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223 Responses to Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City

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    buddy Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:50 am
    Link: Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City - Guy doesn`t let Circuit City loss prevention search his bags, they blockade his car, and he ends up getting arrested.
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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 2:34 am
    He was totally within his rights, everyone else was just being an asshat.
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    missaquafina Female 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 2:35 am
    I know wal-mart does that poo too. It is redicolous that any shop with cameras and securtiy scanners would make you show the contents of your shopping bags as you walk out the door. And anyway, I think that most shoplifters would have a better place to hide their stolen goods then a clear plastic bag
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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 2:44 am
    They don`t have the right to search you in any way. They may request that they be allowed to search you, demand that you leave or call the cops. They do not have the right to search you and anything they find is inadmissible legally.
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    Rakuru Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 2:49 am
    Wow, seemed he was within his rights. Hope his legal battle goes well.. These ongoing stories are kind of interesting... anyone remember the stolen Sidekick?
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    ledzep360 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 2:55 am
    I love this man. drat the police. He did absolutely nothing wrong and the people (including ones who should know) refused to admit that they made a mistake. The police officer is a typical douchebag. The manager was a moron like most are, and the employee blindly followed the rules. Stand up for yourself and don`t follow blindly.
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    LeoCrolla Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 3:04 am
    Fantastic. Just wondering: Where can you find those laws? I`d love to know the english versions.
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    shapiro Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 3:14 am
    Are you guys kidding? This guy is an arrogant non-nice individual who thinks he`s above the law! They just asked to see his receipt and check his bag to make sure he didn`t take anything he shouldn`t have, and he says no? To prove what point? It only makes it seem like he has stolen something and is trying to hide it. He could have said "ok" and none of this would have happened. On top of that, the cop says "Show me your driver`s license or I will arrest you"..and he says "My name is Michael Righi. I am not willing to provide you with my driver’s license." What is wrong with this guy? Who does he think he is and what is he trying to prove? Serves him right...
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    Fayth Female 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 3:29 am
    I agree with this guy. What happened there really is an infringement upon his civil liberties. You have the right to not tell them a damn thing without a lawyer, and when he insists upon this right, he got arrested. What`s wrong with that picture?
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    stoogeboy13 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 3:33 am
    i always walk past those guys. its ridiculous... they have no legal right to search your bags, whether its a circuit city bag or a backpack, legally a store employee has no right to search anything. if a cop asks to search id be more than willing to comply but i feel he is well within his rights to walk past the employee standing by the door. i give full support to Michael Righi
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    ledzep360 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 3:41 am
    Shapiro you must either a. work at circuit city or b. be a police officer. He clearly shows that he does not think he is above the law because he shows that he did not break any laws.
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    FrcknA Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 3:45 am
    shapiro why don`t you go live in communist China so you can rethink the stupidities you just uttered.
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    shapiro Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 3:50 am
    I just don`t understand what the point is of saying no to something as simple as looking in his bag of 2 items. Why was he so persistent in not letting them check his bag? Does it make him feel like he has some sense of power over a Circuit City employee? I suppose he wants to protect his "privacy" and his "rights" but come on...just let them see the f***ng receipt, its not like they`re searching through your house! Anyone with common sense knows it`s not worth making a big deal over something so meaningless.
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    ledzep360 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:00 am
    It`s the whole point that everyone is blindly doing things that someone says they have to do but they don`t have to at all. It`s all about questioning false authority. It starts with small things, but then it gets bigger and bigger and then soon enough they tell everyone what they can and can`t do and we have no freedom at all. It`s just an example, and a good one like that. Not many people have the balls of this guy. Sure he could have just shown his receipt, but he didn`t have to, so he didn`t. You see what happened, he ended up getting in trouble for something he isn`t supposed to be able to get in trouble for. Police have too much authority already. They also refuse to admit their mistakes. Question authority, don`t be a lemming.
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    DBtG Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:02 am
    This guy is awesome. I don`t know what the laws are for sure, but it doesn`t seem like he broke any (which makes it ridiculous that he was arrested).

    However, when you boil down the situation enough... it`s just a big price to pay for being a smartass.

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    shapiro Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:22 am
    Thanks for your response, it`s a lot better than FrcknA`s. I can see how what you`re saying makes sense, but I still don`t think what this guy did was the best choice. It`s just frustrating to see people get themselves arrested over such trivial things.

    This guy says it perfectly:
    http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/01/pap...

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    Tymberwulf Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:26 am
    Word of warning to all of you. If you ever find yourself on an American military base and police officer (Security Police, Military Police, or Shore Patrol) asks to see inside a bag, purse, backpack, and/or car... do it. By military law they do have to right to search you belongings at any time. Sounds unfair, but the military is a totally different world and we live by different rules. On the other hand I can go to bed at night not having to worry about my house being broke into or even bothering to lock my car doors.
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:29 am
    You miserable son of a bitch! It is your fault that our country is so phucked and the organizations such as the ACLU has so much lobbying power in Washington! I have seen this type of behavior in businesses as well. And I gladly hand over my bag because I know that I am perfectly innocent of any crime and the said employees are doing this to keep the costs down by preventing shoplifting, you ass!

    I have seen bastards like you before trying to manipulate the law to fit their own pointless and insignificant lives and situations. I find it absolutely hysterical – and deserving – that you were arrested by the officer YOU called. If anyone has sent you a dime, they are as moronic as you. I hope this endeavor costs you dearly and you get nowhere. Finally, you are in great need of a thorough ass kicking!

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    TheBuzzer Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:34 am
    This guy is a scammer. look at his links for him to be trustworthy. Based on the other links he have money and is just using donations to get even more money that he shouldn`t deserve.

    His already a millionaire if he owns a business that is making over million of dollars and have a check of 1 million to himself for his bday.

    also his a hacker which already shows his up to no good.

    All his doing is trying to make himself more known to the world and using people who are dumb enough to donate money for lawyers and stuff. He already made a quick 3,000 dollars in a week and prob still getting more donantions.

    There got to be some kind of law to require proof that isnt just verbal sayings.

    I could say I didn`t steal but is that proof?
    I could say my name outloud but is that my real name?


    They should just ban this guy from all places that checks recepts and show him a lession in obstruction of a business.


    Wonder does he ever fly airplaces and not follow the dir

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    Tanzeder Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:36 am
    Yeah toneman, wishing physical harm on someone standing up for their rights definitely makes you the bigger man.
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    ledzep360 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:37 am
    I will have to agree with the guy from Shapiro`s link. The situation was completely unnecessary because Circuit City does have good reasoning for checking bags. All I was saying is that you shouldn`t have to do anything just because someone tells you you have to. He didn`t manipulate the law in any way, he followed it. I just don`t think the law should get so strict as to the point like Brave New World, 1984, Minority Report, V for Vendetta, etc. That is what I believe he was standing for and that is what I took out of it. Toneman, you`re an non-nice individual.
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    ledzep360 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:42 am
    In addition, he is a hacker, not a cracker, which the article clearly states.
    Owning a business makes him a smart man, not some stupid non-nice individual.
    He probably doesn`t need to scam people to make more money.
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    omgwtfbbqhax Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 4:42 am
    read this yesterday, on Digg
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    ranon Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 5:05 am
    Just a question. Doesn`t everybody have to have some form of identification? In the US the simplest and easiest is the drivers license. Otherwise I can say I am Michael Jackson.
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    Tymberwulf Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 5:16 am
    You don`t have to have a form of identification on you. But if asked you must offer proof of identification (social security card, photo id, birth certificate). If the police really want to make an issue of it and you really don`t have something with you they will escort you back to wherever said identification is kept.

    Reminds me of a case where a gang member is asked and he took them back to his house, let them in and they found drugs lying in the open. :P

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    DiceMan Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 6:00 am
    This is a freedom matter. Anyone who doesn`t see this is a good point drives in a people carrier.
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    crichards96 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 7:05 am
    What an idiot why not take the two seconds and have them look he only bought two things. Now he have to pay all the court fees and spend a lot more money than he had too. He is retarded.
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    tgirl149 Female 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 7:13 am
    finally, someone stood up against the law! he had his rights to do that
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    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 7:18 am
    You know what? It only takes 1 second to show your receipt. Then you`re off on your merry way. If anyone thinks "It makes you feel like a criminal" then maybe you are? I`ve never had a problem showing my receipt to any employee at any store. It`s their policy and it`s how they do things. If you deny them, you look more like a criminal and that`s why they follow you.

    Now see, he talks all sweet as if he`s the "nice guy" on this blog; Buy his sister some wii game and such, but instead of just going to where he needed to be and spending time with his sister on her birthday, he would rather start a fuss over a receipt.

    For what could have only taken him 1 second of his time, he turned into a fiasco that will last for days, weeks, or months.

    If I was the father I would have smacked the kid upside the head and said "show him the damn receipt already". Who the hell wants the police involved if you`ve done nothing wrong? Why make it into a huge fuss over not

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    toneman Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 8:01 am
    Tanzeder, I put you in the same category as this jackass! As a military vet and VFW, I can tell you that until you sacrifice a single moment of your personal time for your own freedom, SHUT THE PHUCK UP!
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 8:12 am
    When the hell are you morons going to understand that this has nothing to do with a position of power or authority? This is about deterrence for shoplifting. If potential thieves see this happening, they are a lot less likely to steal. Thus, the prices we pay do not increase. I really suggest you crack a book that has the word ‘business’ in it.
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:02 am
    My personal opinion, although it`s been said, is this guy is a fool. Like someone said, instead of being with his sister on her birthday, he gets locked up in front of her. Well, at least he made the world a better place, right? NO! There is authority in the country for a reason. If his actions in CC seemed a bit odd, then they have a right to protect their product. His actions, when asked about his bag, further adds to the odd behavior. Once you leave a store under the suspision of stealing, they have a right to detain you until law enforcement arrives. When the officer arrives, he is conducting an investigation. It doesn`t matter who called, what matters is what happened. When the guy refused to properly identify himself (just saying his name is not enough), he was in violation of the law. Plain and simple...

    It kills me how everyone thinks they are a victim, when they usually bring it on themselves.

    Could you imagine this country without authority?

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    marchhare123 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:24 am
    I can understand about keeping your civil liberties and can see where the ACLU can come in useful to help prevent big brother tactics. But come on, tying up the court system with this nonsense. And where were the parents in all this, just sitting in the car?
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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:31 am
    Toneman: The problem is that some of the freedoms you sacrificed for were being violated. This article is about how willing people like many of those that posted are willing to give up their civil liberties.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:35 am
    As a former freedom fighter, I support this individual`s right to make a complete and utter fool of himself. There was no point to prove by his actions. Read some posts by some very wise individuals above me with common sense between their ears.

