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Oh Okay, I see, the U.S has it`s own definition of Freedom of speech. Just like they have their own way of spelling English words and measuring things. What a strange little world you live in."
Thats not what I said, I said that he can say what he wants as long as he says it where he`s allowed (if its on private property) or in a public place. I`m pretty sure the cops were going to escort him off the campus or maybe just out of the building. But then he started yelling and pushing cops, THAT IS A CRIME. And what you said about America measuring things. If you knew poo about history, you would know that the English used the customary/ imperial units of measurement (American in YOUR little world)until the late 90`s. And still use it today- The Units of Measurement Regulations of 1995
Would you rather the guy get shot or tased? Opportunity, Intent, Ability: those three must be completed to warrant LETHAL force; the Taser is considered "Less Lethal" force. And lethal force (guns) are just that: Lethal Force.
Police are trained "Shoot to Kill." It`s too risky to even TRY the "Oh, just shoot his leg and carry him out." Yeah right! Look at the effects of the Taser. That guy walked out unharmed!
"Scalawag, in case you`re too thick to understand, there are ways to remove an offender that don`t involve 1000kV of electricity. "Learn some basics. It is not Volts that do damage, it`s the JOULES. Tasers have less than ONE joule, while pace makers are on average 300 joules. So to the person who knows a 17 year old with a pacemaker, it doesn`t mean anything!!
Trust me. I`ve sat through the official Taser presentation two times, and been Tased.
Even if a person is handcuffed, they can STILL KILL, but from this video alone, I couldn`t tell whether he was handcuffed yet or not. The point is he was verbally warned several times, and he still didn`t comply. So he got what he deserved.
This is not a question of free speech because the guy clearly was being allowed to ask his questions, but more a question of whether the police were right in the action they took physically?
I have never been arrested. I have had a few things happen to me because some dough nut starved pig needed to meet his quota. I have been around long enough to know that if you follow authority blindly you are either crooked yourself or stupid.
I just pray anyone that thinks these actions by these cops was called for never get elected into any type of authority position. I hope some power hungry pig tases you for no good reason. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens to innocent people everyday, you could be next.
He is allowed to scream with a damn megaphone on the sidewalk an inch away from college-owned sidewalk! However, the GODDAMN COLLEGE controls all actions inside the college.
Oh Okay, I see, the U.S has it`s own definition of Freedom of speech. Just like they have their own way of spelling English words and measuring things. What a strange little world you live in.
next to usa, brazil is a paradise of freedom. we do have problems, big problems, freedom however is not one of them.
we can even make public statements of corruption, we can run screaming all the b*lls*it we want about or presidents, teachers, lawyers... thats freedom of speech.
i would say that perhaps we have too much freedom.
however, venezuela is another story....
Freedom of speech is allowed. The recipient of your speech`s response is also allowed. He was a `disturbance`. He can voice his opinion, but he NEEDS to calm the drat down and request to be allowed to speak, and once he is dismissed he mustallow himself to be sat down."
Truly, this is amazing. This poster compares being hit with a skateboard to being asked a question and talked to. I agree. The first case is self-defense. The latter? Not so much.
They accused the man of "trying to incite a riot," as you can see from one of the videos. From the looks of it, he was speaking quickly, loudly, and in an arrogant fashion. But I don`t recall any clause in the First Amendment that says you have
"If the man wants to exercise his free speech, why doesn`t he make his OWN event? I mean damn, barging into John Kerry`s event and hijacking it isn`t the same as free speech. What about Kerry`s free speech?
If you see the whole video, you can see him screaming "They`re going to turn me into the government! They`re going to kill me!" Silly moonbats."
The part we`re interested in is the first paragraph. Allow me to paraphrase this little tidbit of knowledge.
"If the man wants to practice his freedom of speech, let him do it on his own! In the presence of others? Absolutely ridiculous! By giving him free speech around others, they don`t get that same freedom of speech at the exact moment(s) he is speaking!
(Useless statement that assures my point, or, at least, I think... instead, it just makes me look like a hypocritical jerk-off :O"
See what I did there?
The kid is an idiot; a showboat, pompous, arrogant douchebag. But you don`t just beat everyone`s ass for personality flaws. There`d be a lot of seriously injured people in America. I honestly don`t care that they TASERed him, specifically. What I care about is the gross encroachment upon our basic(est) civil rights. If a couple of campus police cops can override the authority of the Constitution of the U.S., our highest governing law, then... where is the U.S. headed? Besides total economic disarray and a huge debt bill, of course. :O
"Freedom or not, if the police ask you something, do it, if you dont do it and they make you move, let them, and co operate, if you dont, they`ll try and arrest/restrain you, if you then start shouting and resisting and acting up, then EXPECT this sort of treatment.
For those of you that, perhaps, didn`t catch the humor in that, let me paraphrase.
"Cops have every right to override the basic principles of the Constitution and it`s Amendments. Obey your government! Go silently!
