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Date: 08/27/07 02:16 AM

263 Responses to Evolution

  1. Profile photo of buddy
    buddy Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2007 at 6:39 pm
    Link: Evolution - Video that compresses millions of years into a couple of minutes.
  2. Profile photo of QBangah
    QBangah Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:22 am
    Meh ... the Simpsons version with Homer was way better.
  3. Profile photo of Piroteknix
    Piroteknix Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:25 am
    Truly amazing how far we`ve come, and how long living creatures have been around. It makes a lifetime seem like a few seconds, but with how advanced technology has gotten in just the past few decades, imagine how far along we`ll be if the year 2007 AD was just the halfway point.
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    xViTAMiN22 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:28 am
    ..Trippy....colors... o.O
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    TheGrag Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:36 am
    i agree qbangah the simpsons version was better
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    Rain7 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:37 am
    notice how they all have a basic form....what was before that i wonder?
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    Morphplx Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:46 am
    I can`t watch that, so fake.
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    RodneyJason Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:55 am
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Z82lm5o...

    Family guy has it better

  9. Profile photo of Monsdurr
    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:07 am
    Ahh! What happens next! Do those little mammals survive!? SOMEONE TELL ME!

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  10. Profile photo of Fox4Brawl
    Fox4Brawl Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:07 am
    piroteknix, i agree. Evolution is amazing. I wonder if we`ll even have more then one toe within 1000 years
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    Xeroshade932 Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:12 am
    *waits for the annoying god comments*
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    hyeonkim0805 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:16 am
    We are the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish squirrel...
  13. Profile photo of MadeInUSSR
    MadeInUSSR Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:17 am
    family guy sucks^^^
  14. Profile photo of GrnFantasic
    GrnFantasic Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:18 am
    ^agreed the simpsons evolutions eats this
  15. Profile photo of MadeInUSSR
    MadeInUSSR Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:19 am
    i like how scientist come up with all the shapes and colors of those creatures when all they have left from them r little pieces of bones...
  16. Profile photo of AK-047
    AK-047 Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:03 am
    There will undoubtedly be an argument about evolution started by a fundie in this message board.
  17. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:07 am
    Of course there will. The argument that an invisible wizard in the sky made everything is just too realistic to be ignored!
  18. Profile photo of xViTAMiN22
    xViTAMiN22 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:13 am
    No one has said anyting about creationism and you guys are already bashing...

    Lol.

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    blakborn Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:24 am
    They should have contineud it till humans.
  20. Profile photo of AtomicMuffin
    AtomicMuffin Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:51 am
    They can`t blakborn, not only would it spawn religious controversy, but there`s a blank unkown period in the middle of human evolution.

    I just don`t get why it seems so impossible for someone to beleive in God in evolution. Lets say you beleive in God, now he put the first micro-organisms on Earth, and he guided along evolution. See? How hard was that? Not harder than beleiving every animal was put on this Earth as is, even though we know scientifically that animals adapt and evolve.

  21. Profile photo of Vogt
    Vogt Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:57 am
    Great video, pretty awesome.

    Dinosaurs are sweet :].

    I`m still waiting for someone to say, "Zomg liez, God did all of this lulz." :|

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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 5:18 am
    Very nice...

    Fascinating to know that so many creatures we have today can be traced back to a little shrew-like mammal millions upon millions of years ago.

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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 5:19 am
    ^^ Including ourselves!
  24. Profile photo of youth
    youth Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 5:49 am
    I doubt humans would evolve any further- even if we do grow features that give us the selective advantage, those with selective disadvantages are cured by our healthcare anyway.

    Bacteria and Virus on the otherhand... we better watch out

  25. Profile photo of YamiGigaPhil
    YamiGigaPhil Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:25 am
    I love evolution :3
  26. Profile photo of R_U_Kidding
    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:57 am
    :-D DINOSAURS!!! :-D

    Remember, fundaMENTALists: This is only a theory.

    A theory that makes SENSE.

  27. Profile photo of PoonHat
    PoonHat Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 7:10 am
    If god exists, he`s an amoeba.
    s`right bitches
    Creationism and Evolution in one simple concept
    GOD IS A dratING BLOB
  28. Profile photo of Factoid
    Factoid Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 7:29 am
    AtomivMuffin

    Yea, you can believe in god if you think evolution happens. But then it`s not this christian God. Or if it is, you just ignore this God`s the most essential role in the Bible: You just eat the "raisins of the cake" and ignore all things that you don`t like in that religion. And that`s just pathetic way of believing some god.

  29. Profile photo of RawrImALion
    RawrImALion Female 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 7:37 am
    hehe DINOSAURS RULE THE WORLD lol
  30. Profile photo of zincyams
    zincyams Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:35 am
    What are you guys all talking about evolution...my mommy told me God made everything!:-O
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    Joolz200 Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:45 am
    I`m prtty sure I`ve seen that before on a BBC programme... amazing though, how creatures change
  32. Profile photo of ConverseUK
    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:48 am
    Our next evolutionary step is likely to be bigger thumbs...and it`s all because of our mobile phones.

    Also I think they`re expecting us to get shorter again to accommodate over-population.

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    kevinz Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:51 am
    waiting for the flaming...
  34. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 10:31 am
    "I just don`t get why it seems so impossible for someone to beleive in God in evolution. Lets say you beleive in God, now he put the first micro-organisms on Earth, and he guided along evolution. See? How hard was that? Not harder than beleiving every animal was put on this Earth as is, even though we know scientifically that animals adapt and evolve."

    Nope.
    Evolution = complexity from simplicity.
    God = complexity from (unknown) complexity.

    So God made a logical system, but can`t be logical himself upon his own existence? Yeah, I buy that. :-|

  35. Profile photo of eddien
    eddien Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 10:50 am
    "If it turns out that there is a God, I don`t think that he`s evil. But the worst you can say about him is that basically he`s an underachiever."

    - Woody Allen

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    lmaonaise Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 11:28 am
    i agreee with atomic muffin, both the comment and the led zep picture.
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    134340 Female 40-49
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    August 27, 2007 at 12:13 pm
    I think its funny the way evolutionists talk as if they were there and actually saw it happen. If you cant give an eye wittness account then it is ALL theory. BTW Fat Boy Slims "Right here Right Now" is Waaay cooler evolution video- plus it has music
  38. Profile photo of sophiemichel
    sophiemichel Female 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 12:20 pm
    That was good =)

    I like The Simpsons one though. Haha.

  39. Profile photo of AmyNicoleduh
    AmyNicoleduh Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 12:36 pm
    Okay, Charles Darwin, the creator of the theory of evolution, denounced his own theory. The guy who thought up the whole thing. Just saying.
  40. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 12:43 pm
    ^ Amy, do you really believe in misconceptions? Darwin never racanted upon his deathbed. Lady Hope lied that she visited him during his last days and got him to reject his theory and `turn over to Christ`. His own daughter, Henrietta, explained that *she* was with her father and Lady Hope was never present. That Darwin died still holding on to his scientific views.

    Even if he *did* recant, it wouldn`t change that evolution is a fact and theory.

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    smurfette69 Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 12:51 pm
    ooohhhh burn ^^^
  42. Profile photo of Oggleboppite
    Oggleboppite Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:00 pm
    Why can`t science and religion co-exist?
  43. Profile photo of Factoid
    Factoid Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:04 pm
    134340

    Yes, you are right it`s name is "evolution theory". I think it`s funnier that creationists actually know that the universe was created. As if they were there and actually saw it happen :-P

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    dragonrice Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:08 pm
    God evolved from air.
  45. Profile photo of DBtG
    DBtG Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:26 pm
    Natural Selection isn`t applicable in modern day society.

    Humans kill off some species which may have survived under the laws of nature, and salvage some species which by all means should have died off.

    Natural selection is dependent upon an overpopulation, a diminishing of resources, and a struggle to survive. With so many humans leeching every available resource out of the Earth, there is no struggle.

    Birth control, monogamy, and fertility drugs are also inhibiting what should be our natural ability to better the species over time.

    It`s depressing to think that the world might be better off without technology or maybe even without humans at all.

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    DBtG Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:27 pm
    And by the way, 95% of people who don`t believe in ANY type of evolution simply don`t understand it.
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    Antinist Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:44 pm
    Hate to break this to you all, but...

    In a world in which greed is generally living because of money, the world`s most popular religion (Christianity) is a huge scandal.

    In England, around 900AD, the general passing out of the Dark Ages, the first kings took the ideas of Christianity, and worshipped it.

    However, in about 1200AD, British kings noticed the money in Religion; Bibles being the world`s biggest selling book then, and still today, they began to "expand" religion, and in 1500AD, King Henry VIII started the "Churchof England"; not because of his religion beliefs, but the money he made from it.

    Even now, Governments are finding new ideas and exploiting them for money. Being English myself I must admit:

    England = Greed.

    Governments even today are exploiting Global Warming, but to hell would you guess what for? Money.

    They re-use materials in which is alot cheaper than buying them again.

    They`re introducing water meters to "save water"

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    Antinist Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:48 pm
    (continued)

    , however it`s just for tax money.

    They`re charging for litter collection, to "make people recycle more and stop throwing garbage away", but heck, they`re taxing that too.

    Eco-friendly electricity is being introduced, and the Government have realized they are nowhaving to tax this too. Why? Because eco-friendly eletricity doesn`t use power plat eletricity, which of course means the power plat companies get less, and the Government can`t tax the power plants as much.