    I will gladly show my receipt to those individuals that actually work for a living, rather than screwing up other people`s lives, including his own family`s.

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    nny156 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:36 am
    cops are pretty damn useless.

    there supposed to uphold our rights yet all they do is abuse them.

    cops pretty much sit around all day yelling at kids skateboarding. do we really need to keep paying these useless non-nice individuals salery?

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    TreasJoirre Female 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:39 am
    I agree with Shapiro. This guy could`ve eliminated all of this drama if he would have just showed what was in the bag. Leads me to believe that he`s leaving something out of this story, perhaps he did steal something.
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    bmachine82 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:51 am
    Those who do not know the law, shouldn`t speak as if they do.When in a parking lot, you are on private property.On private property a police officer can ask to see I.D. and you do have to present it.Now it doesn`t have to be a Driver`s license like this idiot keeps pointing out for no reason.Secondly by entering the store he accepted the terms and agreements the store has set.However the store does not have the right to search him, however the police do,again because he is on private property.Think of it this way, you may not log onto this site w/o them knowing who you are, photo id not required but a password is to show them you are the person who made the account which is good enough for them.By entering this site you also agree not to steal any content, just like entering circuit city.Which is why police are allowed to search you on private property at the request of circuit city.I would not represent this guy, I would definately turn down this case.IDIOT
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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:55 am
    If you let people take your rights away when it suits you they`ll start taking them away when it suits them.

    TreasJoirre: Even if he did steal something, unless he had been seen in the act, there was no cause for probable suspicion and, therefore, all other parties involved acted illegally.

    On another note: I find it interesting how the opinions are split down the age lines. Maybe we`re just stupid kids or maybe y`all have just had more time to internalize false rules. Either way, go read Foucault kids.

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    Spooger Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:55 am
    This just furthers my suspicions that our country is in a choke hold inflicted by big business. If its not an oil company, its a massive chain retail company.
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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:57 am
    Bmach, you`re close. What sort of ID you have to provide in certain situations is dealt with by the state so how that works might be different than where you live. Furthermore the police do NOT have the right to search him simply because he`s on private property because there is no legal agreement made when you enter a store. Maybe stores should start posting legal documents on the front that state entering them is as good as a verbal agreement.
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:10 am
    nny156... let me guess, you own a skateboard
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    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:52 am
    I`ve gotton so use to that crap happening at Wal-Mart that before I leave the store with my new video game or some other item, I just stand right in front of the door, Hold the bag out in front of the sensor, And move my hand towards the woman that works by the quick lane to come and take the receipt, Which I have in my hand because I took it out of the bag soley for that purpose. Sad and cheap in my eyes. It doesn`t help that they act like complete f*ckheads while they do it either, Many times i`ve had to fight back the urge to drop some moron who felt he had some sort of authority because he could search my bags and check a piece of toliet paper with words on it.
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:57 am
    Wraith... let me guess... after you "drop" dat moron, would ya pull out yo 9 and put a cap in his ass? lol
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    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:00 am
    ^ No, I would then classify him into a stereotype by his use of one word, Gtfo my internets plz, Kthnxbye.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:31 am
    It`s a pointless case. If you act like an arsehole while dealing with other members of the society you will get in trouble... especially if you do so in front of an officer of the law.

    The guy from the store wanted to see if he had stolen anything... is it so wrong? Sure there is no law that force you to do so but im pretty sure that if everyone keep acting like that idiot soon there will be one.

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    marysevier Female 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:35 am
    I don`t agree with this man`s tactics. If he disagrees with the store`s policy on searching people`s bags, that is fine. He is not bound to shopping at that store exclusively. He could have bought that product elsewhere and boycotted the store. He is a guest at the store and must adhere to their rules and policies. The store has a right to protect itself from theft. In my opinion he has a better stance against the police officer asking for his id, but his opinions on the circuit city situation is half-baked at best.
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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:39 am
    Another pr*ck impotently raging against the machine. What did this nonsense ACTUALLY achieve? Got him in nick for a day or so, a ton of paperwork for some wooden top, and his sister pi*sed at him for missing her birthday. Three cheers and beers all round. What these tragic idiots dont realise, it that just because you CAN do something, you dont HAVE to do it. There are so many petty rules and regulations and guidelines now that you could make your life a complete misery by opposing every one every day. Granted, there are certainly the odd occasions when `The man` has to be slapped down a bit, and you have to draw the line, but opening your bag to satisfy the curiosity of some minimum wage lacky certainly isn`t one of them. In summary then.........Grow the f*ck up you pest.
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    soupkid Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:41 am
    If there is no one in front of me, I will gladly show my receipt, but I will not wait in line to leave the store after paying while they check other bags. If the employee is busy checking someone elses bags, I walk right past them. There is no law that says you have to show your receipt upon leaving the store.

    As a former department store loss prevention agent, I know that the stores have no legal right to stop you unless they have personnally witnessed you shoplifting. Otherwise, the store and LP agent can be prosecuted for unlawful detainer.

    Membership stores like Costco CAN stop you and require that you show your receipt, but that requirement is in the membership agreement and all they can do is revoke it. You can`t be arrested for not stopping.

    I think this guy went a little too far and put unnecessary stress on himself and his family, but the fact remains that he did nothing illegal and has a case against Circuit City.

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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:49 am
    Here`s how I see it.

    He`s a douchebag. I don`t like guys that "fight the establishment" when they aren`t being affected in the first place or cause trouble just so they can say they caused trouble (and because they know they can`t technically GET in trouble)

    Like those kids who wore shirts with pot leaves on them preaching medical marijuana to school, but then they got mad for being suspended citing the first amendment.

    BUT

    All you people saying it`s his fault all this happened are only half-right. It`s only his fault because he denied the search, if the employees and cop knew his rights like he did, absolutely NONE of that would have happened.

    They really don`t have a right to search him or his belongings without first assuming he stole something. If they had known that it would have been just as a fast of a process as him handing over the receipt.

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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:50 am
    So sure he`s a prick and ruffled hair when it didn`t need to be ruffled. But if the employees had proper training and the cop didn`t have a power complex that day wouldn`t have been any different than it would have been if he had gone along with things.
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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:54 am
    The whole point of this is in America we are very against offensive practices. By asking to check a person`s bag, the store is implying that you are a thief... by asking to check for a valid driver`s license it is implying you need the government`s permission to exist. Both of these are extremely offensive practices and we have laws to prevent them for a REASON.
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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:58 am
    "I agree with Shapiro. This guy could`ve eliminated all of this drama if he would have just showed what was in the bag. Leads me to believe that he`s leaving something out of this story, perhaps he did steal something." Yes he stole your 9th cheesburger of the day, and you will surely wine about how thin that MIGHT make you. The author runs a business worth over half a million dollars and makes regular donations to charity. I`m sure he steals low quality chines DVD players as well, but do not take my word for it, please contact the local authorities with the contact info he has provided and inquire about the items he surely stole... right?
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:58 am
    silly boy
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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:59 am
    SMASH THE SYSTEM!! ........or something.
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    Shillier Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:00 pm
    i`m rootin` for `im. fight the the power and so on..
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    Irish2Ice Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:08 pm
    What a spoiled brat little kid! Get a dam life! There are so many other worthy causes to spend time and money on. I FULLY believe this is a scam! He is scamming on the younger generation that think its their "right" to do what ever they please and to ALWAYS question authority or buck the system. You only got "harassed" because you were a moron and went our of your way to make it look like you were hiding something.

    #1 If he HAD money he wouldn`t be making such a big internet deal of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    #2 He is OBVIOUSLY wanting money out of this!!!!
    #3 If he were objective, he would also allow negative comments on his site.

    #4 THIS ENTIRE STORY HAS ALL THE CLASSIC "SALES" TACTICS OF MEDIA COMMUNICATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:09 pm
    ^^^oooooh, you sceptic.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:09 pm
    They should make the 3 R`s into a law.

    Respect for oneself;
    Respect for others;
    Responsibility for all my actions.

    With that law at the top, we would see a lot less drama in our world.

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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:14 pm
    This bloke IS the 3 R`s.

    Really, Rather, Retarded.

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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:16 pm
    ^^ agreed, Groogle...
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    shazam1974 Female 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:31 pm
    Oh for crying out loud... say you own a business. And your finding your inventory is mysteriously depleting...week after week your merchandise is disappearing... receipts dont add up to inventory...
    You KNOW people are stealing from you. Are you going to just sit back and let it HAPPEN? No.

    Grow up people...

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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:41 pm
    Here`s how I would have handled the situation:

    Employee: "May I see your receipt?"
    Me: "Sure."
    Employee: "Okay, everything looks good here. Have a nice day sir."
    Me: "Thanks. You too."

    Then again, I`m not a total f`ing prick.

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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 12:52 pm
    ^^ i think that sums it up nicely. well put.
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    ijourneyman Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 1:04 pm
    This whole incident has much more to do with the guy`s perception of himself than the law or civil rights. He`s got this romantic notion that by asserting himself here he joins the ranks of such Randian heroes and freedom fighters as Howard Roark and Rosa Parks, a select group of the enlightened fighting tooth and nail for their civil liberties while the rest of the public are passive sheep willingly surrendering their freedom.

    Okay sure, but this isn`t oppression or segregation, this is a man railing against the utterly trivial. He`s a child playing at revolutionary while the old timers look on, shake their heads and think `The Holocaust, now there was something worth getting riled up about`

    As far as I`m concerned, the whole bag inspection thing is just the flipside of the Jaywalking coin. Sure it`s technically illegal, but it`s trivial and nobody really cares. Likewise inspection isn`t enforcable by law but who cares?

    Let`s have some perspective when we pick our battles.

