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    buddy Male 30-39
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    July 10, 2007 at 7:36 pm
    Link: Which Americans Believe in God - The most godless region seems to be the Pacific northwest.
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    Lou Two Male 18-29
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    July 10, 2007 at 7:48 pm
    Apparantly proximity to the sea is a strong negative correlating factor to belief in God
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:31 am
    AHHH!! I live in Washington I must be doomed!
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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:33 am
    Hahaha!!! I live in Washington, too! }-)

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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:34 am
    ^^^ Yeah, unless that Sea is parted on a regular basis...
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    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:38 am
    Which god I wonder. Any god? Or Zeus? It`s really amazing that in the age of cell phones, the internet and stem cell therapy people still believe in fairy tales. What the hell is wrong with people?
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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:39 am
    Suddenly I wonder: Why are the states in the east divided into so many damn counties??
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    tannerwoody Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:39 am
    poo im in the danger zone: west texas...
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    Aristotle Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:40 am
    Is anyone else _amazed_ by Utah??

    btw. I don`t buy the results of this survey at all - every other bit of statistical evidence I`ve seen counters these results.

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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:40 am
    Why do you consider it a fairy tale XP just because you don`t believe doesn`t mean you have to flame others for believing. I think it`s foolish to believe that there isn`t a higher power whether it be the God we know from the bible or something else. We just can`t say either way.
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    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:44 am
    If you believe the sun is made of blue cheese I will mock you. There is the same amount of evidence for the Christan God as there is for the sun being made of blue cheese, therefore I mock people who believe nonsense. Especially when that nonsense seems to make them want to control everybody elses lives, including my own.
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    _CW_ Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:49 am
    This is dated in 2000, there is probably more/less people now.
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    Aristotle Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:49 am
    xp: you give atheists like me a bad name. your analogy is way off. there is evidence of the sun being something besides blue cheese. there is NO EVIDENCE either way indicating existence of either God or no God. NO EVIDENCE. NONE.

    If you say the _lack of evidence_ is evidence, you are wrong. And dumb. If you say your holy book is evidence, I ask you what about person B`s holy book which contradicts yours and which also declares to have the unassailable, absolute truth.

    The only logical thing to do is to ask ourselves, individually what makes the most sense, and to act upon that. Whether our answer leads us to believe in the supernatural or not, by relying upon our reason, and our reason alone, we will come to good conclusions.

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    iChris Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:50 am
    im an atheist aslo, but its no reason to be a total douche to anybody who believes in something different. and the same goes for the other side. its not foolish to beilieve in a higher power, and its not foolish to believe in nothing.
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:50 am
    There is evidence all around you that there is a higher power I think the world coming together strictly by coincidence is a lot harder to believe than God.
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    Ianislevi Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:51 am
    Oregon wins! Yes! Woohoo!
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
    434 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 2:51 am
    AHHHH!! I hate this debate
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    Tjames Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:56 am
    I live in washington as well, HOMG
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:57 am
    Tjames; woo we should all get together for a pot-luck lmao....on a side note, is it not hot as hell out here or what?
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    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:01 am
    See flying spaghetti monster or the invisible pink unicorn and I`ll rest my case there. The point is that there is just as much evidence for any silly story I come up with that is untestable and unfalsifiable. If you believe in a Christian (or Jewish or Muslim) God you should equally accept the FSM or IPU. It`s in a book so it must be true. Now that is fine and good. whatever. Believe whatever you want, I have my own beliefs that are silly too. The difference is that I do not tell people how to live their lives. I do not start wars, tell people they cannot get married, sow seeds of hate and ignorance, vote blindly for whatever evil bastard my preacher tells me to. I have to live on this planet too and I`m sick of all these believers screwing it up.
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:04 am
    You know it`s not fair to put that label on all christian`s XP most of us live our quiet unassuming lives. It`s the few wack-os that make us all look crazy. I believe there is a God, but I think organized religion is not a good idea gets people into that whole "Mob mentality"; How about I wont tell you what to believe and you`ll stop making fun of my God. Is it a deal?
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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:04 am
    "on a side note, is it not hot as hell out here or what?"

    Way too hot here!!! I want my winter back!

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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:09 am
    Evidence God Exists
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:10 am
    Well Chikoori atleast we have rain to look forward to next week, not looking forward to tomorrow and another 100 degree day I`m down here in the valley praying for a wind gust.
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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:12 am
    100? Dang, it`s only been getting to about 85 where I am! Even at that temp I`m roasting. I`d probably die at 100 degrees ;-()
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:14 am
    holy cow you`re lucky you must live on the coast!! Here in the Seattle area it`s roasting
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    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:16 am
    I don`t even know your god how can I make fun of him? If he/she/it is not the God that makes people start wars, vote for fascists, blow up buildings, hate gay people, and ban booze on Sundays, then I have no problem with you or your God. I gave up trying to convince people long ago as the indoctrination most organized religion does on it`s followers inoculates them from the effects of logic. The best I can hope for is to keep new people from becoming infected and to convince the already infected that they need to stop screwing with my life. So we can have a deal, if you can stop the all the insanity and convince your fellow believers to stop messing with my life I`ll shut my mouth on the subject forever.
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    Lompocus Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:16 am
    The one for middle of cali is errored. EVERYONE IN SANTA MARIA, SANTA BARBARA, LOMPOC, SANTA YNEZ, NIPOMO, ETC. IS CATHOLIC MEXICAN! WHOOO
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    sulu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:17 am
    huh notice how all of the middle is believing.

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    cannibal151 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:21 am
    Californian, Godless and proud of it
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    chikoori Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:25 am
    "holy cow you`re lucky you must live on the coast!! Here in the Seattle area it`s roasting"

    Well, the sound is less than a mile away. I live near Boeing`s Everett factory

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:33 am
    yay, im in one of the god less counties in TEXAS. i think thats a major accomplishment
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:35 am
    xp, your a douche
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    sulu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:35 am
    You know what I don`t think this is right. I think some didn`t submit in those areas because Arizona is a very conservative state.

    and if you look at it. Large areas show less belief than Los Angeles. And that`s not right for sure.

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:40 am
    dammit, im wrong. dang. o well. at least i dont live in kansas
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    niabaUK Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:06 am
    I made this account just now so that I could point out a glaring error in "Evidence God Exists"
    They state that `The atheist`s assertion that matter/energy is eternal is scientifically wrong.`
    but also say `In order for matter to come out of nothing, all of our scientific laws dealing with the conservation of matter/energy would have to be wrong...`
    Maybe you don`t understand why this is contradictory read it and maybe you will.
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    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:07 am
    Thanks Kenny! You`ve made me see the light with your logical argument. I am now enlightened. Any other pearls of wisdom?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:10 am
    It is patently insane to believe in anything other than what you can observe.
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    niabaUK Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:13 am
    Sorry to double post but they also quote the bible in a `purely scientific` paper.
    Also I agree with XP most people grow out of imaginary friends before their teens.
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    AtomicMuffin Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:22 am
    Religious arguments are dumb. Everyone is entitled to their OWN OPINIONS. I don`t need to state mine.
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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:45 am
    "Absence of evidence IS NOT evidence of absence." - Carl Sagan
    (I put in the caps for emphasis)

    Still, I think that just because WE exist, that doesn`t prove GOD exists. And I find it easier to believe that Earth was slowly formed from floating rocks & dust over millions/billions of years. Compared to everything suddenly springing into reality roughly 8000 years ago, over a span of six days.

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    M3chan1caL Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:57 am
    Tjames
    Male, 13-17, Western US
    184 Posts Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:56:07 AM
    I live in washington as well, HOMG


    HOMG!!! I`ve found someone that says "HOMG" and doesn`t live in my area. It`s a miracle xD

    Is this a chart based on "Religion" or "Christianity"??

    P.S. being from Australia i have no idea of what im looking at...well except Texas

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    benjbenj Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:05 am
    Yes, "everything suddenly springing into reality roughly 8000 years ago, over a span of six days" sounds like a highly unscientific event. I wonder whether there`s any Christian who can prove scientifically that this Genesis stuff actually took place...
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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:20 am
    M3chan1caL, the chart`s fine print says 149 `religious bodies` took part in a study, so it`s not limited to Christianity. By the way, what`s the H stand for in HOMG?

    benjbenj, Proof Denies Faith. Any reader of The Hitchiker`s Guide to the Galaxy knows that. ;-)

    "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

    "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn`t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don`t. Q.E.D."

    "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn`t thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

    "Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:24 am
    I`m an atheist. Of course. God has zero evidence at the moment.
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    derangedingo Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:51 am
    Bekll, god`s greatest evidence is the universe. Everything you see and touch... all matter had to be created at one point in time.
    However the universe was created (the big bang, maybe?) what created whatever caused the big bang?

    It all leads back to some supreme power starting all of existence.

    Now, I don`t take any religion as anything but a moral guide to living your life, and evolution is f*cking obviously true, and I`m not saying god POOFED earth or anything into existence, I`m just saying people need to stop being so goddamn arrogant. Living without faith in a higher power, of some sort, is unhealthy, foremost, and is freaking stupid.

    It is but HUMAN NATURAL INSTINCT, to believe that something is always of greater power than us. I mean, take a look around you.. our species is only a million or so years old, and you think you`re so high and mighty you`ve conquered the title of Supreme Being?
    Bullpoo I say.
    As for the chart.. sort of stereotypical. (Utah and the sou

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    Guimauvaise Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:54 am
    XP: You said, "The best I can hope for is to keep new people from becoming infected and to convince the already infected that they need to stop screwing with my life." But, you also said that you don`t like for religious people to tell you how to live your life...wouldn`t you be doing the same buy trying to convince religious people that they`re wrong, or by mocking their faith?

    I`m all for the right to choose one`s own beliefs, but you cannot call anyone`s beliefs wrong (unless it`s something factually wrong like 2+2=5) because they are based on things do not understand. That`s why religion is associated with words like "faith" and "belief;" religion by definition implies an adopting of ideas which have no tangible basis in fact. To bash people who do believe is futile, because they already know they can`t point to something and say "look, that`s God/Buddha/Etc. right there!"

    Oh, and I think the Bible is mostly metaphor, so it`s possible

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    Skyira Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:55 am
    damnit i hate New Hampshire....
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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:00 am
    LKJSlain, this is your cue to encourage us to visit godandscience.org or whatever it is.
    Easy there, derangedingo. Nobody said they`ve "conquered the title of Supreme Being" or anything like that. (what does that even mean?) Besides, how is it unhealthy to live without faith in a higher power?

    Also, it seems to me that the height of arrogance is to believe the entire Universe was created solely for humanity. Just sayin`.

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    realblender Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:40 am
    im starting to dislike atheists more than super-holy people now, how much does it suck to be you if its really that big a deal someone believes something they can`t prove?
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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:50 am
    For what it`s worth, realblender, I`m not really taking this debate very seriously. Hence my reference to The Hitchiker`s Guide to the Galaxy.
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    unrealraven Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:52 am
    ok god made every thing right??? so it made war, hunger, death, hate, aids, and on and on. why in the world would i wish to follow that sounds more like someone to kill.

    i think it would be a better world if ppl can do what is needed of there own free will instead of some ppl thinking they have to force others to do it and holding hell or heaven over there heads.

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    evil_noodle Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:56 am
    Does this include a belief in a Goddess? (I am Wiccan)
    I was raised Christian and then went to Atheist until I found that I actually believed in just about everything Pagan.
    I must say that Atheists can sometimes be MUCH nicer than Christians, at least from my point of view. Many Christians believe that anyone different from them is doomed to be thrown into a fiery pit of hell. (And that a Giant ghost rules over everyone watching everything each individual does, even though there are millions of people and he is in human body with TWO eyes. And also that he created everything by thinking of it and saying `so let it be` ... he might as well be wiggling his nose like a witch and having it magically happen ... he did this all in 6 days.) I am very skeptical of the Christian religion, but oh my goddess xp- you put a bad name to all Athiests. Just accept that people believe in something different from you. This world has had faith ever since the beginning of time, and it isn`t (cont.)
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    evil_noodle Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:57 am
    about to change because people have invented cellular phones. Some people need to get a life. Be glad its 5 in the morning or my rant would be much more long and sophisticated. >_< /rant
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    Lou Two Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:17 am
    On 7/11/2007 3:09:09 AM StphnHrrll wrote: Evidence God Exists

    Point 1. 1st The Humanist manifesto was published in 1933. Do you know how far sceince has come since then? Now Theoretical Physicists are looking into methods in which a huge amount of energy and ant-energy could`ve been shunted into our universe at a single point. Ergo Point 1 is moot. The universe forming in a point does not prove the existence of God.
    Point 2. Hydrogen, the lightest molecule there is was THE ONLY molecule created in the big bang, or at least any other molecules were so trace as to be insignificant. Now ask yourself, do you think every molecule in the universe has been through a sun? No? Well then there`s your answer. This point is again linked to the misguided idea that the universe had no beginning.
    Point 3 again relies on the beginning of a Universe prooving Gods existance.

    Don`t over strech yourself there

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    Lou Two Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:18 am
    is no proof of God and there never can be. Proof denies faith, if God gave a method to prove his existence he would deny free will. Trying to proove God`s existence is rediculous
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    Lou Two Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:20 am
    "even though there are millions of people and he is in human body with TWO eyes."

    You don`t really get the holy trinity thing, do you?

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    benjbenj Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:43 am
    Of course, proof denies faith, R U Kidding, so I always wonder why religious people don`t stick to their faith, but feel the urge to disprove scientific theories. Besides, pointing out flaws in scientific theories doesn`t make the Genesis story, Intelligent Design or whatever faith-based stuff true.
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    Shanir Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:45 am
    xp some people have beliefs, if no one believed there would be no religions
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    m0uf Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:48 am
    I have an idea.

    Why don`t all atheists just kill themselves... (Death is inevitable, and time is infinite. To live 100 years is to live 0 years. Therefore, existence is futile. Literally. For those of you who have trouble with literacy, heres some math. If n < infinity and n / infinity = x, x = 0.)

    ...and all of the different religious sects can just kill each other off?

    All the atheists assume their role as absolutely nothing; meaninglessness, in the universe (matter that will eventually change form)... and all the believers either do the same or find out if they were right and spend infinity existing in some form or state. Either way, it doesn`t matter. It is, relatively, the only win/win situation.