    And isn`t it ironic? Through all these studies, all the "pollution we`ve caused", the Sea alone, with all the fish, all the plantlife, produces 100 times the CO2 we do as a World. Even trees produce 5 times the CO2 we do, and cows 25 times the methane we do.

    This "Global warming" is in fact the World trying to develop an Ice Age. It`s Inevitable.

    Fact: Christianity, originated in England then spread over the World, is a scandal for money.

  49. Profile photo of Antinist
    Antinist Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 1:51 pm
    *Trees produce 5 times the CO2 when they die.
    When they die, all the CO2 they`ve taken in is released into the atmosphere.

    What do you think of God now? Another money scandal. Congratulations world, now open your eyes.

  50. Profile photo of Factoid
    Factoid Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:11 pm
    Antinist: This doesn`t belong here, byt a few points:

    You know that photosynthesis binds CO2 to plants? And releases O2? How they can produce more CO2 than what they have used in life? It doesn`t born from nowhere. I agree that we`re going to have another ice age, but why there hasn`t been climate changes this severe before previous ice ages? It`s because the CO2+other greenhouse gas reserves in earth is now released in air. We humans speed up this process. Earth could take the CO2 produced by sea, animals etc, but the industrialism seems to be too much.

  51. Profile photo of HappyNoodle
    HappyNoodle Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:32 pm
    "However, in about 1200AD, British kings noticed the money in Religion; Bibles being the world`s biggest selling book then,"
    Despite the fact that printing wasn`t invented until the 1400s, most people in 1200 were illiterate, and people didn`t not buy and own books until considerably later than this? Not only that but the bible was written in latin and only priests and scholars spoke latin.

    "King Henry VIII started the "Churchof England"; not because of his religion beliefs, but the money he made from it."
    He started the Church of England so he could legally shag, marry and divorce as many women as he wanted.

    "Fact: Christianity, originated in England then spread over the World, is a scandal for money."

    Have you ever read...anything, ever?


    Your entire comment made me want to laugh and cry. I can also expand your earlier statement to say that:
    People=greed.

  52. Profile photo of WMDs-R-Bad
    WMDs-R-Bad Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:58 pm
    We are now the latest and most superior model of the orginism chain. But 10k years ago, we were updated. Lactose and tolerant whatever was the issue for all humans. We couldn`t digest dairy products. Now we can because of evolution. I believe that Adam and Eve were the first modern humans, but did not spawn in the garden of Eden. No body, not even the Roman Catholic Church can tell you what is right or wrong. And they know that. Believe what you want, believe what makes sense to you and history. No body can tell you if you are a moron for having a certain theory. However, they can call you morons for other things.
    Like I`m American. Almost all Europeans on this site make fun of Americans. Jokes on them though. Too bad America is the only superpower and makes invents or are the made reason for the invention of almost every modern electronic. Too bad most people listen to their parents and not find stuff out on their own.
  53. Profile photo of WMDs-R-Bad
    WMDs-R-Bad Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 2:58 pm
    But you can call me personally a moron because my typing is terrible.
  54. Profile photo of trentoneli
    trentoneli Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:11 pm
    uhh...America isn`t responsible for "almost every modern electronic", it`s simply that our news channels only like to credit American inventions. Gah, are we REALLY as out of touch with the rest of the word as we`re stereotyped to be?

    I hate living here.

  55. Profile photo of Snoogans
    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:18 pm
    I like these kinds of videos. Yay Evolution!
  56. Profile photo of Wildform
    Wildform Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:25 pm
    This was a documentary from the BBC. :-)
    Oh wait,
  57. Profile photo of 3622785
    3622785 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:39 pm
    Two words: Ya right.

    I`m disappointed in most all of you. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION???

    You know what...

    I`m now giving away $20,000 for proof of evolution. Good luck, suckers.

  58. Profile photo of trentoneli
    trentoneli Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:43 pm
    ^ignorance.
  59. Profile photo of clockwork208
    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2007 at 3:48 pm
    Worse: Ignorant by choice.
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    WolfStar Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:07 pm
    Makes me wonder what`ll come after us. What`ll we evolve into next?
  61. Profile photo of Hansbo
    Hansbo Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:10 pm
    There can, obviously, not be any proof of evolution (other than the fact that it can be reproduced in a laboratory, but I`m talking about the evolution as in "did it happen", not "can it happen), since no such proof is imaginable. However, due to the fact that there is an almost unending stream of facts supporting the theory of evolution, and not a single fact speaking against it, any enlightened person can make a well educated guess that it`s most likely true in most respects.
  62. Profile photo of talljack
    talljack Female 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:43 pm
    You know something that`s REALLY interesting? Dinosaurs evolved into birds. This is considered a fact by the paleontology community, as they`ve recently compared the DNA from a few dino bone marrow samples to todays birds, and a lot of it matched up (I saw Jack Horner talk about this in a lecture so I think my source is pretty reliable). Think about THAT next time you see a seagull.
  63. Profile photo of Queen_Jay
    Queen_Jay Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:46 pm
    atomicmuffin...
    you are so right...
    dinosaurs rock!
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    millamopico Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:50 pm
    that was so boring I almost died
  65. Profile photo of Dracor
    Dracor Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 4:50 pm
    ehehehe.... i`m not getting involved...

    *go evoulution!*

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    Gamey91 Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 5:36 pm
    That was a cool video.
  67. Profile photo of NinjaChibi
    NinjaChibi Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 5:48 pm
    No matter what you think, because evolutionists haven`t seen it, they are only supposing that everything came from nothing.
    Therefore I am allowed to suppose that everything came from God. =D
  68. Profile photo of WhatInThe42o
    WhatInThe42o Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2007 at 5:56 pm
    Ah, creationism vs evolution.

    It`s like trying to explain to Helen Keller that there is, indeed, yellow.

  69. Profile photo of DBtG
    DBtG Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:04 pm
    Ah, NinjaChibi! You`re back to argue Creationism! Are you going to provide a link to Answersingenesis and try to pass it off as a legitimate source?
  70. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:14 pm
    ^ NinjaChibi: "they are only supposing that everything came from nothing."

    Like so many others, you confused evolution with abiogenesis.

  71. Profile photo of Ace_Cosmo
    Ace_Cosmo Female 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:21 pm
    The very reason I don`t believe in evolution is because I don`t want to come from a bloody fish! .. Or a primate, for that matter...
  72. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:41 pm
    "
    Of course there will. The argument that an invisible wizard in the sky made everything is just too realistic to be ignored!"

    Also an argument made that we were once fish is just too realistic to be ignored.

  73. Profile photo of gorgokid333
    gorgokid333 Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:44 pm
    evolution is for gay people. and people who live in new york.
  74. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:46 pm
    Also, evolution exists, no doubt about that.

    They can`t prove that`s why we all came to be though, they have just as much proof that all of us came from amoeba in a primordial soup as they do we were created by a giant invisible space wizard.

    Also, I like the huge explanation about Christianity = Greed a while back... WHAT?

    I couldn`t follow what you were saying at all..Something to do with pollution and how that means that God is fake because the religion is based around money?

    God isn`t based around Christianity, Christianity, among tons of other religions, are based around God.

  75. Profile photo of gorgokid333
    gorgokid333 Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 6:51 pm
    agian I say. "why does everything here have to be a flame???????". but seriously it seems like anything anybody says on here will "offend" somebody and then they`ll flame till the freakin cows some home! well I think that if you get offended and you write something just to tear the guy who wrote it down. the your being just as much of a pussy as him!!!!!!!!
  76. Profile photo of PhoenixPhata
    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 7:40 pm
    Uhm, there is proof of evolution. Mountains of evidence, including a veritable plethora of transition fossils, have been discovered that correlate with our current theory of evolution. One of the biggest difficulties with the creationist/evolution argument is dealing with people who simply don`t understand what a scientific theory is.

    A scientific theory is not a hypothesis, it is not a guess. It is the best explanation we can give for an event with the data we have collected. That the Earth revolves around the Sun is a scientific theory, gravity is a scientific theory, etc.

    I can, however, prove evolution in a much simpler way by simplifying the definition of "evolution". Evolution, in its most basic form, is nothing more than "change over time". It is the idea that small changes over time result in bigger, aggregate changes.

    So, 3622785, you can either try to disprove that things change or you can go ahead and make that check out to cash.

  77. Profile photo of WaywardSon
    WaywardSon Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 7:51 pm
    Very interesting. Like others here, I wonder how, if at all, we will continue to evolve. Personally, I`m starting to think that technology will eventually diminish our need to evolve physically. But then again, I`m no scientist of any kind.

    And come on people, can`t we all just get along? Can`t Christians (and other theists for that matter) say, "I don`t really believe in evolution, but it`s okay if you do"? And can`t atheists say, I don`t believe in God, but it`s okay if you do?"

    And how are evolution and the concept of God incompatible theories? Evolution explains how we came to be as we are, not how we got here in the first place. Atheists have the Big Bang theory (unless that`s outdated now? I`m not sure) for that. Theists follow the concept of an intelligent force (consciousness, God, whatever). Why not put them together?

    Evolution is only a theory. So is religion. Let it be, folks.

