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IF YOU DONT LOIKE IT GET UR EURPEAN ASS UP AND FIGHT US WE INVENTED NUKES AND WE INVENT NEWWAYS TO USE THEM ALL THE TIME!
IMHO, patriotism has a tendency to make you blindly accept what your country does. A democracy thrives well when people are intelligent and critical of the ruling body. While it is not my intention to generalize, that Bush got the majority vote shows that the majority of the American people are not intelligent.
Yes, I am well aware of the fact that not everyone voted for Bush. And yes, many Americans are hypocrites. As davymid said, the only country which has actually used WMD is the USA.
For your information we are a constitutional republic.
Yes, its one of those "HOLY SH*T!" moments.
They were riding in an M1114 Up Armored HMMWV, and they muffle sound as it is, plus the road ate up alot of that too...
I`m guessing a 155mm howitzer round.
God Bless America and all those that live in it. Were soldiers and do the things we do so people like all you haters dont have to do them. And we volunteer for it.
Here (posted 1 page ago by PFCofMarines, a US Marine tank crewman with a brother in Iraq), is what a true military man said about you:
"you piece of disgusting civilian trash."
I rest my case. I`m guessing you`re nearer the 13 end of the 13-17 age spectrum. Either that, or have some kind of special needs/learning difficulty. Either way, I will stop responding from here on to your inane comments, as it`s a bit like kicking a puppy.
Good day sir.
davymid said: "1. "You don`t support the troops, therefore you`re a BAD MAN". I`m British, our guys are dying too. Of course I support our troops and want them to come home safe, and soon."
redflare said: "1) That`s why the UK isn`t a world power anymore."
Do YOU see a logical response? *I* don`t see a logical response!!
redflare, your argument FAILS MISERABLY. Please stop posting about this subject, you`re embarassing yourself.
HONESTLY, DO ANY OF YOU PRICKS THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN MILITARY MEN (GENERALS) ???
1. "You don`t support the troops, therefore you`re a BAD MAN". I`m British, our guys are dying too. Of course I support our troops and want them to come home safe, and soon.2. "Saddam was a BAD MAN, we had to take him out". Yeah, so is Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Kim Jong-Il of North Korea etc etc etc. Why don`t we take them out while we`re at it? We didn`t go there to take Saddam out because he was a BAD MAN3. "You`re not American, it`s none of your business so STFU!". I refer you to point 1.4. "Don`t judge all Americans because of our President, he`s an idiot". I`m not judging all Americans at all, I`m shooting down anyone who supports Bush`s reasons for justifying the Iraq invasion, including his abuse of using the horrible events of 9/11 to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, which many people seem to have bough
See, 23scadu, this is where I lose your train of thought. Please can someone explain to me (I must`ve missed something in the news) the connection between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq?
Last time I checked, Iraqis weren`t killing Americans until we invaded their country to uproot the WMDs which they were hiding. I just need you to help me make the link between 9/11 and the Iraq invasion. You`ve obviously solved it, but I thought the "Perp" was a certain O. B. Ladin, (still at large, somewhere in Pakistan/Afghanistan), about 1500 miles away.
As soon as someone explains to me why 9/11 is justification for invading Iraq, I promise I`ll shut up.
ttsec, first of all, I never said I didn`t like the US. I said we`re on equal playing fields as the rest of the world. How dare you question my patriotism to the US and how dare you insult me by calling for my voting revocation. I`m probably just as patriotic as you, and I am VERY proud to be an American. I just happen to be a global-thinker and a realist.
I was about to point out how many many more people are being murdered now every week in Iraq than under Saddam, and quote some figures, etc etc.
But PFCofMarines just put the smackdown on you much better than I could ever hope to. God bless you guys, good luck and come home safe.
ttsec, u clearly dont understand the concept of DEMOCRACY. numbnuts
And they have lost a few abrams. Just never a case where an abrams AND a crewman were lost at the same time. It`s a damn good vehicle, but it ain`t invincible.
Pulling out will result in deaths rising back to saddam levels. You know, when the dude purged his own cities?
Second, thank the Lord the bomb didn`t hit them...but even if it did, it wouldn`t have done anything.