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    Infuscation Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:51 am
    Ants trying to comprehend nuclear physics...hence why I`m agnostic.
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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:08 am
    Time and space are derived from energy and matter. For example, black holes, which is a large concentration of matter, distorts both time and space. Therefore time and space did not exist before the big bang. Nothing can be "eternal" without time.
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    tgirl149 Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:10 am
    lol one little part of alaska is very dark while the rest is all white
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    newbie4sale Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:17 am
    And as matter drifts further and further away from the center of the universe, time will simply go slower and slower....until it finally stops. (Sorry for the double post)
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:28 am
    God...
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    paddyboom Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:39 am
    If there have to be causes that lead back to God, then who caused God?
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    nyallcs Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:40 am
    Is it just me or does there seem to be a link between the distance from the ocean and religiousness.
    Oh and to m0uf, why on earth would atheists want to kill themselves, seeing as we don`t believe in an afterlife?
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    xParanoia Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:49 am
    OK, who cares what other people believe? My boyfriend is Baptist and I am Atheist. Neither of us have a problem with it. I go to his youth group to learn about it. I like learning why people believe in God and maybe one day I might find something better than Atheism. Who cares what other people believe? Believe what you want and shut up.
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    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:18 am
    I believe that god is merely something to help people out and deal with life`s troubles...an "imaginary friend" if you will that can give people someone to talk to and to feel that someone is listening to you. I don`t agree with most religions...(before I get a bunch of hate messages...remember everyone is entitled to their own opinion here)...but I do believe it is helpful in that respect...bringing closure to most things and making death not seem so unbearable. It gives hope to people, and I guess most people need that to go on with their daily lives, to have a meaning and a goal at the end when you die, otherwise you would feel it`s pointless. Beliefe in something is good...but everything can be bad if taken to the extreme. :)

    Cheers!
    Thistle

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    cryndigo Female 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:31 am
    I live in that lonely red dot in the middle of Colorado.... not surprising, though. I swear we have more churches than people.
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    Lou Two Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:34 am
    On 7/11/2007 9:18:30 AM Sco_Thistle wrote: I believe that god is merely something to help people out and deal with life`s troubles...an "imaginary friend" if you will that can give people someone to talk to and to feel that someone is listening to you. I don`t agree with most religions...(before I get a bunch of hate messages...remember everyone is entitled to their own opinion here)...but I do believe it is helpful in that respect...bringing closure to most things and making death not seem so unbearable. It gives hope to people, and I guess most people need that to go on with their daily lives, to have a meaning and a goal at the end when you die, otherwise you would feel it`s pointless. Beliefe in something is good...but everything can be bad if taken to the extreme. :) Cheers! Thistle

    So you think yourself better than a believer since you don`t require that support?

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:50 am
    "If there have to be causes that lead back to God, then who caused God?"

    Causation only applies to anything in a timeline. That`s not God.

    That`s if you`re actually asking. If you`re trying to feel smart with big "unanswerable" questions... sorry. Next time at least word it properly.

    "What`s before God" is a good one. Most people don`t understand the answer so you get to pretend it doesn`t have one. Instant smugness. :P

    Uncaused Causes.

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    kevinz Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:51 am
    Oh no...another debate! Both athiests and religious people should keep to themselves. You`ll never convince each other!

    Back to the picture:

    Based on this I conclude (with extremely faulty statistics and science) that the sea causes athiesm. Gah! Bomb the oceans! Water is the spawn of satan!

    I`m going back to check what color the general area around Las Vegas is.

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    Necrotism Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:20 am
    As an atheist I would like to extend my hand in apology to all those my fellow non-believers have offended.

    For me, it was a personal choice to become an atheist; it`s what makes sense to me. This can be apply to everybody here, what they believe or do not believe is the sole result of what makes sense to them.

    It really makes me cringe when people (religious or non-religious) push their beliefs or lack there of on others. Most atheists couldn`t care less about the word God being in the american pledge of allegiance, or on american money. But the media blows it up and makes it seem as if this is our sole purpose in life. They do this to many religions too.

    I know MANY intelligent and down right cool believers, and we do get into debates, but they are never heated nor with purpose of converting the other parties.

    Regardless, please don`t label the masses based on the actions of the few. It`s one step in making world a little easier to live in.

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    conqdequeso Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:38 am
    ^^necrotism I completely agree with you ......and im extremely catholic
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    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:39 am
    Hmm... looks like the Bible belt is actually in the MIDDLE of the country, not the deep south, as so many smug Hollywood movies want you to believe.
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    conqdequeso Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:39 am
    i didnt mean it like im an extremist, i just wanted to emphasize that im a catholic and he is an atheist and we can agree
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    schmidtjrK7 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:48 am
    awww...and i thought north carolina was part of the bible belt!! oh and if you people are seriously going to argue religion, then you need to stop. because when all the bullsh is taken away, it all boils down to one simple fact: NO ONE KNOWS UNTIL YOU`RE DEAD.
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    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:49 am
    "Now that is fine and good. whatever. Believe whatever you want, I have my own beliefs that are silly too. The difference is that I do not tell people how to live their lives. I do not start wars, tell people they cannot get married, sow seeds of hate and ignorance, vote blindly for whatever evil bastard my preacher tells me to. I have to live on this planet too and I`m sick of all these believers screwing it up."
    how stupid can you be? you don`t start wars, or tell others how to live? did you not JUST condemn all Christians for believing in a "Fairy tale"? didn`t you start a forum debate? sure, it wasnt a big war", but if a large percentage of the world was made up of you, the world wouldnt exactly be peaceful.
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    iamrobot13 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:55 am
    California, suprise suprise ;-)
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    jetmark Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:56 am
    looks about right.
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    StphnHrrll Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:56 am
    Belief in God does not start wars, it`s organized religion. Get rid of churches and you`ll alleviate the problem. I`ll say it again mob mentality :-)
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:56 am
    weird how theres a small patch in alaska..
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    iamrobot13 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:57 am
    Is this thing even nessecary?
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    sirpsycosexy Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:02 am
    no one can know for sure until we`re dead, so i think everyone who has thaught about it and made their choice based on what they find logical should all just try to get along. however, i think it is not only in good taste but we are actualy obliged to mock and disprove exremists who only believe what they have been told to because, to be frank, they are frikin stupid.
  86. Profile photo of iamrobot13
    iamrobot13 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:04 am
    Is it just me or is IAB trying to provoke discussion of god? )-|
  87. Profile photo of sertrbl
    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:12 am
    "It is patently insane to believe in anything other than what you can observe."
    we couldn`t always observe, for example, radiation due to decay of unstable elements, but it exists. we saw effects, and studied it further. just because you`re not staring something in the face, doesnt mean it doesn`t exist.

    i believe it is ok to share your beliefs, and even to encourage others to do the same. but there is a major difference between "I want to show you this" and "YOURE GUNNA DIE, FAG! READ THE BIBLE!"
    theres no need to be extreme, yes, but that doesn`t mean everybody needs to sit on their hands and keep away from each other.

  88. Profile photo of Necrotism
    Necrotism Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:12 am
    conqdequeso:
    Ha, i got what you meant. But this is a perfect example, we have (I`m speculating) very different views on the world and beliefs in the religious sense. But that doesn`t mean we have to be to feuding factions. We`re not even agreeing to disagree, we`re agreeing that your belief is your belief and cannot be the belief of everybody else.
    (at least thats what I`m assuming we`re agreeing on haha)
    I think we just patched up years of tension between catholics and atheists on the IAB forums. haha =D

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    BigBonny Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:14 am
    I dont know the US that well, what`s that really religious looking state east of Nevada?
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    Necrotism Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:19 am
    BigBonny: Utah, it`s a primarily Mormon state if I`m not mistaken.
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:22 am
    i dont belive god exists....so sue me, i do however believe we have souls and when we die we go somewhere else.
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    berthaballs Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:24 am
    u all need Jesus
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    BabiiGirl93 Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:24 am
    I am agnostic....i am happy to say that i jus plain dont know......I cant be athiest because i believ thier is too much good in the world...i cant be christian..etc...because its all used as sum old wives tale to scare people into being"guud" people....i believe in karma and acceptance and all around luv (yes im a hippie lolz)christianity is all about rule fllowing do this or die do this or go to hell...I cant belive that there is a higher pwer that actually wud want people spewing this hate and ignorance....if thier is a god....why is thier war, cancer,guns,abuse,KKK,Terrorist,...i knoiw sum bible buddy will sure find an answer to that real fast.."oh..god dus it cuz he luvz u and wants u to learn..blah...blah...blah" go ahead if u wanna believ thier is a guud excuse for all things bad...thats ur beef...if u wanna believe thier is nuthing... no guud no bad...science, rules all...go ahead....there is nothing wrong in wut u believ if it works for u...
  94. Profile photo of Necrotism
    Necrotism Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:26 am
    berthaballs:
    I really hope that was a joke... :-?
  95. Profile photo of Necrotism
    Necrotism Male 18-29
    139 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 11:28 am
    "I cant be athiest because i believ thier is too much good in the world"
    Ummm, what? What does that mean exactly? To be an atheists means to believe that no good exists? I`m really confused, please elaborate.
  96. Profile photo of Kaoriel
    Kaoriel Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:28 am
    Nice to know that my county is one of the most godless in Vermont, evidently. XD
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    berthaballs Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:38 am
    Jesus saves Stupid comments
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    tiGs Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:47 am
    im an athiest and i wish i could find comfort in religion but it seems to false and illogical for me to be able to have faith in so i tend to not be able to stick with religion alas
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    tiGs Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:48 am
    i thought i oughta add id love the comfort of heaven but the thought of it is as unbearable as the thought of nothing i have no way of being able to spend an ETERNATY doing any thing!! honestly we are not talking about a long time here ETERNATY would be boring and torturus thus i cannot find comfort in religion
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    JeffHatesYou Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:50 am
    I hate god.
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    berthaballs Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:52 am
    u hate jeff
  102. Profile photo of DBtG
    DBtG Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:54 am
    I believe in God. Not a Christian God, or a Muslim God, or a Jewish God, or even a Roman God, simply an existent power greater than man.

    And I believe that people who use the Bible as any sort of evidence are stupid. It`s a f*cking book full of allegories, not a scientific or even historic textbook! (But don`t misquote me, reading the Bible doesn`t make you stupid--It`s believing in God for no other reason than "The book says he exists, so he must".)

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    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:57 am
    Interesting, DBtG. Wrong, but interesting.

    If you`d do a little textual scholarship, you`d see how wrong you are.

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    sirpsycosexy Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 12:03 pm
    bigoldjeffry, what a good way of sounding profound and intelligent without actualy telling anyone anything. i think DBtG has actualy got it dead on
  105. Profile photo of berthaballs
    berthaballs Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 12:10 pm
    my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge....... hosea 4:6
  106. Profile photo of DBtG
    DBtG Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 12:17 pm
    What textual scholarship?

    The Bible is a historical document, not a source of historical information.

    I`m all for an intelligent debate, but at least bring something to it.

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    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 12:27 pm
    Whats interesting is that if you look at this map then compare it to education there is a direct correlation. States with higher education tend to not believe in God, where as states that tend to believe in God have less of an education... often much less.

    I am actually not surpised, because people tend to put their faith outside of themselves when they are not someone anyone should put faith in.

    And before anyone goes bitching... I used the United States Education Departments reports for 2006-2007 and 2000-2001.

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    flippant Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 12:39 pm
    Upon seeing the title of this posting, I thought there might be a contraversy which was confirmed by the number of comments relative to the other postings.

    I must say, I`m pleasantly surprised, though: I thought the comment sparking the debate would be political in nature, not theological. I`m glad to see that not every issue has been reduced to blue and red.

  109. Profile photo of Pooptart19
    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 12:47 pm
    I have no problem with the belief that god exists. What makes me mad is people who claim that their religion is the only correct one, god wants you to do this and do that, yadda yadda yadda, heaven and hell and all that other bullsh*t.
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If the Earth was really created in 6 days and it`s 6,000 years old, the evidence would support that. But the evidence doesn`t, the evidence supports that the Earth is around 4.5 billion years old. And evolution is real by the way. It`s not bullsh*t. People who say that evolution isn`t real don`t understand evolution.

    I don`t believe in god. No one knows if god exists or not. Do I think god exists? No. Could god exist? Sure, along with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I also don`t believe in spirits, ghosts, demons, angels, magic, and other mythical nonsense. It`s the 21st century, and it`s okay not to be religious. Being skeptical is a GOOD THING. Yay Atheism! WOOT : )

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    lovestricken Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 12:55 pm
    I`m surprised there aren`t more dark areas in the south...
  111. Profile photo of 0AmY0
    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:03 pm
    You people make me embarrassed to be a human being. When will everyone grow up?
  112. Profile photo of MarthFador
    MarthFador Female 18-29
    1004 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 1:05 pm
    I, myself, call myself a buddhist. I say `call myself` because there`s a few things I believe that are different than full-blown buddhist, though there`s several types...
    I don`t believe in any sort of suprime being, whether it be christian or islamic, and I do think that Jesus was real, just no `son of god`. Probably a really nice guy, though. I do believe in karma and the whole want = suffering thing, too...
    As for afterlife...I kind of think our `souls` or `spirits`, whatever you might want to call them, are recycled into new bodies. i don`t think everyone`s personalities can be /completely different/ throughout history. Really...
    People need to mellow out a little. Belief is belief. If you`re so confident in your own belief, you shouldn`t have to get so uppity when defending it. It`s okay to explain your belief, don`t force it on others!
  113. Profile photo of Necrotism
    Necrotism Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:13 pm
    MarthFador:

    From what I understand of Buddhism, is that it isn`t a religion but a philosophy. please correct me if I`m wrong.

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    MarthFador Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:14 pm
    Ah, i don`t think it could be called religion, no. But I`m just calling it my belief either way =P
  115. Profile photo of Necrotism
    Necrotism Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:16 pm
    MarthFador:

    Thats cool, I was just wondering if I was correct in my understanding of where Buddhism stands in the realm of belief systems.

  116. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:22 pm
    DBtG,

    Again, you`ve displayed your ignorance of history.

    You must be unaware that the Bible is made of several genres, some histories to be read as such, some allegories, some poems, and an apocolypse (a genre).