    /rant

  78. Profile photo of eddien
    eddien Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:06 pm
    "Creationists make it sound like a `theory` is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night"

    - Isaac Asimov

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    Kittenluvpie Female 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:11 pm
    Evolution? Creationism? Who cares? This video looked awesome.
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    extract Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:13 pm

    And yet, AceCosmo, you`re fine with being made from dirt that God breathed on.

    ...

  81. Profile photo of robock
    robock Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:17 pm
    the funny thing is that they couldn`t find any fossile to prove it. There are fossil of fish with and without teeth, but none that shows the smooth transition from the two species of fish. Etc for almost all other transition.
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    robock Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:18 pm
    I so agree with youth, by refusing to let the handicapped and sick person dies, we are preventing the evolution to occur.
  83. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:19 pm
    "Can`t Christians (and other theists for that matter) say, "I don`t really believe in evolution, but it`s okay if you do"? And can`t atheists say, I don`t believe in God, but it`s okay if you do?"

    It is our job as Christians to know Christ and make Him known, according to the Bible. Now why atheists feel so compelled to argue for their views, I will never know.....

  84. Profile photo of T3h-Wraith
    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:20 pm
    Uh...Dino Power.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:20 pm
    WaywardSon,

    Very intelligent comment, enjoyed reading it. I`m a professional scientist (PhD Geology) and atheist, but I don`t think science has an inalieable right to flame religion (and vice versa). Whatever helps people lead good, socially responsible lives is fine by me.

    As I`ve stated before on these forums, I have a problem with religion when religious nuts (usually Christian Fundamentalists) who come out and try to inject creationism into valid scientific areas. Scientists (in general) don`t do out of their way to bullsh*t the bible.

    The greatest coup that the creationist community ever pulled off was to spread the lie that there is a debate among the respected, international scientific community that scientists disagree on evolution vs creationism, and that we should "TEACH THE CONTROVERSY". There is no controversy, it`s a lie. Scientists (or maybe 99.9% of them) believe in evolution.

    Science in real life, religion in faith. Let`s keep it like that

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    August 27, 2007 at 8:21 pm
    "I just don`t get why it seems so impossible for someone to beleive in God in evolution. Lets say you beleive in God, now he put the first micro-organisms on Earth, and he guided along evolution."

    Anyone can choose to *believe* in anything they please, but generally the more absurd their belief is, the more they will be chastised and ridiculed, especially when their belief is rejected by the evidence present.

    If one is capable of believing in a deity, where is the line drawn? At what point does one resist the dogmatic bombardment during childhood and begin to live one`s life sensibly? Whence comes science, or the endeavor to live one`s life according to reason and only that which is supported by evidence.

  87. Profile photo of Overmann
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:26 pm
    "And can`t atheists say, I don`t believe in God, but it`s okay if you do?"

    I don`t or can`t follow a `live and let live` mentality when it comes to religion simply because religion weaves an open and unabashed assault on reason. Any belief system that resorts to or accepts the practice of bludgeoning the youth at an early age into believing in it doesn`t have any merit. Religion is harmful to society and I look forward to a time when all theistic religion is openly disrespected.

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    August 27, 2007 at 8:29 pm
    That video was pretty cool. For me it was fiction, but whatever for others. Makes no difference to me. But I do have a question, don`t take this the wrong way: Why did some evolve like into lizards and others just stayed in the ocean? I`m not trying to be the bad guy, I`m just wondering.
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:30 pm
    Just to put some things straight (and I also happen to like these debates):

    Evolution and abiogenesis are different things, as someone stated before (although abiogenesis is one kind of "chemical evolution"). Creationists often don`t understand how long time is 1 M years, for example (some of them still think that Earth is ~6000 years old). To understand abiogenesis, you first have to understand atoms, their electrostatic forces, possibility to form molecules and so on. To make biomolecules you need only carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, sometimes nitrogen too. With these components you can make most of the molecules needed to form a cell wall (mainly lipids), amino acids, carbohydrates etc. Only a certain variety of molecules is possible: Because of the principle of energy minimum and steric effects, The most "expensive" molecules break down.

    Protein and RNA/DNA -synthesis are also based on the electrostatic forces between molecules. A simple cell isn`t so complicat

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    August 27, 2007 at 8:38 pm
    "Any belief system that resorts to or accepts the practice of bludgeoning the youth at an early age into believing in it doesn`t have any merit. Religion is harmful to society"

    I`m not sure why you choose the word bludgeoning, but I do intend on raising my children in a Christian atmosphere, just as you intend to do the same in an atheist atmosphere. I don`t see what is wrong with that.

    "I look forward to a time when all theistic religion is openly disrespected."

    ........not in your lifetime. You are still horribly outnumbered.

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    August 27, 2007 at 8:45 pm
    i apologize for the last part of that comment. it isn`t the Christian way to talk down to any group of people. sorry about that.
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    August 27, 2007 at 8:54 pm
    There`s this kid at my school who keeps saying that if you believe in evolution you believe we came from retarded monkeys.

    Like most fundamentalists, he doesn`t understand the theory at all, just slams it because his faith tells him to.

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    August 27, 2007 at 8:55 pm
    I want to make a correction, he actually says that if you believe in evolution you believe you are a retarded monkey.
  94. Profile photo of KMeTG
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:01 pm
    "It is our job as Christians to know Christ and make Him known, according to the Bible."

    The Bible can`t even decide if Jesus is God`s son or God himself.

    I`ve said this elsewhere as well: to those who think a scientific theory is an unproven idea, you`re wrong. A scientific theory is indeed an idea, but it`s a set of rules that can be applied to a given situation and that will accurately predict the results.

    Gravity, for example, is only a theory. Yet I can correctly predict, using this theory, that if all you Creationists and denouncers of scientific fact were to jump off a cliff without any kind of safety device such as a parachute, then you`d be praying all the way down for a miracle from God, right up until you hit the bottom and die.

    Who wants to prove me wrong?

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    August 27, 2007 at 9:03 pm
    And, someone somewhere said that Henry VIII split from the RC faith and formed the Church of England. This is in fact true, as were his reasons for it: he was no longer happy with his first wife as she failed to bear a son, and he wanted a divorce but the Pope told him where to stick it. In response, he cut England off from the Papacy and was able to divorce and remarry at will.
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:07 pm
    "...just as you intend to do the same in an atheist atmosphere."

    You assume far, far too much, little man.

    "I don`t see what is wrong with that."

    You don`t see any fault in not allowing your children to develop minds of their own? You can teach them to be moral and law-abiding without forcing Christianity on them. Morality and religion are mutually exclusive, in case you didn`t know.

    "........not in your lifetime. You are still horribly outnumbered."

    In this country perhaps, but not elsewhere. There is a world outside the United States, you know.

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    August 27, 2007 at 9:09 pm
    What`s your point there KMeTG
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:13 pm
    horn4231,

    What happens if I`m a Muslim? Or a Hindu? Or anyone, presumably, who has not embraced/ever even heard of Christianity? Am I going to "Hell"?

    Watch this clip (to give context, it`s Richard Dawkins, a Cambridge University Professor Emeritus in Biology, in a question and answer session following a lecture supporting evolution over creationism, hyperlinked below). Please, I beg you. Then stop to think.

    Not just horn4231, but anyone who claims Christian faith but also has the courage to watch a harmless 1:30 minute video clip from youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXet...

    Answers on a postcard please...

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    August 27, 2007 at 9:25 pm
    Point is, the Bible cannot be taken as a source of evidence to explain where life came from.

    Belief is only contemporary. A few thousand years ago, a huge chunk of Egyptians believed that humans were created from the tears of the Sun God, Ra. The Christians here might scoff at the idea, but those Egyptians believed it as fervently as you believe in your ideas.

    Evolution is real. How else is it possible that one can take a human gene to produce insulin, splice it into a bacterium, and it will produce insulin without skipping a beat? Humans and bacteria are as far apart in terms of evolution as this galaxy and the next.

    It`s because all life came from the same source in distant history. I don`t know how single-celled organisms evolved into multi-cellular organisms at all. It`s not like I can open a book on the matter and point to it. But I do know that Genesis is as much of a falsehood as the Egyptians thinking they came from the tears of a god.

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    August 27, 2007 at 9:31 pm
    really didnt like those sounds
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:32 pm
    "even though we know scientifically that animals adapt and evolve."

    No, AtomicMuffin, we don`t know that. It`s easy to make evolution sound plausible, even likely, since not many people know much about it. Those supporting it always fudge over the impossibilities in their explanations. Videos like the one here make it seem so gradual, when in reality you`re dealing with a tremendous amount of mutations at each step, making it a statistical near impossibility.

    Never mind the fact that most of the gradual changes would be considered detrimental and "natural selection" would immediately discard them. Never mind the fact that countless machines in the cell are irreducibly complex and would have had to evolve all at once in yet another statistical near impossibility. Never mind any of that.

    If we know anything scientifically, it`s that macroevolution, for all intents and purposes, is impossible.

  102. Profile photo of KMeTG
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:42 pm
    Life, for all intents and purposes, is impossible. You need a star of a specific size and brightness and heat, you need a planet the right distance away so as not to be too hot or too cold, you need the planet to be composed of, or at least have an abundance of, the right elements, such as carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. You need a supply of water in its liquid form.

    With this kind of statistical impossibility, it`s a wonder life exists at all. Is evolution so difficult to believe? That which is suitable survives, while that which is unsuitable does not.

    It`s not a hard concept to grasp.

