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Actually scratch asking you here, I think I`ll try and mail you.
And this is the kind of thing that gives atheists an undeserved and very bad reputation.
KMeTG.... you`re just a furkin hypocrite XD
Then again, so am I. I said to post only as relevant to the topic, and I haven`t exactly done that much have I ._.? Just one sentance.... *palmforehead*
Davymid, you just made my day. I don`t agree with you, but that was hilareous XDNot your view, I have no problem with you believing what you want to (though I wish you`d respect other`s beliefs as well). But calling God the Sky Fairy... roflBut just one other random comment, why is it that everyone who believes in God MUST believe everything in the Bible and about Jesus? I certainly don`t, so therefore I must not really exist?
Anyhoo, in my eyes this could be either wonderful and helpful or a complete disaster. Most likely a little of both =/, but I hope the little disaster part is worth the funhelpfulhappytime part :3[/littlekidness]
The smart idiots: NO HE DIDENT!
Me: STFU! We don`t get to be alive for all that long, so just shut the drat up and let the interesting things happen while your alive to experience them!
Oh, wait, yes I did.
Religion only causes problems. People should decide for themselves and have their own moral code to live by.
Mine is simple: help others, right people`s wrongs, and do the best I can at all times.
I don`t know if there is a higher power in this universe. I don`t know if there is a heaven or hell. It`s not something I`ll know until my life ends. But I do know that if I live my life according to that code, then higher power or not, I`ll have led a good life.
davymid`s right, assuming everything we don`t know is attributable to God is simply moronic.
How long have animals been sexually reproducing? Hundreds of millions of years. Yet it was only around 200 years ago - possibly less - that science found semen was necessary for fertilisation.
I`m willing to bet that up until then, everyone assumed children were God`s will.
Excellent post, and thoughtful comments. I completely agree with you. And for the record, I am raging here not against Christians (or Muslims, or Hindus). I believe it`s more important to modern society to be a good and moral person. What religion someone belongs to is actually irrelevant.
My rant is against those religious nuts who come out guns blazing as an opponent to science. I am a professional scientist (PhD Geology) so for me it is more than just stupidity, it is a personal insult to my whole life, my career, everything.
Science can`t prove everything, and religion can prove nothing. I denounce any religious nut who comes out as an opponent to scientific progress because it disagrees with your book. I equally denounce so-called atheists who immediately attack any religious idea. You`re just lowering yourselves to their level.
Everything in it`s place. Science in real life, Religion in the faith. Whatever helps people sleep at night.
You`re right, science can`t explain everything, but science is closing the gaps all the time. It pisses me off this creationist/religious idea of "Oh, we can`t explain this or that particular phenomenon now with science, therefore God must have done it". That`s right. It`s not down to the laws of physics/chemistry/mathematics. It was the great unreachable, unknowable Sky Fairy that did it. Cause it says so in this book I`ve got here. I`ve got a book, it`s called Harry F*cking Potter.
There is a place for religion in society, and in people`s private lives. But don`t you religious nuts try to make out like it`s "Religion or Science, take your pick", because it`s a losing battle for you.
Keep religion in it`s place, and keep science in it`s place (it`s called progress).
Science is flawed like anything, but if the desire to learn the facts didn`t exist, people would still be living in caves dancing to stop the lightning.
It`s not about explaining everything. There`s probably an answer for everything if you`re religious. But is it the right answer?
Is it bollocks.
3-7 years and counting.
I dunno. I`m just me, and I think religion is bollocks. The only religion I`ve so far come across that I like is Buddhism, and that`s because it concentrates on the teachings of a man instead of a God. And I happen to agree with some of those teachings.
Some of the things Jesus said had some point to them that was very relevant, but the Bible is too unstructured and self-contradictory to be taken seriously. Here`s how the Bible was written:
Person A makes a statement, B listens. B repeats, C listens. C discusses it with friends D and E, D goes away to tell F while E writes it down. F writes another version and gets it different to E. E and F compare and ask D for help. D can no longer remember the story accurately. D, E, and F collaborate on the best version of events. G reads it and tells H about it. H uses it as the inspiration for his own story. Eventually someone compiles it. Voila, Bible.
No, in hypothesis. A theory is a model that can be applied to a certain situation or occurrence and will correctly predict the results. The theory of gravity states that an object held aloft and released will fall to the earth. Testing the theory reveals the outcome to be supporting of the theory.
