Close Call in Iraq

Submitted by: buddy 10 years ago in Misc
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Shows you how dangerous it can be to just drive down the street.
There are 136 comments:
Female 1,412
woah that was dangerous, but so cool to watch
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Female 188
I think everyone needs to chilllll.
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Male 134
poo... SANDWORM!
GET ON THE APC NOW!
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Male 21
FrcknA - how on earth is the illegal invasion of another country not anyone elses business? You sir, are a bollocks.

IF YOU DONT LOIKE IT GET UR EURPEAN ASS UP AND FIGHT US WE INVENTED NUKES AND WE INVENT NEWWAYS TO USE THEM ALL THE TIME!

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Male 901
It`s pretty funny, in Sweden, patriotism is a bad word. In America, unpatriotism is a bad word.

IMHO, patriotism has a tendency to make you blindly accept what your country does. A democracy thrives well when people are intelligent and critical of the ruling body. While it is not my intention to generalize, that Bush got the majority vote shows that the majority of the American people are not intelligent.

Yes, I am well aware of the fact that not everyone voted for Bush. And yes, many Americans are hypocrites. As davymid said, the only country which has actually used WMD is the USA.

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Male 155
:(.
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Female 187
I`d like to take a moment to say that AMERICA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY all of you who don`t know that (particularly americans) are uneducated and ignorant.

For your information we are a constitutional republic.

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Female 28
Wow. I was trying to show my support for our troops and got blasted. Sorry my message was misunderstood.
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Male 9
hey supporters of the Occupation: join up--you`re of age, most of you. Join up if you mean your empty words.
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Female 681
i believe thiss is real
cause i watch the military channel sometimes, and they always show this type of stuff
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Female 943
gosh.
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Female 26
[quote]On 9/19/2007 7:32:27 PM davymid wrote: *cups ear and listens for the stampede of applicants. But hears only the eerie silence of Armchair Patriots hiding behind their monitors.*[/quote]
Well, yeah, you`re on the other side of the globe, how are you supposed to hear anything? ffs!
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Male 21
I`m a soldier, and I`ve been there done that. (Dont believe me? Contact me and I`ll send you my credentials.)

Yes, its one of those "HOLY SH*T!" moments.

They were riding in an M1114 Up Armored HMMWV, and they muffle sound as it is, plus the road ate up alot of that too...

I`m guessing a 155mm howitzer round.

God Bless America and all those that live in it. Were soldiers and do the things we do so people like all you haters dont have to do them. And we volunteer for it.

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Male 160
<(>.<)> HUGS, everyone all over the world needs a hug, a cup of coffee and just kick back and relax
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Male 12,138
redflare, no, I don`t think I know more than military men, though apparently you have it all worked out.

Here (posted 1 page ago by PFCofMarines, a US Marine tank crewman with a brother in Iraq), is what a true military man said about you:

"you piece of disgusting civilian trash."

I rest my case. I`m guessing you`re nearer the 13 end of the 13-17 age spectrum. Either that, or have some kind of special needs/learning difficulty. Either way, I will stop responding from here on to your inane comments, as it`s a bit like kicking a puppy.

Good day sir.

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Male 4,246
Let`s compare, shall we?

davymid said: "1. "You don`t support the troops, therefore you`re a BAD MAN". I`m British, our guys are dying too. Of course I support our troops and want them to come home safe, and soon."

redflare said: "1) That`s why the UK isn`t a world power anymore."

Do YOU see a logical response? *I* don`t see a logical response!!

redflare, your argument FAILS MISERABLY. Please stop posting about this subject, you`re embarassing yourself.

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Female 250
Generals receive orders, redflare.
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Male 65
1) That`s why the UK isn`t a world power anymore.
2) Guess what? We don`t have enough people for robert mugabe or kim jong il!
3) I refer you to point 1.
4)The reason was connection to the 9/11 attacks. If saddam had said he had no WMD, and had let in searchers, he would actually still be alive! We would of course have invaded anyway. I also refer you to number 1.