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    Kikyo Female 18-29
    36 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:06 pm
    It doesn`t matter if he owns a million dollar business and makes donations to charity or not, if it is the stores policy to check receipts and bags upon exiting the store then he needs to wait until the person working checks his bag and receipt instead of saying "No thanks" and just walking out.
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    DiceMan Male 18-29
    80 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:10 pm
    The +20 age group here that absolutely entirely seems to love the social controle they have to endure, I just don`t understand it. You will always do what you are told. You will always behave, always follow the rules, and yes you will die believing in a god that doesn`t exist while you didn`t have one second of fun. The black hole you try to avoid is in fact your life. This guy lost 300 dollars that day but I think he won alot more than that.
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    DiceMan Male 18-29
    80 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:12 pm
    Oh man and I didn`t even read kikyo her shizzle. Jeezes girl you have been BRAINWASHED. Go buy your volvo, screw your boyfriend missionary style, blow your boss and go to church every sunday. Life is more than that.
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:16 pm
    Good post journeyman, and I`m glad to see more posts against this guy. Makes me think there`s hope after all. I know there`s a lot of people thinking "But it`s the principal of thing!" Principal? What about common sense and common courtesy? I thank my lucky stars I don`t have a job dealing with the general public anymore. And the reason why is because of people like this guy and the people who support him.
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    drlimes7 Male 18-29
    2 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:17 pm
    He was in his rights, but that doesnt mean he wasnt being a jerk. Exactly what was he trying to accomplish? The only result of this is that it will make it easier for shoplifters to get away. Because of ridiculous lawsuits against retail companies already, the employees leagally cannot confront a person that grabs something off the shelf right in front of them and walks out the door. Stop trying to be a victim. There are too many actual victims in this world that have problems!
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    monktoast Male 18-29
    263 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:35 pm
    its quite simple, the transaction is made at teh register, cash for product. once transaciton is over, the items are property of individual, not circvuit city, and there is alw protecting unlawful search and sezuire.

    the law states the a company CANNOT force peopel to surrender their property, except to law enforcement with probable cause, and companies cnanot even stop you unelss they have eye witness to verify youy stole soemthing or a camera.

    what ahpepend here is a corrupt, unknowing iofficer who should imemdialtey be arrested and fire, made a bad call, circuit city should pay damages to the dude, the employee who stopped him from elavign should be brought up on kidnappign charges and life go on as before.

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    monktoast Male 18-29
    263 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:38 pm
    and as to searchign bags stoppign shop lifters, this is the bogegst piece of crock i have ever heard.

    searching bags IS NOT TO CHECK FOR SHOOP LIFTERS, it is to " verify that the cashiers did not make a mistake on the receipt"

    this is the ONYL reasont o check bags.

    which is lame as well since 99% dont even look at the items.

    it is not your duty to stop and elt these tards look at YOUR stuff to protect THEIR assests, if they are concerned, they will check it BEFORE the transaciton is made, then they have every right in the world to do so.

    i will not surrender my time for this process.

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    monktoast Male 18-29
    263 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:44 pm
    to those jackasses who do shoe their receipts and thinkt hey are holeir then thou because " they dotn want to cause a fuss", stand in olien at costco for 15 MINUTES just to leave the store whiel they "check" YOUR crap.

    and to those saying that this kid is a whiner, or a jackass or whatever, HE WAS FALSELY ARRESTED you are takliogn the side of a system that FALSELUY imprisoned a guy? the law is CLEAR, he has every right to not show his receipt whether you liek it or not and you DEFEND the cop and circuit city?

    you are FACIST PIGS, not worthy to even live in the states if that is where you live.


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    anime-craze Male 18-29
    107 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 1:50 pm
    the point of the people stationed at the exits is so they can make sure if your shoplifting or if the cashier just forgot to demagnatize those metal strips.
    he could have been in his rights but when he refused to let the bag checker look at his items he made himself look suspicious. if you were suspicious of someone stealing your belongings would you just sit back and let them take your posesions, probably not.
    also he could be arrested for being in contempt of law for when the police arrived and asked for his identification and he refused to show it.
    the police man could have seen this action as the man could have something more dangerous about him than just a shoplifting charge.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
    263 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 2:18 pm
    no, refusing to be searched is not a cause or suspicion sorry. that woudl guive every retailer the right to stop anyoen and everyoen they sao choose.

    it is agaisnt the law what circuit city did.

    it isnt agaisnt the law not to show id unless you are driving a motor vehicle. he was not.

    all you have to do is say your name, borthdate and address. you do not need an id to exsist in this world, this wa sstated by the supreme court.

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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
    352 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 2:58 pm
    MONKTOAST:`companies cnanot even unelssyouy stole` `should imemdialtey be` `soemthinwhat ahpepend` g `stopped him from elavign kidnappign charges` `searchign bags` `the bogegst piece of crock` `TO CHECK FOR that woudl guive every retailer the right to it is agaisnt the law` `stop anyoen and everyoen they sao choose"SHOOP LIFTERSthis is the ONYL reasont o check bags"thinkt hey are holeir then thou` `you are takliogn the side` `borthdate and addressid` `to exsist in this world`
    Am i really going to listen to the views of such a dimwitted pratt, who cannot even spell the most basic of words? Go get an education you maggot before you start spouting your ill informed, tired rhetoric(look it up thicky).

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    morbobilo Male 18-29
    5 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 3:15 pm
    I used to frequent this site for a while, but just now signed up as a member because of the responses I`ve been seeing.

    I can`t believe the stupidity that has been overwhelming Americans recently. You people are blaming this guy for being unlawfully arrested! It`s as though you were blaming someone for being arrested by the cops because he wouldn`t allow them into his home without probable cause.

    The LAW, this is the law of the United States of America you ignorant apes, that unless there is probable cause, they DO NOT have the right to search HIS property. Do you understand? Is that clear enough for you?

    They had NO PROBABLE CAUSE, and therefore NO RIGHT to check his property. So they arrested him, and stupid drats like you say he was being an idiot.

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    morbobilo Male 18-29
    5 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 3:19 pm
    He stood up for the rights he was entitled to, that have been worked for for centuries, and as arrested for it!
    And you children are willing to piss it away so you won`t "cause a fuss". You are what is wrong with America, you are why Bush and company are able to do what they please. With the completely childish ideology of "I didn`t do anything wrong, I don`t have anything to be scared of."

    I should calm down though, I shouldn`t be surprised. You`re probably the same people that encouraged the Iraq War to remove a dictator the US established. Willing to pay with your blood, and the blood of your family and friends to correct a problem our gov`t helped create.

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    bekkismith Female 18-29
    43 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 3:42 pm
    I think he`s just whiny. And, it`s fabulous to know that while someone somewhere was having a heart attack or involved in a serious accident, a 911 dispatcher was tied up with a whiny guy calling the cops because of such a trivial situation.
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    morbobilo Male 18-29
    5 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 3:52 pm
    Bekki, calling 911 may not have been warranted, but being arrested for braking no laws isn`t trivial. You can`t see passed the point that he didn`t want to show his things, and ignore that very important fact. False imprisonment and wrongful arrest. Let`s get it a little more clear.
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    AmyNicoleduh Female 18-29
    1158 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 3:55 pm
    Wow, that is totally wrong.
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    lmaonaise Male 13-17
    773 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:02 pm
    he stood up for his rights, are we just becoming a world where we sacrifice everything we stand for? NO.
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    WDanC Male 18-29
    410 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:18 pm
    I can`t believe any of you would shame his decision to stand up for his rights. Our rights are continuously being infringed upon in this country and without the ability to stand up for what`s right and just, we`d all be sheep, constantly cowaring to the "higher" power of our government and consumerist leaders. We are here on the premise to be free, and such laws are placed in lieu of that!
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    Radic393 Male 18-29
    136 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:20 pm
    Not everyone is willing to put up the fight for their rights, and for those of you wondering why he did what he did he very clearly states that its not something he regrets. This article is informative - even inspiring; its far from a plea for help. This is a man who needs no sympathy.

    Though many may be satisfied causally laying down their rights on a day to day basis, they have no merit to look down on this individual for standing up for his. A live lived like this, as free is possible without a head down in shame of it, is not something everyone can claim capable of.

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    Irish2Ice Male 30-39
    19 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:30 pm
    Causing such emotional responses to "rights" and "law" is why this is a SCAM!!!!!!!!!

    ALL those who agree with this guy and think you`re standing up for your "rights" are totally correct........I have a few other suggestions?

    1. Let`s just make stealing legal. That way honest people can pay for all the chit we can`t afford!!

    2. Probable cause should include breathalizers for people driving down the road. A swerve is not probable cause, I was just smoking my crack pipe! I mean come on.

    Is probable cause acting like you stole something? Walk past security into a waiting car? hmmmm Not suspicious at ALL

    3. I think we should all completely ignore the police, dont do what they say, dont cooperate, and always look for ways to sue and get them fired. Take all their authority and treat them like the crap they are.
    -----We did this to teachers didn`t we. That got us the ignorant youth of today....wait....how old is this guy?

    4. Was CC lookin

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    egar01n Male 13-17
    3 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:34 pm
    While i understand his point, Im in agreement with Shapiro et al on this.
    I think although he may well be concerned about a Brave New World/1984 sort of scenario as one poster remarked, I sincerely doubt that a)That will happen and b)telling poor minimum wage Santuro where he can shove the one thing he`s been asked to do to hold a job at Circuit City will prevent the Thought Police from coming a-knocking.
    However, I strongly think that this is not nearly a big enough issue to be fought on a "rights" level. I think rejecting a routine bag search of 2 non-embarassing items in a Circuit City was not nearly a big a thing as he thinks it was and obviously achieved nothing. I highly doubt Circuit City and the police force are reeling. Also, upsetting his siblings and delaying needlessly like that on his sisters birthday also comes off slightly selfish to me.
    Thanks.
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    digitalmaste Male 13-17
    126 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:39 pm
    This guy really is stupid. The whole problem with the Circuit City I can somewhat understand his point, but it`s still much simpler just to let them search the bag. It may be a violation of the law (I`m not sure what the law is in Canada) but its not worth the time to refuse them and then waste even more time "defending your rights" its not a big deal, its not like small things like this have any effect anyways. And don`t start saying "if they do this, then theyll start doing worse things" because if it was a bigger scenario then I would be all for standing up for rights but it isnt.

    As for the whole cop issue, he was just being stupid. The cop probably just wanted his Driver`s License to verify his information. His logic that "he is under no obligation to give it to him" is irrelevant because there is no proof at all that the information he is giving the cop is correct in any way. And what did his "defense" of his rights get him anyway? The C

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    Irish2Ice Male 30-39
    19 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:39 pm
    4. So you think Circuit City looking for his mechandise or theirs? .....nevermind, Circuit City doesn`t have rights. They should NEVER try to protect their merchandise and security people should all be telepathic to know if someone stole stuff.


    I honestly can`t believe people are behind this ignorant CHILD. What did he do right besides being a whiney child who thinks disobeying authority figures is his "RIGHT".