Your `theory`, however, falls short of the mark. You seem to think that people can`t be happy without God. Hey y`know what? If being a Christian makes you happy, good for you. I`m happy for you. What about the millions of people who have never known the name of God? Are they all unhappy as well? Was everyone miserable until about 2000 years ago, when Christianity began to flourish? Of course not.
The light of your life might be the being you call God, but your own life can`t be applied as a model to everyone else`s. God needs me more than I need him.
To magicaltoast: I have read that none of the famous historians of the first century ever noted a man from Israel. About the bodies of saints, look up the body of Lenin. his body is guessing about 80 years old and it is almost perfect. because it is very well preserved. as for this cry statue i have found very little on the internet bout it is at all.
I think you only go around pointing out to others what`s wrong with their lives because there`s something wrong with yours, namely that you choose to believe a collection of stories that have little or no basis in reality and fact. The people in the Bible believe that the stars are little points that can be caught in the hand and stamped upon.
If anything, today`s knowledge that stars are vast just makes Christian beliefs that much more fantastical and wonderful to the believer, and that much more ridiculous to the non-believer.
My faith lies with the belief that I go through life doing what I think is the right thing, then maybe that`ll mean I`ve led a good life. We only get one chance, I`d suggest you stop being God`s lapdog and live your own life.
Why are those bombs made in the first place? Well, to either kill people, or to defend your own people from being killed. But why attack people in the first place?
More often than not it`s religion. Sometimes other factors are involved, but a hell of a lot of atrocities are committed in the name of someone`s God. Do you think scientists enjoy making such weapons? Einstein himself stated that if he had known the Germans would not succeed in creating nuclear weapons then he would not have helped the US. Oppenheimer reported on the first nuclear explosion with tears in his eyes, stating that he had "become Death."
What about the suicide bombings and beheadings and stuff that Muslim radicals commit?
How the drat do you know?
Let`s not forget, all the energy in the universe propelled the Big Bang, and is still propelling it. There are 3 ways this can go:
1. The Big Freeze. The universe continues to expand until it is too big, at which point it will cool and then freeze.
2. The Big Crunch. The universe will reach a point, and then under it`s own gravity collapse under it`s own weight, much like a black hole. This is the most favourable option, as it will most likely lead to a new universe and it`s probable ours was born of such an event.
3. Static universe, where it stops expanding and reaches a state of equilibrium before it gets the chance to cool and freeze.
Research indicates it is still expanding.
If the catholic king weren`t catholic, would he have tried to take the Holy Land?
If those people who waste their lives killing others and themselves weren`t Muslim, would they still do it?
The answer is no. People fight over many things and religious belief is one of them.
And i am not sure which is which but:93/97% of all wars have a direct connection with the church or religion in general.93/97% of all Christians are not true Christians.
I end with a joke:A religious war is like children fighting over who has the strongest imaginary friend.
Thus concludes my post-thingy. If there is some flaw in this or something, please tell me so I know.
And hi! I am magicalToast and I have just made my first posts on IAB! How are you? =D
The matter that religion caused war and the like also came up. I believe that religion did not caused war. People caused it. Just because some Catholic King wanted to start the Crusades, it doesn’t mean that all Catholics believed in that. Just because some Muslims wanted to plant bombs in places, it doesn’t mean all Muslims do the same thing. Just because some Asians believe seafood is delicious, does it mean ALL Asians like seafood? Just because some Caucasians believe vanilla ice cream should be the #1 flavor, does it mean ALL Caucasians believe etc. etc.? Get my point?
As for this science-cell-thingy that was created, maybe God wanted scientists to create it. This type of knowledge would help us later in life.
I do not mean to impose my belief on others. I’m just simply stating my belief. If I have offended you in some way, I apologize. It’s not my intention. I respect your beliefs. It’s just the &
Nothing has been PROVEN yet. There is some EVIDENCE of the Big Bang and some EVIDENCE of God and some EVIDENCE that some other thing was right. People believe based on the evidence given to them. Why insult them on the way he/she was raised up?
We all don’t really know God’s intention for the misfortune in the world, and we probably don’t know what’s His plan right now. So why are we saying stuff like God thinks this is bad or good? Or God wants that and such? If it’s in the Bible, would you please post the verses so I may see? Thank you very much if you do so.
Science, if used in the right way, is very helpful indeed. But I highly doubt science can an
Laugh my f*cking arse off.
If I ever become President of the World, I want you on my team. If I only had 30 seconds on TV to make my point, I would use your post my man.
High motherf*ckin 5.