HONESTLY, DO ANY OF YOU PRICKS THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN MILITARY MEN (GENERALS) ???

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Male 12,138
And BTW, just to short-circuit the anticipated flame-loaded replies, let me save you the bother by answering up-front

1. "You don`t support the troops, therefore you`re a BAD MAN". I`m British, our guys are dying too. Of course I support our troops and want them to come home safe, and soon.
2. "Saddam was a BAD MAN, we had to take him out". Yeah, so is Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Kim Jong-Il of North Korea etc etc etc. Why don`t we take them out while we`re at it? We didn`t go there to take Saddam out because he was a BAD MAN
3. "You`re not American, it`s none of your business so STFU!". I refer you to point 1.
4. "Don`t judge all Americans because of our President, he`s an idiot". I`m not judging all Americans at all, I`m shooting down anyone who supports Bush`s reasons for justifying the Iraq invasion, including his abuse of using the horrible events of 9/11 to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, which many people seem to have bough

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Male 12,138
^^23scadu "ask the 2000+ families about what happend on 9/11"

See, 23scadu, this is where I lose your train of thought. Please can someone explain to me (I must`ve missed something in the news) the connection between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq?

Last time I checked, Iraqis weren`t killing Americans until we invaded their country to uproot the WMDs which they were hiding. I just need you to help me make the link between 9/11 and the Iraq invasion. You`ve obviously solved it, but I thought the "Perp" was a certain O. B. Ladin, (still at large, somewhere in Pakistan/Afghanistan), about 1500 miles away.

As soon as someone explains to me why 9/11 is justification for invading Iraq, I promise I`ll shut up.

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Male 274
*FNbored, stfu. Tell the all great law that if you don`t respect the millitary, your should automaticly not live in America. Second, do you really think our soilders are over there picking their asses all day and dropping dead for no reason? No, they`re doing their job and killing terrorists that would other wise kill you, if you don`t think so, then ask the 2000+ families about what happend on 9/11.
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Male 274
Yeah they have to record pretty much what ever they do just incase something like that happens, so they can analyze the tape to see how it I.E.D was triggerd. Anywho, U.S. Armed forces FTW!!1!ONE
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Female 28
Redflare, we, as Americans, are sick of losing our own people! If you don`t respect our Military, then get out of the U.S. We should have been gone from there long ago. But thanks to our great President, we just keep losing more and more service men and women. Very well said, PFCofMarines.
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Male 629
Was there like a land mine there?
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Male 88
wow..i wonder if that was a landmine or an IED? if it was an IED it would have to be pretty deep and big..
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Male 7
Look, I don`t support the war in Iraq, but you people who sit here and say stupid things like, "Shouldn`t be over there," when you see the live of American troops on the line, you deserve to have your loved ones shipped off to a foreign country and killed like so many American families have. No matter how much I disagree with the war (and trust me, I disagree quite strongly) I will never, NEVER stop hoping that the troops will come home safe. If you feel otherwise, I fear that your humanity has begun to slip away.
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Male 247
I said "Holy poo!" just as the soldier did.
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Female 655
holyyy shiiiiiiiiip.
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Male 239
that bomb/missile was aimed at that tank i suppose coz the ground wouldn`t randomly blow up for nothing...or it could be a coincidence
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Male 320
................poo............... :-O
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Female 1,545
^^Yay thank you hoobaga for not generalizing us!

ttsec, first of all, I never said I didn`t like the US. I said we`re on equal playing fields as the rest of the world. How dare you question my patriotism to the US and how dare you insult me by calling for my voting revocation. I`m probably just as patriotic as you, and I am VERY proud to be an American. I just happen to be a global-thinker and a realist.

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Male 123
well, it ain`t good to generalize you guys. And i don`t think i`m gonna do so. Well, bush is a dickhead, he went to iraq and got saddam, which is still okay, but i don`t see why he STILL insists on the troops being there. C`mon, put him in a uniform and ship him out and i bet he`ll cry. I ain`t saying the US is wrong, im saying bush sucks . And to you people who are about to say "Who are you to comment on our president when you don`t live here?" Don`t bother. His actions have affected the world greatly. I`m seriously hoping the next elections would change the situation and I hope you guys don`t elect another bush. I appreciate you Americans who feel bush is a prick. Peace.
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Male 12,138
^^redflare, "Pulling out will result in deaths rising back to saddam levels".