  103. Profile photo of Axium
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:42 pm
    Hey KMeTG, If a hundred athiests were to jump off a Cliff, would you evolve into birds before you went splat on the ground?
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:42 pm
    ^^^
    It doesn`t just go straight from Apes to Humans or Dinosaurs to birds. There are countless steps inbetween, there is no evidence to suggest that any of these mutations would have to occur all at the same time. Fish didn`t have to mutate a working pair of lungs all at once, mutations could have built upon mutations as long as these mutations didn`t kill the animal outright.

    We only have the fossil record to go on, but it`s so incomplete that there`s absolutely no way of telling how many steps came between certain evolutions. Statistically speaking, of course the chance of coming across any sort of helpful mutation is quite low, that`s why it takes millions upon millions of years for evolution to work.

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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:47 pm
    Nope, we`d go,

    "Why the hell are we jumping off this cliff, evolution as we know takes hundreds upon hundreds of generations before there are noticeable changes, we`re never gonna change into birds in the time it takes to hit the bottom. At least we`re not as stupid as the fundies, they thought they`d live by the grace of God."

    ...SPLAT

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    August 27, 2007 at 9:48 pm
    I think NerdSquared is the first person I`ve ever seen who doesn`t believe in evolution yet does understand it (at least it seems that way).

    The notion of "Irreducable complexity" is the only argument against Macroevolution I`ve found that makes a little bit of sense. It certainly doesn`t come close to tearing down all the evidence FOR evolution, but it is a reasonable thought.

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    August 27, 2007 at 9:49 pm
    Besides, if we were to evolve in the half a minute or so it takes to fall off a cliff, we`d probably become bat-like creatures as they`re mammals and therefore closer to humans than birds.
  108. Profile photo of KMeTG
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    August 27, 2007 at 9:50 pm
    And, all the other atheists would look on and shrug saying "Survival of the fittest."

    Then they`d carry on being atheists, and neither they nor their children would jump off cliffs.

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    eddien Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 10:02 pm
    irreducible complexity is a farce. name one thing that`s irreducibly complex.
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    August 27, 2007 at 11:08 pm
    i saw this on discovery channel
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2007 at 11:19 pm
    davymid - the only point that you made with that is that I am a christian because I was raised that way, or because I was born in a certain area of the world. the way you introduced that video, i thought it would be alot more impressive.

    I don`t really see a point in that, nor did it shake my faith.

    On every single religion discussion on these boards, I have given out my email ([email protected]), and invited anyone to discuss their faith with me, because I don`t check iab that often. Still, nobody has ever wanted to discuss these things with me.....

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    August 27, 2007 at 11:24 pm
    Hard to believe that for thousands of years at one time, there was a fish with 2 massive bulges on it`s sides that happened to grow into legs, because generations somehow knew they needed them for legs thousands of years in the future before they were born.
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    August 27, 2007 at 11:25 pm
    "I think its funny the way evolutionists talk as if they were there and actually saw it happen. If you cant give an eye wittness account then it is ALL theory"

    Lol, worst argument I`ve ever seen on I-A-B.

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    August 27, 2007 at 11:25 pm
    Also, it`s hard to believe that they adapted to things they need to survive, without dying without them first.

    double post. =/

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    August 27, 2007 at 11:27 pm
    "irreducible complexity is a farce. name one thing that`s irreducibly complex."

    Flagellum. That was easy.

    DBtG, thank you. It means a lot to hear that, I did try and get the facts straight. Granted, some of them are still over my head, but I think I`ve got the gist of it down. I don`t really see the need to continue the argument, smarter people than me have already been duking it out for a while and I`ve got nothing on them. I just wanted to say thanks for, you know, being civil. That`s rare in discussions like these =)

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    August 27, 2007 at 11:27 pm
    evolution claims that a black hole the size of an atom was the only thing existing before everything else ok so if it made everything when it went kablooey then how come it was there is there an infinite chain of mini black holes that blows up every billion years and please if im wrong explain how the world was made to me because i have read the entire bible and the entire origin of species and the origin of species book is very unexplainable though the bible has more than 2,500
    locations and proofs behind it though the evolutionists theory is only that a theory
    and it doesnt even have proof so someone plz pm me and tell me how everything came to be peace out
    ps: i dont feel like typing good
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    August 27, 2007 at 11:29 pm
    "Hey KMeTG, If a hundred athiests were to jump off a Cliff, would you evolve into birds before you went splat on the ground?" they should try maybe they`ll evole into seeds and become trees athiests pshh...
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    August 27, 2007 at 11:43 pm
    wowowowowow all that in 250 million years~~
  119. Profile photo of DBtG
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    August 27, 2007 at 11:49 pm
    2500 locations and proofs?
    Follow me on this. You clearly believe everything in the Bible is true, so you believe the story of Noah`s Ark (I`m assuming).

    There are over 1,250,000 species of animals. Noah had seven days to gather two of every species before the flood, so that`s 2,500,000 animals in 168 hours. Or, if you prefer, four animals per second without break. That is imposssible.

    SO it leads us to one of two conclusions:
    1) The story is all, or in part, untrue, meaning at least one thing in the Bible is untrue and wrecking the validity you seem to think it has OR

    2) There weren`t as many different species at the time (or he didn`t gather all of them up). So at some point between then and now, some evolution had to have occurred.

  120. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:04 am
    god has been around for years DBtG he has lots of time to create stuff take for example your eye it takes a supercomputer of the future to match its amazing vision capabilites and it couldn`t even match the eyes amazing structure and i am not saying evolution is not true i am saying i do not believe in the fact that evolution is real it has no proof it has no eyewitness it has no logical explanation it has no nothing and if you wish to clarify then tell me how everything came to be i would be thrilled to know so enlighten me
  121. Profile photo of KMeTG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:05 am
    ^^There`s also the implications if the Noah story is true.

    Every creature alive today would have to be the product of an incestuous relationship, and that includes us as we`re apparently descended from one family.

    Where would the dove get the olive branch? The flood covered the "highest mountains with 15 cubits to spare". Surely this would kill the trees and hide them under a monstrous amount of water.

    What would the animals eat upon disembarking? Everything else is dead, that`s the idea.

  122. Profile photo of KMeTG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:10 am
    Mrface5, evolution has been observed in a laboratory setting with fruit flies.

    Oh right yeah, there`s nothing logical behind it? Here`s some logic for you: let`s say there`s an animal that, due to small genetic differences between it and it`s family members, is slightly taller, and let`s suppose that it lives in a place where there aren`t enough leaves on trees. Being taller enables it to reach the higher leaves and in so doing, it become better nourished and outcompetes others like it that are shorter when it comes to reproduction. It fathers more children, some of which have the `taller` gene. Those children themselves begin to outcompete their rivals, until eventually, the rivals can no longer keep up. The gene for being shorter becomes less prevalent, and eventually the species as a whole will become taller as the shorter ones die off.

    How`s that for logic?

    Now then, let`s hear the arguments for God creating things.

  123. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:10 am
    also have you ever thought about researching the bible before rejecting the bible i have read the origin of species and the bible and i know that evolution has no proof if a black hole the size of an atom created the universe how did it create the elements and the nebulas these two laws of conservation energy cannot be lost or created and mass cannot be lost or created so please explain how everything came to be also try comparing the bible to facts there are several things proven that jesus predicted read up in the book of luke mathew and mark and then compare it to the years history i told my colleauge to read the bible and compare the history before he completely rejected it and he believed after studying it my churches pastor was dying with 7 blood clots and my entire church stayed up through the night praying for him and he survived he was on life support so do not tell me miracles do not exist thank you
  124. Profile photo of PhoenixPhata
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:11 am
    *Sigh*

    They HAVE found the transition fossils. Just because you`re not reading up on recent (past 50-100 years) scientific discoveries doesn`t mean we haven`t found the fossils that show the smooth transition between our predecessors and us. Read a bloody scientific journal, then tell me what scientists have found.

  125. Profile photo of DBtG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:11 am
    "it has no proof it has no eyewitness it has no logical explanation it has no nothing"

    Are you sure you aren`t talking about God?
    Evolution is based on nothing BUT logic. It only arose as a conclusion to evidence that was gathered at one point in time, and has been strengthened even more with more solid evidence.

  126. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:11 am
    "it has no eyewitness"

    God making the world in 6 days before there were any people had eyewitnesses? Now I have to hear this. But maybe tomorrow, I`m off to bed as it`s late.

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:13 am
    that is an adaption not evolution i did not say its inexisting i said there is no proof of the big bang of changes in animals so you tell me what i said wrong also if we evolved from chimps or muskrats or fish or monkeys how come those animals still exist?
  128. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:13 am
    "there are several things proven that jesus predicted"

    Jesus, before he died, predicted that he would return as the second coming within the lifetimes of some of those present to see him die.

    2000 years on, we`re still waiting...

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    Mrface5 Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:14 am
    are you serious have you ever watched a talk show there are lots of miracles DBtG and please give me one fact that proves the big bang or evolution please do
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:15 am
    Mrface5 can you try to type more coherently? I`m having a difficult time reading your run-on word salads.
  131. Profile photo of DBtG
    DBtG Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:15 am
    Give me one fact that proves the existence of God.
  132. Profile photo of KMeTG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:16 am
    We didn`t evolve from chimps, chimps and humans evolved from an ancestor of both species that was neither human nor chimp, that has since died out.