The paraphrased statement highlights the irony that the first user did not intend.
PEople talk about free speech, but when it coems to allowing others to do so, apparently that`s not allowed.
Think about it, if the same goshdarn thing happened to you, would you do it again, even if there were no police there, now that everyone knows what happened? Would anyone take you seriously?
If you see the whole video, you can see him screaming "They`re going to turn me into the government! They`re going to kill me!" Silly moonbats.
While the police had the right to escort him off the taser pushed it to over reaction.
and if he didnt shut up the first 50 times they asked him to then why would the police expect he would after they pined him to the ground?
Oh and to MuseofSatie yes i did wonder that. lol
Freedom of speech is allowed. The recipient of your speech`s response is also allowed. He was a `disturbance`. He can voice his opinion, but he NEEDS to calm the drat down and request to be allowed to speak, and once he is dismissed he mustallow himself to be sat down.
So, let me guess, when I go to speaches in the EU you guys let retards shout and scream while you give your presentation?
What do you think?...yea, I thought so.
I first saw the clip while I was sitting in a doctor`s office. I had to really restrain myself from yelling out "I`m being repressed" after each time he yelled "Help!"
There`s no place on earth that allows freer speech than the USA, regardless of all her other faults. That`s just a fact.
The police department is the University of Florida Police Department.
I personally believe that the taser was uncalled for. To have six officers on top of someone, restraining them is more than enough, and judging by how the kid was putting his hands up before he was taken down, it looked like he didn`t even want to have a confrontation or put up that much of a fight anyways. At the very least they could have tried to calm the kid down first.
I think that there was no need for the police to take it that far right off though. Give him a warning, and if he doesn`t listen, then go at hi
open mouth. get tazed.
Skull and bones can break my bones but word will never hurt me.
If we all move out of america, we just have more americas. We would be spreading our influence.
Anyways, this is a rare occurence. Ive been to open public Q andA`s with polit candidates, occasionally there is a heckler, but not to the point of tasering. Ridiculous questions are asked, ridic answers given.
This is not representative of America in a whole, if these were daily occurences, with the amount of people with video equip here in this country, the internet would be swamped with vids just as bad as this.When i say swamped i mean hundreds a day just like this.but its not like this.
You say he was sufficiently restrained without handcuffs, because they had him on the ground.
Tell me, how the hell were they supposed to get him into the squad car? Teleportation? Trust his good will and judgement and allow him to walk to the jail?
Once again, for the IQ-challenged: A policeman does not consider you "sufficiently restrained" until you are in handcuffs. If you don`t let them put the handcuffs on you, they`re going to consider that Resisting Arrest and force you to submit, no matter how much noise you make.
I`m not a cop, but I completely sympathize with them in this.
The police shouldn`t have taken him, but when he started freaking out like that he was pretty much saying "Hey, guys, here`s a great reason to take me away! I mean, you didn`t have one in the first place, but I just feel like making things worse for myself, so here you go!"
Having said that, the police could have just asked him to leave, instead of immediately grabbing his arm and trying to pull him away. He looked to me like he had finished speaking anyway.
So, I think that although the guy had a right to be upset about how they were treating him, he should have just accepted it and complained later.
There was an incident a bit like this over here a while ago - they literally dragged an old man outside, without warning, just because he heckled. Then they did the same to another guy who verbally objected.
GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Video of police Tasering a persistent questioner of Sen. John Kerry became an Internet and TV sensation Tuesday, generating fierce debate about free speech and the motives of the college student involved - a known prankster who often posts practical jokes online.
the rest of the story
Do you idiots realize that if it wasn`t a public address, there wouldn`t be a microphone? Or that the kid was tased AFTER he was on the ground surrounded by guards?
Please do research before you open your mouth and prove yourself a retard.
Usa really is mild.
I don`t really give two poos that they tasered him. If you think the police are walking on your rights, you still struggle like that. That is exactly what court is for. He knew it was being video-taped, either he is an idiot, or he wanted alot of attention (or both)
But seriously. It doesn`t matter whos side you are on, I think if there was a riot a lot more would have been accomplished.
Riots are what America is all about.
We have the right to bear arms for this very reason. So the King doesn`t just waltz into our homes and start pushing us around.
If Americans hate the government so much, overturn it. That is EXACTLY what I think America was about when it was founded.
What reason is there to think this depicts a real event? Come on! No shot of Kerry on the Tape? At a convention? You`d think there was at least a bit of Kerry on that tape to convince me!Why should I believe it even Was a Kerry event, and not a Cheney one: the sound of the speech dubbed over to make it sound like some of John`s terrible droning?
Also: if the agents were actually trying to cover up something like "The Skull and Bones" they`d be professionals; with swift grasp and sure stride that young man would have been escorted from that room before you can say "whose-your-daddy".
Nope. No good.This, my friends, is a FAKE!Not that it couldn`t happen, mind...
