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146 Responses to Scientists Close to Creating Artificial Life

  1. Profile photo of Snoogans
    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    August 20, 2007 at 8:58 pm
    Link: Scientists Close to Creating Artificial Life - 3 to 7 years left and counting.
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    Igmo Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:16 am
    Wow.
  3. Profile photo of xp
    xp Male 30-39
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:18 am
    Life getting loose and running rampant? "Never in our imagination could this happen." --Famous last words...
  4. Profile photo of headwound
    headwound Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:24 am
    I don`t know if I should be scared sh*tless or completely astonished
  5. Profile photo of Gh4z
    Gh4z Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:32 am
    Wow, nice... that could be SO useful tbh
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    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:35 am
    that would never work. first u need some clay then u need gods touch. stupids
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    kaseyface Female 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:39 am
    This is so wrong.

    And even if they "created" life in a previously unknown way, it does not mean that they created a life. They say they can make it "from scratch"? Well guess what? God made the "scatch".

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    razordragon Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:06 am
    3-10 years until the end of the world more like.
  9. Profile photo of macedonpimp
    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:08 am
    hell yea kaseyface
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    marvinius Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:09 am
    i don`t think that is doing the science in general well if such arrogant overstated articles are published because since i am a scientist myself i know that in principle we as humans do not know anything and by far cannot "create" in any other sense than copy and paste from existing materials.

    because even when they put together fatty acids and established dna. it still leaves the question open where did the dna and the membrane come from in the first place and who or what brought them together. it is pretty arrogant to say something like wow we are so great and create life. when in reality we just play arround with existing building blocks...and even in this respect we are pretty lame.

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    jagger04 Male 50-59
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:18 am
    guys, to clear things up. they are not making humans from scratch. just life-sustaining cells.

    big difference. end of the world is not coming.

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    tourettes Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:22 am
    make artificial vaginas! woohoo!
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    marvinius Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:23 am
    sorry my browser makes trouble....
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    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:28 am
    then stop posting
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    PimpMan420 Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:38 am
    Yep, we`re doomed. Nice knowing all of you :D
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    swift_yelmut Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:39 am
    and so the god fanatics and the science jerks come out to have their arguments. oh well, it`s still neat. humans should take control of thier own existence. no point in throwing your life up to some other being and hoping to not get boned. then again humans are also stupid and tend to screw themselves over quite often over the pettiest of things. either way there is good and bad to be had.
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    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:49 am
    kaseyface: "Well guess what? God made the "scatch"."

    And who made god? let me guess, he was always there, right? How convenient.....

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    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:02 am
    yea it is convenient cuz ur alive bitch
  19. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:04 am
    "yea it is convenient cuz ur alive bitch"

    Me being alive is your proof that god exists ?

  20. Profile photo of macedonpimp
    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:11 am
    not the only proof
  21. Profile photo of macedonpimp
    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:12 am
    just sayin its convenient 4 u cuz god gave u life
  22. Profile photo of macedonpimp
    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:13 am
    manijac i got all nite bring it
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    AK-047 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:24 am
    Most impressive.
  24. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:56 am
    "just sayin its convenient 4 u cuz god gave u life"

    god gave me life he?
    personally?

    Do you also think that lighting and thunder means that god is angry?

    Or do you just believe that everything that we don`t have an explanation for yet, is the work of god?

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    marvinius Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:10 am
    @mani-jac

    what difference does it make how you name all the thinks that are outside the knowledge of mankind. some call it god, some think there is nothing (which can also not be proofed) some think there is a plan that is just to be discovered but not a person.....no matter what we think...fact is....because it is outside of our knowledge we do not know....so we can only be agnostic about it....there could be something or there could be nothing....everything in this sector is just believing something and this is personal and should be tolerated by everyone

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    MetalicDemon Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:29 am
    I agree with xp myself
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    AtomicMuffin Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:31 am
    Made from scratch? So they`re doing the impossible and making their own matter?

    Or what one should assume with how they worded it.

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    jagger04 Male 50-59
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:43 am
    ^^they`re making life from scratch not matter.

    when someone says they are making a cake from scratch, that doesn`t mean they are making their own matter, does it?

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    AtomicMuffin Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:54 am
    I guess you`re right, I`ve never really had a strong grasp on that `saying`.
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    UndKeineEier Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 6:18 am
    You`re f`ing hilarious, macedonpimp.
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    ScrtNinja Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 6:21 am
    it can solve many important issues in our world today...like eating toxic waste...wtf
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    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:25 am
    Artifical Life....Sorry, But that just sounds like a nice way of saying undead to me. Eating toxic waste? I`d best get my shotgun ready. Sigh...
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    Fox4Brawl Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:55 am
    i gotta agree with mani-jac. You can`t say God did everything. Im not atheist, something created the first things, but you cant tell me, that as old and huge as the universe is,that there is no life on other planets.

    WHAT IS "playing God" anyways? It`s called evolution. We grow smarter and need to satisfy our need to advance. Call it "playing god," I call it saving our asses. This could be one of the greatest things ever, and could sure as hell help out this and other generations in solving some of the world`s problems.

    Not to be perverted or anything tho...
    can`t us guys make life with, eh, a certain part of the body? All you really need to do is find a way to keep them alive, and study how theyre made, thats creating life right there.

    "We`re talking about a technology that could change our world in pretty fundamental ways—in fact, in ways that are IMPOSSIBLE to predict."

    "But them getting out and taking over, never in our imaginat

  34. Profile photo of Fox4Brawl
    Fox4Brawl Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:56 am
    ion." uhhhhh....
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    blipflip Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 8:34 am
    Oh the FEAR! Scientists are making BLOBS! I am an angry and bewildered internet commenter without any scientific knowledge but with a lot of wonderful opinions to share!
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    robb0mayte Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:26 am
    w.t.f^^ nice sarcasm lols :P
  37. Profile photo of Fox4Brawl
    Fox4Brawl Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:29 am
    blipflip

    notice, its called comments for a reason.