    Mrface5, not only are you ignorant of evolution, it seems you`re also ignorant of your own faith. You disgust me. Goodnight.

  133. Profile photo of DBtG
    DBtG Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:17 am
    Don`t confuse the word "Miracle" with "Co-incidence"
    Say there`s a million-to-one shot that something will happen. If the opportunity is presented a million times, it`s bound to happen by luck. Not God.
  134. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:17 am
    pheonix i watch discovery i watch debates of creationists and evolutionists and read scientific journals there were dinosaurs but they died everything that happens for a reason so there is not reason for dinosaurs to still exist or other animals they could have been wrong with evolution and other things like carbon dating it is human nature to learn from mistake
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:19 am
    goodnight kmetg
  136. Profile photo of DBtG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:19 am
    "that is an adaption not evolution"

    Evolution is adaption. Lots of adaptations. The core of evolution is "Natural Selection" which is "Survival of the Fittest" which is an even more basic level of adapting.

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:21 am
    coincedence doesnt exist it is a fake word everything exists for a reason and is here for a reason thats why were here and please answer my question how did the big bang come to be from nothing or from something something had to make because nothing didnt please clarify
  138. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:21 am
    And finally, a fact that proves evolution is real...

    Humans and bacteria. Two incredibly different groups of organisms. Modern bacteria and humans haven`t had a common ancestor in maybe 2 billion years. Yet it is possible to take a gene for human insulin production and splice it into the genes of a bacterium, and that bacterium will readily accept the gene as it would with its own, and will produce insulin immediately.

    Not only is this possible, it`s the standard production method used to make insulin for diabetics.

    All forms of life on this planet are descended from a single organism that was the first life on the planet that divided, and divided, and divided.

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:21 am
    one word

    ROR!

  140. Profile photo of DBtG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:21 am
    We`re not talking about the Big Bang, we`re talking about evolution.

    And if God created the universe, where did God come from?

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:22 am
    if evolution exists prove the big bang theory i would like to know before i shoot down evolution
  142. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:22 am
    where didn`t god come from?
  143. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:23 am
    kmetg it doesnt prove it it hardly supports it
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:24 am
    Please tell me this is a joke. There`s no way someone this ignorant can exist. I actually laughed when I read "where didn`t god come from?"
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    Mrface5 Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:25 am
    and the big bang and evolution theories are very close to the same take the "biological soup that made everything that is part of everything and a byproduct of the big bang so they are not connected they are the same thing and both are fake
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    Mrface5 Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:27 am
    DBtG if i was human i couldn`t tell you scientists say there are multiple dimensions which i believe mind you and god exists in another one of those dimensions not in this one where things are different and the possibilities are different
  147. Profile photo of Rock_On37
    Rock_On37 Female 13-17
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:27 am
    There are def. good points about evolution, but is has many holes, so does a creation theory. Evolution: What about the giraffe, that has a little bone that blocks blood from rushing to it`s head when it gets something to drink. It would have needed it from the start, but took thousands of years to evolve. But do you really think, that one day, the giraffe was drinking, and a lion attacked, and it rushed away, but then passed out because it wasn`t there yet, and it thought to itself while a lion fed on him `Hmm, maybe I should fix this." It`s now dead. And baby giraffes all around the world somehow know about this one inncodent, and think, `hmm, before we are born, we should do something about this" And if it evolved with the giraffe. Why would it? Because the animal isn`t nearly big enough to need it yet. How could it possibly prepare for something that will happen millions of years later? And survival of the fittest makes no sense because that isn`t just some mutation.
  148. Profile photo of Rock_On37
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:27 am
    Creation: When in the bible it says "and on the first day, the second day` ext.Well, time is a man made perception. To God, it could have been millions of years. He made light, the earth, and working animals.There is design involved to evolution. Not just chance or `survival of the fittest`
  149. Profile photo of DBtG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:27 am
    Rock On37, I don`t think you understand evolution as much as you think you do.
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:28 am
    What the hell?

    Hardly supports it?

    Of course it supports it. It is a fact that humans descended ultimately from single-celled organisms and genetic compatibility between humans and bacteria proves this.

    I`ve got a better one: dogs. There are thousands of different breeds of dog in the world. This is because when dogs were domesticated, humans bred the dogs to have specific qualities. They wanted a fiercely loyal and aggressive dog to perhaps protect us against predators and other humans, and bred the Rottweiler. They wanted a dog with a keen sense of smell to aid with hunting and bred the bloodhound. How do you think this was done? By finding favourable characteristics in dogs and breeding them with other dogs with favourable characteristics.

    How can anyone argue against that?

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:29 am
    People only believe in God because they`re too weak to accept that their life is, in the grand scheme of things, completely random and entirely meaningless.
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:29 am
    DBtG everything needs an inventor so the universe needs invention eg: a machine is invented by a man the man was invented by nothing that is what evolution is basically everything needs invention and nothing can be invented by itself nothing can invent itself more simply
  153. Profile photo of bonitalydia
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:30 am
    Atomic Muffin- Evolution is based on logic, not on someone guiding it. That`s teleology. It is possible to believe in both God and evolution, but there is no place to talk about God in science. Belief in God is personal.

    Factoid- What Christian God are you talking about? There are many different views of the Bible, and every denomination has a preference over which views they hold dear and which ones they ignore. And you can`t believe in a Christian God and evolution at the same time? By Christian, do you mean fundamentalist? Because the Pope said there`s no argument between the Bible and evolution, and tons of Protestant Churches have no problem with evolution.

    3522785- Haha, very funny. "Proof" for evolution. Nothing in science can be proven (duh). But I will say this. There is more evidence for evolution than there is for gravity. And if you have trouble thinking evolution is real, try reading "The Beak of the Finch."

    That`s enough for me.

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:31 am
    kmetg where did hell come from where did the term come from? years of people believing and seeing miracles please dont believe in evolution and hell cause obviously they dont mix
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:31 am
    DBtG, you are my hero.

    Now then, I really am off to bed. I will continue this tomorrow.

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:34 am
    please can anyone clarify about the big bang no. because it is impossible it is saying that something that came from nothing due to a reaction with nothing it made a enourmous explosion that made everything is something that i refuse to believe also id rather be made of dirt than a piece of nothing thank you.
  157. Profile photo of DBtG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:34 am
    Mrface5, nothing you`ve said makes sense. I`ve debated with a hell of a lot of people about evolution and creationism, on the internet and in real life. But every time (regardless of the outcome, which is usually neither one of us backing down), I walk away respecting the person I`ve debated with.

    But unfortunately I can`t say that anymore. You obviously don`t grip the fundamental concepts of Natural Selection, you`re not paying attention to the evidence we`ve given you, and you consistently contradict yourself by demanding proof of the Big Bang then saying "God did it".

    If anything, people like you are evidence that humans are not fully evolved. I hate to say it, but there`s no way I can leave this thread politely.

  158. Profile photo of KMeTG
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:34 am
    I was asking, face, what the hell you were talking about when you said that compatibility between the genes of humans and bacteria is not proof of evolution.

    Go back and read what I said about selectively breeding dogs, and stop ignoring what I said about Jesus lying while you`re at it. You clearly know nothing about the Bible, nor do you know anything about evolution.

    For the third drating time, I`m gone.

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:36 am
    jesus predicted the falling of many buildings and please being a mormon is much more preposterous than being christian though in the bible it states everyone gets a chance in thier life to repent to god and become christian i dont want to argue i want to prove
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:37 am
    breeding dogs is not preposterous it is playing god sorry i must not have read it i think it is interesting but it wouldnt be possible if god hadnt made it that way
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:38 am
    Why the hell do you have to make it so personal? "and stop ignoring what I said about Jesus lying while you`re at it. You clearly know nothing about the Bible, nor do you know anything about evolution." It`s a debate about evolution and creation. A debate that has been to say going to for years is an understatement. Just because people aren`t giving into your logic doesn`t mean in order for you to feel good about yourself you go an destroy other people.
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:39 am
    and i have studied evolution i was not compelled i have a high iq of 145 but i do not believe in a preposterous theory of me coming from nothingness i dont refuse to believe but i cant
  163. Profile photo of bonitalydia
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:39 am
    Now for the fun comment.

    Will we continue to evolve?

    Yes, because evolution is change. It is not necessarily for the "better", it is the effect of something. It doesn`t happen because we need it to, but we may be benefitted by it. It may be something along the lines of our bodies absorbing fewer calories from the foods we eat, because we don`t need them all for our sedentary lifestyle.

    But on the other hand, I suppose everyone is thinking about this from where they come from, despite the fact that the majority of the world`s population does not have access to the technology and benefits that most of us have. There are quite a few people who do struggle to survive, so wouldn`t that lean in evolution`s favor?