A) they were in an abrams. We have yet to lose a SINGLE abrams tank since they were deployed. NOT A SINGLE DAMN ABRAMS TANK! Although there was that thing where the driver fell asleep and drove into the river...xDB) They were in an abrams. It`s got a huge shell of...ahem im not allowed to say it, but its very hard. The armor is made out of the same thing the some kinetic force shells are made out of, to give an example of how damn hard it is...+ ceramic tiles, + conventional armor plating stuffs.
Where is Osama I ask?
People tell me I`m a communist and should move back to my ethnic country even though I was born in California.
Can you please explain for me (`cause I`m having some difficulty here), why the photo is being held up by American troops, if it was taken BEFORE the invasion?
The pic, don`t get it. What`s your point, caller?
I honestly get the feeling that half of the so well-informed critics just think they know what the hell they are talking about, and are rather just bandwagoners.
War is wrong, however I think anyone would be hard pressed to demonstrate that their own "country" has never done a single wrong.
The idea of a country disgusts me anyway, we are all human beings. But, that`s a whole other di
I`m here because I`m bored. Isn`t that the idea? And I have no idea what "debating in generals" means, sorry.
Nice username. Agree that WMDs are most undeniably bad. Let`s not forget that the only country ever to have used a WMD in human history was the good `ol US of A.
I agree, we should support our troops (I`m British, our people are getting killed too). But that doesn`t mean we should just forgive and forget over the false reasons we all went in there in the first place.
I wonder if anyone ever thought of asking the guys in this very video whether they think going into Iraq was a bad idea? I think I can predict their answer...
We`re in very real danger of going into global recession, due to 1. spiralling oil prices because of 2. rising tension in the Middle East because of 3. the illegal (i.e. not ratified by the United Nations) invasion of Iraq because 4. George Wanker Bush (with the support of his neocon, get-out-of-jail-free cronies) decided to show daddy what a tough cowboy he was.
This affects us all globally. In a very bad way.
So, as interesting and actually quite cool as that was, it`s very lucky the bomber(s) messed up, because roadside bombs like that are the number 1 killer of coalition troops - and I don`t think anyone here wants that to happen.
1. Invading Iraq was the right thing to do! God spoke to Dubya and told him so!2. Saddam was about to develop nukes!3. (my personal favourite) We invaded Iraq because of 9/11! That`ll teach the Iraqis for being involved!
I have the perfect link for you guys.
Go ahead and sign up, you can do it online, it`s easy! Stand by your convictions!
*cups ear and listens for the stampede of applicants. But hears only the eerie silence of Armchair Patriots hiding behind their monitors.*
I`m not going to contribute to these pointless arguments, but I will say two things:
1. No one should be saying anything about how America "sucks" just because of actions taken by the government. There is much more to this nation than the US-led invasion of Iraq (which, by the way, was supported directly by troops from over thirty nations).
2. almightybob1: "Also, China has a larger army than America, so if they disagreed with your laws, does that make it OK for them to invade America?"
Numbers don`t mean strength. Just had to say that because if nothing else America really does have military superiority over every other nation. Not to say that justifies anything but still...
I`m not sure if it`s more insulting to us that you think anyone could forget that tragedy, or to the people who died that you use it as an excuse to wage war against a country which has no connection to 9/11.
I`d also like to share this with you: World Oil Prices (bottom graph)And this: Oil Reserve Estimates (note the slice taken up by Iraq and Iran)
And one last one: Bush laying the groundwork for Iran war
Exactly what I thought.
Good call bankvole
If you don`t have any nationalism for your country, I hope you don`t have any voting power, because you wouldn`t be looking out for the best interests of the country and it`s citizens.
This goes for everyone by the way. If you don`t think your country`s the best, why live there, move out.
I used to live not-in-the-U.S., but in a much crappier country. I decided to move to the U.S., learn it`s customs and ways, and become a naturalized citizen because I believe the U.S. is the best country in the world. If the U.S. went to war with my former country, I would happily fight for the U.S.