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    walrusgod Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:48 am
    religion is the stupidest idea ive ever heard. i agree with mani-jac. there is NO evidence at all for it. the bible doesnt make sense either. religion is the same as alternative medicine, like homeopathy etc and things like astrology.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:48 am
    God will punish us all for this.
  40. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:55 am
    Macedonpimp, I`ll take up your offer for a debate.

    Allow me to start...`god` does not exist. There is no proof that `he/she/it` exists, and is merely a belief. Religion is in fact a mental illness...if I went around telling everyone I had an imaginery friend, I`d be called insane.

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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:08 am
    ^^ Look on the bright side, he`s wearing classic all-stars.

    Kid`s got style.

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:19 am
    I was wondering how long it would take before the God-botherers crawled out of the woodwork.

    Tell me, anyone, who made God? Perhaps He was always there. Or, maybe, he was created. God could have a mother and father and maybe even a whole family. Now there`s a thought: perhaps we`re all part of some Biblical project for a teenage God`s science class. Perhaps he lets stuff like AIDS and earthquakes happen simply because he finds it fun, just like we might find it fun to pull the wings off a fly.

    Or, maybe, religion is bollocks and God doesn`t exist. Here`s the deal though. I don`t know if there`s some higher being Up There who controls all. It`s not something I`d imagine I`d ever know. But I do know that the God described in the Bible is fake. The Bible is a collection of stories that have been blown up out of all proportion. We might as well make a religion out of the Canterbury Tales.

    God is dead.

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    NorwayFTW Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:35 am
    Nobody cares if scientists make a new and better car, but the second anyone as much as touches their beliefs it`s a sin and playing God etc. etc.

    If you religious nuts really hate progress that much go live with the bloody amish.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:55 am
    I know. The big Bang THEORY, is a perfectly logical THEORY. `Much better then the prospect that we could possibly have been made by intelligence...`

    "= sarcasm.

    ConserseUK I`ll take up your offer for a debate.
    Allow me to start... Science is a sham. There is no proof that the Big Bang Theory/Evolution exists and is merely a hobby. Science is in fact causing more trouble then we`re asking for. If I went around telling people that everything around us, trees, animals, and humans came from chance, why I`d sound like an arrogant bastard.

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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:57 am
    Walrusgod, have you ever read the bible?
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    headwound Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:58 am
    in after christfags
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    Lixa123 Female 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:58 am
    A. Cool! Artificial life! Make the perfect person without robotics. XD

    B. I`d like to tell you to cut the religion-bashing please! :) We all have our own beliefs, and we can choose what to believe, so I can choose to believe in God, thank you very much! I understand that you might not believe in God but there`s no need to yell at the people who DO believe in God. :)

    Thank you for listening :)

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    NorwayFTW Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:06 pm
    B. I`d like to tell you to cut the religion-bashing please! :) We all have our own beliefs, and we can choose what to believe, so I can choose to believe in God, thank you very much! I understand that you might not believe in God but there`s no need to yell at the people who DO believe in God. :)

    The problem is that the bible thumber most likely will try to prevent this taking place. I strongly oppose this.

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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:10 pm
    id rather have a robotic arm than an organic if i loose it...but i will be dead before thats possible.

    religion is a story made to control the masses.
    Its what makes this world a pooty place, without religion there would not be many wars. but if there were no wars the world would be over populated, still i don`t think religion has any place in the modern world.

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    hilbillyjo Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:36 pm
    Yay, they trampled all over the laws of equivalent exchange! Homonculi are coming!
  51. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:43 pm
    Ah JohnnyK...Already throwing words into my mouth, I hope that`s not how you`d normally chose to debate...

    Or do you also believe that we don`t chose our actions and we`re all part of a preplanned existence?

    Wow, what a way to take all the joys out of living.

    `Hey so like you`re not original in any way at all. Basically theres this guy sitting on a cloud making us do everything. Oh, evolution? Just a myth...ignore all that proof we have.`

  52. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:45 pm
    Johnnyk123: Science may cause trouble such as people arguing, but religion has caused many more, on a much grander scale. The Crusades are only one historical example. These days we`ve got kids blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of religion.

    Religion only leads to people getting pissed off with other people. Religion is the cause of this whole debate in the first place.

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    hilbillyjo Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:46 pm
    After reading all these comments, I`m not going to argue, I`m just going to say that neither God or the Big Bang can be proven. There`s holes in both the theories, but you can believe what you want.

    I, personally, believe in the laws of equivalent exchange. You can`t create something from nothing, and it is wrong to try and create (Or bring back)life.

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:48 pm
    By the way, Johnnyk123, I`d suggest you look up your definition of theory because you`re confusing it with a hypothesis. A hypothesis is simply an idea or opinion that cannot be proved. A theory is an idea that answers all the questions. The laws of gravity are a theory.
  55. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:50 pm
    While I`m here...

    Religion was good in the past. It taught a lot of valuable stuff to people, for example the eating of certain meats. It`s a fact that at the time and place, some meats should be avoided as they`d be harmful, and religion found a way of teaching this.

    However, with power, religions started controlling people. It prevented the advancement of scientific discovery. Did you know that Galileo was put under house arrest for his discoveries? Only recently did the church appologise and admit they were wrong to science.

    I`m not going to let a bunch of bible-bashers control how far we advance as a race.

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    hilbillyjo Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:52 pm
    ConeverseUK and KMeTG, you can`t explain the beginning of the universe. Don`t even try. No one can. Not even religious people.
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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 12:54 pm
    I`m not trying to hilbillyjo...