I was about to point out how many many more people are being murdered now every week in Iraq than under Saddam, and quote some figures, etc etc.

But PFCofMarines just put the smackdown on you much better than I could ever hope to. God bless you guys, good luck and come home safe.

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Male 165
"if you don`t think the U.S. is the best country in the world, why don`t you move somewhere else?
If you don`t have any nationalism for your country, I hope you don`t have any voting power, because you wouldn`t be looking out for the best interests of the country and it`s citizens."

ttsec, u clearly dont understand the concept of DEMOCRACY. numbnuts


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Male 1,385
how intellagent of you nicholelibra to read only one of my posts and form an opinion of me
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Male 1
redflare, I appreciate how you find it funny that four men died a horrible drowning death thousands of miles away from their families. I`m a Marine tank crewman with a brother in Iraq right now you piece of disgusting civilian trash.

And they have lost a few abrams. Just never a case where an abrams AND a crewman were lost at the same time. It`s a damn good vehicle, but it ain`t invincible.

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Male 1,275
MY GOD DBZ STYLE
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Female 1,158
that was fricken cool.
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Male 65
Question: Why do you all think it is wrong to help iraqis? It`s the most basic reason americans are there.

Pulling out will result in deaths rising back to saddam levels. You know, when the dude purged his own cities?

Second, thank the Lord the bomb didn`t hit them...but even if it did, it wouldn`t have done anything.

A) they were in an abrams. We have yet to lose a SINGLE abrams tank since they were deployed. NOT A SINGLE DAMN ABRAMS TANK! Although there was that thing where the driver fell asleep and drove into the river...xD
B) They were in an abrams. It`s got a huge shell of...ahem im not allowed to say it, but its very hard. The armor is made out of the same thing the some kinetic force shells are made out of, to give an example of how damn hard it is...+ ceramic tiles, + conventional armor plating stuffs.

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Female 250
What is a communist, sulu?
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Female 416
:-/........:-( not cool man.
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Male 994
I personally think the men and women in Iraq were convinced into the trick.

Where is Osama I ask?

People tell me I`m a communist and should move back to my ethnic country even though I was born in California.

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Female 250
How hard is it to realize an invading military force, showed a pic of saddam and the towers? I think it was a reflection of his wishes. I cannot proclaim it was not a part of 911 but at least he was in favor of it. Hence the photo.
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Male 46
God bless ALL troops in Iraq, no matter where they are from. Yes, our president has done some incredibly dull things but that is no reason to hate American citizens. We are not all the same, NASCAR watching, Gung-ho, Rednecks as we are often pictured. And the soldiers are, for the most part, just doing what they are ordered to. So before you fly off the handle with, "liek 0mg33 j00 U$ are t3h s0 gh3y!one11! g0 k1llz s0m1z 3l$ez!1elevnty11" Just look at all the people that share my opinion and oppose the war.
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Male 12,138
tulip^^ "That photo was taken well before the invasion."

Can you please explain for me (`cause I`m having some difficulty here), why the photo is being held up by American troops, if it was taken BEFORE the invasion?

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Male 12,138
Still waiting for your point, tulip...
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Male 12,138
Help me out here tulip, I`m finding it hard to follow your posts. What have I been "soon to forget"?
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Female 250
That photo was taken well before the invasion.
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Female 250
f*ck off is the best reply you have, seriously?
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Female 250
Um do you think this was a photoshop, davymid?
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Male 741
You are all poopy heads :(
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Female 250
It is apparent to me, Sadamm was taking some sort of "claim" or pleasure in the 911 attack.
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Male 12,138
^^ Tulip. Sorry,

The pic, don`t get it. What`s your point, caller?