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    someone? Male 13-17
    1371 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 4:48 pm
    anyone else think this guy is just a big drama queen and making a big deal about nothing?
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    Radic393 Male 18-29
    136 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 5:02 pm
    What some of you fail to see is that the big deal was caused by those who wanted to violate his rights. They made an attempt, it didn’t work, and yet still they didn’t back off. It backfired on them. This adamantium man will not be crushed. When two ridged forces collide, the just one will overcome; at least I sure am hoping so.
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    morbobilo Male 18-29
    5 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 5:05 pm
    You stupid rejects don`t understand the drating point. His rights were infringed after the bag incident. He was falsely imprisoned and wrongfully arrested. How drating clear does it have to be for you? Get your receipts checked, we don`t give a poo, but don`t act like infringing on rights is ok.
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    TheGrag Male 13-17
    1497 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 5:09 pm
    WTF...this dude doesnt have to show them anything, come on, if Circit City was smart enough, they would have large scanners near the entrances/exits of the store to check if they paid for the items... that dude, the manager, and the officer were being complete ass holes in this situtation and had no right to arrest him,why the hell do you need to show your lisense anyway? your not driving in a car!! wtf is up with this!
  93. Profile photo of digitalmaste
    digitalmaste Male 13-17
    126 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 5:18 pm
    I`m not arguing whether the person is in his rights or not. Even if he didn`t do anything wrong, he is just fighting against the system for a retarded reason just to feel special that the law cant touch him. There are actual REAL victims out there unlike this douchebag who simply wants to cause problems for the simple reason that he CAN. He is a lot like the ass-hole cops who cause problems for citizens just because they can. The most this will accomplish is make it easier for shoplifters to do so...
  94. Profile photo of xboxman
    xboxman Male 13-17
    381 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 5:32 pm
    If the circut city people suspected him of stealing, they should have the right to check. How would you like it if you think someone stole something from your store, yet you cant check it because hes being a smartass. Its not like the manager asked to look in his car or anything, just in his Circut City bag. This whole thing would have taken 5 seconds max and yet this guy was a jerk about it.
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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 6:30 pm
    And Rosa Parks should`ve moved to the back of the bus when they told her to. After all, it`s just a bus seat, no need to be a smartass and cause trouble, right? Yay for Big Brother! :-D
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    jenice Female 18-29
    98 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 6:30 pm
    The thing is, the Circuit City guy never once (according to the report we`ve read) accused him of stealing...he just wanted to "check his reciept".
    I know I am sick to death of waiting 15 minutes in line at Walmart just to pay their ridiculous prices for the crap they sell (small town, no other places to shop, unfortunately) and having the employee at the door standing their watching me pay for my stuff, and then asking me to show my reciept. My response? No.
    I mean, unless the detector at the door beeps, they have no right to question the items in your bag.
    I know at the Wholesale store they ask to see your reciept, but it`s not for loss prevention. The employees get paid bonuses if they discover an error made by the cashier. One lady I met said she had a customer who`d been charged for 170 of one particular product, instead of 17. He hadn`t noticed when he`d paid, but she literally saved him a lot of money. And she got a really nice bonus.
    But yeah, the so-call
  97. Profile photo of jenice
    jenice Female 18-29
    98 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 6:31 pm
    the so-called system sucks.
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    Sigma_7 Male 18-29
    34 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 6:57 pm
    xboxman:

    If you read the article, the manager at the store stated that he wasn`t accusing the customer of stealing. When combined with the fact that the manager refused to call police, there is absolutely no legal grounds to falsely imprison a person.

    Seriously, if you want to post inane comments, at least read the article.

    Other sites that discussed this issue simply show the absurdity of such policies. In some cases, the backlog to reach the door check agent was 30-minutes long, and/or the door check agent is within clear line-of-sight of the cashier(s). Unless the door check agent suspects shoplifting (i.e. an employee tracked hiding an item in a jacket, tracked the customer through observation, and discovered the item was unpaid when it left the premesis), there is absolutly no point in such checks.

    Stores that have the cashiers right at the door don`t need the checkers anyway. Neither do stores that have clear line of sight between the door and cashiers.

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    Snoogans Male 30-39
    869 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:00 pm
    Regardless of who is right and who is wrong in this situation there are certain "rules" that are in place in order for society to work. These rules aren`t in place for the average,nice, common sense individual, they are there for the douche that needs to be told how to act because they have no clue, moral or otherwise. If people cannot deal with this then maybe living out in the jungle, crapping on the ground is the life for you. You absolutely have every right to stand up for yourself if you feel that you are being wronged. But to create a situation when it`s not really needed is going a bit too far. Kinda like comparing Rosa Parks to being asked to show a receipt. Stop being offended that some guy making $5 bucks an hours is asking for proof of purchase, there are more important things in life to get upset about.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
    756 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:07 pm
    COMMON SENSE! Where the hell did it go?

    The Facts:

    1. The guy had every right to refuse.
    2. The CC Guy was just trying to do his job.
    3. The guy elected to not use common sense.
    4. His younger sister was the true victim.

    Common sense does not allow comparing the Rosa Parks racial hate issue to this.

    Common sense, people!

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    BFLH Male 18-29
    55 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:11 pm
    The whole philosophy of "I`ve got nothing to hide, why should I worry?" is a very dangerous path to take. This man was 100% within his rights to refuse a search. He was ALSO within his rights to refuse to furnish ID to the police, as the law does not require you to do so.

    I do not have to prove I am not a criminal when I leave a store. End of story. I tell them to either let me go or call the cops. Those are the only two choices available. No one is searching my bags or person. Once I pay for the merchandise, I OWN IT. A store like Circuit City is private property, and cannot make or alter laws to suit themselves. Store receipt checkers have NO law enforcement powers and cannot search or arrest you.

    I realize most of the posters here are children, but it is vitally important that you all understand your civil rights as they are guaranteed in the Bill of Rights and Constitution. If you don`t exercise them, you lose them.

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    DAC06 Male 13-17
    182 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:13 pm
    wow lol what a fag...stop bein a bi*tch and let the store check ur bag.
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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:13 pm
    Snoogans: If you believe in the unquestioning obedience of rules, perhaps North Korea is the place for you. BTW, what "rule" was this guy breaking, anyways? I don`t believe the law mandates people to be subject to searches when they leave a store.
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    DAC06 Male 13-17
    182 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:14 pm
    then he presses charges against the store manager. way to be a dick retard. "oh yea i have full rights to do that." so what in the end ur just being an assh*le
  105. Profile photo of newbie4sale
    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:24 pm
    Yeah, I agree this guy`s just being an assh*le. But sometimes society needs assh*les like him to stand up for the rest of us who are too busy to make a fuss.
  106. Profile photo of Snoogans
    Snoogans Male 30-39
    869 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:29 pm
    newbie4sale....who said anything about obedience? If you are in a store, it`s private property. If they feel that they want to check your receipt what`s the big deal? Stop believing that everyone is out to get you and move on with your day. It`s also not a crime to ask to see a receipt. Something this trivial is a waste of time,resources and money that should be used for real crimes against people.
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    cindyjeston Female 40-49
    6 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:29 pm
    I guess Im in the minority here that I feel the store has a `right` to check his bags. Shop lifting is a big thing and for someone to say no when asked for a reciept, that raises even more flags. All the greeter wants to do is just verify that you made your purchases. Enough about the indivudal rights (God knows...ACLU keeps inventing them daily...now you have a right to walk out of a store and ignore an employee when they want you to show proof you bought what you bougt?)...What about the stores rights? Doesn`t the store have a right to check and make sure you arent ripping them off? Sure there are security cameras and such, but you cant keep an eye on everyone, all the time. So having a greeter is extra security. I know car dealerships that leave keys in the cars, does that mean I have a `right` to hop in & drive off without showing anyone proof? Its not that we don`t have enough rights,its that we have too many extremely right 2 be a stupid dumbass thanks to the ACLU.
  108. Profile photo of Snoogans
    Snoogans Male 30-39
    869 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:32 pm
    newbie....you shouldn`t need an assh*le to stand up for you. You should be able to stand up for yourself.
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    heartinacage Male 13-17
    18 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:49 pm
    By law, he`s doing nothing wrong.
    But looking for every possible way to not do what people tell you to do is a little outlandish, no?
    In summary...he`s doing nothing illegal.
    But he`s kinda a dick.
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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:52 pm
    Snoogans....I agree it`s also not a crime to ask to see a receipt, but it also shouldn`t be a crime to refuse. I like having the right to refuse. It`s kinda cool.
  111. Profile photo of VONLINE
    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:54 pm
    To morbobilo, diceman, monktoast, and every other moron who doesn`t quite get it, let me dumb it down for you. And this goes to any person who supports this guy. I present you with a simple challenge.

    This guy walked out of a store with a bag full of merchandise and no receipt. He is a shoplifter.

    Prove me wrong.

    And I repeat, he DID NOT HAVE A RECEIPT. He couldn`t produce one for the employee or the police officer.

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    monktoast Male 18-29
    263 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 7:58 pm
    dont EVER wish the troops good will, because every time you give away your constitutional rights liek you do, or ask others to, you spti int heir face. they fight and die for freedom, whiel you hand it over gift wrapped liek abunch of foooking retards.

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    monktoast Male 18-29
    263 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:00 pm
    nooen has a right to stop you, for ANY reason except copps. establishments, as i said ebfiore have PLENTY of options if THEY TRUYL THOUGHT you were stealing.

    you cant just walk out a store if they beklieve that, they have a right to sdetain you AND CLAL THE COPS

    they DO NOT have a right to stop you and try and force you to show a receipt, thats called vigilantiasm,t akign the law into their own hands.

    that is the concept we are dealign with morons.

    the fact is cc didnt clal the cops, but the jackass employee felt fit to block them anyways, detainign them on THEIR terms.

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    thunderwolf3 Female 13-17
    181 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:20 pm
    Link isn`t working anymore.. :-/
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:21 pm
    Monktoast,
    you say he made the transaction. Prove it.
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    BuzzBeerUSA Male 18-29
    4 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:33 pm
    This guy is a prick. Everyone knows the policy of Circuit City, and you always help a cop when you can. He should be arrested just for wasting the cop`s time. He should have showed them the reciepts. He`s looking for a payday from Circuit City and the city`s police department. He should be forced to pay for that cop`s time, and be banned from any retail establishment. Circuit city is just trying to protect it`s investments so it can do business in this nowhere town.
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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:34 pm
    Vonline...why does a customer have to "prove" that he didn`t steal anything? If I accuse someone of stealing, then *I* am the one who is saddled with the burden of proof.
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    cambriaseyes Female 18-29
    338 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:39 pm
    I don`t think people should be giving him money, because he should have known by the time that the security guard chased him out into the parking lot that not complying would cost him some money. However that being said, I do agree with the point he`s trying to prove, they really have no right to search everyone who leaves the store.
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    DMDekoth Male 70 & Over
    888 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:39 pm
    What a jerk, everyone is trying to do their jobs and he goes on to make everyone`s life harder. Now he`s on a rampage to get attention and money, acting as if he`s standing up for something that`s right.