    I`m saying that putting it down to `god` is physically and scientifically impossible.

    In all honesty, its a stupid argument made up of, literally, thin air.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 1:57 pm
    Why do idiots, and YECs come into here? This experiment is being done to prove that abiogenesis is possible, and when it becomes a water-tight scientific theory, then we don`t need God for `why` we got here.

    You will all then be astonished to know that we came from a rock , rather than a pile of `goop.`

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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:07 pm
    Alright to recap...who remembers what the video was actually about?
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    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:42 pm
    great. now its gonna grow into a superhuman and enslave us all
  61. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:54 pm
    Oh no, hilbillyjo, it`s quite simple. A single point, known as a singularity, contained all the energy and matter in the universe. At some point around 13 billion years ago, it began to expand at a tremendous rate, akin to an explosion. Hence, the Big Bang. That was the beginning of the universe as we know it.

    Happy now?

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    pureBoredom Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 2:59 pm
    Wow. Lets give it a rest people, South Park explains everything. I`m sure if religion were dead, people (and giant sea otters riding ostriches) would fight over which scientific theory is better.
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    WMDs-R-Bad Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:10 pm
    reece1121
    You are my hero.
    As for the god matter, stick to your beliefs and respect someone elses point of view.

    But I know this won`t happen. Everyone always wants to prove that they are right. For example, WWII. Hitler wanted to kill catholics because they didn`t think Tojo was the next savior.

    Or what about the 9-11 attacks. Some people are Islamic radicals. They believe that everyone should be Islamic. Also some say that this was because of Americas stupid gov`t did it to them selves. No body will ever win. Fights on who is right or wrong will last until the two sides kill each other.

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:14 pm
    War doesn`t determine who is right, it determines who is left.
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    Titter Female 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:34 pm
    i wish religion and science would stop clashing. Its makes people argue.. which is not good.. but
    i think saying people cant create life because god made the life is like saying you cant make play dough things becase the factory made the play dough in the first place. We have things in the world that some people learn about and play around with to make new things and we`re learning how to create living things in new ways...
  66. Profile photo of mikepat992
    mikepat992 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:39 pm
    A few quick things:
    1. Hypotheses is the believe result of an experiment based on logical thought
    2. Theses is conclusion based on the result of an experiment
    3. A theory is a highly supported thesis with large amounts and percentages of evidence supporting it
    4. a law is an undisbutable fact of nature(at least four our universe)

    Now it is a fact that in an expirament done by Stanley Miller, I belive, proved that from completely inorganic material(Hydrogen, Ammonia, Sulfur, and other things) was heated and eletric current was run through it, organce ammino acids (among other things) formed. This is key because the gases and liquid that were used are believed to have been on primordial earth. The heat represent the warm CO2 rich atmosphere and the electricity represents lighting. This proves that organic matter can come from inorganic matter.

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    mikepat992 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 3:48 pm
    (ran out of space)
    It can be proven that the heavier elements in this scenario(carbon, oxygen, ammonia) were created by fusion and supernova in stars. The stars were formed by hydrogen gas collecting. The origin of the hydrogen gas is the matter produced in the big bang. The only real argument that should be discussed is what casued the big bang.

    Here are the possibilities and problems as i see it:
    1. God(where did god come from to cause the big bang?)
    2.M-theory(the theory itself is still incomplete)

    the thing about the big bang is that modern physics can explain every even in the universe back until .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds after the big bang. The problem is that current phyics is divided into quantum physics and Macro(not the right word but serves the point)physics. The problem is the big bang requires equation that combined both together(m-theory). The law that govern that fraction of time are not yet understood.

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    Rise23Up Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:38 pm
    INSERT BIG PARAGRAPH ARGUING THEOLOGICAL VIEWS HERE!

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 4:45 pm
    There`s a whole book on it, called Genesis, I`m expecting some Bible-basher to come along and tell us that God made everything in 6 days "because it says so".
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    WDanC Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:14 pm
    Great . . giant wildabeasts will take over the world.
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    millamopico Female 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:21 pm
    wow. It`s amazing how science has advanced.
    and to my fellow christians:
    they`re not going to create humans.
    they`re creating a tiny water animal. Is it even munticellular?
    If it`s God`s plan for it to happen, it will.
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    mikepat992 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:37 pm
    Ok, I have on simple question for all theists, You read a book that has parts 2000 years old and others even older.... I read a book that is 70 years old that says there is an old man that live at the north pole and brings presents to people once a year for no reason, has a set of flying reindeer, and a bunch of toy making elves work for him. So what make your book more right than my book mine is even newer and more recent. And every year i wake one day and there are present at my house. So i assume you think that elves and flying reindeer exist?
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    Trogdor2 Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 5:38 pm
    Great, I go from playing Bioshock to hearing about this...
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    pwn112 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 6:07 pm
    This is all wrong. No human should ever play the role of god.
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    mikepat992 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 6:11 pm
    BS^
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    macedonpimp Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 6:28 pm
    u no wat, at this point idc if im rite or rong, but i can bet u that i am happier then all the athiests cuz i no that god will reward me 4 doing right and punish me 4 doing rong and i have a family that i love...and that if athiests and theists got in a war we would kick ur ass.
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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 6:42 pm
    ah macedonpimp, nice of you to join us again.

    I`m sorry, but you`re happy life seems to have a lot of roadblocks. Oh, you can`t have sex before marriage? Unlucky.

    Looks like you`ll be staying on Virginity Street for quite a while, right?

    Or are you going to tell me you`re one of these `religious types` who pick and choose.