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Female 250

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I could not resist.
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Female 663
free.
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Female 663
brutalnz:
shouldn`t be there in the first place
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First off, don`t be a dick about our troops. It`s either fight or face dishonorable discharge with a nice little prison sentence to go along with it. If you asked most of the soldiers out there if they still think the war is worth fighting most of them would say no, but since it`s now illegal for officers to openly disagree with an order from their commanding officer (the dumbass himself) you won`t hear them say a word. They`re not to blame, it`s the politicians. Has any of them lost anyone in the war? It`s not as these troops are any of their`s.
Second, to all you idiots out there who say that this war is about 911, please. If it really was a war on terror we`d be fighting 1500 miles east in Afghanistan, where Osama`s really hiding and Al Queda has strong political ties. The truth is that we don`t know what we`re fighting for. It was for the weapons, and when no weapons were found, then it was for freedom, but no one`s
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Male 3
It baffles me how blindly accusing an entire country of injustice will really solve anything, except cause hate and malice towards one another. What is even more so exceptional about this, is that America is a country without a national race. We are made up of EVERY single country in the world, and I can GUARANTEE you that whatever country you are in, there is someone from that same nation in America, or, at least with that heritage. So how could you generalize American people as being incompetent? You would, at the same time be saying that the people from your own country are incompetent.

I honestly get the feeling that half of the so well-informed critics just think they know what the hell they are talking about, and are rather just bandwagoners.

War is wrong, however I think anyone would be hard pressed to demonstrate that their own "country" has never done a single wrong.

The idea of a country disgusts me anyway, we are all human beings. But, that`s a whole other di

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Male 12,138
^^ "davymid, why are you wasting your time here when you could be debating in generals?"

I`m here because I`m bored. Isn`t that the idea? And I have no idea what "debating in generals" means, sorry.

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Female 250
davymid, why are you wasting your time here when you could be debating in generals?
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Male 12,138
WMDs-R-Bad,

Nice username. Agree that WMDs are most undeniably bad. Let`s not forget that the only country ever to have used a WMD in human history was the good `ol US of A.

I agree, we should support our troops (I`m British, our people are getting killed too). But that doesn`t mean we should just forgive and forget over the false reasons we all went in there in the first place.

I wonder if anyone ever thought of asking the guys in this very video whether they think going into Iraq was a bad idea? I think I can predict their answer...

We`re in very real danger of going into global recession, due to 1. spiralling oil prices because of 2. rising tension in the Middle East because of 3. the illegal (i.e. not ratified by the United Nations) invasion of Iraq because 4. George Wanker Bush (with the support of his neocon, get-out-of-jail-free cronies) decided to show daddy what a tough cowboy he was.

This affects us all globally. In a very bad way.

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Female 250
This is silly. The clip just showed the dangers soldiers face on the streets of Iraq. These soldiers are not politicians nor do they decide policy. I dont support the policies of our current administration but I do support these men and women in combat.
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Male 46
marvinius, I know you want America wiped off the face of the Earth as the Iranians and NKs do, but you are very irrational.
We are not in it illegally, we are in it in times of war. I`m 95% positive we would pull out if it wasn`t for the oil, and you have to admit, that is a whole lot of oil.
If we left, Iran would annex Iraq and by-by how ever much oil their is in the middle east to all Nato and other U.S. allies.
As for FricknA, he does not know what he is talking about. This is a world affair and it is other peoples` business. The bomb was real, and if not, it is as close to real as real can get. I have a friend who just came out of the Spec. forces, and he has pictures of sh-t like this.
Hate us for Bush, but no other reason. God Bless the USA. As you see, I am VERY patriotic.
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Male 1,289
HAHA i said "Holly SH*T" when he said it
lol!
awesome.
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Male 132
duuuuuuude!!!

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Male 12
i just knew this was gonna a political debate. I like the way how everybody that doesn`t live in america, complains about stuff that has nothing to do with their countries. i know im probably gonna be grilled by one of you but eh... I`m still sticking with "Bring home the troops, bring home the war". That or just bomb the hell out of the whole country. I want everybody to watch when we do get out of there, how much poo is gonna go down. just thought i hadda say something.
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Male 188
Okay, I`m not going to get into the Iraq debate, because it`s pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that it makes no difference any more. The fact is that they`re there, and it is amazingly dangerous for them.