    If you want to debate the Bible, I`d suggest taking a look at Calvin, Luther, Sproul, Piper, and a host of others before you open your mouth & insert your foot.

  117. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:28 pm
    "Whats interesting is that if you look at this map then compare it to education there is a direct correlation."

    There`s also a direct correlation with annual rainfall.

    Well, it`s not that strong, but if I wanted to believe it I could make a strong case for it.

  118. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:32 pm
    And there are lots of definitions of religion. Last I checked, Atheism falls under arguably 2 of them, Bhuddism 3, Christianity/Islam about 5 or 6.

    From Dictionary.com
    Definition 2: A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

  119. Profile photo of BabiiGirl93
    BabiiGirl93 Female 13-17
    441 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 1:33 pm
    Necrotism.....wut i wrote didnt really come across as wut i meant...sorry i read it again and it soundz dumb..lolz...wut i meant wuz i really hate to think tha5t wen ur dead ur dead..nothing...(maybe im wrong on this)..but atheism is more of i scientific way of thinking in my opinion that dusnt leave alot of room for love...etc...
  120. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:49 pm
    And sorry for the triple post, but correlation != Causation.

    You can link the increase in global temperature to the drop in number of pirates if you want. The correlation is there. It doesn`t mean it`s true.

    You know all these philosophical tools you learn about to defend atheism and talk about how clever it is, why do so many of you fail to apply any of these philosophical arguments to any other aspects of your lives?

    Why blurt out philosophical catchphrases like:
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
    "Flying Spaghetti Monster".
    "Invisible Pink Unicorn".
    "Proof denies faith".

    Etc, all pulled directly from text when you can`t apply the MEANING of any of those to your own thoughts and ideas?

    If you don`t know the reasoning behind the catchphrases you`re using all you`re doing is following other people because you have blind-faith in their logic, not your own. So why the self righteousness?

  121. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 1:50 pm
    On Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:34:55 AM Lou Two wrote:

    So you think yourself better than a believer since you don`t require that support?

    I never said that...and I don`t think non-believers are better than believers in any way. I was just saying that God is what you want him to be and that can be a good thing. You don`t have to be a religion to believe in "god" and it can be a good thing for people..to have some hope and stuff like that.

    I always find it funny how when religion is brought up, everyone goes flying off their handle bars! Everyone can state their own opinions, but that doesn`t mean you should attack that other person for thinking differently.

    Thank you for all the people who leave nice comments and remain peaceful. After all...isn`t that what religions for?

    Thistle

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    thetoastking Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:07 pm
    thats pretty cool that the middle has the most people who believe in god over in the uk i reckon the north are more christian than the south
  123. Profile photo of letsgopoping
    letsgopoping Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:09 pm
    doesn`t mean every body follows God in that thing... some people just believe not follow...
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    Gmoney3847 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:12 pm
    Me `n Jesus are BFFs!
  125. Profile photo of ieatbunnies
    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:12 pm
    You can link the increase in global temperature to the drop in number of pirates if you want. The correlation is there.

    Yea, but the correlation between education and religion actually contains merit and, although are not directly dependant, show a strong relation. Mainly because most of education is based on science and math which do not make leaps of faith of blatantly ignore facts to support their claims, which religious fundamanetalists often do. (I use fundamentalists becaue not all theists follow blindly.)

    And as for your labeling of me and others who argue agaisnt religion as atheists. I adementally believe in the presence of God but despise religion. Religion is not created by God, but created by man, which is why most of religion is crap.

    The belief in God does not ignore science and/or fact... but religion does.

  126. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:15 pm
    "I always find it funny how when religion is brought up, everyone goes flying off their handle bars! Everyone can state their own opinions, but that doesn`t mean you should attack that other person for thinking differently."

    It`s not a matter of thinking differently. If someone said they think red is the best color in the universe, then that`s fine. I can observe red by its wavelength, and for whatever reason it causes them enjoyment to wear it, see it, etc.

    Now, delusions, crazy ideas, and nonsense...I can`t respect that. If a child believed something insane, then I`d have to help the child realize that it`s wrong, so the child will not grow up to believe in a delusion.

    The same goes for adults. Essentially, religion is the adult`s imaginary friend, and I find it very dangerous.

  127. Profile photo of ImNoGod
    ImNoGod Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:24 pm
    xp: you give atheists like me a bad name. your analogy is way off. there is evidence of the sun being something besides blue cheese. there is NO EVIDENCE either way indicating existence of either God or no God. NO EVIDENCE. NONE.

    If you say the _lack of evidence_ is evidence, you are wrong. And dumb. If you say your holy book is evidence, I ask you what about person B`s holy book which contradicts yours and which also declares to have the unassailable, absolute truth.

    The only logical thing to do is to ask ourselves, individually what makes the most sense, and to act upon that. Whether our answer leads us to believe in the supernatural or not, by relying upon our reason, and our reason alone, we will come to good conclusions.
    Though i believe in god, i agree with you all the way.

  128. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:24 pm
    well... who knows if this is accurate. i believe in a god, but that doesn`t mean i believe there should be a religious debate, as long as no1 is going to cause mass genocide, i think our beliefs are safe
    : /
    also, utah has such high percent because i believe of the mormons.
  129. Profile photo of xDDitsmee
    xDDitsmee Female 18-29
    266 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 2:26 pm
    When I started reading comments for this chart . . . I worried. I could tell it would expand into some huge thing. Anyway, I`m glad that this is probably the best debate that we`ve had. And I love how everyone has very good reasons supporting their theories/beliefs. (I`m aware that I sound like a fourth grader writing a book report ;-/ )

    Anyway . . . I, myself believe in intelligent design, as I don`t think something this huge could happen solely by evolution and all.

    But that`s just me.
    We all have a choice to do and think what we want to believe.
    And I know, that I probably am not right in my beliefs, but that`s okay. Because we have free speech. And as long as we`re keeping it on an intellectual level, and not too absurd, then I think it`s great.

  130. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:27 pm
    "Whats interesting is that if you look at this map then compare it to education there is a direct correlation. States with higher education tend to not believe in God, where as states that tend to believe in God have less of an education... often much less.

    I am actually not surpised, because people tend to put their faith outside of themselves when they are not someone anyone should put faith in.

    And before anyone goes bitching... I used the United States Education Departments reports for 2006-2007 and 2000-2001."

    I believe you`re insulting us believers, but if you want to know, Einstein DID believe a God existed, not a specific one, but he did believe there is a God. So you`re saying we can`t believe what Einstein says now?

  131. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:31 pm
    Balthazaaq and ieatbunnies, and anyone else who thinks the ocean contributes to not practicing religion (and yes, I know that most were just joking), I thought I might take the forum away from the religious debate for a minute to note what I actually came across in some study of Human Geography:

    Human beings congregate towards water, whether that be oceans, rivers, etc. A body of water is a catalyst for civilization, as water can be used to transport goods, water fields (in the case of rivers/lakes), and so on and so forth.

    It has also been shown that the more civilized a group of people is, the less faith overall they have. Yes, it has something to do with education, it also is related to technological advances (if we can figure this out on our own, why do we need >insert deity`s name< to help us?) and overall better self-sufficiency.

  132. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
    532 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 2:32 pm
    So, if water catalyzes civilization, and civilization shows a decline of faith, as it were, then yes, in a way, water does help to bring about faith`s demise...

    Interesting, no? I thought so.

    Oh, and for those who can take a joke, check out mrdeity.com... Very great skits based on the Christian belief system...

  133. Profile photo of dch48
    dch48 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:32 pm
    The whole thing is meaningless. It says the numbers come from memberships in Churches or other organizations. Many believers, including myself, belong to none of these. The true numbers are that about 90% of Americans do believe in a God in some way.
  134. Profile photo of clockwork208
    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:33 pm
    God doesn`t ever bother me. His fanclub is a pain though.
  135. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
    532 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 2:37 pm
    Oh, and yes, Utah is populated by the Mormons, although they like to be called the "LDS", which stands for "Latter-Day Saints"... Pompous little buggers, aren`t they? I would know, I had to live in Mesa, AZ, which is just its own little Utah.

    I mean, my neighborhood had three Mormon churches within one square quarter-mile!

    *sigh* if anybody is going to take over the world, its them... They`ve got a hive-mind, I know it!

  136. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:38 pm
    i don`t see why we`re debating so much on IAB...
  137. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
    532 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 2:39 pm
    dch48, its not a chart of who believes. Its a chart of who PRACTICES their religion... which means going to church, etc... Just because 90% of Americans believe in a god doesn`t mean that they go to church weekly or anything...

    Yeah, that title was misleading...

  138. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:39 pm
    lol mormons. no wonder utah is so religious. but nyway, organized religion isn`t what kills people, it is the people in it. if the people who start the wars weren`t part of the religion, chances are, they`ll find another reason for mass genocide.
  139. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
    532 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 2:41 pm
    caboose117, its rather hypocritical to say:

    i don`t see why we`re debating so much on IAB...

    when you yourself gave input into the debate not 5 comments ago, don`t you think?

  140. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
    1204 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 2:42 pm
    "is no proof of God and there never can be. Proof denies faith, if God gave a method to prove his existence he would deny free will. Trying to proove God`s existence is rediculous"

    the word faith can have more than one definition.

    i dunno if i should really take this debate seriously : / i didn`t know people were so biased and loved all em stereotypes

  141. Profile photo of 0AmY0
    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:42 pm
    XP - believe in what you want, and others as well. All this ranting - all of you shove it up u`re ass
  142. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:43 pm
    sunny, i said that because i believe what we are doing we take too seriously. i mean, we`re only here on IAB for enjoyment, are we not? time to watch another random link...
  143. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:43 pm
    lol people define themselves by stereotypes, caboose... It is literally impossible to find one human being who does not have some preconceived notion about one group or another... its human nature...

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    dch48 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:44 pm
    Another fact, while the Bible has been proven in thousands of instances to be accurate and true, not one word of it has ever been conclusively proven to be wrong. There was a process of creation, no, it did not take a literal 7 days, but that`s the way it was told to Moses so his feeble human mind could grasp the concept. Time is a human invention , it means nothing to an eternal being like God. A billion of our invented years to him is like the blink of an eye. Religion is not dangerous, people who use it and twist it for personal gain are. Unfortunately there have been, and still are, far too many of those, but you don`t reject God because of the actions of evil people.
  145. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:45 pm
    0AmY0, I ahve to admit, your argument is strangely compelling... I mean, I`ve never heard more enlightened words in my life... Now turn to the mirror and (if it doesn`t break first), say it to yourself....

    And then learn how to spell.

  146. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:46 pm
    lol, i don`t think spelling matters to IAB. but stupid mozilla has a spell check that gives me red squiggleys everywhere
  147. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:49 pm
    dch, are you kidding? I think you`re kidding. I`m going to take everything you just posted as a joke., because that`s all it can be meant to mean...

    Not a single word conclusively proven wrong, hmmm?? Well, that`s fine, I`ll give you that, because its nearly impossible to prove myths wrong. For that matter, I`d like to see how you could prove to me that my belief in the fact that Zeus is among the stars, watching us, waiting to unleash his next lightning bolt down on us is wrong...

    And where is the proof for the Bible?? Yes, historians regard it as a treasure trove becuase it does document several older kings and such in the Old Testament, but as far as the New Testament, show me how you prove that water turned to wine, or that the fish and the two loaves fed 5000, or that Lazarus was raised... I really want to see that.

  148. Profile photo of AKappy
    AKappy Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:49 pm
    "I think the world coming together strictly by coincidence is a lot harder to believe than God."

    StphnHrrll, I appreciate yor thoughts, and merely offering my own opinion as if anybody cares- I don`t think that it is hard to believe our world came together by "coincidence," considering that there are billions of galaxies and planets. It seems as though it is just an act of probability that at least one such planet would put together the ingredients necessary to develop and sustain life.

  149. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:49 pm
    Proof that God doesn`t exist:

    Every single religion ever believed in by humans did not exists at one point. Evey single religion had a point in time where no one on earth had even heard of it... then some human came along and invented it.

    For Christians there was Jesus, for Jews there was Abraham, for Mormons you have Joseph Smith, Islam as Mohammed, 7th Day Adventists have E.G. White, for Jehovah`s Witnesses there is Charles Taze Black Muslims have Wallace D. FardRussell even the idiots at the Church of Satan have Anton LaVey`s weird ass.

    I could go on and on but there are hundreds and I`m not gonna list them all here. The point is, if you believed in any religion, you are shaping your entire life around a magical invisable wizard just because a few thousand years ago some random looney said you should... D U M B, Dumb.

  150. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:51 pm
    everybody thinks they`re right, when will we come to an agreement? i think buddy should list funnier stuff.
  151. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:51 pm
    Yes, I know, and I`m one to talk with my dyslexic typing, caboose, aren`t I? :-P

    But I detest internet-speak. It gives me a headache to read it, and even the smallest "ur gonna die!" makes me cringe...

    I can`t help it. I speak four languages, and nowhere have I ever seen one more mutilated than English is on the Internet...

  152. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:53 pm
    And I don`t think the "Can`t we all just get along?" speech is going to work here Caboose. The subject is too emotionally charged, and people are too sure of their own opinions (yes, including me)... So maybe we should all just leave the comments page and do something with our lives???
  153. Profile photo of dch48
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:54 pm
    I didn`t say everything, and no it was certainly not a joke. I was referring to historical and geographical reference that have proven to be entirely accurate. Succession of Kings, locations of cities and other things that when discovered, were exactly where the Bible said. Things like that. I was not referring to things like miracles that in essence are supernatural events that cannot be proven or disproven, by natural means.
  154. Profile photo of 0AmY0
    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:54 pm
    sunnysongbrd
    how do you know what I look like? It also pooves your intellegence by pointing out my spelling mistake.
  155. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:54 pm
    0AmY0,

    I don`t. I was merely insulting you. And you spelled intelligence wrong, but at least you didn`t use Internet-speak this time...

    Love,

    Sunny

  156. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:55 pm
    P.S. And you spelt "proves" wrong, but I thought maybe I should only tell you about one mistake at a time, in case your brain overloaded.
  157. Profile photo of 0AmY0
    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:56 pm
    Sunnysongbrd -

    I must say one more thing and leave -

    " So maybe we should all just leave the comments page and do something with our lives???"