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    headwound Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:28 pm
    I like macedonpimp; he is too funny.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:40 pm
    I wish IAB`s age profile would be more specific. There are big differences between age 13-17.
    I`m not pointing any fingers, but the spelling usually shows if the person is in the lower or upper numbers, or from another non english speaking country...If swedes would spell like a "1337 c00l haxor" like say english speaking minors would use 4 instead of for I would be ashamed to even give what he writes a second thought
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    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:41 pm
    KMeTG, There is no way we can prove everything that happened in the bible, so I guess we`re at a loss then. But then again, scientists are so prone to believe in carbon dating? Then why can`t our ancient text be as accurate as that? "Oh because it sound ridiculious!!!!1!11!" So does the thought of the universe randomly expanding.

    Now if the universe had randomly expanded. Would it not have reached it`s overload point years ago? Would it be no different then a balloon? Exploded after it expanded so much? The laws of physics demand it.


    And converseUK, no that`s not how I chose my debates, but I thought since you and I were both here, I`d defend what I believe in, since you`re doing the same. And we have free will, people choose their own paths in this world. and yes, I know what the argument to that is, "we can`t have free will with an omnipresent being."

  81. Profile photo of Fox4Brawl
    Fox4Brawl Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:42 pm
    wow. It`s amazing how science has advanced.
    and to my fellow christians:
    they`re not going to create humans.
    they`re creating a tiny water animal. Is it even munticellular?
    If it`s God`s plan for it to happen, it will.

    THANK YOU millamopico.
    (i am not trying to be an ass, its hard to represent tone of voice in text)

    just another reason towards christians (not nessecarily against.) Who says "God" doesnt want this to happen? because if you all beleive in "Him" the almighty powerful way you do, that he wouldn`t simply stop it and smite the heathens?

    The way I see religion, an almighty "God" shouldn`t care if or how you worship, just simply if you lead a decent life and act towards others as you should, and make something of yourself. I don`t see why any higher being would care, as long as you didn`t go about bashing other people and what they do.

    Does anyone agree?

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:48 pm
    A Bible-thumper on here asked a while ago "Have any of you actually READ the bible?"

    Well, I have (I`m a recovering Christian), and to quote Dawkins, the "God" of the Old Testament is possibly the most unpleasant character in all fiction.

    The Bible is an instruction manual on mass genocide, race-hate, fear-mongering, child abuse and oppression (especially of women).

    To make the last point, here`s a quote from 1 Timothy 2, verses 11-12 (King James Version):

    "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (no bullsh*t, look it up)

    Do any of you guys who hold up the bible as our source of morality, as the book by which we should live our lives, actually have any idea what is written in there?

    I`ll put my money on science, rather than a 2000+ year old book of fables.

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    August 21, 2007 at 7:48 pm

    And back to KMeTG: Ok! You`ve got me! Things that have happened hundreds of years ago! What about the bombs that science has created in the last 50-60? and the other weapons that scientists are creating that can literally kill millions in a split second.

    Or how about that fact that since 1901-2001 socialist Atheists have killed over 100,000,000 people, and that ghastly number rises each day.

    Science is great!

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    August 21, 2007 at 7:48 pm
    hmm. hehe
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 21, 2007 at 7:55 pm
    Fox4Brawl,

    I agree with you completely. There is no argument between atheist/agnostic scientists (most of whom are very good people who lead the "decent life" you rightly describe) and Christians. We just have different points of view on certain aspects of our existence, and that should be encouraged and tolerated.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your idea of an almighty "God". If he`s such a petty b*stard to send me to "hell" because I lead a good life while being skeptical of the guy in the face of evidence, then he`s a jealous, vindictive being and I wouldn`t consider him to be a good, just God.

    If all Christians (Muslims/Jews/Atheists) were as open-minded as ou, the world would not be in the state it`s in right now.

    High 5.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm
    Johnnek123,

    You sit there behind your COMPUTER, posting via the INTERNET your opinion which is read by the worldwide community behind their COMPUTERS that SCIENCE IS BAD and we`d be better off without it.

    It`s like the Amish using a telephone to complain that technology is evil.

    Grow up, you hypocrite, go back to the Stone Age. You`ll have your Bible to keep you warm. Wanker.

    Crap.

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    August 21, 2007 at 8:15 pm
    Half of me is very aggressive towards theists and the other half of my agrees with davymid and fox4brawl. But the one thing that i must say is about the huge irony of most religions that have a heaven and a hell. very long it will take about 3 posts.

    these are two things that i have heard that express this:

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    August 21, 2007 at 8:20 pm
    Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:19:12 PM
    "One night i dreamed i was looking along a beach with god, across the sky flashed scenes from my life. For each scene i noticed two sets of footprints in the sand, one belong to me and the other too god. But i noticed something strange, notice that many time along the path of my life there was only one set of footprints. I also noticed that it happened at the hardest times of my life. I said, "god, i have noticed that during the difficult times of my life there is only one set of footprints, i don`t understand why when i needed you the most you would leave me." God replied, "i didn`t leave you, during your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of foot prints, that is when i carried you,"
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    August 21, 2007 at 8:25 pm
    2 all the athiests that just love 2 bash theists:
    and thiests 2 cuz its funny as hell:

    2 all the athiests that just love 2 bash theists, and fellow christians cuz its funny as hell:

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    August 21, 2007 at 8:26 pm
    And i to said God, "You carried me? What the f@ck are you talking about! My dog died, my sister got killed in a car accident. Maybe instead of carrying me you could have just stopped those things from every happening. Did you ever think of that, you F@cking prick." And God replied, "you stupid human do not question the lord. I f@ck with you then i carry you, its something i just enjoy doing. If you don`t like it you can just go to hell.
    "Ok god. I`m sorry. I didn`t mean to hurt your feelings. I just don`t understand why you make everybody suffer so much just you can carry then on the beach. But thats cool, thats your thing. God, God, wait, wait, come back, please come back, God, i need you. I think I have cancer
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    August 21, 2007 at 8:36 pm
    Well, this only means that we have to wait another few million years before multi-celled organisms start spawning from petri dishes in university labs, and then a few more million years before our competition comes to the startling realization that we are awesome and cannot be trumped.
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    August 21, 2007 at 8:37 pm
    Mikepat992,

    Laugh my f*cking arse off.