    I cannot stand people who do this, call the police, waste their time on something so damned trivial when they could be doing something much more meaningful.

    FYI, Those employees would get fired if they didn`t ask for a receipt as is the store`s policy, and that manager would get his ass handed to him if he didn`t try to take action to prevent theft.
    The guy plain out acted like a thief and was so surprised that they treated him as such.

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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 8:42 pm
    Buzzbeer....Our constitution trumps the policies of Curcuit City, I believe.
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    Twistednashi Female 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 8:46 pm
    XD Interesting
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    Prep_Rocks Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 8:50 pm
    If the guy never learned to drive and didnt have a drivers license he should have a citezen ID which is for proof of identity. And i think they have every right to search the bag to make sure your not stealing.
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    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 8:53 pm
    Monktoast.....spoken like a true illiterate. Learn to spell before calling someone a moron.
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    anime-craze Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 8:59 pm
    ok now that i have actually read the article my reply that i posted earlier doesn`t seem quite right. as long as the scanners or what ever they are don`t go off then they shouldn`t be able to do that kind of search, it is different if you go to a plice like sam`s but for circuit city thats just wrong.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
    263 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 9:02 pm
    basically this has gone to court more tiems then u can count, why oes our constitution hodl up EVERY time? why is the law enevr chaneg to allow these corporations to search anyoent hey wish?

    because peoepl smarter than you morons relize the importance of preserving freedom even in its most basic foudnational form.

    im glad we have smart legal system (for the most part) and not idito sliek vonline in charge.

    already our freedoms are beign taken away ebcause of morons liek vonline, who cant grasp simple concepts and is why corporatiosn have had such an easy time creatign laws that are in direct violation of our constitutional tenents.

    so i thank you vonlien,. for beign a coprorate tool and ignorant bastard, thanks for destroying the fabric of america.

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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:18 pm
    I have to give it to you, monktoast...It`s like someone who can`t run right but won`t quit the marathon.
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    Warfighter43 Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:25 pm
    Just show them the receipts you little poo.

    *Runs out of the store*

    Joe: Sorry sir, we need to check your bag for a few seconds please.

    Michael Righi: I`m a freedom fighter! I will not show my receipt to evil mega corporations like Circuit city.

    *Goes in the car, but Joe keeps the door open*

    Joe: We just need to check the bag,it won`t take long.

    Michael Righi:I am no criminal, I am just defending my rights as a citizen of America! I will call the police!

    *The police comes and arrest the idiot*

    Michael Righi: At this point I was placed in handcuffs, patted down, had my wallet removed from my back pocket and was placed in the back of Officer Arroyo’s police car. My three siblings sat in the car crying like pussies. I wish my little brother and sisters didn’t have to watch this, but I knew exactly what I was doing and was very careful with my words."

    Yeah right, and you bought them CARS for the Wii... I don`t think you really do care about them.


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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:47 pm
    So newbie4sale,
    based on your logic, I can go into a circuit city with a empty circuit city bag in my pocket, fill it with merchandise, then walk out without paying. And if anybody asked for a receipt or accuses me of shoplifting, I can say my rights are being violated and sue them. Awesome!

    Monktoast, you still haven`t proven that he had a receipt or that a transaction ever took place. I`ve almost come to the conclusion that you`re not for real. I starting to believe this story isn`t even real either.

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    DMDekoth Male 70 & Over
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    September 6, 2007 at 9:47 pm
    monktoast, would you mind keeping your profanity and flames to yourself?
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:03 pm
    If any other idiots want to try and prove this guy isn`t a shoplifter, I`ll check back in the morning.
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    spongamabob Female 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:06 pm
    Always press your clothes because you never know when you’ll be unlawfully arrested.

    haha. ok. will do.

    i hope he wins his case.

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    stoogeboy13 Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:13 pm
    whether or not he handled the situation correctly, the employee at circuit city has no legal right to search the bag. plain and simple. thats it. if you want to let them search you, thats your choice. what the manager of the store did by refusing to let them leave is, in fact, illegal.
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    zeus_zen Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:30 pm
    This guy is a Joke - what about the shop owners rights to protect his store from theft.

    I am sure if this guy owned this store & had such a high theft rate he would do the same.

    He completely wasted the shop owners & Police time. Next time someone getting robbed or bashed and you wondering where the police are- just ring up this complete tosser & ask for his help.

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    phinphan Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 10:58 pm
    I dont know where to begin. A lot of insults come to mind against the majority of posters. first off he says he called the cops,911. That cop was allready in rought for a shoplifter. The cop shows up and gets his story full of his rights etc. and the guy sounds like a prick so I am sure he was piling it on.He asks for Identification and the prick repeats his name with more babble about rights I am sure.Cop says show me id or go to jail prick says jail,cop cuffs him and stuffs him and finds out he stold nothing,yet he gave every impression he did.Cop calls seargent and says prick wasted our time searge says arrest him we will come up with a charge. Cop wont show up at trial prick has wasted a couple days for messing with cop. Everybody hates cops because when you see them you are usually doing something wrong however If you need their help they are guardians.
    The same people on here that cry its against our rights to show id are the same ones to raise wholly hell if the cops let a gu
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    Neagle Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:00 pm
    Circuit City, is piss poor company to work for and to deal with; look them up. He may have been within his rights but, the jokes is on him. His case will be dropped and he will be left paying his attorney with little chance of recovery or recourse against the arresting officer. Good luck!
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 11:02 pm
    guy go who raped and killed six people because when they asked his name he said he was somebody else,and
    when they asked for id he said it was against his rights,damn they almost had him.
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    XRathsallagh Male 13-17
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:03 pm
    this guy is just a prick how hard is it to let them have a look.
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 11:14 pm
    second from his own story he is searched allot.
    That tells me he does things to make himself a target. If you make yourself look guilty then you cant cry I am an american and you violated my rights. I am rarely searched but when I am I show the receipt they glance at the bags and say have a nice day.They are looking for scumbags who brought a bag in and dont have a receipt for the things they have stolen.
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    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:26 pm
    VONLINE....I`m starting to think this story isn`t real as well. I`ve been to various Circuit City`s and never have I even seen someone at the door checking receipts and bags. It reminds me of that spam email you always get from some guy representing a bank in Nigeria claiming you are going to inherit $10 million bucks from some next of kin. I wonder how many of these posters on here that are so outraged by this "alleged" incident are going to donate money? Didn`t think so :-)

    Also, there is a good reason why stores have started to ask to see a receipt and look into your bag....because there are enough douchebags that have shoplifted to ruin it for the rest of us. The world is not coming to an end and your rights are not being violated because a store asks for proof of purchase. The store even has the right to refuse service to you. If you don`t like the way they do business you have every right to shop elsewhere. That would be the proper way to show your dissatisfaction.

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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2007 at 11:37 pm
    As I read the different sides go back and forth, something occured to me. We only have one side to the story. Did Circuit City have "just cause" to detain him. That "just cause", BTW, is what Ohio requires a business to have to detain someone for further investigation. If I remember right, he made two transactions at two different registers. That could be a red flag. Him being unwilling to allow the employee to see hsi reciept, another flag, and the car waiting outside the door for him, another flag.

    I tried to find the Ohio law that covers the identification of a "suspect" when doing an investigation. I quickly realized that I as spending too much time (even though it was only a few minutes) looking in to this. So, I`ll pass on the law in my state. If an officer, while conducting an investigation, request identification, you must provide it. That doesn`t mean you tell the officer your name, that means you prove who you are. If you don`t, you can go to

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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 11:38 pm
    And finely for ALL OF THE PRO POSTERS. This guy is an IDIOT and look at his following. His rights were not infringed upon, He is a coward who wants to fight the system and this was his war,Proving his rights against store personel ,who where doing there job and an officer who would not hurt him.If you want to find out what it is like without police go to iraq.
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 11:43 pm
    And no i am not a cop never was never will be but when they catch me doing something wrong I dont blame them for doing their job.Hell its their job.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 11:52 pm
    Listen retards if you want to have someone search you fine, show them anything you want. Maybe they will ask for your I.D., home address, reciept, credit card info or hold a cup out for you to piss is so they can check your DNA. Regardless it`s a request. If some salesman asks me to do anything after I`ve made a legal purchase I take it as a request, not an order because I don`t allow people like that to have authority over me. If a police officer wants to see my I.D., great, I`ll show it, cause he is a police officer and our society has agreed to give this person, as an agent of the the state, broad power over detaining and questioning citizens. Now don`t whine about how broad, they are broad powers compared to non police person. However the guy at the store has no authority over me other then to say "leave and never come back your banned from the store". That`s it. The store can ban me all they want, they can call the cops and say they suspect me of theft (hope they
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 6, 2007 at 11:55 pm
    have poof). But they have no legal authority to hold me against my will or threaten me. Ban me from teh store, call the cops, but either way any attempt to impede me leaving the store is illegal. They can call it a citizens arrest and drag me to the ground and wait till the cops come, then I can push for them to be arrested once it`s proven I have not stolen anything. This also includes civil lawsuits. To all you people complaining about this guy, yea he`s probably a prick on an ego trip, but remember that he is well within his rights to not obey salespeople when they want to search your person. I`d rather have pricks like this reminding people of their rights then have a society that follows whatever orders corporate lackeys dish out.
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:07 am
    Yes your right except this guy was such a prick he got arrested. He did it to himself.......And he deserved it...................If you are part of society you agree to our rules period. Rules are made by society for a reason to protect ignorant people from harming themselves or others. And right now our number one dipstick says you have to have id or you are a illegal alien or a terrorist.
    I would rather show id and a receipt than be branded a thief or worse yet and i am surprised they could not charge him as a terroristic threat by refusing to identify himself.Theres a fight. I am tired of hearing about people being charged as terrorist for fighting with their friends and family. We have taken it to far when a kid is listed as a terrorist and the plane wont let him on board.
    If he fought this fight I would be on his side, but that would take balls , and that right is not as important as the one to be asked for a receipt as you leave the store.
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:13 am
    COWARD
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:21 am
    hey bored it was not sales people who stopped him it was the manager and the anti theft staff by his own statement. He did something to make them suspect him
    then cried wolf.
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:22 am
    I hope the DA uses his letter against him if it goes to trial
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    Omagablade Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:27 am
    wow...

    im speechless...