    It took you how long to realize this?

    My point proven once again. Goodbye.

  158. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 2:57 pm
    LOL Hoisted by my own petard?? I think not!

    I said maybe for a reason... I myself have nothing better to do than this... And I freely admit it, 0AmY0.

    And now I hope I`ve killed the religious debate here...

    Have I?

  159. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:00 pm
    Ok dch...

    I told you that I understand that certain things from the Bible (especially from the Old Testament) can be proven...

    What I was asking for was your "thousands" of instances where things could be proven, applied to the NEW Testament, because that`s the one I have a problem with...

    And you couldn`t tell me one.

  160. Profile photo of Snoogans
    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:04 pm
    They don`t call it the "Bible Belt" for nothing.
  161. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:05 pm
    meh, i`ve seen bad internet speak for portueguese, korean, and watnot, i`m very used to the internet-speak, as long as p03p13 d0/\/t u53 13375p34k 1/\/\ f1/\/3

    and i believe this chart probably isn`t the most accurate, but i think you guys can do what you want

  162. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:07 pm
    Well SPrinkZ...I agree with you to a certain extent. I already talked about the "imaginary friend" bit...but I wouldn`t necesarrily say religion (most anyway) is too dangerous. It is the weak people who make it dangerous and ruin it for everyone else, giving the whole group a bad name.
  163. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:09 pm
    Sco, I see you`re on to something. It isn`t the religion that`s bad, it`s a certain group of people in it that give it a bad name.

    unless the religion is about a god bent on the genocide of all humanity that is not part of that religion. then i think it`s pretty bad

  164. Profile photo of xp
    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:11 pm
    There are so many strawman arguments in this thread I could open a scarecrow store and make a fortune. Remember folks; when refuting an argument please make sure you are refuting an argument that someone actually made. Please?
  165. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:12 pm
    And sunnysongbird...you made me laugh...I love the phrase "I don`t. I was merely insulting you". That was so good! :)
  166. Profile photo of 0AmY0
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:12 pm
    You know, I really want to leave this alone but something inside of me won`t let me right now. sunnysongbrd, I don`t know you personally, but by reading everything you have posted on here you sound like a very heartless ignorant person. A mature person wouldn`t call someone ugly. I thought that immaturity was dropped in public school. Pointing out my typo`s? Com`on, give me a break! You can`t answer why you are being so ridiculous so you attack me where it`s easy? Why don`t you start making fun of the less fortunate? Do you see my point?
  167. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:14 pm
    caboose117,
    I`m glad someone understands what I`m saying!

    Cheers!
    Thistle

  168. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:17 pm
    OAmYO

    You are also right...leave the teasing for school. We should be more reasonable than that...
    But you also shouldn`t call sunnysongbird a "heartless, ignorant person." Don`t bring yourself down to someone elses level.

  169. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:18 pm
    Thank you Thistle :-) I was rather proud of that myself.

    And 0AmY0, I thought I WAS making fun of the less fortunate. I don`t know you personally either, but you sure are fun to insult. You know why I insult you? Because you decided to insult somebody who was much more intelligent than you in the first place.

    Oh, and haven`t you ever heard that song "Life is Like High School"? Because its true. Nobody ever really grows out of insulting other people (as evidenced by IAB posters) or gossiping, or anything like that.

    I am not heartless. I love many things, and many things love me. I just don`t love you. Ignorant? No, I`m very well-educated and very smart. 1420 on SATs, and 33 on ACTs, if you want to know.

    Immaturity will never be outgrown by the majority of people...

    I was just stooping to your level for a minute to say something you might have understood.

    Love,

    Sunny

  170. Profile photo of dch48
    dch48 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:18 pm
    I find it funny that you have more of a problem with the New Testament than the old. The New Testament is meant to be taken almost entirely literally where the Old Testament, primarily the first parts of it, are not. Jesus performed miracles, which as I said, were supernatural in nature, and can not be proven or disproven. However, there are prophetic elements in the New , and Old Testament, that did happen as predicted. The ones that haven`t , well it isn`t time yet. The crucifixion was predicted in Psalms, and the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was predicted by Jesus himself, and did come to pass. However, it all comes down in the end to Faith, you either have it or you don`t. At one point in my life, before the age of 25, I was on the other side of this debate, a strong agnostic. But this whole thread and the posting that started it should be deleted because it is not about how many Americans believe, but rather how many belong to a Church or religious organization.
  171. Profile photo of 0AmY0
    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:20 pm
    I don`t know if she is or not, I really don`t. I was just saying it was "sounding" that way. I feel awful insulting someone and I shouldn`t have written that. It`s hard to take pointless hurtful comments and not get upset. I can`t believe all this - it`s horrible and sad.
  172. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:21 pm
    Wow...those are good SAT and ACT scores!
  173. Profile photo of dch48
    dch48 Male 50-59
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:23 pm
    Mine were higher, not that that proves anything---
  174. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:24 pm
    Once more dch, you tried to prove that the Bible can be proven, and then you turn around and say "But it all comes down to faith anyhow." That`s a cop-out I`ve heard by almost every Christian I`ve ever got into this discussion with. If you`re going to try to prove it, prove it! Don`t all of the sudden come out with the trump card (meaning faith) when you`re into hot water and can`t come up with anything solid.

    You have not helped my opinion of fanatics at all, whether or not you are one.

  175. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:24 pm
    You shouldn`t get too upset about what other people say OAmYO. Like they say, "those who matter don`t mind, and those who mind don`t matter". Don`t let it get to you and try not to insult people if you are just going to wish you could take them back. "Keep your words soft and sweet just incase you have to eat them". :)

    Cheers!

  176. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:26 pm
    How much higher dch? Oh, and it was the old format of the SAT, in case that makes a difference. And how can somebody as smart as you are not be able to give me solid examples?? Come on dch! I`m rooting for you to prove it!
  177. Profile photo of saskcowgirl
    saskcowgirl Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:27 pm
    You guys are stupid if you can`t see the evidence that there is a God. I`m just a teenager and I`m a perfectly normal teenager except one thing. I`m actually happy. No I don`t have a boyfriend and I`m not on drugs or anything like that, I just have Jesus. I`m not one of those creepy people who think about nothing but religion and make sure that they do everything right. That`s not really Christianity. I don`t care what religion you guys follow but just because your not a Christian doesn`t mean that you have to say nasty things about Christians!

    Oh and about the weather. It`s cold here :P :(

  178. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:31 pm
    Saskcowgirl, people like you are the reason that we are having this discussion in the first place. You offer an immutable conclusion, "You guys are stupid if you can`t see the evidence that there is a God." and then offer me no evidence at all!!! What am I supposed to think?!

    And I`m happy too, and I actually have a boyfriend, and I didn`t need God at all to get here! In fact, when I was Christian, it only made me depressed and morose!

    So, if the fact that you`re happy proves God`s existence, why is it I can be happy without God?

  179. Profile photo of BigWaFuu
    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:34 pm
    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!!
  180. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
    532 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 3:35 pm
    BigWaFuu, you just won the entire thing.

    Thank you, Big. Thank you very much!

    Now I`m going to go give God another three or four reasons to send me to hell...

  181. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:37 pm
    Hehehee!
  182. Profile photo of berthaballs
    berthaballs Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:39 pm
    for those who are looking for god.....look for satan first
  183. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
    59 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 3:41 pm
    Shhhhh Berthaballs!

    Don`t start something else!

  184. Profile photo of 0AmY0
    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:45 pm
    I found Satan...look a couple posts up
  185. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:47 pm
    *throws hands up is disgust*
  186. Profile photo of ieatbunnies
    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 3:56 pm
    sunnysongbrd...
    I thoroughly enjoyed your idea of geography being a basis for athiesm (not exactly, but i needed a one sentence wrap up ). i think there is some very good points made. But when you mentioned transportation it got me thinking about multiculturalism. Although, I am not saying that different cultures dont believe in God, but the blending of multi cultural ideals and viewpoints tends to create an atmosphere for openmindedness (typically).
    With the areas around the coasts having larger cultural populations, individuals have a more open understanding to the world around them and are not enclosed in their `bubble` being reinforced by similiar teachings.

    But then places around the Gulf coast seems to be more religiously based, despite, historically, containing a plethera of other cultures.

  187. Profile photo of kenny_f
    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:16 pm
    its completly pointless to argue
  188. Profile photo of jd_rOcCa
    jd_rOcCa Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:35 pm
    I`d actually like to know how they conducted this survey. I mean, if it`s an optional survey, and you ask "Do you believe in God?", the people more likely to answer are those that DON`T believe in God. People who feel negatively tend to feel more strongly about their answer.
  189. Profile photo of jd_rOcCa
    jd_rOcCa Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:38 pm
    Negative Response Bias, is what I`m basically suggesting.
  190. Profile photo of ImNoGod
    ImNoGod Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:39 pm
    This is my proof.

    In the universe we have laws. Let`s say I toss my pen into the air. Naturally it will come to a turning point from rising, to falling. The descent, is caused by gravity. The universe is held together by laws such as these. With out laws, the universe could not exist.

    Well laws my friends, Imply there is a law giver.

  191. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:40 pm
    All statistical data is subject to error...that`s why it is not 100% accurate. If they said it was accurate...then we would have a problem with the data, but I think it`s just for a rough idea. Nothing official and that`s why it`s on this site to begin with. :)
  192. Profile photo of pianowire
    pianowire Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:43 pm
    sho` is, kenny_f.

    oh man, there`s a lot of anger.
    i`m about as antireligious as they come. but i`m not against god. you can`t prove one way or the other.

    but, for religious people, God if he created man gave him a brain. i think it would be highly disrespectful to not make full use of it and swallow anything whole before analyzing it yourself.
    and for christians (not all, just the ones throwing angry comments), there are really col bibles that have anything that Jesus said highlighted in red.
    read all the red text and ignore everything else.

    and to the atheists (which for lack of a better term i usually refer to myself as) what good does it do to slam people of faith.
    nothing proves/disproves god.
    by all means, fight against silly dogma that can be harmful to people or their liberties, but there`s no reason to be an non-nice individual.
    it`s not helping your fight, and ironically, i`ve seen too many wannabe atheist martyrs.

    please don`t flame me, i love you a

  193. Profile photo of Irish2Ice
    Irish2Ice Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:45 pm
    #1. There is only one God and I believe in him.
    #2 This "study" isn`t about God, is about the adherants to religion. Come on ppl, dont believe all the headlines you read. Read and try to understand for yourself. Is it YOUR opinion or theirs?
    #3 The "study" is extremly false. I am from one of the Eastern counties that show <35% and I assure you that it is one of the most religious counties in the US.
    **all my beliefs and opinions
  194. Profile photo of pianowire
    pianowire Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:46 pm
    ooooooooooooohhhh.....i didn`t say "non-nice individual"

    *shakes fist*
    >:0

  195. Profile photo of leprecola
    leprecola Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:51 pm
    Im from Oregon which is apparently the most godless state.
  196. Profile photo of AKappy
    AKappy Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:51 pm
    Dang those upside-down pictures are sweet.
  197. Profile photo of AKappy
    AKappy Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:52 pm
    Oh... oops.
  198. Profile photo of sunnysongbrd
    sunnysongbrd Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:56 pm
    *sigh* I came back to see what happened after I left, and wow. First of all, 0AmY0, I have always been flattered by the thought that I may be powerful and intelligent enough to be Satan. So thank you for the compliment.

    And second of all, ImNoGod, you cannot prove anything by quoting the laws of the universe. Just because there are laws does not mean there is a law-giver. Of course, there is no proof that there ISN`T a law-giver, either. However, do not tell me that to *IMPLY* something is to prove it. Any person schooled in science will tell you that implications are by no means conclusive, substantive proof.

    For instance, earlier I implied that 0AmY0 was ugly, by suggsting that if she looked in a mirror, it would break. I have absolutely no proof, but implying it doesn`t necessarily mean it was true...

    Oh, and that reminds me, 0AmY0, I wanted to ask you: Why are you acting all hurt when you were the one who told XP to shove it up his ass in the first place?

  199. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:56 pm
    lol...Wrong place for that! :)
  200. Profile photo of envyrain
    envyrain Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 4:57 pm
    I`m an atheist. I don`t believe in God. Big deal.

    I`m happy that a lot of you do believe in God, but no matter what kind of "proof" you try and give an Atheist that there is God, an Atheist will always shoot down your attempt to do so.

    We`re Atheists for a reason. We have already thought through all the possibilities of existence and decided that there is no reason to believe in God or follow organized religion. It doesn`t mean we`re all "sinful" people with absolutely no morals. It doesn`t mean we`re uneducated about the Bible. It just means that we live life as it`s presented to us in terms of science and human nature.

    Atheists will probably never change their minds about what the believe and don`t believe. So stop trying to give us "proof that God exists".

    And to all you "Atheists" that say that you`re not sure whether there is a God or not, you`re not an atheist. It`s called being Agnostic.

  201. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:09 pm
    There`s no proof to either side of this argument and it is almost impossible to convince someone otherwise. Envyrain said it right...people won`t change their minds because you claim to have proof. Truth is man-made anyway and humans can`t be 100% sure about anything. There is always that chance for doubt and error. No two people on the whole planet see things `exactly` the same. Just believe what you want and be happy about it.
  202. Profile photo of AKappy
    AKappy Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:10 pm
    I was only trying to lighten the mood because I love you all so much.
  203. Profile photo of Snoogans
    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:11 pm
    Religion: Uniting crazy people for over 2000 years!
  204. Profile photo of ChickenMan
    ChickenMan Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:13 pm
    On 7/11/2007 4:57:01 PM envyrain wrote: It doesn`t mean we`re all "sinful" people with absolutely no morals.

    Did anyone say you were a sinner for not believing? I`m just wondering.