2 all the athiests that just love 2 bash theists, and fellow christians cuz its funny as hell:
these are two things that i have heard that express this:
You sit there behind your COMPUTER, posting via the INTERNET your opinion which is read by the worldwide community behind their COMPUTERS that SCIENCE IS BAD and we`d be better off without it.
It`s like the Amish using a telephone to complain that technology is evil.
Grow up, you hypocrite, go back to the Stone Age. You`ll have your Bible to keep you warm. Wanker.
I agree with you completely. There is no argument between atheist/agnostic scientists (most of whom are very good people who lead the "decent life" you rightly describe) and Christians. We just have different points of view on certain aspects of our existence, and that should be encouraged and tolerated.
I agree wholeheartedly with your idea of an almighty "God". If he`s such a petty b*stard to send me to "hell" because I lead a good life while being skeptical of the guy in the face of evidence, then he`s a jealous, vindictive being and I wouldn`t consider him to be a good, just God.
If all Christians (Muslims/Jews/Atheists) were as open-minded as ou, the world would not be in the state it`s in right now.
Or how about that fact that since 1901-2001 socialist Atheists have killed over 100,000,000 people, and that ghastly number rises each day.
Science is great!
Well, I have (I`m a recovering Christian), and to quote Dawkins, the "God" of the [Biblical] Old Testament is possibly the most unpleasant character in all fiction.
The Bible is an instruction manual on mass genocide, race-hate, fear-mongering, child abuse and oppression (especially of women).
To make the last point, here`s a quote from 1 Timothy 2, verses 11-12 (King James Version):
"11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (no bullsh*t, look it up)
Do any of you guys who hold up the bible as our source of morality, as the book by which we should live our lives, actually have any idea what is written in there?
I`ll put my money on science, rather than a 2000+ year old book of fables.
THANK YOU millamopico.(i am not trying to be an ass, its hard to represent tone of voice in text)
just another reason towards christians (not nessecarily against.) Who says "God" doesnt want this to happen? because if you all beleive in "Him" the almighty powerful way you do, that he wouldn`t simply stop it and smite the heathens?
The way I see religion, an almighty "God" shouldn`t care if or how you worship, just simply if you lead a decent life and act towards others as you should, and make something of yourself. I don`t see why any higher being would care, as long as you didn`t go about bashing other people and what they do.
Does anyone agree?
Now if the universe had randomly expanded. Would it not have reached it`s overload point years ago? Would it be no different then a balloon? Exploded after it expanded so much? The laws of physics demand it.
And converseUK, no that`s not how I chose my debates, but I thought since you and I were both here, I`d defend what I believe in, since you`re doing the same. And we have free will, people choose their own paths in this world. and yes, I know what the argument to that is, "we can`t have free will with an omnipresent being."
I`m sorry, but you`re happy life seems to have a lot of roadblocks. Oh, you can`t have sex before marriage? Unlucky.
Looks like you`ll be staying on Virginity Street for quite a while, right?
Or are you going to tell me you`re one of these `religious types` who pick and choose.
Here are the possibilities and problems as i see it:1. God(where did god come from to cause the big bang?)2.M-theory(the theory itself is still incomplete)
the thing about the big bang is that modern physics can explain every even in the universe back until .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds after the big bang. The problem is that current phyics is divided into quantum physics and Macro(not the right word but serves the point)physics. The problem is the big bang requires equation that combined both together(m-theory). The law that govern that fraction of time are not yet understood.
Now it is a fact that in an expirament done by Stanley Miller, I belive, proved that from completely inorganic material(Hydrogen, Ammonia, Sulfur, and other things) was heated and eletric current was run through it, organce ammino acids (among other things) formed. This is key because the gases and liquid that were used are believed to have been on primordial earth. The heat represent the warm CO2 rich atmosphere and the electricity represents lighting. This proves that organic matter can come from inorganic matter.
But I know this won`t happen. Everyone always wants to prove that they are right. For example, WWII. Hitler wanted to kill catholics because they didn`t think Tojo was the next savior.
Or what about the 9-11 attacks. Some people are Islamic radicals. They believe that everyone should be Islamic. Also some say that this was because of Americas stupid gov`t did it to them selves. No body will ever win. Fights on who is right or wrong will last until the two sides kill each other.
You will all then be astonished to know that we came from a rock [really more like organic molecules, nitrogen, carbon, oxygen, methane, etc.], rather than a pile of `goop.`
I`m saying that putting it down to `god` is physically and scientifically impossible.