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    xp Male 30-39
    522 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:38 am
    The only people who broke the law in this situation were 1. The Police officer and 2. The store employee. Now why are you all whining about what the customer did? He did nothing illegal and called the police when he was illegally detained. WTF is the problem? The store employee wanted to search his PRIVATE PROPERTY without a warrant and without being an agent of the state. It is none of his business. Okay so the customer might be an assh*le, but being an assh*le is not illegal. If it was, all you people that think he should have just rolled over for the store employee would be in jail.

    The Police officer should be charged with false arrest and the Store employee should be charged with kidnapping. End of story.

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    WOWIAMBORED6 Male 13-17
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    September 7, 2007 at 12:38 am
    i think it sucks that he got arrested but wow how can you make such a big deal out of something so stupid....my god hes spending a fortune for what? he needs to get over it
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:47 am
    phinphan,

    No he did not do anything to make them suspect him OTHER then not consent to recipe check. If he had done something suspicious BEFORE he bought the items, they store could have 1) declined him service 2) called the cops 3) seen him steal something and detained him as he left the store, etc... the only thing he did was say "no thank you" to a request to show a piece of paper. Saying no to that does not equal suspicion of a crime under the law.

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    nickl59876 Male 18-29
    8 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:57 am
    To everyone who is critical of Michael`s actions, on his site or on this forum; you all are using an extremely narrow and superficial scope of reasoning. There are bigger issues at work here than a man who is somehow "causing unnecessary trouble". This issue opens up a can of worms; if Michael loses this means that the court of law (which is representative of the United States) has determined that big businesses such as Circuit City have the right of Illegal Search and Seizure and the ability to conduct a Citizens Arrest (the employee blocking him in/the cop`s apathy at this).

    If he loses his case, this means that the U.S government has recognized corporations as capable of having the rights of an individual; a dangerous, slippery slope. This case is the symptom of a much larger debate; and folks, we will get out answer sooner than later.

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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 12:59 am
    Board first he did do something to get their attention and second they cant do anything untill he leaves the store with it.It is not stealing it untill you carry it off the premises.
    the guy is a jerk why are you defending him ?
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    cindyjeston Female 40-49
    6 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 1:01 am
    Lol...I love it when people who have no idea about how the law and constitution works...they are always the first people to yell "thats my constitutional right!"

    ""the law states that after a transation of monies, the transaction is over and goods are thus belonging to the consumer.""

    Sure, you have a right if something belongs to you. The store just wants to make sure everything belongs to you and there isn`t something that still belongs to them.

    Anyone who has been in a store knows how to get around those door alarms as well.

    And Don`t sound like a moron going off on others, insulting and name calling towards others, and using the military as some sort of justification is childish beyond words....and pathetic too.

    If you read the replies on here, lots of people are saying that he has his rights and so on and so on. All the ACLU has done in the past is give people more `rights` and taken away the freedoms that everyone else has enjoyed.

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    cindyjeston Female 40-49
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    September 7, 2007 at 1:03 am
    I mean seriously, now if you can`t even get stopped leaving a store and don`t have to prove you bought what is in the bag, pretty soon, you won`t even have to get a bag....just walk in, grab what you want and be on your way out the exit door. Who cares about paying! Paying for things you didn`t make and can`t afford? Thanks to the ACLU, you very well might have a right to take things that don`t even belong to you...after all, how dare they charge for things you need?
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 1:04 am
    and nick or michael or whoever you want to be, Those are majority laws he has broken. The majority of the people say yes let us look in your bag And YES you have to show ID. Therefore he has lost.
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    phinphan Male 30-39
    139 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 1:14 am
    For the nerds THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW
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    Larian Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2007 at 2:26 am
    I don`t know if it`s already been said, but what this man did was an act of patriotism. Those who claim his actions were pointless should remember the actions of persons such as Rosa Parks. She could easily have chosen to not rock the boat, too.

    Only the officer had the right to conduct any kind of search. What the CC employees technically did was kidnap this man and his family. (Unlawfully prevent someone from leaving the premesis against their will and wishes.)

    Finally, I am amazed by the number of people here on this site who do not appear to know or even understand their rights as American citizens.

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    Larian Male 30-39
    18 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 2:34 am
    phinphan --- What?!? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Negative, sir. A culture is defined by how it treats its least citizens. By your logic, it is perfectly admissible and permissible to allow a conscious person on life support to die because it`s sucking down too much electricity and blowing fuses, thereby rendering everyone else in the hospital from using the downstairs candy machine. America was founded on the notion that the individual is more important than the masses.
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    larajunky Female 40-49
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    September 7, 2007 at 3:11 am
    yadda yadda yadda
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    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
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    September 7, 2007 at 4:35 am
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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
    1497 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 5:28 am
    Costco does this poo too. Which is why I despise going there. Also, as I was walking out of Best Buy two slacker Best Buy employees, they had been visiting amongst themselves for hours while doing nothing, asked to see my receipt, not my bag the receipt, I bunched it up and threw it to them. I was in a hurry and already annoyed that I had to wait in line for over 15 minutes. Nothing became of it, except I had no receipt. I collect receipts in case one day I have to submit them for tax evasion, I mean, insurance issues.
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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
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    September 7, 2007 at 5:32 am
    Oh and non-nice individual or not, this guy was right on. Police are ignorant. Which is sad, but that`s why it is up to us to know our rights.
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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:28 am
    I`m amazed at the logic (or lack thereof) of some posters on here. I`ll try to keep it simple:

    1. Stealing or shoplifting is a crime. Being an arsehole is *not* a crime.

    2. Circuit City neither
    (a) caught him in the act of shoplifting
    (b) nor have direct evidence (videotape,
    eyewitness,alarm...) of his shoplifting

    3. Refusing a search, which he is legally allowed to do, makes him an arsehole, not a criminal.

    4. Since he did not commit a crime, he shouldn`t have been arrested.

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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
    102 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:50 am
    Besides, do any of you really want some chubby middle-aged creep to search through some of your more "personal" purchases? I trust the police, but I *don`t* trust every $5/hour worker hired off the street last week.
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 8:45 am
    It is absolutely true that after a transaction is made, those items belong to the customer. You can`t argue that. But what everyone is failing to see here is that there is NO PROOF A TRANSACTION WAS EVER MADE!!! Everyone is just assuming he actually purchased the items, but what proof is there? His word? The whole point of a receipt is that it is a PROOF OF PURCHASE!

    No receipt = no proof of purchase = no transaction = shoplifter

    Think people. Think real hard.

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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 8:46 am
    This guy is an idiot, he won`t win. The officer needed something to prove he was someone, thats what the liscence was for. Even if he did `win` it wouldn`t be worth the time and effort to do so.
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    bigfatpig Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2007 at 9:27 am
    Monktoast, you cannot spell even the simplest of words, and when you do try, all that comes out is incomprehensible cr*p. Shut the hell up you stupid thick ignorant waste of time.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    September 7, 2007 at 9:57 am
    Monktoast, before you post, proofread what you have typed, and then make corrections. I honestly tried to type incorrectly and couldn`t come close to screwing it up as well as you do.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
    756 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 10:01 am
    Has it occurred to anyone here that you have only heard one side of the story? That`s why we have the judicial system that we do... so both sides can be heard, and then a decision made based on the laws of the land and the facts delivered in court.

    There`s always more to the story than just one person`s blog.

    Chill.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 10:23 am
    Vonline your an idiot and here is why,

    Your assumption that lack of a recepit = shoplifting means that if you go into a store that sells clothes, the store could ask for the receipt of the CLOTHES YOU ARE WEARING when you leave otherwise you must be a shoplifter..imagine that. How about this, you go into a store with your mp3 player..and they ask for a receipt when you leave.. after all you could be trying to steal the mp3 player!

    See the problem kid? The store has to see you STEAL the item for them to make any kind of citizen`s arrest or for them to call the cops.

    You have every right after you buy your item to ask the cashier to throw the receipt away for you, to burn it up before you leave or to just no show it!

    Lack of a receipt does NOT equal a crime. Refusal to blindly obey a salesperson does NOT equal a crime! If you attempt to restrain someone who is leaving your store by force or verbal threat that IS a crime.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2007 at 10:30 am
    Vonline,

    And yes you can go into a store, grab an item, try to walk out without payinng and say no to the reciept check.. however the store can 1) call the cops, 2) record your license plate if you drive, 3) Perform a citizens arrest but the store better be damn sure you did steal it or otherwise they are open to civial and criminal charges.

    If the store decides that checking reciepts will cut down on theft GREAT, they can ask all they want to see my receipt, but it is just that a request, not an order enforceable by any kind of law. They can ban me from the store if they like, refuse me service if I come back for not following their policies, fine. But detaining me is illegal.

    I do not to give up my rights just to help the store avoid theft, I am not responsible for their theft problems. Hire more security, hire more people to wander the floors looking for thefts, get more cameras, whatever. It`s not my job, I am the customer not the employee of the store.

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    egar01n Male 13-17
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    September 7, 2007 at 1:07 pm
    Surely your solution of "hiring more security" to patrol the aisles without being able to check a receipt will take us nearer to a 1984 type society rather than further away.
    Which one poster stated the receipt refusal was attempting to prevent anyway.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 1:18 pm
    No egaro1n folks who waive their rights to corporations will lead us to a more 1984 type society, where we accept whatever is told to us by anyone who we even perceive has authority over us... you have no obligation to do what a sales person says legally, that is the point. If you want to comply fine, but do not tell me or others that we have to obey
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2007 at 1:31 pm
    I guess I should have clarified that my little formula was in reference to this specific incident in order to show that there is no proof a transaction happened and that the items were actually HIS property. Of course you don`t need a receipt for everything on you when you`re in a store. Don`t be silly. That`s why clothing stores go the extra mile with things like ink tags and such. And if I go into a place that sells MP3 players, I don`t take my MP3 player inside out of common courtesy. You see, I don`t act in a suspicous manner. Same reason why I show them my receipt when they ask. Because it`s less of a hassle than having them accuse me of shoplifting. I`m not a headache to everyone else. I realize that I`m surrounded by people like me who are just trying to do a good job and get through the day. I hold open doors for people, I say thank you, and show receipts, not so I can say I`m better than you, but because it`s common courtesy and more people should show some.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2007 at 2:04 pm
    Vonline and that is all well and good but you CHOOSE to go along with store policy. This guy did not. The problem is not that the store called the police (they could have), or that they asked to see his recipe (they can ask for anything they like), but that they followed him out of the store and briefly blocked his leaving. And frankly common courtesy should never be more important then our rights as citizens. If some ahole on the street tries to stop me to fill out a petition I say no and walk on, they can ask all they like, but if they try to threaten or restrain me or detain me in any way that is illegal. It does not matter if it`s a homeless crack head, a petitioner on the corner or a BB employee. I have every right to ignore then and walk on. End of story.
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    FloridaSnow Male 18-29
    416 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 2:22 pm
    ITS A TRAP!!!
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 2:30 pm
    What you say is all well and good also and I`m all for rights of the citizens, but he`s still a shoplifter in my eyes (no one has proven otherwise.) He gets no sympathy from me and I hope his case gets thrown out of court.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 2:48 pm
    Well of course he`s a shoplifter, in this country people are guilty until proven innocent right? You moron. Feel free to think he`s a shoplifter, the devil or whatever else you come up with. I really like (no one has proven otherwise) remark kid... basically your saying no one has proven that he is NOT shoplifter. Wonderful world to live in. You exercise your rights as a citizen and walk through a door with goods you purchased = you must be guilty of something. Luckily for the rest of us the laws in this country operate that you are innocent until proven guilty kid. But have fun assuming people are guilty because the minimum wage floor people at best buy say so.

    p.s. also if you read the article you will notice that the officer found that the goods he had matched his receipt perfectly.. he was not a shoplifter, but nice try kid.