  205. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:19 pm
    That`s okay...we all love you too AKappy!
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    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    I tried my approach, so I`ll try yours. I didn`t say I was hurt - I said "hurtful comments".
    "Shove it up your ass" translation - get rid off, dismiss.
    You couldn`t hurt my feelings, well maybe perhaps by existing another day.
    I can play the fighting "fire with fire", you give me the impression that arging makes you masterbate.
    I`m amused. You get very upset and I feel like I`m throwing a stick to a dog. You don`t get it, you just keep bringing it back!
    What makes me sad - fighting about "God" not "you".
    There is no point arguing about something you cannot see. Human beings have the instinct to need visual proof.
    Why do I keep posting to you? Because you are a moron and I`m being highly entertained.
    Now come back and post in another hour, after you are done pleasuring yourself.
  207. Profile photo of envyrain
    envyrain Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:26 pm
    Chickenman:

    I`ve been thought of as "sinful" in the past by others who were religious just because I`m an Atheist. I wasn`t sure if that was brought up in this thread but I didn`t feel like skimming through all 9 pages... :)

  208. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:27 pm
    Who was that comment directed to OAmYO?
  209. Profile photo of 0AmY0
    0AmY0 Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:29 pm
    Sco_Thistle,
    Not you my dear, my envier. Have a lovely evening.
  210. Profile photo of iansquall
    iansquall Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:30 pm
    Lol, I-am-bored.com arguments.

    I didn`t know that my part of Michigan was so "godless" so to speak (too tired to use proper adjective or whatever o_o). It seems that everywhere I turn, someone`s like, "Accept Jesus into your heart! :-D".

  211. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:32 pm
    Thank you OAmYO...you too!
  212. Profile photo of nescient1
    nescient1 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:33 pm
    hmm..
  213. Profile photo of 12gaugelove
    12gaugelove Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:34 pm
    Texas is filled with Christians!!

    California....ehhh not so much. xD

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    ddr_coke21 Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:49 pm
    Yay I saw my county on there!
    We`re in the deep red.
  215. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 5:55 pm
    Bwahahaha... New York is more faithful than all of California. I love it.

    No wonder most people don`t like me. They know somehow that I was born there.

  216. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
    425 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 6:04 pm
    I didn`t bother reading the arguments (had enough on another topic).

    God is an omnipotent being which cannot be proven to exist or not exist. End of argument.

    I`m Catholic BTW, just so noone would jump me about it (though, considering the denisity of ignorant fools (again, I had to deal with quite a few in another topic), I think that`s unavoidable.).

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    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:05 pm
    Well said!
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    KimonoThief Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:14 pm
    One thing really bothered me in these comments.

    "Why don`t all atheists just kill themselves... (Death is inevitable, and time is infinite. To live 100 years is to live 0 years. Therefore, existence is futile. Literally. For those of you who have trouble with literacy, heres some math. If n < infinity and n / infinity = x, x = 0.)"

    That`s not true at all. n / infinity has no meaning. Infinity is NOT a number; therefore, you can`t divide a number by it. If you mean, "the limit of x as y goes to infinity of n/y equals 0, then you are correct, BUT the function never actually reaches zero. Please, next time you tell me to kill myself, take a little calculus first.

  219. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
    425 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 6:19 pm
    Looking back a page or two... Where are we? Rome during Nero`s reign?

    Just because you lack faith, doesn`t mean you cruicify those with it; and because you do have faith, doesn`t mean you hold all the answers. Not everyone believes, and not everyone pracitces faith the same way (reason why seperate religions exist; for those of differing methods).

    Thanks to an episode of Futurama, we need a church of Amaglamated faith. (Amaglamated = combination of all forms into one united form); but I think it would just turn into the UR (United Religions; the cousin of the United Nations). But I think it would serve only an exclusively small amount of members, considering the lack of faith in the world as a whole.

    Sorry, I was riding the edge of a circle there for a moment (going off on a tangent, for you non-nerds).

  220. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:25 pm
    Ouch, I think KimonoThief actually out-smarted you there. Think up a better technique or strategy when dealing with these guys.
  221. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
    425 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 6:54 pm
    I know someone wants to kill me for mentioning this...

    Since when was it evil to practice faith, or mention God; but if you insult Scientology or those that have no faith or belief in God or higher powers; you`re evil, and must be killed or sued? (I cite from the WTF about Issac Hayes AKA "Chef" leaving South Park because he made some cracks on Scientology, and left the show because he was ashamed of it. Yeah; like shooting flak at Christians and Catholics alike, as well as Bhuddists and just about every other faith, including Muslims, wasn`t shameful enough. You THEN, see the light after mocking a false religion based off a f***ing fictional book`s "religion". I hate people.)

    Sorry, this circle is a roller coaster.

  222. Profile photo of xp
    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 6:54 pm
    Oy... I could spend a lifetime talking/arguing about these issues.Actually, I probably will, but its too hot today and I don`t have AC. So I`m going to Starbucks and drinking an iced soy chai and hanging around in their AC while I read a book (and not believe in god). Good luck to you all.
  223. Profile photo of Sco_Thistle
    Sco_Thistle Female 18-29
    59 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 7:01 pm
    Hey...wait up! I`ll join you. :)
  224. Profile photo of sulu
    sulu Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:05 pm
    Sounds good but I`ll have a Java Chip
  225. Profile photo of Samural77
    Samural77 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:18 pm
    StphnHrrl

    Your link does nothing to prove anything. The statements are not at all referenced to their origin, or a way to double check them. It only fits the way YOU see the world. This is a poor example of a proof. It is the argument of a sophist. Look it up if you don`t know that word.

  226. Profile photo of SilverThread
    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:30 pm
    Oregon is going to Hell.
  227. Profile photo of anime_chic
    anime_chic Female 18-29
    107 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 7:37 pm
    So if God created the universe and everything, then who created God? God musta came from somewhere right?

  228. Profile photo of shizzamX
    shizzamX Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:46 pm
    bwahahaha, my area has a lacking of religiousness :D
  229. Profile photo of MagicMoose
    MagicMoose Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 7:52 pm
    ... why did you even post this buddy, you and everyone else knew this was going to turn into a religion war!
  230. Profile photo of DrewK
    DrewK Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:15 pm
    Sorry if this has been pointed out, but this has nothing to do with believing in God. It is about membership to a religious congregation. Plenty of people of all faiths are not members of a church.
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    IAmTheMoose Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:16 pm
    yeah, representin` Wa to the Shington, punks.


    no gods for me, no sir!

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    IAmTheMoose Male 18-29
    1343 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 8:24 pm
    while we are on the topic of religion, i once convinced a christian to become a satanist using Starwars.

    I said to them that Darth Vader was like satan, and how when luke showed that he cared for him, he became a good jedi. and they said, "hmm, never thought about it like that" and said that they would become a satanist.

    it was awesome.

  233. Profile photo of davidson
    davidson Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:33 pm
    maine is only godless in the center because its ntohing but wilderness
  234. Profile photo of berthaballs
    berthaballs Female 18-29
    31 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 8:37 pm
    Im repin jesus lovein south fl
  235. Profile photo of berthaballs
    berthaballs Female 18-29
    31 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 8:38 pm
    and if someone can be convinced to switch religions just from starwars ....then i no .............................. ...................THE END IS NEAR
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    IloveShoes Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:40 pm
    go utah! hahaha.

    and oregon...:)

    I totally couldve of guessed theyd be on opposite ends of the spectrum

  237. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 8:49 pm
    I`m flying out to Oregon on Friday :X

    We`ve got crappy, rainy weather here on the east coast, and it`s 110* in Oregon. Talk about extremes.

    As for the link, well, I see no evidence for a god at all. I don`t believe in things I don`t see any evidence for, thus I don`t believe in a god. If it helps someone else, fine. But don`t make laws based on your religion , and don`t try to convert me, or flame me, or attack me in any way, or I`m going to take the picket and fight back. That`s all there is to it.

  238. Profile photo of JeanaH
    JeanaH Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:03 pm
    xp said on page 1:
    If you believe the sun is made of blue cheese I will mock you. There is the same amount of evidence for the Christan God as there is for the sun being made of blue cheese, therefore I mock people who believe nonsense. Especially when that nonsense seems to make them want to control everybody elses lives, including my own.
    ---------------------------------
    You go dude! Took the words right out of my mouth! Man, you rock for speaking out in a creative way. Now on to my story. Once there was a girl named Ashley. She was very religious. We argued about God`s existence. finally we proposed to agree to disagree. The end. (this story has a lesson you guys should learn)
  239. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:07 pm
    Why not go with violence instead? That`ll improve your image. (not)

    Well, if noone`s going to join, or practice any religions; then at least learn and practice some friggin` spelling and grammar. No wonder there are so many people that don`t believe in God. They can`t read, let alone write properly; so they can`t understand the concept.

    I`m taking on a logical standpoint on this now. I mean; ever notice just how many non-religious people can`t spell, or follow standard grammar rules? They`re pointless to debate with, because they don`t read or know how to research.

  240. Profile photo of saintnick
    saintnick Male 13-17
    270 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:11 pm
    i just can`t pass this up, believing in god is as sane as believing in global warming
  241. Profile photo of kittenpants
    kittenpants Female 30-39
    124 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:13 pm
    Woohoo! *high fives everyone in the PNW, especially Oregon*

    Maybe that`s why it`s been over 100 degrees here, we`re such heathens & hell has come to earth...:-D

  242. Profile photo of MarthFador
    MarthFador Female 18-29
    1004 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:20 pm
    Excuse me, Prowler, but to me it seems that it`s mostly the believers that can`t type properly. Such as that babiigirl person....
    But don`t go insulting intelligence, looks, or even locations just because of belief. This is all just silly! Can`t anyone really drop it? Hell, why don`t we include the Church of Google in this, it`s a `religion`! =P
  243. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
    425 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:21 pm
    I`m amazed noone takes religion to even a multi-dimensional level. What if God is a 4th dimensional or a 7th dimensional, or the hypothetical 11th dimensional being?

    That would make more sense about God being more a principality, than just a singular omnipotent being; plus, who`s to say that God doesn`t use his saints and angels to help run maintainence on the universe?

    I mean, see everything as a hypercube (or tesseract; IE 4-dimensional block):

    or a Tetradeca-7-tope (hepteract):

    or a mythical unnamed 11-dimensional area:

    If greater beings exist; they can do alot to us, and we wouldn`t even know they exist. You can see and touch alot of things, in that "small" a space.

    Thus the complication to people who deny God`s existance; he may exist; but we can`t be sure whether he does

  244. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:25 pm
    *doesn`t.
  245. Profile photo of Chibi_Ichigo
    Chibi_Ichigo Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:29 pm
    yay north west XD
  246. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:35 pm
    And I noticed another thing... What the hell do you people in the northwest, as well as those that celebrate thier religious demise, do up there? Burn crosses, and kill anyone that isn`t of your kind?

    What are you guys? The next "Arian" race? Did Hitler ressurect himself and plague the entire west coast? I mean, what the hell? Okay, if you don`t believe in God, do you believe in Satan/Devil (AKA El Diablo)? Do you believe in demons?

    If so, then what`s the polar opposite of that? Nothing can exist without a polar opposite. It`s theoretically impossible to exist without one.

  247. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:37 pm
    Oh, and BTW, there`s no such thing as a shade of grey. If you look closely, opinions are in half-tone. It looks grey, but is actually justified darkness, or an unlcear lightness.
  248. Profile photo of MarthFador
    MarthFador Female 18-29
    1004 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:38 pm
    Prowler, usually people who don`t believe in God don`t really believe in satan. Usually. I`ve seen cases where athiests thought demons were real, but more like some sort of El Chupacabra story. I myself believe in neither...
    Just because someone is saying `yay for my county` or whatever doesn`t mean they burn crosses! Goodness, why is it that whenever someone says they`re athiest, people tend to think we`re a bunch of cross-burning, voodoo-chanting heathens? Someone asked me if I BATHED once when they learned I was athiest....Good grief....
  249. Profile photo of kittenpants
    kittenpants Female 30-39
    124 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:39 pm
    Prowler: um, yes. You are completely correct. the world consists of nothing but black and white, good and evil. B-|
  250. Profile photo of lexmex
    lexmex Female 18-29
    458 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:46 pm
    xp p. 1
    ...The difference is that I do not tell people how to live their lives. I do not start wars, tell people they cannot get married, sow seeds of hate and ignorance, vote blindly for whatever evil bastard my preacher tells me to. I have to live on this planet too and I`m sick of all these believers screwing it up.


    well you saying anything like that is starting a "war" in its own right. anything someone disagrees about can start and argument or fight whether it be religion or anything else. as soon as you started saying god doesnt exist you did exactly what you said you dont do


    maybe you should think about what your saying before you make your argument

  251. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:48 pm
    Obviously, it seems I`m talking to a bunch of people that never learned anything about anything.

    If you don`t have some sort of guiding light, and you don`t follow any sort of instict. Then why the hell do you still exist? You`re not serving any purpose for anything, or anyone; and you`re definately not helping nature in any way whatsoever either. You don`t sacrifice, you gain without doing so; so that must mean you spontaneously existed one way or another.

    Unfortunately, my own logic in that area perplexes me. Because where`s the equivalent exchange? By what means do you exist? What purpose do you serve? As well, in what methods of being raised have the person been subjected through to know anything? What trials and consequences have been encountered for the existance to hold meaning?

    I mean... Eh?! :blinks repeatdly: What are you if not human then?

  252. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:50 pm
    Heh heh... xp got pwned.
  253. Profile photo of MarthFador
    MarthFador Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 9:52 pm
    Who said humans are around for any purpose? We`re on this planet, slowly killing it, and then we die. People just solely exsist, not much else. We live, we breed, we die. The end.

    I honostly think our exsistance is nothing anyhow. We could all suddenly try to get along and be good, yet nothing on the world would change. If this whole planet would change, the galaxy wouldn`t. Even if the galaxy changed, the universe wouldn`t. Get what I`m saying? We`re all just grains of sand in the sahara desert....

  254. Profile photo of Lyrenia
    Lyrenia Female 18-29
    28 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:52 pm
    Hm... Religion has huge hype these days. I really don`t care what people believe. If you want to believe something, then fine. I have no reason to step all over you and try to make you feel bad. If I even tried that it would make me feel horribly low.

    It isn`t that big of a deal, anyway. I am a Pagan and my fiancee is a Christian. We get along perfectly, despite our difference in beliefs. We like having that difference, it`s more fun that way. I disagree with what he believes in, and he disagrees with me. With that, we get to talk and debate about things, and it brings us very close. He loves me, I love him. Religion means nothing in that.