    If I ever become President of the World, I want you on my team. If I only had 30 seconds on TV to make my point, I would use your post my man.

    High motherf*ckin 5.

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    August 21, 2007 at 8:43 pm
    The second one i don`t feel like typing out. Go to: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/index.html about a minute or to you will here someone doing stand up, that is the other one. feel free(everyone not just theist or atheist) to watch the rest of the movie. I have only watch part one personally but and in the process of watching the rest.
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    mikepat992 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 8:45 pm
    I can`t take the credit davymid. www.thegodmovie.com go to the sound track and listen to "the god who wasnt there" track #6.
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    August 21, 2007 at 8:51 pm
    my mistake for the http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/index.html sute it is more like 7 minutes in.
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    magicalToast Female 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:03 pm
    Wow. There has been a lot of religion vs. science debates going around IAB. Why can`t people believe what they want to believe? Does every opinion have to be insulted in some way? It`s one thing to post your belief, but it`s another thing to just insult someone else`s belief and saying that your right.

    Nothing has been PROVEN yet. There is some EVIDENCE of the Big Bang and some EVIDENCE of God and some EVIDENCE that some other thing was right. People believe based on the evidence given to them. Why insult them on the way he/she was raised up?

    We all don’t really know God’s intention for the misfortune in the world, and we probably don’t know what’s His plan right now. So why are we saying stuff like God thinks this is bad or good? Or God wants that and such? If it’s in the Bible, would you please post the verses so I may see? Thank you very much if you do so.

    Science, if used in the right way, is very helpful indeed. But I highly doubt science can an

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    August 21, 2007 at 9:03 pm
    swer EVERYTHING. Maybe close to it, but not all.

    The matter that religion caused war and the like also came up. I believe that religion did not caused war. People caused it. Just because some Catholic King wanted to start the Crusades, it doesn’t mean that all Catholics believed in that. Just because some Muslims wanted to plant bombs in places, it doesn’t mean all Muslims do the same thing. Just because some Asians believe seafood is delicious, does it mean ALL Asians like seafood? Just because some Caucasians believe vanilla ice cream should be the #1 flavor, does it mean ALL Caucasians believe etc. etc.? Get my point?

    As for this science-cell-thingy that was created, maybe God wanted scientists to create it. This type of knowledge would help us later in life.

    I do not mean to impose my belief on others. I’m just simply stating my belief. If I have offended you in some way, I apologize. It’s not my intention. I respect your beliefs. It’s just the &

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    August 21, 2007 at 9:04 pm
    “drat you; you are so stupid for thinking this”. We all had different lives so we have different beliefs.

    Thus concludes my post-thingy. If there is some flaw in this or something, please tell me so I know.

    And hi! I am magicalToast and I have just made my first posts on IAB! How are you? =D

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    And yes, Fox4Brawl, I agree with you. Sorry everyone for such a long comment. ^-^;;
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:18 pm
    one thing magicaltoast: Evidence of the existence of God... I have never heard any evidence pointing towards the existence of God. Please fill me in.

    And i am not sure which is which but:
    93/97% of all wars have a direct connection with the church or religion in general.
    93/97% of all Christians are not true Christians.

    I end with a joke:
    A religious war is like children fighting over who has the strongest imaginary friend.

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:24 pm
    Ask yourself this, magicalToast:

    If the catholic king weren`t catholic, would he have tried to take the Holy Land?

    If those people who waste their lives killing others and themselves weren`t Muslim, would they still do it?

    The answer is no. People fight over many things and religious belief is one of them.

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:29 pm
    "Now if the universe had randomly expanded. Would it not have reached it`s overload point years ago? Would it be no different then a balloon? Exploded after it expanded so much? The laws of physics demand it."

    How the drat do you know?

    Let`s not forget, all the energy in the universe propelled the Big Bang, and is still propelling it. There are 3 ways this can go:

    1. The Big Freeze. The universe continues to expand until it is too big, at which point it will cool and then freeze.

    2. The Big Crunch. The universe will reach a point, and then under it`s own gravity collapse under it`s own weight, much like a black hole. This is the most favourable option, as it will most likely lead to a new universe and it`s probable ours was born of such an event.

    3. Static universe, where it stops expanding and reaches a state of equilibrium before it gets the chance to cool and freeze.

    Research indicates it is still expanding.

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    August 21, 2007 at 9:31 pm
    By the way, the universe is not like a balloon in that a balloon is a container, while there is no such thing for the universe. It doesn`t expand into empty space, it makes the space as it goes. It`s not possible to reach the edge of the universe either. Space and Time are curved so that if you were to start at a point and keep going in the same direction, eventually you`d find yourself back where you started.
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:37 pm
    "Ok! You`ve got me! Things that have happened hundreds of years ago! What about the bombs that science has created in the last 50-60? and the other weapons that scientists are creating that can literally kill millions in a split second."

    Why are those bombs made in the first place? Well, to either kill people, or to defend your own people from being killed. But why attack people in the first place?