China can invade the U.S. if they want. Or can they? They don`t really have a navy that can compete with the U.S., so they`ll have a hard time shipping their troops here.
it looked cool
now, that scene, very cool... buried too deep by the looks of it.
"America sucks!""No, YOU suck!""The US shouldn`t be in Iraq in the first place.""We`re just doing what YOUR country is afraid to do."Blah,blah,blah.....am I close?
Anyway....that totally looked like a scene from the movie "Tremors."
Also, China has a larger army than America, so if they disagreed with your laws, does that make it OK for them to invade America?
Sorry, you lost me there. What does 9-11 have to do with the invasion of Iraq? Are you guys saying Saddam had something to do with it? I must have missed that story...
And yeah that explosion was mighty cool, close shave for those yanks.
I am entirely sick of those non-US citizens who are 1) making broad generalizations about the American people based on the dysfunctional American government and 2) assuming they know what the individual American`s personal war sentiment is! You don`t live here. You don`t know.AND (I`m not making very many friends with these arguements) Americans who claim that we`re being knights in shining armor by "saving Iraq" and "saving the world" can come down off their ego trips, get a reality check, and realize we suck just as much as any other country.DAMN.
Whether you believe in the war or not, believe in our soldiers.
I think the Europeans are jealous that we are paying the Iraqi`s more attention than them, kind of like the older sibling who becomes jealous when the younger sibling is born and given more attention.
Oh wait, 9/11 never happened I guess, Dumbasses.
Also, theer was no sound because it was deep underground, luckily for the soldiers. God bless them.
others would call it executing brute force which is not very civilized. you cannot hide behind your argument that it was a legally correct invasion when congress or whoever decided to invade. but so is every dictator legally correct within his own country if he decides to invade someone else because in his system he decided it with whatever procedure there is. but what does this help once your standing at the border of another legal system. i doubt that your invasion was "legal" on terms of the iraqi system. and since you are on their soil. their laws rule. at least that should be the case.
I am not arguing for or against the invasion of Iraq. I was simply pointing illogic in baseless arguments made here against the invasion of Iraq. If someone arguing for the invasion of Iraq had such illogic and lack of evidence, I would point it out as well.
And as you said "If you make claims, you should back them up, or they`re bogus." but isn`t that what the US has done to get into Iraq in the first place? But you also said "The argument that no WMD`s were found in Iraq is ridiculous because it is hindsight analysis." so which is it? Was the US led `liberation`/invasion bogus or not, you can`t make up your mind.
"I didn`t say strength had anything to do with being right." yes you did, unless by "...the country that ultimately determines legality and the course of things is usually the country with most power... lobby your country to expand it`s military" you ment that expanding the military and having the most power has nothing to do with strength? um... they`re the same thing.
What your saying is the country with the most guns run the show, and it doesn`t matter how many other countries object, what they do is always right???
There is no evidence that Iraq had no WMD`s before the invasion.
If you make claims, you should back them up, or they`re bogus.
I didn`t say 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq. You`re barking up the wrong tree.
I didn`t say strength had anything to do with being right. You`re barking up the wrong tree again.
1.you didn`t elect bush in 2000. the whole election was a fraud.in every recount bush was the loser.
2.once again for those not listening in the last row. 9/11 had NOTHING to do with iraq. see: iraq - afghanistan = two diffenrent countries. no one internationally told you off when you invaded afghanistan but iraq had absolutely nothing to do with it.
3.the evidence that iraq had no WMD was already known before the invasion. they only admitted it way after so yes the war is absolutely useless
The argument that no WMD`s were found in Iraq is ridiculous because it is hindsight analysis. If everyone could be omniscient and see into the future, there would never ever be any wars because everything bad would never happen as it would all be prevented before it happened.
In international politics, the country that ultimately determines legality and the course of things is usually the country with most power. If you feel passionate enough to start legislating other country`s actions, maybe you should lobby your country to expand it`s military and not spend so much money on handouts so that it can have more power to enforce it`s sense of what`s legal and what`s not.
ANYWAY, that was messed up!! Like most viewers, I echoed the soldier - almost at the same time."HOLY ****!!!" JINX!! Owe me a beer! :-D
@brutalnz: Shut up.