    I don`t understand why people feel like someone else`s belief system affects them. I mean, I can understand if you fight back when someone is hounding on you about what you believe, but it`s just pointless to hunt people down and try to shame over them over personal belief.

  255. Profile photo of kittenpants
    kittenpants Female 30-39
    124 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 9:58 pm
    Lyrenia: you`re right, personal beliefs shouldn`t matter that much. Except when world leaders start "talking to god" and decide to destroy those who don`t agree with them. Oh wait, that`s happening. right. now.
  256. Profile photo of saintnick
    saintnick Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:01 pm
    the hypocrisy is staggering
  257. Profile photo of jjcruiser13
    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
    706 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:01 pm
    Prowler- yes. We are here for no reason, like MarthFador pointed out. Just like the animals, we`re here, we live, we do stuff, we die. Just because we can understand what we`re doing and why, doesn`t mean that we`re here for a "reason"
    I think you just want to believe that you`re here for a reason because you need to have your life mean something.

    "Obviously, it seems I`m talking to a bunch of people that never learned anything about anything."

    Yeah, you`re just always right, are you not?
    We`re just all dumb and we don`t know anything. Learn to accept that just because people don`t agree with you, doesn`t mean that they`re wrong.
    If you really need purpose in your life, then make the world a better place. Then you have a purpose. And you don`t need some guy in the sky to tell you that. But if you really want to believe in him, go ahead. But we all don`t have to. Some of us are content with just exsisting.

  258. Profile photo of quixoto
    quixoto Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:01 pm
    Wait a minute.
    The three biggest cities (New York, L.A. and Chicago) are all located in red areas and yet the further you get from the cities the lighter color the map gets. I find it highly unlikely that rural areas are less religious than the urban ones so I`m having a hard time buying this chart`s credibility.

    Also, this is a really dumb debate.
    Person A: I believe in God.
    Person B: I don`t.
    Person A: You`re wrong and you`re going to hell!
    Person B: No, you`re wrong and you`re an idiot!

    Come on guys, isn`t there something more interesting to be arguing about here?

  259. Profile photo of quixoto
    quixoto Male 18-29
    58 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:05 pm
    No wait, L.A. is yellow.
    Still, shouldn`t Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan be redder than Illinois?

    I call shenanigans.

  260. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
    425 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:05 pm
    That`s the propbelm. They hear the word of God; then they twist the words to thier own benefit, and whaddya know; we lose more people than we save.

    I hate our leaders. They only care for themselves and thier kind.

  261. Profile photo of Lyrenia
    Lyrenia Female 18-29
    28 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:09 pm
    Kittenpants:

    You`re right, it shouldn`t be happening and it`s a damn shame it is. I personally don`t know how to stop them, so all I can do is live my own life and try to be better than them. I try not to force my own beliefs on others and shame them for what they believe. While I cannot personally do anything to stop what our leaders are doing, I have complete control over my life, so I do the best I can to set an example for myself and the others around me. :]

  262. Profile photo of ImNoGod
    ImNoGod Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:14 pm
    And second of all, ImNoGod, you cannot prove anything by quoting the laws of the universe. Just because there are laws does not mean there is a law-giver. Of course, there is no proof that there ISN`T a law-giver, either. However, do not tell me that to *IMPLY* something is to prove it. Any person schooled in science will tell you that implications are by no means conclusive, substantive proof. Anything that has ever been created, had a creator/(or creators). Any law ever given, had a law giver/(or law givers). In every case as we know it, this remains true. It is simple yet effective principle.

    On my part, perhaps "indicate" or "prove" would have been a better word to use as opposed to "imply".

  263. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:14 pm
    quixoto has the right idea. We should change topic.

    Why don`tr we come up with a solution to end this damn war, without either side conceding defeat, and without conversions on either side, and no more deaths?

    Whatever happened to diplomacy?

  264. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:15 pm
    Hell, whatever happened to neutrality?
  265. Profile photo of clockwork208
    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:21 pm
    Some religious folk are drattarded, and therefore immune to reason.
  266. Profile photo of ImNoGod
    ImNoGod Male 18-29
    1149 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:23 pm
    maine is only godless in the center because its ntohing but wilderness
    Lol mate, i live in Maine. Anyways, it`s a percentage so the population doesn`t matter.
  267. Profile photo of kittenpants
    kittenpants Female 30-39
    124 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:32 pm
    Marth: While we really are all insignificant in the grand scheme of things, we still have to live here together in the time we have. Why not try to make this life the best we can?
    P.S. religion has almost nothing to do with this...
  268. Profile photo of quixoto
    quixoto Male 18-29
    58 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:33 pm
    Thanks, Prowler.

    I`m not quite sure how to end this war... however, I do believe it`s a lot more complicated than either side would like you to believe with their victory/surrender rhetoric. I wish I had some answers to that whole problem. It`s just an awful mess of a situation with only bad and worse options thanks to our worst president ever.

    Speaking of "worst evers" did anybody catch that new papal decree that every other religion asside from Catholicism is wrong and blasphemous?
    Yeah, that`s gonna go well in the Mideast.

    Worst. Pope. Ever.

  269. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
    425 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:34 pm
    Oh well; I give up.

    Here are some actual words of wisdom you learn in religion, that doesn`t seem apparent in any non-religious "culture".

    "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

    You spring the trap of making bad words towards religion, and judging it with uneducated crap; expect to get flak heading your way.

    It`s you non-believers that stared this; not us. We`ll take no responsibility if war or lawsuits break out on these forums due to these riduculous "debates".

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    berthaballs Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:36 pm
    you all should just except jesus christ as your lord and savior.....there it`s done
  271. Profile photo of quixoto
    quixoto Male 18-29
    58 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:39 pm
    Not to nitpick but I think you mean "accept Jesus."
    If you "except Jesus" it kinda means you take him away from the situation and that`s probably the opposite from what you intended, isn`t it?

    Also, no.

  272. Profile photo of xp
    xp Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:40 pm
    Yes we burn Christians when we see them here in Oregon, and any other religious people we see. Also we fornicate in the street and do science experiments on babies for fun. Mandatory abortions for all. Don`t come here.
  273. Profile photo of saintnick
    saintnick Male 13-17
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:45 pm
    burn like brilliant trash
  274. Profile photo of quixoto
    quixoto Male 18-29
    58 posts
    July 11, 2007 at 10:47 pm
    Not to nitpick but I think you mean "accept Jesus."
    If you "except Jesus" it kinda means you take him away from the situation and that`s probably the opposite from what you intended, isn`t it?

    Also, no.

  275. Profile photo of berthaballs
    berthaballs Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 10:55 pm
    uh huh...........indeed
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    cambriaseyes Female 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:03 pm
    I can`t believe West Virginia is mostly white and yellow.
  277. Profile photo of Snoogans
    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:07 pm
    George Carlin said it best when speaking about religion and the church. He said "They have you believing that there`s this invisible man in the sky and he has this list of 10 things he wants you to do. And if you don`t do them, he`s going to send you down to the most terrible place imaginable. There you will be burned, tortured and beaten for all of eternity. But he LOVES you, and he needs you to send him MONEY! He`s all powerful, all knowing, all omnipotent, but he just can`t get that money thing down! Talk about the biggest BS of all time, HOLY SH*T!"......George Carlin is the greatest....LMAO!
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    Snoogans Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:08 pm
    ^ Ding,Ding,Ding.....100th post! =)
  279. Profile photo of oumaverick
    oumaverick Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:26 pm
    To the one(s) comparing education with belief in God....

    1) Maybe the education system is flawed? Universities and Colleges (in general) are very, very liberal and the majority of professors are athiest. The bible says that "if you think you are wise by this world`s standards, you have to become a fool to be wise by God`s standards"

    2) Religious systems are also flawed, but it`s not God`s fault (or Jesus`s). I say they are flawed because many churches are letting few in and shutting themselves off from the rest of the world instead of going out there trying to help people.

    Really, it all boils down to love. No dogmatic, systematic rules and regulations; it all comes down to love, because God=love

  280. Profile photo of Prowler2885
    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:29 pm
    Well said Maverick.
  281. Profile photo of larajunky
    larajunky Female 40-49
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:42 pm
    Jeez, I`m in California. Theres NO deep red maps there *sigh*
  282. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    July 11, 2007 at 11:47 pm
    "Hey, look at me! I have an opinion about God that doesn`t mean $hit!"

    Burn, internet, burn.

  283. Profile photo of ChickenMan
    ChickenMan Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:03 am
    On 7/11/2007 5:26:07 PM envyrain wrote: Chickenman: I`ve been thought of as "sinful" in the past by others who were religious just because I`m an Atheist.
    That`s wrong. :-/ If they`re christian, they should know that everybody are sinners... It`s hypocritical to look at others and say they are worse... That`s also judgemental. You know the wrong christians, I`m afraid.
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    ChickenMan Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:07 am
    On 7/11/2007 3:16:39 AM xp wrote: If he/she/it is not the God that makes people start wars, vote for fascists, blow up buildings, hate gay people, and ban booze on Sundays
    Holy Hypocrisy batman!

    Soviet Union. Started the Cold War. The whole dang place was chock-full of atheists. (or at least led by them, religion was banned)

    Who is a fascist? If you mean Bush, he is a long ways off from being a fascist. If you think otherwise, you are not very smart.

    I have never blown up a building. Muslims haven`t either. The ones that blow up buildings follow a corrupt version of religion. Certainly not approved by other muslims.

    I don`t hate gay people. I disagree with their lifestyle. I had two neighbors who were gay, they were some of the nicest people I`ve met.

    Booze is bad for you anyway. :-/

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    gabcab Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:13 am
    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
    - Sir Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-1971)

    There, so yeah...
    Stop Arguing people, we are all atheists!

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    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:43 am
    No, it just means we`re all disbelievers to each others beliefs.

    Which, I guess proves we live in our own version, or our own universes. If that is so, then why the hell am I arguing with a bunch of people I "created" just so I have something to talk about and whatnot?

    I wanna try something out... :Wills the world to follow different rules:

    ...Crap. I guess I don`t know how to master my own domain yet. I need a spiritual hacker to debug the matrix, so I can understand it a little more. Anyone know where I can find a Linux with extra-dimensional hacking tools?

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    PrezBrown Female 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:49 am
    Long time reader, first time poster.

    But the frivolity of this whole argument in relation to the original post is cracking me up, I am compelled to say something.

    The thing is, if you read the map, belief in God has nothing at all to do with it. The question is how many religious adherents belonging to the 149 "bodies" (churches?) that participated in the study. So, basically, belief in God has nothing to do with it, it`s just about either going to church or identifying with a specific religious group that happened to be participating in the study. Some area certainly have more people that identify themselves as being part of a religious group, but no where on the bit of evidence we were given does the question "who believes in God" come up.

    Cleaver way to stir up debate though I-A-B mods, I tip my cap to you.

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    saintnick Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:04 am
    don`t believe in anything at all
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    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:21 am
    "The only logical thing to do is to ask ourselves, individually what makes the most sense, and to act upon that. Whether our answer leads us to believe in the supernatural or not, by relying upon our reason, and our reason alone, we will come to good conclusions."

    thanks Aristotle i agree 100%

    those of you talkin poo about believers only give people who dont believe a bad name, i mean...come on...why cant we just let people believe what we want to believe. i dont believe in god, if you dont like it, thats great, i hope what you believe makes you happy like what i believe does for me

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    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:33 am
    stphnhrrll, you provided a link (http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/M... i read through it and i really dislike the way it said things. hopefully you see this, id like ur feedback. i just think that if youre going to give us a link, it should be a good one. however, that link more or less said its either a very strict version of atheism ("no beginning" for example) or god. and thats a huge problem, its not one or the other as the article says (in many words). the article then continues to discredit how it defines "atheism" and proves it wrong. which yes, i agree what they described can be scientifically disproven. it said that the galaxies are moving away from a centralize point, which would also be evidence of the big bang theory.

    but yea, i just wanted to say, if youre looking to make a point, do so with good high quality evidence.

    i do believe that we all need something to ro

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    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:41 am
    Well, at least Panther justifies his non-belief in God, and backs it up with something that makes sense.

    As with just about everyone else; it seems they`d rather bash the person they claim non-existant, than to convice people to stop judging.

    It seems only Panther managed to pass my test. Kudos. I have regained minor faith in those without a spiritual compass (no offense).

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    shizzamX Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:42 am
    believe whatever the hell you want, or lack there of. just don`t try o change people`s outlook on life. let them do what they want, and you can do what you want.
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    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:42 am
    it cut me off....

    i do believe that we all need to root our lives in something, and religion is perfect for that, but it wasnt for me.

    religion helps people, and i think its great if people believe in god and better themselves through it, it makes the world a better place.

    good evidence for god would be "the case for christ" by lee strobel. i have read the book cover to cover and it definetly makes good points.

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    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:46 am
    I shall take my leave now.
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    Prowler2885 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:49 am
    Again, kudos to the rest of your post Panther.

    You have earned my respect. I expect others should follow your example; whether they believe in God or not.

    Once more, I take my leave. Goodnight.

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    phreakphit Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:54 am
    This is based on information apparently from 7 years ago? And apparently from voluntarily given by 149 different bodies of unspecified religions. Note: This does not say Christian bodies of religion. From what I see, this is probably very skewed and if anything underreporting of numbers. As there are far more than 149 bodies of religion in the U.S, and based on old old info.
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    phreakphit Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:58 am
    It`s really just sad that the fine print was missed by so many. This doesn`t state it is CHRISTIAN numbers. It actually states it is of any religion. (funny that though, the U.S. considers Atheism a religion... so it makes all these arguments even more... amusing)
  298. Profile photo of btpanther39
    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:05 am
    thanks prowler, i just dont find a problem with live and let live

    and i dont take offence, im not a spiritual person in a religious sense, and im sure thats what you mean.

    however, in the sense that a "spiritual compass" leads a person to do good, and live a life worth living: i dont believe religion is needed, i can be a good person without a god.

    which actually continues my rant...

    i used to be christian, and the whole religion (in a nut shell) says, be good, and you will be rewarded. and as far as i know, most religions say the same. and i do too, be a good person, and you will be rewarded in the end of your life with the satisfaction that you know youve left something good in the world. i still follow the 10 commandments. not because a god tells me to, but because i want to. i agree with them (with revisions such as, "gods name in vain" now meaning "dont speak ill of others").

