Are You Old Enough?

Submitted by: Snoogans 10 years ago in
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7003325.stm

72 year old man asked to prove he is over 21.
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Male 1
Everyone means everyone.
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Female 28
I am 21, from the US--I spent 5 month in Northern Ireland and I did NOT GET CARDED once when I bought alcohol. (Neither in a bar nor in a grocery store)
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Female 250
I know some 30 year olds that look quite youthful and can see why they are carded. It is ridiculous to ask anyone over 40 for ID. When did people lose common sense? If I am carded, I will just take my business elsewhere, screw them.
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Female 224
you can just go off of looks, this one 11 year old i saw on the tyra banks show, the majority of the audience thought she was 18, though she looked like 23 to me
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Male 2,605
I`m undecided about this one, actually. On the one hand the store has an obligation, according to policy, to ask everyone to produce ID. According to the reply from headquarters, this is because clerks cannot be trusted to accurately assess the age of some people based solely off appearance. Okay. Clerks can`t be trusted to think accurately for themselves (a given), so the company needs to compensate in accordance with law. Okay. The result is that absolutely anyone must provide ID because if the policy is not followed 100%, it`s a null policy. Okay.

On the other hand, I agree with the man that society is becoming more and more informal, regulated, bureaucratic, and cold. The guy is obviously over 21 and even though the policy requires one to ask, at least the clerk can agree with the customer that it was ridiculous in his (customer`s) case or make some allusion in the process. Such as, "I am required to ask, sir, but..."

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Male 1,149
[quote] I find it ludicrous that people actually complain about this. They have the right to refuse anyone if they can`t provide identification. Show the f*cking ID and move on. I don`t care if you`re 104. If they ask for ID, show it. NO BOOZE FOR YOU! [/quote] Well put.
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Male 1,149
He could have just flashed the employee his license and been done with it. What is ridiculous is that he refused too, making a big deal about absolutely nothing.
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Female 156
.....Uh....o.- Retards
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Female 156
You know..I *hope* I get carded when I`m that age :(

I would`ve been flattered xD

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Male 2,576
Corner Stores in Quebec all have Signs that Say "People between the Ages of 18 and 26 Will be Carded"

Just say "I`m 27."

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Male 2,216
I worked at Marks & Spencer in the UK, and they too had the `21` challenge thing, where you had to ask anyone who looked at all near 21, ie if you werent sure, ASK, and the store would support you.

As for other things, if the till says "is customer 16?" or "is customer 21?" etc for blades, gunpowder, alcohol etc, you *HAVE TO ASK IT*, it doesnt matter if you can obviously judge that they`re 80, it doesnt matter, it has to be asked, if you are over 21, just say so, dont make a song and dance about it! Dont blame the staff, its just store policy, and often legal requirements!

Usually most people took it fine, you`d ask an old lady if she was 21 and she`s say "ooh only just!" etc, you could joke with it, but still, if you`re trained to ask it, you ask it, otherwise your job can be at risk.

The old bloke needed to complain to Morrisons HQ, not the manager or the cashier.

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Male 1,825
^^nice
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Female 250
Cmdr shove it up your arse.
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Female 1,172
I find it ludicrous that people actually complain about this. They have the right to refuse anyone if they can`t provide identification. Show the f*cking ID and move on. I don`t care if you`re 104. If they ask for ID, show it. NO BOOZE FOR YOU!
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Female 250
I find this ludicrous. My 74 year old mother was actually asked to show ID when purchasing some wine. People in line chuckled. My mother left the store embarressed and insulted. We recieved a letter of apology from the stores managers after I filed a formal complaint.
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Female 283
My brother works at Morrisons and they were telling everyone there about this thing... yeah.
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Male 4,393
yea^^^
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Female 241
LoL...
i bet he felt young again!
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Female 576
Wow. And here I get looked at funny if I ask 22-25 year olds for an ID.
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Female 4
You are required by most (if not all) states in the US to have ID to buy alcohol. End of story. This story is like saying "he looks over the age to drive, so why have a driver`s license on him?". Show your id for anything age-related, and quit your bitching.
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Female 688
I work as a cashier. We don`t sell alcohol but we do sell cigs. Since April there was a rule that if the customer looks under forty (40) you have to card them to buy cigs.