    More often than not it`s religion. Sometimes other factors are involved, but a hell of a lot of atrocities are committed in the name of someone`s God. Do you think scientists enjoy making such weapons? Einstein himself stated that if he had known the Germans would not succeed in creating nuclear weapons then he would not have helped the US. Oppenheimer reported on the first nuclear explosion with tears in his eyes, stating that he had "become Death."

    What about the suicide bombings and beheadings and stuff that Muslim radicals commit?

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    August 21, 2007 at 9:42 pm
    I don`t think cool then freeze is the right phrase. The proper scientific explanation is that all energy transfers to heat were it is unusable and entropy reaches a maximum and all process stop and the universe becomes static
  106. Profile photo of tayreed
    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:56 pm
    wow, nice @ kmetg`s first post... quote nietsche (sp?) a guy who basically thought he figured out that "God is dead, everythings permissable, so I can do anything, so life has no point" Guess what he ultimately got from believing his own theory?? He went insane and died alone.. i`d find another source of wisdom kmetg. I luv how you point out the stupidity of doctrine from the bible, while you quote and teach from nietsche`s philosophy...
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    August 21, 2007 at 9:59 pm
    mikepat992, if you believe in the Bible, then the Bible could be evidence of God. There are also some documentations of Jesus. These documents, Jesus being the son of God or the Holy Lord or whatever you believe, could be used as evidence. The crying Statue of Fatima could be used as evidence. The dead uncorrupted bodies of some saints could be used as evidence. These "Healing Waters" whether you wish to believe in them could be used as evidence. Etc. etc. This doesn`t PROVE anything. It`s evidence. Just like the evidence of evolution and the Big Bang theory. It doesn`t PROVE it. It`s evidence that supports the hypothesis.
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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:06 pm
    btw, theres an element of christianity that is called faith. the bible even explains that the ideas of the bible will seem foolish to them until they are saved and the holy spirit shall open there eyes. It also says that Satan blinds the eyes of the unbelievers. NOT A DIRECT QUOTE< JUST THE JIST OF IT. basically, im sorry, i feel bad for you... I may sound stupid but, you..yes you .. you know something is missing in your life.. you feel it and know it.. but your going to argue and look to science to fill this void.. but you are looking to the wrong place. you need GOD! Im telling the truth, i sincerely recomend that you stop wasting your time, and once you are a christian (*not a hypocrite) you will feel sorry for others.. and you will wish that you would have given christianity a true effort earlier.. seriously, try it!! you`ll see! im not trying to be judgemental, im trying to help .. :)
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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:07 pm
    them as in unbelievers, sorry... oh and when i talk to you im referring to you if ur a nonchristian
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:07 pm
    KMeTG, like I said, we were all raised differently. Actually I believe that the Catholic King was a hypocrite, although I believe in God as well. If he truly understood his religion, then he would have known that there is something called the the Ten Commandments and other such verses in the Bible that are against his actions of killing. Maybe if he wasn`t raised to be a brutal and power-hunger king, he wouldn`t have done the Crusades. I think it was his attitude and ignorance of his religion that made him do what he did--not being Catholic. However, I am not 100% sure of what the Muslims believe so I have no right to call them hypocrites, but what if the bombers had the same attitudes as those who do not bomb? Same religion. Just different life-style. Yes, people fight over religious things. But I think it`s because people were brought up to fight like that--not because they are that religion.
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:20 pm
    i love tayreed and magicaltoast gj guys
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    NumbuhZero Female 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:21 pm
    Ho snap.
    It`s a god war in the IAB.
    Because all smart people with valid opinions argue on the internet.
    And yes, I do see the irony.
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:23 pm
    tayreed your sympathy is much appreciated, however I`d like to point out that while my life isn`t perfect, I don`t think there`s any gaps that religion can fill.

    I think you only go around pointing out to others what`s wrong with their lives because there`s something wrong with yours, namely that you choose to believe a collection of stories that have little or no basis in reality and fact. The people in the Bible believe that the stars are little points that can be caught in the hand and stamped upon.

    If anything, today`s knowledge that stars are vast just makes Christian beliefs that much more fantastical and wonderful to the believer, and that much more ridiculous to the non-believer.

    My faith lies with the belief that I go through life doing what I think is the right thing, then maybe that`ll mean I`ve led a good life. We only get one chance, I`d suggest you stop being God`s lapdog and live your own life.

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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:23 pm
    ahem.. um lol hehe
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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:26 pm
    sorry man, but im truly happy where i`m at.. .. thanks for the suggestion tho :)
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    mikepat992 Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:27 pm
    To tayreed: I am an atheist and i don`t feel any part of my life missing i feel successful and living a good life. I have no problem with my life being the end of it all. Form some reason this thought seems to be horrific to some people. I believe that the purpose of life it to procreate. Plain and simple.

    To magicaltoast: I have read that none of the famous historians of the first century ever noted a man from Israel. About the bodies of saints, look up the body of Lenin. his body is guessing about 80 years old and it is almost perfect. because it is very well preserved.
    as for this cry statue i have found very little on the internet bout it is at all.

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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:31 pm
    hey,
    well if what your saying is true, more power to you! thats commendable.. but unfortunately I think that what your saying isn`t true, your trying to comfort the fact that it isnt by pretending it is, and you start to actually believe it. In theory. btw, u cant use this argument against me cuz i used it against u first. hehe :\ lol
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:37 pm
    "In theory"

    No, in hypothesis. A theory is a model that can be applied to a certain situation or occurrence and will correctly predict the results. The theory of gravity states that an object held aloft and released will fall to the earth. Testing the theory reveals the outcome to be supporting of the theory.

    Your `theory`, however, falls short of the mark. You seem to think that people can`t be happy without God. Hey y`know what? If being a Christian makes you happy, good for you. I`m happy for you. What about the millions of people who have never known the name of God? Are they all unhappy as well? Was everyone miserable until about 2000 years ago, when Christianity began to flourish? Of course not.