  164. Profile photo of talljack
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:40 am
    Uh excuse me what about vishnu and all his friends? All you guiz are so biased.
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:40 am
    I apologize if I offended you, Rock On37. I usually try to respect people. But when people don`t listen (or in this case, read) anything you have to say, It gets quite frustrating.
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:41 am
    also the reason god has waited so many years to show up again a second time is to see how people would believe in him when science is at large you see he hasnt come for a reason and although this is just a theory i really hope that when i die i dont go to hell i want everyone to go to heaven not to the lake of eternal fire and if you dont know what that is please study the bible and history before you shoot it down
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    "You don`t have to be able to outrun the bear. You just have to be able to outrun your friend."
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:43 am
    talljack, are you benefitting anybody?
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:43 am
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - creationists... more retarded than this comment
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:45 am
    DBtG I have been waiting so long for you to answer what i asked about where we came from and you can still not while i can god made us noone believes anymore because now there is so much doubt with science that is why miracles are so rare and nearly none at all but there are miracles my last request before i leave is to answer my question how did the universe come to be and why?
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:45 am
    DBtG, is YOUR MOM BENEFITING ANYBODY? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:47 am
    talljack stop noone needs you here stop annoying us
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:47 am
    and your mom jokes are old....
  174. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:48 am
    id ask her if she wasnt dead...
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:48 am
    DBtG I am looking at what you have to say and you make great sense, but I don`t think you are getting to mad about that, and instead of looking at what the other people are saying, trying to defend. everyone is getting to upset when think about it, no one is going to change their minds, don`t try to hard to conform other people and instead be at least a little open minded. This is a question that may very well never be solved it`s nothing to freak out about.
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:49 am
    NOT AZZ OLD AZZ UR MOM LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLO

    PHHHHHHAAAAAALLLLLLUUUSSSSSSSSSSS

    werd

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:50 am
    jk shes very much alive and if you want a yo mama contest ill give you one
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:50 am
    d00d, ur mom iz dead? Im srry.

    JK THIS IS THE INTERNETZ NOBODY CAREZ LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:50 am
    woah right after the post to i guess you want a momma contest
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:51 am
    talljack you got to get off the forums lol
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:52 am
    plz turn this comment list into something else than some dumb played out argument. The internet is for LOLz not debate pplz. Or have you never been to a forum?

    Whatever. I`m gonna go hang with my gurlfriend and check out the lunar eclipse 2nite.

    LOOOOZZZERZ

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:52 am
    eww a lesbo
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:53 am
    for the last five minutes its been an flaming forum
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:54 am
    peace out everyone evolutionists athiest and fellow christians this forum is getting old and gay!
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:57 am
    NerdSquared,

    Sorry, but neither a flagellum, nor any other structure found in living things is irreducibly complex. If such a structure existed, then the theory of natural selection would have to be tossed out. Precursors to the flagellum`s motor system are found as ionic channels in bacteria, known as the Type III Secretory System. Of the 42 proteins found in the flagellum, 40 have already been found in use in different biological pathways. Michael Behe, the main proponent of IC, has been time and time again discredited in court (see Kitzmiller v. Dover). It`s all just a sexed-up version of Paley`s argument that the watch must have a watchmaker.

  186. Profile photo of bonitalydia
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:01 am
    Mrface5, evolution is adaptation. That`s pretty much it. I understand that you have trouble with evolution, because it does not explain how everything started in the first place, but do you disregard all science (and medicine) because you don`t understand how the big bang could have happened without God? A huge part of the problem with the evolution/creation argument, is that it is in reality a atheist/theist argument in disguise. But there are many scientists and other people who don`t have a problem with evolution and believe in God. It is just that you can`t use faith to explain anything scientifically. I have no problem with thinking that God created evolution. Why would he sit around and control every little change in every animal when he could just make it happen on it`s own (isn`t that a lot more impressive?) Plus, the autopilot idea is the only thing I can come up with to explain the flounder ;)
  187. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:01 am
    your kinda late ste christians already won...
  188. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:04 am
    for the 5th time i am saying there is no conclusive proof for evolution so i refuse to believe it i understand many things and believe many things and i do not only believe what i understand becuase i do not under stand god yet i believe even though i know science math literature i know many things as do many other people but other people dont believe please before you believe in evolution read the book i did and it was if anything mediocre
  189. Profile photo of bonitalydia
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:06 am
    What book did you read?
  190. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:06 am
    again good bye and good night i might get dragged back though
  191. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:06 am
    origin of species
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:07 am
    by charles darwin if you don`t know though i assume you do :)
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:11 am
    What do you mean by conclusive proof? I think the nature of science leads to no conclusive proof in anything. Every current scientific "fact" and theory is only true so long as there is nothing better to explain the same thing. Personally, I think evolution makes more sense than anything else I`ll ever hear, and that`s why I trust in it, but I don`t expect anyone else to, I just don`t like it when people attack it like it`s a weak theory, because it isn`t, and most of the information on it available to the public is false. I saw Michael Behe give a speech on Intelligent Design, and I have no problem with debating theories, but scientifically, I have to say that evolution is the only thing that makes sense at this point.
  194. Profile photo of bonitalydia
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:13 am
    I have the Origin of Species and I`ve read it multiple times. I thought maybe you knew of something else that I would be interested in, heh. It`s an interesting book in theory, but it`s horrible to read, and a good starting point, but there`s a lot that it doesn`t cover.
  195. Profile photo of Mrface5
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:13 am
    exactly i listen to evolution but i dont believe in it because we have intelligent design only that that one with a design more advanced could make not a miny black hole
  196. Profile photo of bonitalydia
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:16 am
    If you really want something to challenge you, I`d recommend The Blind Watchmaker. Though I will warn you, Dawkins does not shy from pushing atheism like it`s crack. It gets annoying, because even he (a great evolutionary biologist) falls into the trap that you can`t believe in both God and evolution.
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:17 am
    I should say "makes sense to me" in a previous post.
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:19 am
    Anywho, that`s enough from me tonight. It`s getting late and I need to sleep.
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:19 am
    he may be great but like all evolutionists he is wrong....though god I believe exists i know evolution doesn`t because it is unprovable no one was there to watch and see it happen and no one can the same applies for god but for him there is proof that he exists for evolution it is illogical
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:22 am
    good night i just hope god meets you....
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:26 am
    Wait... Evolution doesn`t exist because no one saw it happen? You can`t see gravity. Does that mean it doesn`t exist? And you can actually see evolution happen. It may be another thing to say it didn`t happen/didn`t cause the plethora of species alive today, but just because you can`t prove it, you are going to say it doesn`t exist. You can`t prove that God exists. As much as you believe he does, you can`t prove it to anyone else. You might witness miracles, but you can`t prove they were God`s doing. Faith is belief that does not rest in proof. That`s it`s definition. I could use your argument to say that I don`t believe in God, but I do know that evolution is real.
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    August 28, 2007 at 1:27 am
    You just hope God meets me? What`s that supposed to mean? Way to assume things about someone you know nothing about.

    You know what? I really really hope God meets you. Because you could really use it.

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    August 28, 2007 at 2:43 am
    meh...we are all going to die anyways...
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    August 28, 2007 at 3:05 am
    not if we evolve to be immortal
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    August 28, 2007 at 8:18 am
    For drat`s sake, Face, I already told you, evolution has been observed to happen with fruit flies. I don`t get what`s so difficult to believe about it. Everyone has a different DNA pattern, yes? That`s what causes evolution. If we lived in a world where tall people bash their heads on low branches and die, there`d be no tall people left. Evolution happens when those not best-suited to survive die and don`t pass on their genes. Those who are left become dominant and the occurrence of the `survival gene` in the population increases.

    Evolution is why most people in Europe are white while most people in Africa are black.

    In my next post I shall explain how the universe began, okay? Good. Now then...

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    August 28, 2007 at 8:24 am
    Approximately 13.7 billion years ago, the universe sprang into being thanks to the Big Bang. Where did it come from? It wasn`t God, that`s for sure. The universe came from what`s known as a singularity. This is an unimaginably tiny particle. Smaller than an atom, an electron, smaller than the tiniest particles that make up the particles that make electrons. It`s so tiny that it very nearly doesn`t exist. This singularity contains all the matter and energy in the universe. Now this is the tough part: when you imagine the singularity, it`s easy to imagine it as being a tiny dot in the vast blackness of space, as if it were paint waiting to be splattered on a canvas. At that point, the blackness of space did not exist. The canvas itself was contained within the paint. There was nothing outside the singularity that we can perceive or observe, just as now there is nothing outside the universe that we can detect. Next I`ll explain where the singularity came from.
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    August 28, 2007 at 8:25 am
    Wow! This has gotten out of hands!

    bonitalydia

    As I said, if you just take tjose things from bible that you happen to like, and ignore everything else, it`s nothing but a pathetic way of believing in God. I think the creation of our world is a central argument in the Bible and the most important work of God`s. Evolutionism = nothing is born with a sudden "pop!". Therefore it is ignorant to believe in God that created everything like that, if you believe in evolution also.

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    August 28, 2007 at 8:27 am
    uh... right
    they made all that sound SO dramatic
    like
    "a new age of specialist reptiles has dawned!
    pah :P
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    August 28, 2007 at 8:31 am
    When our universe comes to an end, there are 3 ways it can go, and we`re not far enough along in our understanding of the universe to say which or when, which is why we have to wait a bit, but the ideas are: The Big Freeze, where the universe continues to expand and expand and everything moves further away from each other, leading to the loss of heat from the universe; the Static Universe, where it expands until it reaches a fixed size and does not change at all after that; and the Big Crunch, where eventually it collapses back in on itself under gravity and begins to shrink, much like a star does when it becomes a black hole. Picture, if you will, a scene where the whole universe becomes one giant black hole. At the centre of this black hole would be a singularity, where all the matter and energy would be crushed together. Based on this, it`s my belief that our universe sprang from a giant black hole that consumed a previous universe. Next: why God didn`t do it.
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    August 28, 2007 at 8:32 am
    KMetG said it right above. Here in Finland some studies have been made about animals adapting to their new / changed environment. For example in heavy industrial areas certain butterflies have developed a darker colour because of the air pollution; they can hide better from birds etc. So only those darker butterflies have survived, and then have cute little dark babies and so on.