So, as interesting and actually quite cool as that was, it`s very lucky the bomber(s) messed up, because roadside bombs like that are the number 1 killer of coalition troops - and I don`t think anyone here wants that to happen.

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Male 12,138
To all you yanks on here spouting utter horsewank such as:

1. Invading Iraq was the right thing to do! God spoke to Dubya and told him so!
2. Saddam was about to develop nukes!
3. (my personal favourite) We invaded Iraq because of 9/11! That`ll teach the Iraqis for being involved!

I have the perfect link for you guys.

http://www.usarmy.mil/recruiting/sign_up

Go ahead and sign up, you can do it online, it`s easy! Stand by your convictions!

*cups ear and listens for the stampede of applicants. But hears only the eerie silence of Armchair Patriots hiding behind their monitors.*

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Male 666
I hope we invade Iran. Ridding the world of another vile government will only bring good to everyone, even to those who hate us, but they are like children who never appreciate and only complain.
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Male 88
was that a landmine or was that an IED?
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Male 88
o wait i just remembered there is a little thing..called islamis radicals..there all over the middleeast and wait, why did we choose iraq..maybe it was saddam hussein.he was suspected of killing alot of people even though he was convicted of only executing 148 people. And maybe iraq didn`t have weapons of mass destruction they were planing on makin chemical agents and nukes. i think under saddam hussein they would have eventually done that.
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Male 7
It isnt any of his buisness he lives in austraalia and we have a right to go in there to protect our country. Most of the U.N backed down so we went off to fight so we had to deal with this. would you approve of a comment like, "If only Australia" was bombed down and all of their retarted soliders died" i think that would be offense you fudging inconsiderate pain in your mothers a**.
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Female 1,407
The Soldier said it all. ö !!!
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Male 425
Good video displaying the dangers of life in Iraq currently.

I`m not going to contribute to these pointless arguments, but I will say two things:

1. No one should be saying anything about how America "sucks" just because of actions taken by the government. There is much more to this nation than the US-led invasion of Iraq (which, by the way, was supported directly by troops from over thirty nations).

2. almightybob1: "Also, China has a larger army than America, so if they disagreed with your laws, does that make it OK for them to invade America?"

Numbers don`t mean strength. Just had to say that because if nothing else America really does have military superiority over every other nation. Not to say that justifies anything but still...

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Male 1,141
what were they filming? notice i left out my opinion on the war!
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Male 4,290
"im sure most of you have forgoten about this but, The WORLD TRADE CENTER and the PENTAGON were both attacked"

I`m not sure if it`s more insulting to us that you think anyone could forget that tragedy, or to the people who died that you use it as an excuse to wage war against a country which has no connection to 9/11.

I`d also like to share this with you: World Oil Prices (bottom graph)
And this: Oil Reserve Estimates (note the slice taken up by Iraq and Iran)

And one last one: Bush laying the groundwork for Iran war

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Female 1
wow...i just want to let people know that not all americans are completely oblivious and out of touch on why we`re in iraq... I agree with those who say we shouldnt even drating be there.
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Male 80
"Anyway....that totally looked like a scene from the movie "Tremors.""

Exactly what I thought.

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Male 788
Thats Crazy D= Not a good crazy BUUTT! quote: FrcknA - how on earth is the illegal invasion of another country not anyone elses business? You sir, are a bollocks.


Good call bankvole

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Male 666
yellowsquare, if you don`t think the U.S. is the best country in the world, why don`t you move somewhere else?

If you don`t have any nationalism for your country, I hope you don`t have any voting power, because you wouldn`t be looking out for the best interests of the country and it`s citizens.

This goes for everyone by the way. If you don`t think your country`s the best, why live there, move out.

I used to live not-in-the-U.S., but in a much crappier country. I decided to move to the U.S., learn it`s customs and ways, and become a naturalized citizen because I believe the U.S. is the best country in the world. If the U.S. went to war with my former country, I would happily fight for the U.S.