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    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:30 am
    haha, i do have to say this tho...


    i am soooo surprised i havnt seen one person say "shun the non-believer...shuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnah"

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    ChickenMan Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:42 am
    On 7/12/2007 2:30:34 AM btpanther39 wrote: haha, i do have to say this tho... i am soooo surprised i havnt seen one person say "shun the non-believer... shuuuuuunnnnah"

    I will play for you the Banjo. :-O

    That is the greatest video ever. :)

    And I agree with your "live and let live" approach.

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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:48 am
    "We`re on a BRIDGE, Charlie!!" :-D

    "Aaaww, they took my frikkin` kidney!!" >-(

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    saintnick Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:40 am
    btpanther39 has it right..

    humans are emphatically retarded,
    sceaming religion is a silly belief while running off to support algore & his global warming socialism movement

    choose your poison, understnd though, your still just a talking monkey

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    Lou Two Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:54 am
    With a fez? Can I have a fez?
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    virtusiab Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 10:31 am
    I mean this with the littlest offense possible, but Christianity is becoming obsolete. There are so many people in this world who are only Christians because of their family, and most of the kids I know hate going to Church.

    At school we`re learning about things that completely contradict Christianity. Evolution, plate tectonics, formation of the Universe, and we accept those things as true. Why do people learn about this and believe something that states the opposite at the same time?

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    virtusiab Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 10:35 am
    Sorry for the double post, but I want to support the my statement of Christianity being obsolete. When was the last time you have heard of people doing things in the name of Christianity? Again, with the littlest offense possible, Muslims have committed so many crimes like suicide bombings in the name of their God Allah. Most Christians I know are satisfied with going to Church every Sunday.
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    Shanir Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 10:42 am
    like who cares now ;P
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:53 am
    I have every reason not to believe in God.

    First off: There is no evidence for a god.

    Second: Big Bang theory explains the beginning of the universe. Asking me what there was before the Bang is like me asking you what there was before God.

    Third: There are so many religions, and none of them give any sort of proof.

    Fourth: For all we know, the Bible was written by two drunks who wanted money. It`s 2000 years old, we have no idea.

    Fifth: The Bible says some guy`s donkey talked. I think any sane person should be a little less likely to adhere to its dogma after reading that.

    Sixth: Evolution. Evolution has been proven conclusively, just ask any biology teacher or professor. Or, just use the internet. `Thoery` is the closest term in science for fact. Now, why do I bring up evolution? Because it flies in the face of what is written in the Bible about God creating man and all the animals and crap.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:55 am
    And if part of the Bible has been disproved, well, what reason is there for me to believe in something else?

    Seven: I don`t want to live my life knowing that I`m only a good person because I`m afraid of being set on fire by my deity. I want to live knowing that I am a good person simply because I choose to be.

    These seven reasons are why I`m an atheist.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:55 am
    Oh, and yes I misspelled theory. Whoops.
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:43 pm
    I just don`t understand how people claim there is no evidence for God. Here is just one of the (many) reasons I believe.

    How do we know that people like George Washington, Caesar, etc. lived? We read about them. We read about the things that they`ve done. We believe lots of historical figures existed because we have one or two documents that talk about them. There are SIXTY SIX different documents that were combined to make the Bible. All other figures in history who have that much evidence supporting their existence.....we just take it as fact. However, because all the 66 books were combined into one, people think one or two looneys just made it up.

    if anybody wants to discuss this with me, shoot me an email at [email protected] because i don`t check this too much.

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    doodle193 Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:18 pm
    "It doesnt matter what faith you have, as long as you have faith" a wise man once said, which basically means it doesn`t matter what faith you are as long as you have somthing to keep you going in life...
  312. Profile photo of cookii
    cookii Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:54 pm
    xp- the quran has alot of scientific info in it 1400 years before it was proven by others(the earths core is iron, how reproduction takes place). i find it ironic that alot of people try to counter religion with science. i do not know about the bible or torah but they probably have some sort of reference to science in it aswell.
    also, i agree with stphnHrrll. every religion has its wackos, you cant judge million cos of a few
  313. Profile photo of btpanther39
    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:32 pm
    "btpanther39 has it right..

    humans are emphatically retarded,
    sceaming religion is a silly belief while running off to support algore & his global warming socialism movement"

    whoa whoa whoa, thats not what i said at all!!

    i find no fault in religion. if you read my entire post, i said something along the lines of "it makes the world a better place" and "its a perfect way to make people behave".

    so come on, dont misquote me.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:10 pm
    yay we`re all argueing over something that can`t be disputed! we`ve all gone up a few IQ points :D
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    cookii Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:39 pm
    i dont think proving or disproving something will make people change their minds, people just want to believe what they want to.
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:19 pm
    i think buddy planned this all out, and he and his chum are making bets on how many pages this debate will go to. I`m on to you buddy!!! i`m on to you D:
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    AFTERSHOCK Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:52 pm
    ^THAT`LL BE MY BET
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    DBtG Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:57 pm
    320th post!

    blahblahblah Atheism blahblahblah

  319. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:43 pm
    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
    - Sir Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-1971)

    QFT!!

    this is the most retarded argument you can have on the internet

    i am an atheist, personally i cannot understand how anyone can believe in a god that would send the majority of the world to eternal hell just for believing in a slightly diff god, or trusting evidence.

    when religion doesnt affect people who dont believe all is good. sadly this isnt the case

    i dont argue my case over the internet because its impossible to have such a discussion not in realtime.
    i also dont argue with anyone that doesnt want to
    please just stop this worthless discussion: as stated above we all agree with eachother already!!

    in real life this can be a very very interesting discussion.
    on the internet its JUST dratING RETARDED

  320. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 6:22 pm
    Sorry I`m late, guys, but I`ve done my homework and read all the pages thus far. Needless to say, I`ve a bone to pick with a number of you.

    Berthaballs: "u all need Jesus"

    Nice tits, by the way.

    caboose117: "Einstein DID believe a God existed, not a specific one, but he did believe there is a God."

    No he did *not*. Einstein`s God is a substitute for the nature and rules of the Universe. When he said "God doesn`t play dice" he meant that the Universe does not surrender to chance and is perfectly caused and ordered. Here is a direct quote from Einstein in a letter he wrote:

    "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 6:29 pm
    StphnHrrll: "I think the world coming together strictly by coincidence is a lot harder to believe than God."

    I`m assuming by `world` you mean Earth, in which case you are wrong. The formation of the Earth (or any planet, really) was accomplished through a process known as accretion, where collections of rock debris in a common area (usually around a star) collide with one another and build upon each other. These rock parts collide because gravity places them in a common area and in the path of other rock parts; in essence, it`s no coincidence these rock parts are in a position to collide with one another. Is this indeed what you were referring to? If on the other hand you meant the whole Earth system as we know it today (biosphere and all), I`ll happily explain why evolution is not an accidental process and is actually rather directional and predictable.

  322. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 6:44 pm
    Prowler2885: "What purpose do you serve?"

    We are the end product of billions of years of chemistry. That`s it. We do not have any more specific reason for being here than certain elements having a natural electric attraction to other elements. And I think that if you looked at things in a grander perspective, what purpose does hydrogen serve? What purpose do stars serve? You`ll find there`s not much difference between understanding how things are caused (and what they in turn cause), and perceiving their purpose; these two notions are one and the same.

    With all that said, I personally feel we are in control of whatever meaning we desire for ourselves and that this freedom is free for the taking. I`m overjoyed at the fact I am not here for any purpose (meaning) other than one I can assign myself, as living solely under some prearranged destiny or contract would just depress me.

  323. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 6:53 pm
    derangedingo: "...god`s greatest evidence is the universe."

    I would hope someday you will recognize the difference and distinction between opinion and actual evidence. I can say that a banana is evidence of God and from that conclude God created the banana, but at heart is the *opinion* that a banana is evidence of God. Factually speaking, I could only correctly conclude that a banana is evidence of life and should stop there, because I can no more explain the origin of life and shouldn`t try to.

  324. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:01 pm
    m0uf: "All the atheists assume their role as absolutely nothing; meaninglessness, in the universe"

    In the context of the Universe, yes, I am meaningless. The Universe will continue to accelerate in its expansion with no regard for the destruction and desolation such an act will eventually bring and I`ve absolutely no say in the matter. But you see, that also means I am free to define my own meaning. Personally I do not feel I am meaningless; I tutor at my college and that position enables me to help other students achieve what they want to, in essence fulfill their own meaning. I do not define helping others as the apex of my existence but at least it`s a worthy cause, one I assigned to myself.

  325. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:18 pm
    caboose117 again: "So you`re saying we can`t believe what Einstein says now?"

    You can believe what he said or not, that is entirely your option. *I* would say you shouldn`t trust anything one person has said just because that one person said it. Einstein was a scientist and as such I would especially advise taking anything he said with reservation and doubt. We can trust his scientific work now only because it`s been peer-reviewed and accepted, whereas his opinions on God still remains in the realm of uncertainty and likely always will.

  326. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:18 pm
    Zerocyde: "Proof that God doesn`t exist"

    Anyone proclaiming to have proof that a deity exists or doesn`t exist is equally off his rocker. There simply is no evidence to support either conclusion, and any such argument isn`t actual proof but is instead just a rebuttal to a previous claim of God`s existence\non-existence.

    Even while I don`t believe there is evidence either way, I am atheist because I feel it is wisest to assume a negative than to throw myself on a perceived positive. Scientifically speaking, if not enough evidence exists to support a hypothesis, we must by default reject that hypothesis until something better comes along. I feel the God question is inherently a scientific question that we simply lack the tools or even intellect to adequately answer, but that does not mean we lack the tools to address the question scientifically, as I have just demonstrated.

  327. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:29 pm
    dch48: "Jesus performed miracles, which as I said, were supernatural in nature, and can not be proven or disproven."

    I`ll take that a bit further and say that whether or not Jesus actually performed miracles, assuming he even existed, cannot be proven or disproven. That a record from so long ago can be taken literally is unwise at best.

    That`s all I`ve seen that needed addressing, which is to say that`s all I have time for. I would like to offer special praise to envyrain as she appears to have it all figured out. Kudos to you.

  328. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:43 pm
    "That a record from so long ago can be taken literally is unwise at best"

    there are 66 books in the Bible. THE BIBLE IS NOT ONE BOOK. I don`t understand how you can doubt the existence of a God when there are that many documents of evidence. and yes, i did post almost this exact same thing earlier. But, basically, there`s not many things in History that we doubt the authenticity of when there are 50+ documents supporting them.

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    643197 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:52 pm
    wow. theres a lot of comments
  330. Profile photo of btpanther39
    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:05 pm
    "there are 66 books in the Bible. THE BIBLE IS NOT ONE BOOK. I don`t understand how you can doubt the existence of a God when there are that many documents of evidence." "But, basically, there`s not many things in History that we doubt the authenticity of when there are 50+ documents supporting them."

    ur right, there are 50+ documents supporting the belief in god. but the problem is, those 50+ documents are not proven to be true.

    im getting sick and tired of people saying "its obvious" one way or another. come on, your are NOT some religious expert, cuz if you were, you wouldnt be saying that!! if it was obvious, it would be obvious to every one.

    there is no way to say for sure one way or another. and also, jesus said in the bible that the belief in god is not something that can be proven, why?? god doesnt want it that way, he wasnt people to have FAITH!!

    its crazies that say its obvious that gives the religion argument the stigma it has. so stop

  331. Profile photo of btpanther39
    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:09 pm
    the bible was written by biased authors, aka, they were all believers in god. no objective bystanders. tell me now what historical certainty is based on documents that are under the same doubt as the thing theyre proving...
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    btpanther39 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:15 pm
    another point, how many "documents" are there about santa, or...the easter bunny...or aliens...

    hmm, books about santa...more than i can count

    aliens, hmm...its claimed we have physical proof, thousands of people claiming to be eye witnesses. but yet...saying you believe in aliens is shunned by society.

    but ur right, ur 50+ books written by biased source s (mostly the same guy), that arent meant to taken literally are 100% pure fact. but its ok, you said its obvious, so it definetly is.

    and another thing...the church says "doubts are to be expected, but faith will see you through."

  333. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:15 pm
    horn4231: "I don`t understand how you can doubt the existence of a God when there are that many documents of evidence."

    One minor note that is bugging me, first. One never writes `a God` but rather either `God` or `a god`. The whole Holy Trinity thing really mucks up the works so to be safe, just write `a deity`. Saves the grammarians a bother. On to your point.

    I do not consider the writings in the Bible to be evidence of anything other than man`s profound capacity for imagination. Nowhere in reading the Bible does one find an objective method for establishing the existence of God or any proof of God beyond that which can be deemed as opinion by consensus. Finally, I am not one to believe any concept or notion simply because a group of people were prolific in their description of this same concept or notion. To do so without substantial backing is insanity and unscientific.

    With this in mind, disbelief in a deity through the Bible becomes natural.

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    saintnick Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 9:14 pm
    btpanther39

    I agreed with your point, "i am soooo surprised i havnt seen one person say "shun the non-believer...shuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnah".."

    `the rest was my own`

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    spongamabob Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 9:34 pm
    wow. so many comments for a chart. lol.
    i`m in a pink area. sounds about right.
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    sgdp Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:00 pm
    My religion =
    Peace & Love.
    I made it up :D
    Not that anybody cares...
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    ashtaysis Female 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:14 pm
    You guys want proof and there is proof but it is something you feel in your heart. Once you do feel it you know there is God. You guys do not want to see proof, your not going to see it. I am so sorry you do not believe in God because it is the best thing ever. I will pray for you guys and hope yall the best.
    BTW...
    God did`t start wars, hate, sickness, and all evil in the world. It was the devil. You guys probably don`t believe in him either but trust me they are both there.
  338. Profile photo of Upaut
    Upaut Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:18 pm
    This is pointless, flaming one another all over a religious census map that`s 7 years old. I quite literally skipped over 12 pages of ranting, knowing I wouldn`t like what I would see.

    The simple answer to religion is this: Religious text was written by "man", no? Can you really trust your fellow "man" to lead you through the darkness?