    Small steps at a time. It isn`t so hard to understand, is it?

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    August 28, 2007 at 8:34 am
    KMetG take it easy! You`ll have a heart attack if you continue going on like that! :D
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    August 28, 2007 at 8:38 am
    The Christian God didn`t do it because He doesn`t exist. He is a figment of the imagination. He was used by early peoples to explain that which they couldn`t understand, because they lacked the means to find the facts. Instead they picked the explanation that best suited them.

    The Christian God is perfect, yes? Why would a perfect being create something. By it`s very nature, a perfect being needs nothing. But let`s say He did. Okay, so, what else do we know about God? Well, He knows everything. So why then does he get angry? Emotion is a reaction to new knowledge. If he knew all along people would piss about and he`d have to destroy them, why would he get angry about it?

    The Bible contradicts itself time and again over the nature of God that it cannot be used to prove he exists. Believe in Him all you like, but don`t quote the Bible. It`s a collection of fairy tales, all as untrue as the Aborigine story of the toad that ate everything. Next: life`s origin.

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    August 28, 2007 at 9:04 am
    I`ve been having heart attacks all night dude, when I think of people who disregard scientific fact because they haven`t seen it themselves. I thought I might explain to Face all the stuff he wants to know. I`m hoping in return he can prove God`s existence.

    Life began approximately 3 billion years ago. It didn`t spring out of nothing, not in the slightest. Experiments have been done that replicate the Earth`s climate and chemical composition such as the atmosphere, and proteins and amino acid chains began to form. These are the building blocks of life just as much as DNA. The proteins would replicate themselves and proliferate, just as life does. DNA`s nature is to replicate, and this takes up resources. The better replicators combined with phospholipid bilayers - the membrane of cells. These are known as protobionts and they have been proven to arise spontaneously, on their own. As they grew more complex they evolved into prokaryotes.

    Simple really.

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    Everything I`ve said is regarded as scientific fact. Anyone who disregards it might as well try to claim we don`t need oxygen to survive.
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    August 28, 2007 at 9:53 am
    The difference really is that people who believe in evolution do not fight wars over it, unlike the people who believe in god.
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    I`ll say it again. God is an excuse to avoid rational thought. When you believe in God, you don`t have to try to wrap your head around complex ideas like evolution. You can just put your hands over your ears and say "I DON`T HAVE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT! GOD DID IT!"
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:15 pm
    It seems to me by far the largest step many people are uncomfortable taking is transposing the very rapid evolution of microorganisms onto the drawn-out evolution of macroorganisms such as animals. It all goes back to generation time, namely the measure of how much time is required for one generation to bear its offspring. Because the generation time for animals is so much longer in reference to bacteria (E. coli, for instance, has a generation time of twenty minutes), it makes sense that the changes in genetic code from one generation to the next would require a far greater expanse of time to amount to anything significant and observable.
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:17 pm
    take that god!
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:20 pm
    davymid:

    "Very intelligent comment, enjoyed reading it. I`m a professional scientist (PhD Geology) and atheist, but I don`t think science has an inalieable right to flame religion (and vice versa). Whatever helps people lead good, socially responsible lives is fine by me.

    As I`ve stated before on these forums, I have a problem with religion when religious nuts (usually Christian Fundamentalists) who come out and try to inject creationism into valid scientific areas. Scientists (in general) don`t do out of their way to bullsh*t the bible.

    The greatest coup that the creationist community ever pulled off was to spread the lie that there is a debate among the respected, international scientific community that scientists disagree on evolution vs creationism, and that we should "TEACH THE CONTROVERSY". There is no controversy, it`s a lie. Scientists (or maybe 99.9% of them) believe in evolution.

    Science in real life, religion in faith. Let`s keep it like that"

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    August 28, 2007 at 12:23 pm
    Dude you own. :-)
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    DBtG Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2007 at 12:28 pm
    10 pages...
    That`s pretty impressive, but I think the last post that had something to do with evolution ended up with fourteen.

    I love debating.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    August 28, 2007 at 12:34 pm
    "It gets annoying, because even he (a great evolutionary biologist) falls into the trap that you can`t believe in both God and evolution."

    I`m in the process of reading that book and it`s not so much that Dawkins doesn`t feel one can believe in both God and evolution (although one doesn`t believe in evolution, per se, so much as they simply accept it), it`s that he sees such a sentiment as being thoroughly unreasonable and unbalanced. Why choose to believe in some ideas supported by evidence and others not at all supported by evidence? How does one reconcile living according to reason and evidence with living according to supernatural beliefs?

    From my viewpoint, the only arguments that justify this are that the believer was 1. instilled with that belief when he\she was young and naive, 2. seeks emotional\personal closure, or 3. is still easily persuaded and gullible. But then, none of these are good reasons for believing anything one says.

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    ARC123 Female 13-17
    269 posts
    August 28, 2007 at 6:21 pm
    I believe in evolution to an extent...but to say we came from fish and turned into dinosaurs? That just stupid and illogical.
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    kph155 Male 13-17
    528 posts
    August 28, 2007 at 9:32 pm
    I believe in God and evolution, after all, the universe couldn`t have created itself.
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    SiriusLives Female 18-29
    428 posts
    August 28, 2007 at 9:36 pm
    Gotta love evolution.
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 28, 2007 at 10:26 pm
    Where then, ARC123, did mammals come from?
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    black_jello Male 18-29
    7 posts
    August 28, 2007 at 11:05 pm
    religion in retarded... way to hang on to something your parents taught you so you could understand life as a child.... does the tooth fairy still visit you?
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    thats_nifty Female 13-17
    416 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 1:13 am
    OH MY GOODNESS BIG WALLS OF TEXT.

    But in all seriousness, it was The Power Rangers that created this earth.

    Everyone knows it deep down inside.

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    Montreal Male 18-29
    1 post
    August 29, 2007 at 2:08 am
    MrFace5: "and i have studied evolution i was not compelled i have a high iq of 145 but i do not believe in a preposterous theory of me coming from nothingness i dont refuse to believe but i cant"
    - - -

    That`s a pretty high IQ for someone who is a firm believer in the term "Run-on sentence". That`s only 15 away from Einstein`s speculated IQ!

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    PlatinumKate Female 18-29
    301 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 2:18 am
    Why aren`t dinosaurs in the bible?
  231. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 4:45 am
    When fossils were starting to be discovered, some supposed they were the bones of giants.

    Then scientists started putting them together, and finding more, and putting them together, and sometimes they`d get it wrong, but what they found were the first traces of the biggest and oldest organisms anyone had ever found by that point. It was obvious they outdated the age of the Earth in the Bible so Christians tried lengthening the supposed 6 days of Creation into the millions it would take to explain the fossils.

    Then people started finding the remains of sea creatures in places where the sea was too high to reach. We know now it`s partly because the sea levels change, and also because rock moves around. This would indicate that the Earth was vastly older even than the dinosaurs.

    So what did Christians do?

    They said that the ancient remains were put there by God to test the faithful.

    Denial much, hmm?

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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
    4246 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 5:27 am
    Awwww, I work a double-shift for ONE night and look at what I miss!!! Stupid everything. :-(
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    HappyFree Female 18-29
    23 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 11:40 am
    Robok: "the funny thing is that they couldn`t find any fossile to prove it. There are fossil of fish with and without teeth, but none that shows the smooth transition from the two species of fish. Etc for almost all other transition."

    A species is something which is defined by biologists. Whenever they find a new fossil they deicde which species it fits into best - therefore no fossil can be lables a "transition". The above comment says nothing profound about evolution, just something dull about how zoologists choose to name things. :)

    PS: read up on ring species such as the black-backed gull and herring gull.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 12:54 pm
    "I believe in God and evolution, after all, the universe couldn`t have created itself."

    I know of not a single scientist who claims the universe created itself, or that anything can create itself. The Universe as we know it was born out of the Big Bang. Before that we can only as yet speculate.

    Also, simply because we cannot precisely explain the origin of the Universe does not automatically mean `God did it`. I suspect there exists a natural human inclination toward belief in God, and this should be suppressed when recognized in order to discover the explanation behind existence. Saying God did it, after all, isn`t an explanation but rather an excuse not to pursue the matter more thoroughly. God has not as yet smote anyone for asking questions.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 3:33 pm
    My wish list:

    1. Fundies would actually read the bible, and the Origin of Species. Go out into the field, and do a little research of their own, and actually try to refute evolution that way (which has failed for 150 years, and might convert a few fundies).

    2. People who defend evolution would be a little more knowledgable about it, and stop trying to reconcile their God delusion with it. Evolution is a non-teleological process; we are not the final product of this; and, a meal-worm is equally as evolved as us, and arguably so is anything else on this planet--including viruses, bacteria, etc. We are just the dominant predator.

    3. Everyone would take biology a little more seriously, and understand the scientific process, and what a lay-person is. Also, I would appreciate it if people would learn the difference between theory and hypothesis, because that would clear up 95% of the arguments I hear in the first place.