China can invade the U.S. if they want. Or can they? They don`t really have a navy that can compete with the U.S., so they`ll have a hard time shipping their troops here.

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Male 1,497
I dont like the fact we are there right NOW, im just saying why we went, we found Sadam and did whatever. We should have been out a long while ago, but Bush is an Ass Hole till the end of his term.
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Male 34
very neat yet incredibly teriffying )-|
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Male 155
here i`ll add to the argument
We have no business there in the first place

it looked cool

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Male 10,440
^ you`re an idiot

now, that scene, very cool... buried too deep by the looks of it.

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Male 1,497
Oi, stop talking about why america is in Iraq, im sure most of you have forgoten about this but, The WORLD TRADE CENTER and the PENTAGON were both attacked, i dont know what other countries do when they are attacked by outside nations, but us, we go to war, and we always have, was it wrong for the US to enter WW2 when pearl harbor was attacked? no, so STFU
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Male 689
youre all clowns.
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Male 869
I haven`t read the posts but let me take a guess at what they say....

"America sucks!"
"No, YOU suck!"
"The US shouldn`t be in Iraq in the first place."
"We`re just doing what YOUR country is afraid to do."
Blah,blah,blah.....am I close?

Anyway....that totally looked like a scene from the movie "Tremors."

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Male 189
People, we are on the internet where kids think their opinions matter. Never has, never will.
... so for the love of god don`t feed them by arguing with them. Don`t want to see more of this.
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Male 1,193
why would the dumbasses put a mine on the side of the road? you should put it in the center.
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Male 171
That was around a thousand pounds of arti shells and whatnot packed into a culvert under the road. Good thing the guy on the trigger timed it wrong. =)
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Male 4,290
The legality of a war is not decided by any one country, it`s laid down in the rules about just war set by the UN.

Also, China has a larger army than America, so if they disagreed with your laws, does that make it OK for them to invade America?

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Male 650
^^^ davymid, they`re just the uninformed Americans I`ve read about in statistics.
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Male 12,138
^^RyanF701 "Oh wait, 9/11 never happened I guess, Dumbasses."

Sorry, you lost me there. What does 9-11 have to do with the invasion of Iraq? Are you guys saying Saddam had something to do with it? I must have missed that story...

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Male 160
Put it simpley war is not a nice thing it must be the the last resort when all else fails. So the fact that the whole basis for America going to war with Iraq was wrong makes it seem like the US didnt do enough to ensure they were right, before they started a war that has killed so many people.

And yeah that explosion was mighty cool, close shave for those yanks.

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Female 1,545
I am not usually one to get emotionally charged about I-Am-Bored video comments...
BUT

I am entirely sick of those non-US citizens who are 1) making broad generalizations about the American people based on the dysfunctional American government and 2) assuming they know what the individual American`s personal war sentiment is! You don`t live here. You don`t know.
AND (I`m not making very many friends with these arguements) Americans who claim that we`re being knights in shining armor by "saving Iraq" and "saving the world" can come down off their ego trips, get a reality check, and realize we suck just as much as any other country.
DAMN.

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Male 773
oh no
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2,767
that was crazy!!! *insert political comment about the war*
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Female 432
What Tymberwulf said.
And what that soldier said.
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Female 199
Why don`t you all just stfu and watch the damn video?
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Male 237
Why must anything like this turn into an argument. I think this video is amazing in the fact that people can see first hand just what kind of danger these soldiers are going through. Who really cares if the United States should be there or not, the fact is we are and arguing over it every chance we get probably wont ultimately bring a single soldier back.

Whether you believe in the war or not, believe in our soldiers.

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Male 238
This is a long and stupid argument that is getting nowhere. If someone thinks some way, and you keep arguing, what`s the chances of you convincing them while you just typing online. you might as well be talking to a brick wall. So please stop it.
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Male 46
No doubt you Americans are exploiting your military might whether you are right or wrong. I hate you because you initiate invasions based on forged evidence, disregarding what the international community says, you have a president who takes his inspiration from "god", and you still want revenge after 9/11, but are not quite sure who to take revenge on (oohh, the tewwowists). The good news is that I know I`m being irrational.
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Female 224
your poo is holy?
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Male 666
My personal opinion is that we have business being Iraq to save it`s people from Saddam Hussein and that Europeans should be thankful we have this policy, because it is this policy that saved Europe during both world wars.