    Yes, please flame me, for leaving a logical post. And yes, by that old map, I live in the "godless" state of Washington. And I`ll leave on a slight note: Does faith make you a better person, or does religion close your mind? Let that stew in your head for a while... :-P

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    BrettIsPyro Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:51 pm
    yea only less that 30.1 or w/e put that surprises me cause i live in such a small area and i no a lot of religious ppl and we have a lot of churches (no sinaguags or mosque just churches :(]
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    BrettIsPyro Male 13-17
    155 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 11:54 pm
    "You guys want proof and there is proof but it is something you feel in your heart."

    Srry to rain on your parade honey but that would be this stuff called blood that you feel in your heart Cause your heart pumps said blood throughout your body keeping you alive by providing oxygen to vital parts of your body to fuel the cells that work in your body.

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    BrettIsPyro Male 13-17
    155 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 12:00 am
    "there are 66 books in the Bible. THE BIBLE IS NOT ONE BOOK. I don`t understand how you can doubt the existence of a God when there are that many documents of evidence. and yes, i did post almost this exact same thing earlier. But, basically, there`s not many things in History that we doubt the authenticity of when there are 50+ documents supporting them."

    So if I wrote 67 books explain that god doesnt exist wouldn`t that mean he doesn`t exist (just the impression you`re giving me here)

    Even if there r 66 books there are books called "fiction" meaning fake just cause you read it in a boook (or books in this case) doesnt mean it`s true Take harry Potter for example you r going to have one hell of a time convincing HArry Potter is real and he can do everthing he does in those books

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 13, 2007 at 12:20 am
    wow u guys pay to much attention. i`ve skimmed this all, and this debate is becoming so heated, no1 is really reading in the lines, and a lot of people have some screwed up facts.

    in the end, i think buddy is victorious. HE is the God of I-A-Bers

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2007 at 12:23 am
    ashtaysis: "You guys want proof and there is proof but it is something you feel in your heart. Once you do feel it you know there is God."

    You are describing belief, which is fine as long as you can admit that that`s your sole justification for your religiosity, which is fine because I think you`ll find that`s precisely what atheists have been saying all along. There is no proof of God, only a belief in God that stems from the mind, the seat of all consciousness.

    "I will pray for you guys..."

    Please don`t, as scientific studies have indicated that praying for those who know they`re being prayed for will lower their state of well-being.

    On another note, I notice you are very young (13-17). Tell me, what religious persuasion do your parents hold? Did you attend church as a younger child? Was it your parents` request that you attend church?

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2007 at 12:24 am
    caboose117: "no1 is really reading in the lines, and a lot of people have some screwed up facts."

    Prove it: reply to my postings that were addressed to you.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 13, 2007 at 12:25 am
    In the end, we have accomplished nothing, except maybe brush off the boredom for a few minutes. But that was the point, eh?

    Man this thread shows the many different personalities of I-A-Bers. Xp being the flame starter, with his ignorant comments, people who take this as a joke, the god (buddy), people who argue a lot, people who are ignorant to opinions, the i`m right you`re wrong atheists, the i`m right you`re wrong christians, watnot.

    gota love the personalities

  346. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    July 13, 2007 at 12:28 am
    "
    caboose117 again: "So you`re saying we can`t believe what Einstein says now?"

    You can believe what he said or not, that is entirely your option. *I* would say you shouldn`t trust anything one person has said just because that one person said it. Einstein was a scientist and as such I would especially advise taking anything he said with reservation and doubt. We can trust his scientific work now only because it`s been peer-reviewed and accepted, whereas his opinions on God still remains in the realm of uncertainty and likely always will."

    well overmann, that right there was a misinterpretation of what i said. I was merely making a comeback to what a person said. they were talking about how all christians are dopes, and that everybody who isn`t atheist and watnot was on crack or was stupid. i was just pointing out that einstein believed there was a god.

    Thanks for wasting 5 minutes of my life. time to go somewhere else

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    saintnick Male 13-17
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    July 13, 2007 at 12:32 am
    BrettIsPyro

    wow i`m aghast, i think you and algore should go bowling

    time is they key here, just a little clue, the "winner" writes your history

    can anyone here help, brainwashing...anyone, i know i harp on this & global warming to the nth, although this definately supports the manchurian candidate part

    i have goose bumps, this is kinda barbra streisand creepy

  348. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 12:38 am
    caboose117: "i was just pointing out that einstein believed there was a god."

    Then perhaps you should refer to the post addressed to you on the previous page, page 13? You`re only half done.

  349. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
    1204 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 1:18 am
    eh? i believe that isn`t completely accurate. if you look on time magazine, wikipedia and such, their is conflicting evidence.
  350. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
    1204 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 1:18 am
    now debating is good and all, but what will any of this accomplish? my opinions have not changed, nor have yours, so why do we argue over this?
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 2:01 am
    That quote is entirely accurate, caboose117. It`s in a letter written by Albert Einstein on March 24, 1954 and is included in the book `Albert Einstein: The Human Side`. Maybe you should do some research before you accuse me of fabricating my argument?

    If you`d like more of Einstein`s thoughts on religion and other things, check this website out: http://einsteinandreligion.com/. You`ll find his views are most consistent with the description for his "religious" I provided.

    Also, here is the back story of the letter I mentioned: http://skeptically.org/thinkersonreligio...

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    PrezBrown Female 30-39
    13 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 2:11 am
    I`m kinda worshiping Overmann right now, is that good or bad?

    Still BIG Kudos to Buddy, 15 pages of argument over a mis-interpretation/inappropriate title of a 7 year old census study. Seriously, it`s like people were just WAITING to fight about deities.

    Seriously though, interesting read. And true to the promise of the site, killed off my boredom.

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    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 2:16 am
    "now debating is good and all, but what will any of this accomplish? my opinions have not changed, nor have yours, so why do we argue over this?"

    I don`t intend to change anybody`s beliefs by simply putting a post on IAB.com (however if I did, that would be awesome), but, I am just hoping to put a seed of doubt in somebody`s mind that God actually does exist, and maybe someday they would look to learn more about Him.

    and i`m praying for you guys (whether you like it or not lol).

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    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 2:18 am
    and caboose i realize that your last post wasnt directed at me, but still, alot of people have been saying the same thing as you, and getting annoyed with us Christians haha, so I was just trying to clarify why keep posting
  355. Profile photo of xp
    xp Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2007 at 3:46 am
    You keep posting because you are infected with a highly successful, hyper-viral, self perpetuating meme, and like any good host you wish to spread it.
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    pianowire Male 18-29
    9 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 3:57 am
    Hey! look at what i can do!

    blah blah blah blah God blah blah blah everyone that doesn`t agree with me is a moron blah blah blah blah

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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
    4246 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 6:27 am
    "You keep posting because you are infected with a highly successful, hyper-viral, self perpetuating meme, and like any good host you wish to spread it."

    I cover my mouth when I meme around people; it`s just rude otherwise.

    I`m in the mood for pizza.

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    envyrain Female 18-29
    155 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 10:21 am
    Yay! I was praised by Overmann! :D

    Maybe if everyone read my post, this wouldn`t be going on still...
    Oh, you lazy I-A-Bers. You dig your own graves.

    Ohhh, and PLEASE stop saying that you`re "praying for me". Do you realize that you`re basically insulting an atheist when you say that? You`re insulting their lack-of-faith by trying to tell them that you can use the magical powers of God to... well, just why are you praying for us anyway?

    And I truly doubt that ANY of you are actually going to pray for an atheist. You have better things to do, trust me. You could be contributing to the community, helping out a friend, volunteering someplace, fighting for a cause to help the world (all things Atheists do as well, because we don`t need a God to guide us in leaving a mark on the world) instead of wasting your time praying for an atheist. Because THAT`s a lost cause. Do something better with your time, please.

    Even eating a sandwich would get more accomplished.

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    xp Male 30-39
    523 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 10:37 am
    Nice, Pianowire! I can`t do that. I would pull something. I don`t care if any of you pray for me. I don`t care if you try to empty the ocean with an eye dropper either. Knock yourself out.
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    ashtaysis Female 13-17
    2 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 11:12 am
    BrettIsPyro Said:So if I wrote 67 books explain that god doesnt exist wouldn`t that mean he doesn`t exist (just the impression you`re giving me here)

    Even if there r 66 books there are books called "fiction" meaning fake just cause you read it in a boook (or books in this case) doesnt mean it`s true Take harry Potter for example you r going to have one hell of a time convincing HArry Potter is real and he can do everthing he does in those books

    Different men wrote the bible over thousands of years. Yet they all seem to come together and make sense. Shouldn`t that tell you something.

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    xp Male 30-39
    523 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 11:21 am
    What does it tell me exactly?
  362. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 2:40 pm
    "Different men wrote the bible over thousands of years. Yet they all seem to come together and make sense."

    excellent point. thank you.

    "And I truly doubt that ANY of you are actually going to pray for an atheist. You have better things to do, trust me. You could be contributing to the community, helping out a friend, volunteering someplace, fighting for a cause to help the world"

    I actually don`t have better things to do. And yes, I have already prayed for you individually, as well as many others from this site. I tend to believe that trying to help someone find the Lord is a much greater cause than "helping out a friend"

    ....still praying :)

  363. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 2:43 pm
    oh, and envyrain - i really don`t mean to insult you in any way by telling you that I am praying for you - i really don`t. I`m just saying that so you know that I care about you.
  364. Profile photo of virtusiab
    virtusiab Male 13-17
    5 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 4:20 pm
    Okay. Let me make a point here. God "supposedly" created the universe in 7 days. But what is a day? A day is the period of time it takes for Earth to revolve around the sun. How can days exist when Earth and the Sun didn`t even exist? I rest my case.
  365. Profile photo of envyrain
    envyrain Female 18-29
    155 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 4:28 pm
    Horn-

    You`re truly creepy.

  366. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 4:39 pm
    horn4231, if people are asking you to stop praying for them, it is common courtesy to follow their request. To suggest that these people are not comfortable in their godless way of living and would appreciate any attempt to sway them from their lifestyle is ignorant and condescending. Of course you cannot hope to expect atheists to respect your beliefs if you do not respect theirs in turn. If indeed you are praying for me, I am asking you kindly to stop. I imagine envyrain would appreciate the same.
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    NeurolRu Female 18-29
    74 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 4:47 pm
    Overmann, will you marry me? Because you just put everything I`ve been thinking as I read this more eloquently than I ever could have.

    To those of you who were exposed to religion from a young age... I encourage you to explore. Children are highly impressionable and teaching a young person religion is tantamount to brainwashing. Imagine if you were raised Buddhist or Muslim or Pagan, or any religion other than your current one, from the time you could first comprehend language. I guarantee that is the religion you would believe now, and other religions would seem ludicrous to you. If upbringing is the primary reason for your beliefs, maybe it is time to look beyond what you`re comfortable with, because under other circumstances, things could be completely different.

  368. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 6:19 pm
    NeurolRu is very right. Indoctrination is not the best method for children to understand the world around them; it certainly does nothing to educate them or encourage them to think independently. To illustrate, here is a quote from H. P. Lovecraft:

    "If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth."

    Thank you for your compliments, NeurolRu. Maybe not marriage, but I`d definitely consider adding you to my buddy list. ; )

  369. Profile photo of R_U_Kidding
    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
    4246 posts
    July 14, 2007 at 6:23 am
    horn4231: "I have already prayed for you individually, as well as many others from this site."

    Say horn-meister, couldja ask The Big Cheese to get rid of this eczema on my ankle?? Or maybe it`s psoriasis, I`m not sure, but it itches and it`s making me NUTS!!!! Many thanks!

    Hey, if you`re gonna pray, may as well pray for something helpful.

    Oh, I`ve totally stopped taking this discussion seriously.

  370. Profile photo of RelaxEnjoy
    RelaxEnjoy Male 18-29
    205 posts
    July 14, 2007 at 8:29 am
    "Different men wrote the bible over thousands of years. Yet they all seem to come together and make sense. Shouldn`t that tell you something."

    mate, i could write something today and it would fit in with the bible and make sense. that doesnt make it true

    neurolru is right

    pianowire, im impressed


    ps. if anyone is going to pray for me i dont mind

    just please dont pray to someone that killed the first born child of everyone in an entire nation
    ... i dont want that persons attention pointed my way

  371. Profile photo of tgirl149
    tgirl149 Female 13-17
    525 posts
    July 14, 2007 at 10:16 am
    gosh look at all the comments
  372. Profile photo of glennh70
    glennh70 Male 30-39
    61 posts
    July 14, 2007 at 10:20 am
    On 7/10/2007 7:48:27 PM Lou Two wrote: Apparantly proximity to the sea is a strong negative correlating factor to belief in God

    they probably get out more and have fresher air

  373. Profile photo of Ranger618
    Ranger618 Male 13-17
    7 posts
    July 14, 2007 at 10:21 am
    Riiight.... Yeah um.. I believe in God... and Jesus has been proven real from Roman court documents.. I`m bored... random right too many periods here....
  374. Profile photo of glennh70
    glennh70 Male 30-39
    61 posts
    July 14, 2007 at 10:22 am
    On 7/14/2007 10:21:16 AM Ranger618 wrote: Riiight.... Yeah um.. I believe in God... and Jesus has been proven real from Roman court documents.. I`m bored... random right too many periods here....

    a guy called Jesus used to live near me, doesn`t prove much else though

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    phreakphit Male 18-29
    98 posts
    July 14, 2007 at 10:38 pm
    Oh I don`t know. It`s kind of hard to find any form of written or oral history that doesn`t have bias in it from those who wrote it/tell it. That`s all history is. The facts as the people who won want to tell them. Religious or otherwise. So I wouldn`t count -that- as a reason against the bible anymore than any other book that discusses history.
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    hahaXP Female 13-17
    42 posts
    July 15, 2007 at 9:04 pm
    cool
  377. Profile photo of desie
    desie Female 18-29
    576 posts
    July 16, 2007 at 9:25 pm
    wow florida is a pretty God-less place..
    that explains the horrible people i live around..
    I`m so moving.
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    BitemeAlien Female 18-29
    39 posts
    July 21, 2007 at 10:59 pm
    Thats....

    Really./...

    Scary....

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    BonnieParker Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    Yay for Oregon! :D

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