I had a customer to come in, it was about 10:30 pm. He was with his wife, (I`m assuming his wife). He wanted to purchase some smokes. He was probably around 20 years old. I could physically tell that. I asked to see ID. He and his wife (or girlfriend) laught and he said "what do I look under 18). I said no, but if you are under forty (40) I have to card you. Of course upon hearing that, he got rude. I simply told him, that if he wanted to talk to a manager he could. I forget what he said as he stomped out of the building but it was something alone the lines of "I`ll never shop here again." That wasn`t the first time I had to refuse a sale to a customer.

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Male 42
The store was right to ask for ID as some1 previosly said - its not fair on younger ppl.
The guy did over-react, but the manager should have showed some maturity and allowed the man to buy the alcohol because he clearly is over 21.
I don`t agree with the "over 21" approach in the UK as the age to buy alcohol is 18.
I once got asked for ID in a Tesco store when I was buying groceries (i was under 18 too) (no alcohol) - because I was at a checkout which was ok to buy alcohol at (some have red Xs above them to indicate alcohol cannot be purchased at that til); it was a bit silly of the shop assistant, however she served me anyway and said I`ll pretend you`re with the lady behind you (who was clearly over 18)
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Male 134
wow, this article puts it like its an extraordinary thing... this is normal, i work at a supermarket and the cashiers have to, no matter what, its the law. the police can send in an older looking gentleman, who is over 21, and see if he can buy alchohol without an id, if he can, the store gets fined, because its the law
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Female 67
The manager (or clerk, even) should have explained that it`s the company`s policy to card all individuals buying alcohol. It would have definitely made them look better if they`d done that instead of taking the wine from him and putting it back on the shelf.

I get carded for everything from violent video games (at Toys R Us and such) to alcohol to getting into movies rated R, even though I`m 23. It`s irksome, but I never bitch about it because I`ve been in the clerk`s shoes and know what kind of trouble you can get into if you don`t card someone.

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Male 275
`...the difficulties our staff face in being able to determine if a customer is legally old enough to buy alcohol`
Are you f***ing joking? Thats the hairiest teenager I ever saw :|
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Male 396
wow just give the guy his wine
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Male 773
dont mind.
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Male 107
i can`t say anything about other stores but hy vee`s policy on checking age is if the person looks younger than 30 card them.
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Female 2,695
um, this guy shouldn`t have gotten so upset. everyone should be checked for ID, i don`t give a damn how old you are.
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Male 118
yep thats the company i work for (ffpp)
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Female 1,172
As for people looking "clearly over 21"...Sometimes you can`t tell. My friend Nathan looked 25 since he was 14. Seriously...it was weird.
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Female 1,172
Kind of dumb, as he is clearly over 21, but the guy made a rediculous scene for nothing. Just show them the f*cking ID and move on...why do people get so pissed when anyone asks for ID? My bf always gets mad when they ask to see ID when he uses his credit card. I think it`a good thing.
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Female 195
im 25 but get asked if im 16 or over when i buy cigarettes...but never get asked my age when buying booze >-<
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Female 330
Well, if it`s required to ask, even if it`s obvious, I don`t blame the supermarket. All I`m getting from this is that this 72 year old man is whining like he`s 2.
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Male 506
^^^^ haha yeah
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Female 1,578
he should have been flattered
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Male 274
It`s common sense. it is hard to tell if a younger looking person is 21 or over. But if the person CLEARLY looks over 21, then they should not be asked. Unless your trying to be cute.
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Male 189
Thank god here the drinking and smoking legal age is 16, or I think I wouldn`t have survived my teen years :D
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Male 175
I work on the produce department at morrisons
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Male 155
Im gonna put it ez to understand for the "it` common sense croud." Its the law in the states. Dad works at a restaurant, and fda send in ppl of any age, 70 to 10 to buy a beer, if they dont card no matter what they have done this every year and failed once, which is why i heard about it. A major hefty fine gets slapped on the owner if no id is taken.

Its no joke when ppl card. Blame the gov if u will but not the staff.