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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 3:10 pm
    So he wasn`t a shoplifter, but the cop had to search him to discover this, right? Well I think they certainly had probable cause. I mean the guy emphatically refused to show them a receipt and hopped into a waiting car on the sidewalk. That`s not probable cause? But because the employee and cop were only trying to do what they thought was right, what their gut told them to do, this guy is justified in sueing them, justified in ruining this cop`s reputation and possible livelihood? Tell me that old man.

    Is there a such thing as reverse-entrapment?

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    Razzed Female 18-29
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    September 7, 2007 at 3:29 pm
    On 9/7/2007 3:10:10 PM VONLINE wrote: So he wasn`t a shoplifter, but the cop had to search him to discover this, right? Well I think they certainly had probable cause. I mean the guy emphatically refused to show them a receipt and hopped into a waiting car on the sidewalk. That`s not probable cause? But because the employee and cop were only trying to do what they thought was right, what their gut told them to do, this guy is justified in sueing them, justified in ruining this cop`s reputation and possible livelihood? Tell me that old man. Is there a such thing as reverse-entrapment?

    What are you talking about?

    Circuit City NEVER thought he was shoplifting, they outright told him so when he asked about it, after the manager detained him.

    The ONLY problem was that he didn`t show his receipt, and as has been stated many times in this thread, refusal to show the receipt is NOT illegal nor is it proof of any illegal activity.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2007 at 3:30 pm
    Vonline,

    No in fact leaving a store after you buy something and getting in a car is NOT probably cause. You have to SEE HIM STEAL THE ITEM, not assume that because he does not show you his receipt he HAS stolen something. The issue is not of wether the BB checker or the cop though he was odd, they can think that all they like.. but there must be probably cause. Leaving a store without showing a receipt is NOT probable cause. The Best Buy and cop can do what they think is right, but they had better be damn sure it`s also legal.

    Try this:

    I find my wallet missing after you bump into me so I tackle you and sit on you till a cop shows us...and find out you did not have my wallet it was in my other pocket, do you not think that you have a case against me? If this guy was detained against his will for not following a store policy then yes he should be able to sue, store policy is NOT a law.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 3:31 pm
    If a corporation wants to keep half your salary as a donation from you, just let them. It saves a hassle and you don`t need to have a big issue with them.

    /sarcasm

    It might start small, but if we give corporations and the police the ability to enforce laws that don`t exist we`re going to be in either a fascist or corporately-owned society in short order.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 3:51 pm
    Thank you Razzed,

    And Vonline no there is not something like Reverse Entrapment, stop making up legal terms kid. Entrapment is used when you argue that the police persuades you to perform an illegal activity then arrest you for it. I.E. police tell a man who is obviously in need of cash that they will give him $100 dollars to punch a stranger.. then arrest him for punching a stranger. That is entrapment. This guy tried to leave a store with LEGALLY purchased items. He asked if they were accusing him of shoplifting..they did not call the police, they simply harrassed him because they, like you obviously, are completely unaware of citizen`s rights when it comes to leaving a store after making a purchase. Namely the right to ignore any requests for I.D., reciepts, DNA sampling and hugs and kisses that may be made by store employees watching the door.

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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 4:01 pm
    If you thought I stole your wallet after bumping into you, I`d do everything I could to prove to you that I didn`t. That`s common sense. This guy did absolutely nothing to clear up this "misunderstanding." He perpertuated the situation, to the point where I BELIEVE the cop had probable cause to search.

    And I`m cautious to take this guy`s side of the story as gold. I honestly don`t believe THE MANAGER of this store detained this guy because he wouldn`t abide to their request. I`m sorry, they thought he was shoplifting.

    And I wasn`t saying there was a such thing as reverse-entrapment. I was only trying to point out that the guy egged the whole situation on.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 5:04 pm
    Listen kid he does not HAVE to hand over any kind of proof that he is not a thief. He paid for his stuff, and left. They COULD have checked with the cashier, or looked at video of the store or copied his license. And if they thought he was shoplifting they would have had to SEE HIM PUT A STOLEN ITEM ON HIS PERSON AND WALK OUT WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. They did not, they simply assumed because he did not show a receipt that he was stealing something. A lack of a receipt is not probably cause, get that through your thick skull. It doesn`t matter if you lost your receipt, decide not to give it or ate it as an act of faith, after you buy something it`s yours and you do not need to provide proof unless you are arrested. Did he egg on these guys? Yes he did, but that does not make him wrong, it does make what they did legal, it just makes him a prick. A prick who was right about his legal obligations, or lack of, towards busy bodies who want to see a piece of paper when you leave a store.
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
    159 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 5:41 pm
    but if he had been acting strange, and the employees had "reasonable cause" to believe he may have stolen something, they can detain him for further investigation. that is from OH law... "KID"
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
    756 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:05 pm
    The guy is a complete jerk, plain and simple.
    He didn`t use common sense, plain and simple.

    He is however, completely within his rights,


    Plain and Simple

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:17 pm
    BubbaLuvSpon,

    no kid there was no probable cause. As has been mentioned many times, after you purchase an item, it is yours. There is no need to "prove" it to anyone. The burden of proof of theft relies on the accuser, ie we saw you take the item, put it in your coat and walk out..we are holding you for a cop <---- this is probable cause.

    Show us your receipt. No. <--- not probable cause. They did not see him commit a crime, rather they assumed he did because he refused to comply with their voluntary request for a receipt check. Saying no to a bag check does NOT infer guilt or probable cause kid and be thankfull it doesn`t. Imagine if every cop could stop people for any reason and ask to search them.. they need probable cause and a no answer to a receipt check is not it.

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    September 7, 2007 at 6:20 pm
    there is nothing more beutiful than rock to a cops face
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:33 pm
    Kenny_f,

    shut the hell up. Kids like you with you internet toughness crap make me sick. Cops are not perfect but they do dangerous jobs for little pay and put themselves on the line when things go wrong. Dont come in here and pretend you would do anything other then say yes sir, no sir to any cop who was talking to you. They are not perfect but they are a hell of a lot more useful in this world then your dumb ass.

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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:34 pm
    Iamnotbored,
    Anyone who has ever worked in retail knows that writing down license plate numbers is totally pointless and a waste of time. I won`t explain why unless you want me to. The ONLY effective way to stop suspected shoplifters is to stop them in their tracks.

    But at least I got you to admit the guy is a prick. Which is true, the guy`s a real a-hole. An a-hole who is now trying to screw a couple of, probably, good, honest and decent people. And to make himself look good and get everyone on his side, he`s gonna do it all in the name of civil rights. And people like you just eat it up.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:40 pm
    Oh for gods sake vonline, your missing the point. It doesn`t matter if he went in with an agenda or not kid, jesus your dense. I said I think he was a prick, but he was aware of his rights. That is the whole point you thickwitted twit. The point of this is that regardless of reasoning they were not within the law to detain him for simply not showing a receipt. It is a good thing to be reminded in this day and age that corporations can ask but not legally force you to give up your rights. Maybe you never had any problem in your life that required you knowing anything about your rights as a citizen, but others have. Frankly your assumption that anyone who stands up for their rights and doesn`t go along with the group is an idiot saddens and reminds me how kids are so spoiled these days. If you want to go along and allow corporations to search you when you leave a store and assume you are a criminal fine. Some of us do not care for it.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:41 pm
    Also I don`t get a rats ass how many people he inconvenienced. The fact that you would even think of giving up your rights just to speed up a shopping experience is sick. If you choose not to fight for your rights at least do not even attempt to presume about the motives of people who DO fight for their rights no matter how big or small.
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
    578 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 6:58 pm
    Spoiled? You don`t know jack about me pal. Let me guess, you walked 15 miles to school, barefoot, in the snow. To compare this guy to someone like Rosa Parks is a disgrace. Like I said, you just keep eating it up. Eat it up.
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    beeyooteeful Female 18-29
    546 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 7:12 pm
    That guy was gay.

    What`s he trying to prove?

    Psh.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 8:12 pm
    vonline you obviously did not get enough schooling kid.

    Perhaps you can point out where I ever mentioned Rosa Parks? Oh you can`t? That`s because I never compared this guy to her, or even mentioned her name. You apparently can`t read very well and also enjoy just making up lies as you go along in your pathetic arguments.

    I don`t know how you got through any kind of basic education with such limited understanding of how to frame a debate. Regardless I`m done with this, when you start lying about what I`ve said and start bringing up Rosa Parks when I`m discussing basic rights of all citizens when it comes to corporations requesting searches.. well it means you`ve lost kid. You cannot contest BB went outside the law in detaining this guy. You can`t argue that lack of a receipt does not equal probable cause for a theft. You do not argue that when asked if he was being accused of theft they told him he was not.

    No all you can do is lie and bring up Rosa Parks you spoiled pric

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    Musika Male 18-29
    10 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 8:14 pm
    A lot of people here have great ideas for why this guy SHOULD be arrested. However, he was completely within his rights. The store had no proof that he might have stolen something. While yes, this is private property, it still is an encroachment upon civil liberties. Also, the police were also outside of their bounds. He wasn`t driving the car, therefore he didn`t have to carry a driver`s license. Demanding his "papers" is something that he should be able to decline without fear of punishment.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 8:27 pm
    Musika,

    Exactly. I`m not saying that inherintly it doesn`t make sense to suspect someone when they won`t show a receipt or I.D... of course we think it is odd! However odd behavior does NOT mean you are guilty of something.