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    v_wilkes85
    246 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 10:06 pm
    OK, you athiests can keep on believing whatever you want, just don`t force your evolution bullpoo onto us.

    Anyway, if we evolved from apes, then why can`t a person go out and screw a monkey and get it pregnant?

    Why haven`t there been any half-man, half-ape fossils found? Where`s your missing link?

    How did life begin? Did life just suddenly appear out of nothing? Admit it, life would not exist without creation.

    Hey, I`m not trying to `convert you` like you apes claim us Christians try to do; remember, no one`s forcing you to believe what we believe, so stop trashing is. Just because you believe in a certain thing, that doesn`t make it correct. Who knows, either of us could very well be wrong, but we won`t find out until the day we die.

    if we`re right:
    those of us who remained faithful go to heaven, while athiest monkeys like you burn in hell

    if you`re right:
    um...... so tell me athiests; what crackpot theories do you have about the afterlife?

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    v_wilkes85
    246 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 10:11 pm
    Remember athiests; don`t get offended when I call you people apes, because, of course, don`t you believe we evolved from them some how?

    Look at it this way: ATHIESTS HATE JEWS, ATHIESTS THINK BLACK PEOPLE ARE APES, AND ATHIESTS DON`T BELIEVE IN FREE INDEPENDANT THOUGHT. Athiesm sounds like a racist cult to me.

  238. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 11:16 pm
    "Anyway, if we evolved from apes, then why can`t a person go out and screw a monkey and get it pregnant?"

    Evolution differentiates the species, but I think you`d find no one`s saying we evolved from apes who isn`t as uneducated in the subject as you seem to be.

    "How did life begin? Did life just suddenly appear out of nothing?"

    Isn`t that what the creationists are saying? Hmm.

    "Just because you believe in a certain thing, that doesn`t make it correct."

    Exactly right, a point that should be shone on religious types everywhere. For our part, the evidence speaks for itself.

    "...don`t you believe we evolved from them some how?"

    No. Next.

    "ATHIESTS DON`T BELIEVE IN FREE INDEPENDANT THOUGHT."

    Call atheists racists if you want to be ugly, but this one I cannot pass. Atheism is *founded* on independent thought. Religion begs people to subscribe to specific beliefs while atheism advocates an enduring search for truth.

  239. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 11:36 pm
    "ATHIESTS HATE JEWS, ATHIESTS THINK BLACK PEOPLE ARE APES, AND ATHIESTS DON`T BELIEVE IN FREE INDEPENDANT THOUGHT."

    What the drat? Where the hell did all this come from? Last time I checked, it was the Christians who hated the Jews. First the Inquisition, then Hitler.

    As for atheists thinking black people are apes, that`s just drating ridiculous. How can a Christian claim that atheists are white supremacists when Jesus himself is always represented as white when he was from the Middle drating East?

    It`s hard not to force evolution on you when it`s the simple and obvious fact. And I personally have already explained how life began: proteins and amino acids arise spontaneously, it`s been proven. DNA is driven by it`s chemical nature to self-replicate and 3 billion years ago began to do it within a lipid membrane. That was the beginning of life.

  240. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 11:45 pm
    "why can`t a person go out and screw a monkey and get it pregnant?"

    Because humans and monkeys are not the same species. It`s the same for why a lion cannot mate with a domestic cat. We share about 99.5% DNA with chimpanzees, but it needs to be a lot closer than that.

    "Why haven`t there been any half-man, half-ape fossils found?"

    You`ve been living under your Bible for too long. I have only this link as my answer:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopit...

    It`s an ancestor of humans and apes. You probably haven`t heard of Lucy. She was the most famous discovery. There`s a link on that page if you can pull your nose out of Jesus`s arsehole long enough to find it.

    Unlike Christians, I`m not arrogant enough to think there`s an afterlife. What we do in this life counts. I`m a loving boyfriend to the girl I love, and I`m a true friend to those around me. If there is an afterlife

  241. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 11:54 pm
    ...then that`s what I`ll be judged on. It certainly won`t be the Christian God doing the judging, he doesn`t exist.
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 29, 2007 at 11:55 pm
    As a last point before I go to bed, how the hell can you stand there and think calling a human an ape is an insult? You`re a human as well, wilkes, and we have the same ancestors, as much as I hate to admit it.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 12:21 am
    Wiikes:

    You`re probably a troll, because everyone of your arguments has been refuted at one point or another--just by common sense alone.

    Anyway, you can get a Chimpanzee pregnant and create a hyrbid, and evolution is a gradual process, and we come from a common ancestor to the apes.

    etc. etc. You`re just a pooty learner, and you should go kill yourself.

    Also, some atheists do hate jews, blacks, etc. But atheism has nothing to do with the individual actions of an atheist. Because atheism is a belief as much as being bald is a hair color.

    You`re just too stupid.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
    902 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 12:24 am
    SPRINKZ! I thought we had a lack of pussies around here!

    Welcome back!

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 12:24 am
    every one*
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 12:24 am
    Hylian, go suck on a halberd.
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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
    902 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 12:26 am
    Only if.....

    F*ck it, I had planned on doing that anyway.

    Consider this a draw. Until next time!

  248. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 1:04 am
    Gadget! Haha...muahahahaha!!
  249. Profile photo of R_U_Kidding
    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
    4246 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 4:17 am
    See, the evolution-vs-creation debate is like a series of tubes. It`s not a big truck.
  250. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 3:50 pm
    "...what crackpot theories do you have about the afterlife?"

    Who needs one? The afterlife is overrated anyway. Except for hell, maybe; I`d pay to go to hell if I wasn`t already for free. *grins*

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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 9:25 pm
    Overmann & KMeTG,

    This comment string is already old I know, but I have to get my 2 cents worth in-

    You guys are my heroes. Spending your free time on the forums promoting rational thought and continually shooting down these religious freaks (you know who you are) with cold, rational argument (ever notice how they never actually come back to debate one of your points, but move on to another well-rehearsed religious mantra. I mean the usual things of

    1. Where are the transition fossils

    2. It`s a matter of personal belief, I chose the Bible, you chose Evolution

    3. It`s called the theory of evolution for a reason- it`s only a theory.

    4. (my personal favourite) My Christianity ensures my place in heaven, you are going to hell unless you are saved (presumably with all the Hindus, Muslims, Jews and the rest). I will pray that you realise the truth.

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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 9:31 pm
    You guys are doing a noble thing, in your small way, and I salute your spirit. If everyone was like us, the world would not be in the sh*tpile it`s in today. Don`t preach to me about religion being a good thing. I`m from Northern Ireland.

    If I ever become the President of the World, I`m going to establish an award called the Overmann Medal (no offence KMeTG, you`ll be the first recipient). For Unselfish Services to Rational Free Thought in the Face of Overwhelming Idiocy.
  253. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 9:55 pm
    For Chrissakes, hurry up and become President of the World, I wanted my damned Overmann Medal! :P:D

    Your support is much appreciated dude. It`s good to know there`s another member of the species who isn`t a mouth-breathing God-bummer.

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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 10:26 pm
    Also, NeurolRu, DBtG and The_Maddog deserve an Overmann Medal for their stalwart defence "In the Face of Overwhelming Idiocy" in the whole "what evolution left behind on humans" debate. http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?pag...

    Those guys realised the potential breach about pages 4-5 and were quick to plug the gap.

    Heroes, all.

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    kev2k5 Male 18-29
    67 posts
    August 30, 2007 at 10:33 pm
    Don`t know if anyone has said this already, but this is from the BBC`s/Discovery`s `Walking With Monsters`.

    Worth a watch if you like documentaries.

    Episode 1
    Episode 2
    Episode 3

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    August 31, 2007 at 12:32 am
    Haha, Overmann Medal? Unselfish Services to Rational Free Thought in the Face of Overwhelming Idiocy? I love it! Bravo!

    That thread is a favorite of mine, davymid, I have it bookmarked. NeurolRu did an especially good job. I also have the one on `Which Americans Believe in God` bookmarked (here). It`s a mediocre read but really kicks up around page 13 for some obscure reason.

    Maybe there won`t be a material Overmann Medal anytime soon, but I`d be humbled to have both of you on my buddy list.

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    Darkveils5 Female 13-17
    8 posts
    September 2, 2007 at 12:47 pm
    That`s ummm... demeaning.
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    jffry_liu Male 18-29
    8 posts
    September 2, 2007 at 6:35 pm
    That show is land before the dinosurs or something...
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    AKappy Male 18-29
    2616 posts
    September 3, 2007 at 11:59 am
    NUH UH! GOD AND STUFF!
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    Medici Male 30-39
    26 posts
    September 3, 2007 at 12:18 pm
    That seems all cut up to me.
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    geek_kittie Female 30-39
    66 posts
    November 25, 2007 at 5:43 pm
    Rated 2.8.

    That doesn`t give me much faith in humanity.

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    Invalok Male 18-29
    724 posts
    December 2, 2007 at 5:58 am
    South Park`s Evolution theory ftw!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7cAwGZ26...

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    ClearSky87 Male 18-29
    227 posts
    June 5, 2008 at 6:25 pm
    i hate when people say evolution is only a theory

    it is a theory in a SCIENTIFIC sense...

    and by those rigorous standards, intelligent design is far from being a theory

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