I noticed that, too. Catbarf didn`t though.
"Don`t tase me bro!"
Oh and just in defense of the policemen and women that actually do a commendable job (they do put their lives on the line and don`t get paid very well for it) I`d just like to point out that these types of ugly incidents shouldn`t reflect on the entire system. We only see the bad videos because of the shock/entertainment value. With all the arrests that happen on a daily basis we rarely see the ones where the police are actually helping society. I guess because it doesn`t make for compelling video....except in O.J.`s case :-P
This kid is another 9/11 truther nut, with a journalism major and a thirst for fame. What a drating pile of poo. Hope the cops beat him hard when they got him back to the station.
`Meyer was arrested on charges of resisting an officer and disturbing the peace`
So maybe he did hog the microphone, and was pushy with his questions. But /no/, that isn`t something you should be arrested or injured for. Seriously, think about it. His original charge was `disturbing the peace`, right? But we ALL have to deal with annoying people, every day. But you can`t just go around hurting them, as much as you may like to. The fact is, this guy, originally, was not posing any harm to Kerry, the police officers, or the audience. He was merely obnoxious. As fun as it would be if we could beat up annoying people, do you think it would be considered alright for us to do that? I understand why some people are saying he deserved it because he`s an idiot, but he didn`t really. And the whole `resisting arrest` issue - it should only be applicable when you`re truly commiting a crime. Otherwise, it`s an excuse to stick you with a false charge.
Police Taser UF Student
And here is an AP press release regarding the incident:
AP Press Release
Very good point, but the tasers are only supposed to be used when they feel threatened with bodily harm. Six or seven cops on one person flailing like a fish out of water on the ground won`t justify the use of the taser.
The system is fu*ked up, man!
"The only person that actually got anything out of the video. I don`t care if he was being an idiot or not the taser wasn`t called for once he hit the ground. I would hope that with all of the cops they had on him they could have handled the situation without the taser."
I agree with both of you. But how do you know he wasnt a danger to the officers. he was flailing around quite a bit. 300 lb officers can still be kicked...it was hard to see everything that was going on.
EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF PROPER POLICE WORK!
Better yet, read what Tymberwulf said. That guy says what I`m thinkin.
This video is Sick.
The only person that actually got anything out of the video. I don`t care if he was being an idiot or not the taser wasn`t called for once he hit the ground. I would hope that with all of the cops they had on him they could have handled the situation without the taser.
In fact, he should have been tasered twice for failing to shut his damn mouth. I`m tired of these damn college students acting like they`re starting some kind of social/intellectual revolution. Once you leave that sheltered campus, you`re going to work 9-5 just like the rest of us. Your not special, and everyone still has 1 vote, including him.
Actually, think about what you`re saying. If, say, a suspected murderer was escorted out of a building, should the cops just let him go because he says that he will walk out? The cops didn`t "just jump on him", they detained him because he was causing trouble. I won`t argue that the tasering in the middle of an aisle was the right action, but the man was disturbing the peace. Sure, free speech, but don`t be an idiot when you have
He couldn`t have really cared less about the question that he asked. He just wanted to cause trouble. He`s just a jerk looking to stir up trouble for people.
p.s. even if it was real, nothing would have happened to him if he would have just done as the officers directed. Even if you are innocent of the crime, you automatically "convict" yourself if you resist. Come on people, it`s common sense.
Also, as someone else pointed out, this is a guy who does things like this to get media/internet attention. He probably even went into this knowing he`d act like an arse; however, he didn`t bargain on being tasered, I bet.
I hate seeing anyone abuse power, but this dumbass deserved what he got, in my opinion. It`s not a matter of free speech or censorship; it`s a matter of this person being unable to act like an adult.
Taser use on an already restrained person is just the police giving out punishment at their own will. Morons.
This is completely wrong--I have no idea why a Canadian would speak with such certainty regarding American laws. As far as I know, every state has some such law. Here`s an example from New Jersey:
N.J. Code of Criminal Justice
As for the manner of arrest, whether or not that was appropriate is a whole different matter, which I believe is being sorted out as we speak.
And for those of you that say there was no need for the taser, I would disagree. He was refusing to follow the officers orders, and was continuing to fight them. The taser was only one of several options officers usually have, a club would have caused not been useful (to crowded), and pepper spray while effective isn`t good in crowded rooms.
I feel no sympathy for this "man", he went in there to cause a problem and then "acted" surprised when he ended up having a problem. The ones I feel sorry for are the officers who had to do a difficult job in a difficult situation and are now being look
All and all this kind of reminds me of the guy getting ummm "escorted" out of a library.
The guy got on the mike, had his say, was told that he had the mike long enough, refused to leave, started shouting and finally got the cops involved.
He had his free speech. Then he lost his composure, hogged the mike, and tried to hi-jack the proceedings.
You can hardly jump on this as an example of how free speech is being quashed in America.