    The light of your life might be the being you call God, but your own life can`t be applied as a model to everyone else`s. God needs me more than I need him.

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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:43 pm
    lol, sorry about that mistake... i just wish that that mistake hadn`t hindered and completely changed what I meant to say... lol. actually, there I believe that God (as he created man) knows their hearts, and if a certain person or people group hasnt heard the gospel, he can decide based on their innate sense of right and wrong, senses and conscience where they generally belong.. btw, r u a secular humanist? or marxist/ leninist? jw
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    eleutherarch Female 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:50 pm
    Blah blah blah, science VS religion war...BOOOORING and VERY POINTLESS.
    Please comment on what you think about artificial life perhaps becoming possible in a few years, they have forums and what not for discussing your view on religion and science.
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    eleutherarch Female 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:52 pm
    Anywaaaaay...
    This could come in handy if used for good, but if it was put into the wrong hands...you could probably do some damage to our planet and what lives upon it.
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 10:59 pm
    "r u a secular humanist? or marxist/ leninist?"

    I dunno. I`m just me, and I think religion is bollocks. The only religion I`ve so far come across that I like is Buddhism, and that`s because it concentrates on the teachings of a man instead of a God. And I happen to agree with some of those teachings.

    Some of the things Jesus said had some point to them that was very relevant, but the Bible is too unstructured and self-contradictory to be taken seriously. Here`s how the Bible was written:

    Person A makes a statement, B listens. B repeats, C listens. C discusses it with friends D and E, D goes away to tell F while E writes it down. F writes another version and gets it different to E. E and F compare and ask D for help. D can no longer remember the story accurately. D, E, and F collaborate on the best version of events. G reads it and tells H about it. H uses it as the inspiration for his own story. Eventually someone compiles it. Voila, Bible.

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    August 21, 2007 at 11:01 pm
    lol icic
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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:05 pm
    im gonna go 2 bed soon.. ttyl
  125. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:08 pm
    `night dude
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    tayreed Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:14 pm
    yea g`nite
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    redflare Male 13-17
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    August 21, 2007 at 11:41 pm
    Terminator countdown:

    3-7 years and counting.

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    hilbillyjo Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2007 at 10:04 am
    You see, for you people who aren`t religious, science can`t explain everything that`s happened. And neither can religion. But that`s what people believe. So don`t go spreading your science crap like it can explain everything (KMeTG) because it can`t!
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2007 at 1:08 pm
    Hey, Billy, when are you going to crawl out from under your rock?
  130. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 22, 2007 at 7:28 pm
    Granted, science can`t explain everything. But true science is about learning the facts while religion is about settling for the most convenient idea. In the Bible, people seem to think that the stars are tiny dots that can literally be held in the hand. That`s because they look like it. Science has found otherwise.

    Science is flawed like anything, but if the desire to learn the facts didn`t exist, people would still be living in caves dancing to stop the lightning.

    It`s not about explaining everything. There`s probably an answer for everything if you`re religious. But is it the right answer?

    Is it bollocks.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2007 at 7:41 pm
    KMeTG,

    You`re right, science can`t explain everything, but science is closing the gaps all the time. It pisses me off this creationist/religious idea of "Oh, we can`t explain this or that particular phenomenon now with science, therefore God must have done it". That`s right. It`s not down to the laws of physics/chemistry/mathematics. It was the great unreachable, unknowable Sky Fairy that did it. Cause it says so in this book I`ve got here. I`ve got a book, it`s called Harry F*cking Potter.

    There is a place for religion in society, and in people`s private lives. But don`t you religious nuts try to make out like it`s "Religion or Science, take your pick", because it`s a losing battle for you.

    Keep religion in it`s place, and keep science in it`s place (it`s called progress).

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    August 22, 2007 at 9:59 pm
    Gotta love Science.
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    B3nt Male 18-29
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    August 23, 2007 at 2:33 am
    KMeTG, davymid, you guys are my heros. Tayreed, little boy you are WAY out of your league in this argument. And no, modern psychology does not mention RELIGION as a requirement for self-actualization... or is psychology bogus now as well? You Jesus freaks appall me. All that us science lovers/atheists/anti-christians/ anti-religionists want is for you religious types to leave us the FU<K alone. Stay out of our lives, stop preaching to us, stop lobbying legislation to create laws that take away MY liberty just so that you can feel as if you are in good standing with your "Sky Fairy".
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    waltos Male 18-29
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    August 23, 2007 at 1:31 pm
    Why does everyone look at the stereotype?A person can be Christian and believe that science answers questions. Does it not make sense to people that God could have guided the universe subtly throughout it`s existance.
    A person can be atheist and not be an evil follower of satan who will be damned for eternity.
    Having experienced both atheism and religion I remain agnostic. Saying that there`s GOT to be something is stupid. Saying that there CAN`T be something is equally stupid. There`s always two explanations to every event, one on each side, and only thought and deliberation can find them.
    I like to think if there is something, a power, it won`t mind about belief, but how the life was lived, how kind etc.Who`s living that here? The christians that yell at everyone for playing God, is that taking the forgiving stance of Jesus? The atheists scorning at belief, we`re all humanity, do you have no sense of empathy? You may not believe in religion, but what of morality? Help others
  135. Profile photo of Johnnyk123
    Johnnyk123 Male 18-29
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    August 23, 2007 at 5:01 pm
    If science was convincing anyone, then atheists wouldn`t be such a vast minority. Around 2.5% of the woulds population. And Christianity, mainly Catholicism is growing.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2007 at 8:18 pm
    Waltos,

    Excellent post, and thoughtful comments. I completely agree with you. And for the record, I am raging here not against Christians (or Muslims, or Hindus). I believe it`s more important to modern society to be a good and moral person. What religion someone belongs to is actually irrelevant.