In all honesty, its a stupid argument made up of, literally, thin air.
Religion was good in the past. It taught a lot of valuable stuff to people, for example the eating of certain meats. It`s a fact that at the time and place, some meats should be avoided as they`d be harmful, and religion found a way of teaching this.
However, with power, religions started controlling people. It prevented the advancement of scientific discovery. Did you know that Galileo was put under house arrest for his discoveries? Only recently did the church appologise and admit they were wrong to science.
I`m not going to let a bunch of bible-bashers control how far we advance as a race.
I, personally, believe in the laws of equivalent exchange. You can`t create something from nothing, and it is wrong to try and create (Or bring back)life.
Religion only leads to people getting pissed off with other people. Religion is the cause of this whole debate in the first place.
Or do you also believe that we don`t chose our actions and we`re all part of a preplanned existence?
Wow, what a way to take all the joys out of living.
`Hey so like you`re not original in any way at all. Basically theres this guy sitting on a cloud making us do everything. Oh, evolution? Just a myth...ignore all that proof we have.`
religion is a story made to control the masses.Its what makes this world a pooty place, without religion there would not be many wars. but if there were no wars the world would be over populated, still i don`t think religion has any place in the modern world.
The problem is that the bible thumber most likely will try to prevent this taking place. I strongly oppose this.
B. I`d like to tell you to cut the religion-bashing please! :) We all have our own beliefs, and we can choose what to believe, so I can choose to believe in God, thank you very much! I understand that you might not believe in God but there`s no need to yell at the people who DO believe in God. :)
Thank you for listening :)
ConserseUK I`ll take up your offer for a debate.Allow me to start... Science is a sham. There is no proof that the Big Bang Theory/Evolution exists and is merely a hobby. Science is in fact causing more trouble then we`re asking for. If I went around telling people that everything around us, trees, animals, and humans came from chance, why I`d sound like an arrogant bastard.
If you religious nuts really hate progress that much go live with the bloody amish.
Tell me, anyone, who made God? Perhaps He was always there. Or, maybe, he was created. God could have a mother and father and maybe even a whole family. Now there`s a thought: perhaps we`re all part of some Biblical project for a teenage God`s science class. Perhaps he lets stuff like AIDS and earthquakes happen simply because he finds it fun, just like we might find it fun to pull the wings off a fly.
Or, maybe, religion is bollocks and God doesn`t exist. Here`s the deal though. I don`t know if there`s some higher being Up There who controls all. It`s not something I`d imagine I`d ever know. But I do know that the God described in the Bible is fake. The Bible is a collection of stories that have been blown up out of all proportion. We might as well make a religion out of the Canterbury Tales.
God is dead.
Kid`s got style.
Allow me to start...`god` does not exist. There is no proof that `he/she/it` exists, and is merely a belief. Religion is in fact a mental illness...if I went around telling everyone I had an imaginery friend, I`d be called insane.
notice, its called comments for a reason.
WHAT IS "playing God" anyways? It`s called evolution. We grow smarter and need to satisfy our need to advance. Call it "playing god," I call it saving our asses. This could be one of the greatest things ever, and could sure as hell help out this and other generations in solving some of the world`s problems.
Not to be perverted or anything tho...can`t us guys make life with, eh, a certain part of the body? All you really need to do is find a way to keep them alive, and study how theyre made, thats creating life right there.
"We`re talking about a technology that could change our world in pretty fundamental ways—in fact, in ways that are IMPOSSIBLE to predict."
"But them getting out and taking over, never in our imaginat
when someone says they are making a cake from scratch, that doesn`t mean they are making their own matter, does it?
Or what one should assume with how they worded it.
what difference does it make how you name all the thinks that are outside the knowledge of mankind. some call it god, some think there is nothing (which can also not be proofed) some think there is a plan that is just to be discovered but not a person.....no matter what we think...fact is....because it is outside of our knowledge we do not know....so we can only be agnostic about it....there could be something or there could be nothing....everything in this sector is just believing something and this is personal and should be tolerated by everyone
big difference. end of the world is not coming.
because even when they put together fatty acids and established dna. it still leaves the question open where did the dna and the membrane come from in the first place and who or what brought them together. it is pretty arrogant to say something like wow we are so great and create life. when in reality we just play arround with existing building blocks...and even in this respect we are pretty lame.
And even if they "created" life in a previously unknown way, it does not mean that they created a life. They say they can make it "from scratch"? Well guess what? God made the "scatch".