    Apparently people like Vonline if you fight for any kind of rights it has to be flashy and big (thus his Rosa Parks comparison). Unfortunately this guy was white and just didn`t want to show a receipt.. so he`s an attention whore! So glad we have people like Vonline who are able to determine when it is COOL to fight for your civil rights and when it`s DUMB and annoying to do it. Stupid kids who watch too many movies and think the the only time you fight for your rights is when your a minority fighting the government over such issues as racism or gender equality, cause that`s what kids like him see on T.V. They forget that you can fight for your rights even when leaving a department store. I guess it doesn`t make a good movie so it`s lame.

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
    1825 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 9:14 pm
    iamnotbored, go fu*k yourself. dont give me your rehtoric about how there good people, because all they do is make everyone believe there word is law or your treason. and dont consider me as a stereotype of a fake tough internet kid, when you are the worst steroetype, the non-nice individual you says everyone is stupid that disagerees with him.
    ps: being a cop is one of the best jobs you can do without going to college, and you are way too old to start petty fights on the internet
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 9:48 pm
    Kenny_F,

    Really grow up kid. If you really post something as stupid as the best thing in your life is fantasizing about hitting a cop in the face with a brick.. I mean you are so pathetic. If you had even a 4th graders education you would have read that I stated that not all cops are good people, but that overall they provide a highly valuable and necessary service in our society. As oppossed to you kid. You post online about your wet dream of assaulting a cop (apparently any cop) and smashing their face with a brick. You are a internet tough guy kid, your also apparently someone with sick violent fantasies about cops when they do something you don`t do, provide a useful service to society. Your a waste of time kid, go back to watching your gang bang videos and jerk off to your violent fantasies kid, but your a waste of space and always will be internet tough guy.

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    Qpax Male 18-29
    188 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 9:55 pm
    I love the way some people are saying things like `he deserved it for being so arrogant` and `he`s obsessed with political correctness`.

    Since when has someone being arrogant meant that it`s okay for miscarriages of justice to be carried out - you can`t just arrest someone for doing something you find annoying. And it`s not politically correct rubbish to refuse to let random people search you when they have no right.

    It`s the kind of people who say stuff like that who would be happy to bring in arbitrary arrests to `make the world safer`. Ludicrous.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 9:56 pm
    Kenny_F,

    oh and I`m sorry that I hurt your feelings kid. Hopefully you will learn that I`m not one of your teenybopper friends who smiles and nods vacantly as you say attacking cops for no reason is a good idea. I live in the real world kid not in mom and dads basement. I have a job, a family and engage in adult interactions with law enforcement. You will find kid when you grow up that such sentiments as attacking cops because it gets you hot and bothered is NOT considered a positive thing and marks you as immature trailer trash kid. Just a heads up as approach adulthood.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 10:00 pm
    Qpax,

    Exactly. I think many of these people are underage children who are so used to blindly obeying authority figures and having their way and instant gratification, that the idea of someone actually NOT following an order is incomprehensible. And god forbid if someone causes a fuss when leaving a store and inconveniencing, the other customers!!! I mean oh god they may have to wait a few more minutes in a receipt check line!!! OMG!!! WTF??? Spoiled kids who can`t think about the fact that adults actually concern themselves with the rights they are due, not just about getting back to mommy and daddy`s house to homework.

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    microcent Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2007 at 11:41 pm
    Ok, this is by far the most retarded thing I have ever seen. It`s because of belligerent individuals like this that makes me ashamed to be an American. What kind of an Ass says `No Thanks` and walks off when the LP guys ask to see his receipt? And now he is taking them to court? In my opinion yes, he should win. Take the amount he makes in an hour, multiply it by the number of hours he was held by the LP guy, and that is what he gets.

    Asking to see a receipt of purchase is no difference than an officer asking to see your license, registration, OR proof of insurance - One would assume you have it, but how else will you know for sure? It`s the officer`s job to make sure the law is obeyed. That is exactly what he was doing.

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    WOWIAMBORED6 Male 13-17
    2 posts
    September 7, 2007 at 11:58 pm
    WTF ok you have to understand that some stores check you bags such as Sams club and you know i would think that you were trying to hide something if you were refusing to show me your bag and the cop wanted to see his liscense to make sure that he wasn`t lieing about his identification. Thats like me walking into the bank saying my name, refusing to give a form of identification, and then not understanding why the heck they won`t let me take money out. Like are you serious if you think hes right and you say crap like oh hes helping with our rights. WTF is wrong with you if you really have a problem with our rights then dont do something so stupid to make your point and if you really think that your rights aren`t good enough go to a different country and see their rights compared to ours. so just shut up about it
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    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
    159 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 12:17 am
    Iamnotbored... and how do you know that the store did not have "reasonable cause" to detain him? Because the schmuck didn`t include that in his blog?

    I`m done with this. For people to get SO worked up because some FOOL throws a blog on the internet making certain claims. Who knows what really happened. I do know that it doesn`t warrant this type of response. The fact that this is being compared, luckily only by the fools on this board, to Rosa Parks is beyond me. "Kids", this isn`t even in the same ballpark.

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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 12:55 am
    I can`t stand people who pretend to be fighting for their rights when all they`re doing is getting off on some sort of power trip (oh and costing taxpayers a lot of money with frivolous law suites and unnecessary trials).
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    Jai_Hind Male 18-29
    6 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 1:04 am
    is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the majority of the people who making this guy into a martyr have......

    A.) just joined recently

    B.) a post count lower than 30

    C.) a universal tone

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    damoo Male 18-29
    292 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 1:42 am
    wow why not just show them your receit.
    make you dad bail you out with 300 bucks and now you got a court date. was it worth it?
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    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
    319 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 4:15 am
    This all happened on private property (yes, stores and mall parking lots are owned privately) so I don`t see how the guy should demand anything.

    HE is making a choice to enter the premises.

    HE is making the choice to turn down a request to check the contents on his person.

    HE is making the choice to complicate matters to suit himself.

    How is the store NOT in a position to demand a receipt or anything like that? Last time I checked, people don`t kidnap others and force them to shop at Circuit City.

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    Musika Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2007 at 8:48 am
    Jai Hind a lot of people that agree with what they guy did aren`t making him out to be a martyr. Yeah, I think the guy was within his rights. However that`s it.

    Cash; regardless of something being privately owned does not give them the right to search you. We live in America and we also have a protection again illegal searches. They had no reasonable cause to search him.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 10:25 am
    For the last few posters let`s get a few basic things straight:

    Just because you are on private property you DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS. Going into a private buisness that is open to the public does not mean they can demand to search you after you have completed a legal transaction. Sams and Costco have you sign MEMBERSHIPS BEFORE you shop there so you agree to those terms in a legally binding contract. Short of signing such a contract prior to shopping in the store, a store has no right so earch you. And again for you whiners who say "it`s no big deal just let them search you" that is not the point. The point is that they legally have no right to detain you if you say NO! So get it through your thick heads that the resonableness of the request (check your id, check your receipt, get a DNA sample) has no bearing on how right they are to detain you if you say no. Since many of you can`t seem to read let me say this again, the store CAN ASK ANYTHING OF YOU when you lea

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 10:27 am
    The store could ask to see your receipt, sexual favors, for hugs and kisses, you have the RIGHT to say no and walk out. A customer is not obliged to help the store in theft prevention in any way. You are not being compensated to do it, it`s not a obligation you have, you paid your money you are free to leave without being hastled by ANYONE, regardless of wether or not they work at the store at all. Get that through your heads guys. You can choose to show your receipt, give id, give DNA and your social security number, but that is your choice. When BB tried to detain this guy for his lawfull refusal to show his receipt they broke the law. If you can argue this fine do it, otherwise just shut the hell up
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 10:31 am
    And one last thing for the idiots who say shop somewhere else.. that is perfectly fine, it`s an option, HOWEVER having other options does not give the store the right to DETAIN ANYONE. The store could BAN the guy for not following their policy (this is legal), they could call the cops (again legal), if they SAW HIM STEAL AND LEAVE THE STORE they could detain him via citizens arrest (legal, but dangerous, if your wrong you open yourself up to civil and criminal charges). The store has MANY OPTIONS for theft prevention, and yes they can ASK FOR RECEIPTS, but you can say NO legally. Then they could explain that the person is banned, etc etc and he can shop somewhere else. The store has options, but citizens have RIGHTS. Corporate policy does NOT trump citizen`s rights you bunch of sheep.
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    KitsumiMaru Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2007 at 11:03 am
    He who gives up freedom for security neither gets nor deserves either.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 8, 2007 at 11:10 am
    Here is the scariest and dumbest quote of all by MICROCENT

    "Asking to see a receipt of purchase is no difference than an officer asking to see your license, registration, OR proof of insurance"

    Microcent apparently equates a minimum wage Best Buy receipt checker with zero legal/criminal law training to a police officer. Simply amazing. The stupidity of that line of thinking is shocking.

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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2007 at 11:58 am
    KitsumiMaru,

    Well said. I`m always surprised how many US posters here prefer expendiency in shopping over their loss of civil rights. It seems you folks in Europe are much more away of how citizen`s rights work and the value of them.

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    KitsumiMaru Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2007 at 3:12 pm
    Thanks Iamnotbored2, but interestingly enough it was Benjamin Franklin who said something to that effect, I do think that europeans in general are more aware of our rights, possibly due to the many differing legal systems in place in our neighbouring countries, and I would also like to state that in my own opinion, laws and rules are there to protect the citizenry, not to control them, many people do not notice their rights being taken away when it happens in stages, little things like ID cards, CCTV, DNA databases, fingerprinting of children in schools and tightened immigration can be used as positive forces, but they can equally be used in negative ways.

    It is up to the individual to evaluate the rightness or wrongness of his society, and to take positive action in creating a better future for his/her children.

    I wholeheartedly support this guy for standing up for his liberties as a free man.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2007 at 4:10 pm
    Iamnotbored, you have made quite a few very good points. I think an interesting experiment would be to actually have a reason not to show your bag (like, say, keeping pornography in it), and then refusing. In that case, it would be rather clear-cut, wouldn`t you say?
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
    93 posts
    September 10, 2007 at 11:34 pm
    Such a reason is incidental when it comes to the law. While not being able to show your receipt because you lost/ate/burned it or that you wish to keep your goods secret/unseen by other people/because the voices say so, the law does not say you HAVE to show it to anyone after you buy it. Beyond that it`s for an officer of the law or a citizen to have probable cause to detain you, but as said before, no receipt or secrecy is NOT probable cause.
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    Iamnotbored2 Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2007 at 12:16 pm
    http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/20/s...

    Cleared of all charges.

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