I think the Europeans are jealous that we are paying the Iraqi`s more attention than them, kind of like the older sibling who becomes jealous when the younger sibling is born and given more attention.

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Male 2,486
To shut up all of the people NOT FROM THE US going GET OUT OF IRAQ YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE.

Oh wait, 9/11 never happened I guess, Dumbasses.

Also, theer was no sound because it was deep underground, luckily for the soldiers. God bless them.

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Male 666
Traditionally, law is determined by those with power. For example, the U.S. was formed because we were unhappy with taxation laws, so we used military might to form our own nation and our own laws. Sadaam Hussein had laws we didn`t like, such as not allowing weapon inspections, torture, etc... So we went in to dispel his government and form our own laws. So, yes, law is determined by those who can enforce it, and that is the way of life. I am simpling stating a social/historical observation. I don`t know why you are arguing with me.
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Male 357
^^ if you are trying to be so precice with your wording then there is still the argument that "legality" can only refer to things that are within the boundaries of a legal system. as soon as you are outside of your country you are outside of your legal system all that backs up your "lagality" is your military power. at least this is what you are trying to say.

others would call it executing brute force which is not very civilized. you cannot hide behind your argument that it was a legally correct invasion when congress or whoever decided to invade. but so is every dictator legally correct within his own country if he decides to invade someone else because in his system he decided it with whatever procedure there is. but what does this help once your standing at the border of another legal system. i doubt that your invasion was "legal" on terms of the iraqi system. and since you are on their soil. their laws rule. at least that should be the case.

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Male 666
You seem to confuse legality and morality. Right and wrong is morality. Legal or illegal is legality. There are laws in my country that I oppose and think are wrong, but if I break the laws, what I`m doing is still illegal.
The evidence that led the U.S. congress and president into thinking that WMD`s existed in Iraq were later determined to be misinformation from the CIA. Those in the CIA responsible for this misinformation no longer work there anymore, obviously, because they messed up in their job. So, the evidence was bogus, but the belief was genuine. The belief was made upon evidence (bogus evidence nonetheless) and not made out of thin air. The claim that Bush intentionally lied is based on thin air.

I am not arguing for or against the invasion of Iraq. I was simply pointing illogic in baseless arguments made here against the invasion of Iraq. If someone arguing for the invasion of Iraq had such illogic and lack of evidence, I would point it out as well.

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Male 1,385
FrcknA, ever heard of a little thing called the freedom of speech??? Isn`t that a foundation stone of your nation, or can`t I talk about that either?
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Male 1,385
^^ ttsec, There is no evidence that Iraq had WMD`s period.

And as you said "If you make claims, you should back them up, or they`re bogus." but isn`t that what the US has done to get into Iraq in the first place? But you also said "The argument that no WMD`s were found in Iraq is ridiculous because it is hindsight analysis." so which is it? Was the US led `liberation`/invasion bogus or not, you can`t make up your mind.

"I didn`t say strength had anything to do with being right." yes you did, unless by "...the country that ultimately determines legality and the course of things is usually the country with most power... lobby your country to expand it`s military" you ment that expanding the military and having the most power has nothing to do with strength? um... they`re the same thing.

What your saying is the country with the most guns run the show, and it doesn`t matter how many other countries object, what they do is always right???

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Male 666
There is no evidence that the election was fraud.

There is no evidence that Iraq had no WMD`s before the invasion.

If you make claims, you should back them up, or they`re bogus.

I didn`t say 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq. You`re barking up the wrong tree.

I didn`t say strength had anything to do with being right. You`re barking up the wrong tree again.

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Male 357
^^ typical argument of a bully...i`m strong therefore i`m right...