    My rant is against those religious nuts who come out guns blazing as an opponent to science. I am a professional scientist (PhD Geology) so for me it is more than just stupidity, it is a personal insult to my whole life, my career, everything.

    Science can`t prove everything, and religion can prove nothing. I denounce any religious nut who comes out as an opponent to scientific progress because it disagrees with your book. I equally denounce so-called atheists who immediately attack any religious idea. You`re just lowering yourselves to their level.

    Everything in it`s place. Science in real life, Religion in the faith. Whatever helps people sleep at night.

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 23, 2007 at 9:33 pm
    I didn`t realise 97.5% of the population were so ignorant.

    Oh, wait, yes I did.

    Religion only causes problems. People should decide for themselves and have their own moral code to live by.

    Mine is simple: help others, right people`s wrongs, and do the best I can at all times.

    I don`t know if there is a higher power in this universe. I don`t know if there is a heaven or hell. It`s not something I`ll know until my life ends. But I do know that if I live my life according to that code, then higher power or not, I`ll have led a good life.

    davymid`s right, assuming everything we don`t know is attributable to God is simply moronic.

    How long have animals been sexually reproducing? Hundreds of millions of years. Yet it was only around 200 years ago - possibly less - that science found semen was necessary for fertilisation.

    I`m willing to bet that up until then, everyone assumed children were God`s will.

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    waltos Male 18-29
    98 posts
    August 24, 2007 at 12:10 pm
    Thank you davymid.
    One thing I`d like to say here is that for the past week I`ve been at a religious festival thing. I turned up because a friend of mine was going, and entered as an atheist, bordering on agnostic.
    Now I am fully agnostic, unable to make a real decision.
    Religion isn`t like science in that you need to experience it rather than research it. People who yell at religion have had no experience of it, this is made clear by the closed minded statements.
    Those who bash religion for it having no answers are ignorant. Those who bash science for being impossible by God are ignorant. Religion has as many answers as science. Science has as many as religion. They`re both acceptable answers. They can overlap.
    Religious people are often saying that people should open their minds to experience God. This makes sense to me now. But, some religious people ought to open their minds too, to experience logic.
    Experience both properly before you throw your insult.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3258 posts
    August 26, 2007 at 7:49 pm
    The ignorant idiots: AN INVISABLE WIZARD IN THE SKY DID IT!

    The smart idiots: NO HE DIDENT!

    Me: STFU! We don`t get to be alive for all that long, so just shut the drat up and let the interesting things happen while your alive to experience them!

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    cmanatlan Male 13-17
    604 posts
    August 28, 2007 at 8:55 pm
    My uncle is andrew breitbart! That`s his website!
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    v_wilkes85
    246 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 10:30 pm
    Somehow i think this is all gonna come back and bite us all in the ass.
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 12:00 am
    At least it`ll come back, unlike Jesus.
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    Rauron Male 13-17
    563 posts
    September 15, 2007 at 4:30 am
    tayreed, magicaltoast, and like 3 other people here deserve a cookie
    *gives them whatever kind of cookie they like*
    Haha that`s a good thing, I`m not trying to be sarcastic/an @$$hole/etc.
    I`m referring to the people who state their own belief and ask that people respect theirs and those of others. We`re all entitled to our own opinion, I think people should only post theirs for the reasons that it is relavent to the video though. I mean, isn`t that what we`re supposed to comment on anyway?

    Anyhoo, in my eyes this could be either wonderful and helpful or a complete disaster. Most likely a little of both =/, but I hope the little disaster part is worth the funhelpfulhappytime part :3

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    Rauron Male 13-17
    563 posts
    September 15, 2007 at 4:34 am
    It pisses me off this creationist/religious idea of "Oh, we can`t explain this or that particular phenomenon now with science, therefore God must have done it". That`s right. It`s not down to the laws of physics/chemistry/mathematics. It was the great unreachable, unknowable Sky Fairy that did it. Cause it says so in this book I`ve got here. I`ve got a book, it`s called Harry F*cking Potter.

    Davymid, you just made my day. I don`t agree with you, but that was hilareous XD
    Not your view, I have no problem with you believing what you want to (though I wish you`d respect other`s beliefs as well). But calling God the Sky Fairy... rofl
    But just one other random comment, why is it that everyone who believes in God MUST believe everything in the Bible and about Jesus? I certainly don`t, so therefore I must not really exist?

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    Rauron Male 13-17
    563 posts
    September 15, 2007 at 4:38 am
    B3nt
    Male, 18-29, Eastern US
    47 Posts Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:33:28 AM
    KMeTG, davymid, you guys are my heros. Tayreed, little boy you are WAY out of your league in this argument. And no, modern psychology does not mention RELIGION as a requirement for self-actualization... or is psychology bogus now as well? You Jesus freaks appall me. All that us science lovers/atheists/anti-christians/ anti-religionists want is for you religious types to leave us the FU<K alone. Stay out of our lives, stop preaching to us, stop lobbying legislation to create laws that take away MY liberty just so that you can feel as if you are in good standing with your "Sky Fairy".

    And this is the kind of thing that gives atheists an undeserved and very bad reputation.

    KMeTG.... you`re just a furkin hypocrite XD

    Then again, so am I. I said to post only as relevant to the topic, and I haven`t exactly done that much have I ._.? Just one sentance.... *palmforehead*

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    September 15, 2007 at 11:23 am
    How am I a hypocrite?

    Actually scratch asking you here, I think I`ll try and mail you.

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