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Female 221
well like duuuhhhh...
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Male 1,420
"I dont know about in the UK but in the US if it is a sting, they legally have to say they are not of age. This means if you ask if they are old enough, if they say yes, your fine. Even if they are too young it is not a sting."
haha, i can just imagine a 7 year old kid "hey mister, can i have some awcohow?" "well, are you old enough?" "yes" "ok. here you go."

"Uh-huh. So, if your staff faces difficulties in determining if a 72-year-old man is legally old enough, MAYBE you need some new frikkin` staff."
you missed the point. if they dont ID the older people, the younger people will complain about unfair treatment.

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Female 673
He could`ve been a 20-year old in an old man mask! You never know. Some of those things can be pretty realistic.

This is actually quite funny.

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Male 1,275
A guy did this at work and was fired
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Male 68
^^ Why is the store in the wrong? The guy said himself he was acting stupid, and said he would have certainly complied if the manager had explained the store`s situation (being fined in the past).

If it`s store policy, it`s store policy. I don`t think someone should be immune to it, even if they look older than 21. It`s not like they`re asking him to do something impossible-- they just asked him to show them a little rectangle of plastic.

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Male 3,369
To the americans here!

Morrisons is a UK store and we have NO I.D system in place. Its not a legal requirement for the store ask, its a store policy. The legal age to buy alchohol is infact 18 but stores can and do enforce a "over 21 policy".


The store is very much in the wrong in this case no matter what they say!

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Male 356
They`re just doing their job, but I probably would have added a little sarcasm in it, rather than make it so impersonal...
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Male 4,246
A Morrisons spokesman said: "We take our responsibility with regard to selling alcohol very seriously and all our stores operate the Task 21 scheme, which addresses the difficulties our staff face in being able to determine if a customer is legally old enough to buy alcohol."

Uh-huh. )-| So, if your staff faces difficulties in determining if a 72-year-old man is legally old enough, MAYBE you need some new frikkin` staff.

"I felt like saying `What do I look like? Are you a fool?`"

He totally should`ve said that. I would`ve.

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Male 550
Although bureaucracy is necessary for good management to a certain extent, sometimes you just have to be more flexible. Instead of being a rigid, mechanistic company, they should strive to be more organic since they deal with people often.
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Female 344
I agree on benbenj`s comment~
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Male 292
lol, i know its crazy. i think its stupid how over hear they have a think 21 thing going where instead of thinking do they look 18 which is the legal age they have to think do they look 21. then make the age 21 wtf. also i read about this and think that the store acted like idiots as there was no way in hell he was under 18 and you dont have to carry driving licenses in this country so he might not of even had any ID. all and all your rite benjbenj this is just stupid bureaucratic bull
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Male 916
Hmmm, so far quite a few IAB people just looooove this bureaucratic nonsense as well.
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Male 317
Seriously, the people are just doing their jobs, and this guy thinks he`s above the law (or rules of the store) by not having to show ID. Wow.
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Female 33
Did somebody call the Waaaambulance? Cause all I hear is whining from this old man.
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Male 411
As one man told me when I worked as a cashier at target and made a mistake weighing the apples, he said "You know what the sad thing about common sense is? and I asked what? He said "it`s not common." What a jerk. I also remember asking people for id`s for selling alcohol and they would always get pissed
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Male 151
its not about how old he looked... most stores require that their employees ask everyone if they are over 21. I dont know about in the UK but in the US if it is a sting, they legally have to say they are not of age. This means if you ask if they are old enough, if they say yes, your fine. Even if they are too young it is not a sting.
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Male 306
It happens...but sorta sucks when it happens to you
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Female 3,562
It isn`t just about age, you need some sort of ID to be served alcohol. If you`ve committed enough alcohol related crimes you can`t have one and it`s illegal for you to buy alcohol.
At least that`s the way it is in this state. I mean, it`s basically a permit for alcohol. So age isn`t the only factor anymore.
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Male 2,216
I`ve worked at places where when you`re given an on-screen age verification question, you have to ask them NO MATTER WHAT. But usually you can make a joke of it with them if they`re older.
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Male 994
The guy looks like he`s 40-50.
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Male 162
well why not? i mean they have that one disease that makes you age to like 80 by the time your like 7 years old. and what i just said made total sense. NO QUESTIONS!
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Male 869
Link: Are You Old Enough? [Rate Link] - 72 year old man asked to prove he is over 21.
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