1.you didn`t elect bush in 2000. the whole election was a fraud.in every recount bush was the loser.

2.once again for those not listening in the last row. 9/11 had NOTHING to do with iraq. see: iraq - afghanistan = two diffenrent countries. no one internationally told you off when you invaded afghanistan but iraq had absolutely nothing to do with it.

3.the evidence that iraq had no WMD was already known before the invasion. they only admitted it way after so yes the war is absolutely useless

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Male 666
Bush was first elected in 2000. We didn`t liberate Iraq until 2003. For you to think that the world stays stagnant in 3 years shows that you (or your country) must live is some kind of bubble. In 2000, no one could`ve know terrorist would attack 1 year later.

The argument that no WMD`s were found in Iraq is ridiculous because it is hindsight analysis. If everyone could be omniscient and see into the future, there would never ever be any wars because everything bad would never happen as it would all be prevented before it happened.

In international politics, the country that ultimately determines legality and the course of things is usually the country with most power. If you feel passionate enough to start legislating other country`s actions, maybe you should lobby your country to expand it`s military and not spend so much money on handouts so that it can have more power to enforce it`s sense of what`s legal and what`s not.

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Male 4,246
And right-wingers wonder why left-wingers want to bring the troops home. )-|

ANYWAY, that was messed up!! Like most viewers, I echoed the soldier - almost at the same time.
"HOLY ****!!!" JINX!! Owe me a beer! :-D

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Male 357
well the UN and the rest of the world did not approve so much what the U.S. did...so was it legal? i don`t know. i mean laws usually only refer to what happens within your country. as soon as you get out and ran rampage in another ones homeland you probably can no longer have this "legality" especially not if most of the rest of the world said you shouldn`t do it...
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Male 22
Wow... even though they could`ve died, I must say that the big bubble of earth was pretty mad.
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Male 160
Yeah they approved it cause Iraq had so many weapons of mass destruction, no o wait thats sarcasm, heck when George Bush was first elected they said Iraq was in no way a threat. Its a shame my countrys prime minster had his head shoved up george bush`s ass
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Male 550
What I`m more interested in is what were they trying to film in the first place?
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Male 666
The invasion of Iraq was perfectly legal. Maybe it`s "illegal" where you live for whatever odd reason, but in the U.S., congress approved of it.
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Male 177
cosign
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Male 959
FrcknA - how on earth is the illegal invasion of another country not anyone elses business? You sir, are a bollocks.
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Male 32
FrcknA: "What our country does or does not do is none of your damn business"

...O RLY?

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Male 411
Yeah, that`s what she said.
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Male 151
@Brutalnz
What our country does or does not do is none of your damn business. If you don`t like what is happening in Iraq you can either stfu or come take us out personally, dumbass.

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Male 99
Whoever planted the bomb messed up, it was to deep under the roadbed (something which the soldiers in those vehicles are glad of). The lack of noise is due to the ground muffling the sound wave. It also looks like the power of the explosion was fairly small (more than enough to kill, but in this case the road contained it, hence the bubble effect).

@brutalnz: Shut up.

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Male 357
yeah...interesting that there was no sound from the explosion....and it looked as if the bomb was quite deep within the ground judging from the amount of earth that was pushed up....
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Male 356
The explosion looks so...perfectly round...ish?
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Male 1,385
shouldn`t be there in the first place
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Male 888
zomgzorz!!
was that a landmine or sumthing
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Male 177
... and just a little thud? Shouldn`t that have said KA-BOOM?
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Male 173
wow... ;-()
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Male 59
Yeah, that was most def a holy sh*t moment. Looked like some Transformers special fx.
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Male 161
God bless those guys who have to deal with that poo.
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Male 240
Shows you how dangerous it can be to just drive down the street... In the army... In a tank... In broad daylight.
At first I thought it was just some Iraq hating, very cool
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Male 318
holy sh*t...is that real? it just looks so..holy sh*t
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Female 250
Yeah... what that soldier said.
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Male 10,115
Link: Close Call in Iraq [Rate Link] - Shows you how dangerous it can be to just drive down the street.
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