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    buddy Male 30-39
    10116 posts
    July 5, 2007 at 8:21 pm
    Link: The Big Brother State - Privacy is a thing of the past.
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    hunwa Male 18-29
    105 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 2:30 am
    sometimes when i call someone a lot
    i can here something wierd on the other side of it after the first couple of rings
    maybe their listening :O
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    PanicOver Male 13-17
    50 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 2:32 am
    They all laughed when I bought my tinfoil hat...

    Seriously though, I the US and UK are about to get a totalitarian makeover in a few years.

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    cannibal151 Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:33 am
    Jeez, looks like something that would be in the movies. Thats fckin horrible
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    Shisi Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:34 am
    Yeah. Like one of those crazy futuristic movies where little spiders crawl around and scan your eye while you sleep to see if your a badguy...

    Or where talking advertisements know your name... Its out of a nightmare!

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    catlikegrace Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:42 am
    That`s pretty scary.
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    nimsay Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:52 am
    I read the book 1984 by George Orwell and yes, this is very guys should read it to see more of these examples.....
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    sulu Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:56 am
    good point.

    Really the system only works if you have saints as the people who run the filters.

    If you have corrupt people with agendas (like so) it doesn`t work.

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    xboxman Male 13-17
    381 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 3:09 am
    Im just glad ill be dead by the time this comes into full effect.
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    Dark_Entries Female 18-29
    100 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 3:14 am
    Hello 1984.
    On another note: The director of this video is a citizen of Germany. Now why would he be concerned about United States affairs/our `future dystopia`?
    Just a thought.
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    Doomlike Male 13-17
    416 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 3:16 am
    Ya, I was afraid this type of thing would happen, I discussed once about this with somebody, and this would increase the chances of racism because the goverment would track people of a certain religion/colour more. I think it should be stopped from now.
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    EmoCrys Female 13-17
    39 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 3:22 am
    Dark Entries: think about it. the US has a tendency to spread our ways 2 the rest of the world. the US today, the world tomorrow.
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    MapleFr3ak Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 3:27 am
    The secret service wants to stalk us so they can take pictures and sell stuff on the internet. >.>
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    FrcknA Male 18-29
    151 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 3:33 am
    What`s to say one of the many people scanning over your private things over the internet stumbles upon a private tape and decides to sell it to some website for money?

    In attempting to prevent terrorism we cause ourselves much more harm and nuisance than the terrorists themselves could ever achieve. Anyone remember airports before 9/11? They weren`t that bad were they.

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    AK-047 Male 13-17
    270 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 4:12 am
    Really nice way to put the situation in light. Haha, an X on Linux.
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    AtomicMuffin Male 13-17
    699 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 4:35 am
    I don`t really find any of this scary at all. If a government official wants to put in cameras around my city and scan my e-mails, I don`t really care. I just really hope he envys the great offers I receive on penis enlargement pills, Viagra, and free pornography.
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    sunwavewind Female 18-29
    690 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 4:55 am
    I don`t really feel that all this seveillance is necessary. Cameras in cities don`t make me feel safer and they`re probably a waste of money but I don`t really care that they are there. Airport security doesn`t bother me at all but I don`t fly that often. I don`t see a reason to monitor searches, I search for random stuff all the time, it doesn`t give them proof I`m a criminal. I`m not exactly sure how they could stop people from using linux...
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    DeadlyLegion Male 18-29
    452 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 4:58 am
    Stupid atom films with their stupid ads all over the video
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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 5:10 am
    Hopefully, it`s not too late to prevent any further encroachment of the Big Brother State. Things are definitely bad enough; that `Trusted Computing` sounds like a total nightmare, though. An owner of a computer not allowed to install whatever program they please?? Consider the line in the sand drawn. >-(
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    fluffor Female 18-29
    72 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 5:24 am
    drat atom films with their ads. Ah...and yes... drat the US.
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    Itsdude56 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 5:52 am
    lol the last camera part...
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    short_as_pie Female 13-17
    33 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 6:37 am
    seen it all before.. anyway.. had a bit of a giggle at the appearance of winston smith.
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    Ditas Female 18-29
    313 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 6:55 am
    I actually found that really boring... I`m not saying that I`m not worried about it, but the video was really boring :-( zzzz
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    AGit Male 30-39
    996 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 7:36 am
    @ Dark entries: I believe that the narrator does not mention that the situation is exclusive to the United States, but...
    And about being concerned about United States affairs and being German, so what? There are some who value people before places, they are called human beings.
    Patriotism serves to no reasonable cause.

    On the 1984 theme, I highly recomend "Homage to Catalonia", his experiences in the Spanish Civil War, explains a lot about Winston`s world (or if you don`t like to read, which is quite sad but whatever, you can see "Land and Freedom" by Ken Loach, loosely based on the book.

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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2007 at 7:58 am
    They know all of my movements: So what? Not like I really mind if they know that im banging their wife every day while they`re at work.

    They gather explicit informations such as my fingerprints, the color of my eyes and a high resolution picture of my face: OMG... and if someone stoled that cup with my fingerprints all over I just droped after I drank in it... or if I would accidently remove my shades exposing my true eye color to everyone... or if someone took a picture of me while im outside? TEH CRIMNALZ AR COMIN FOR ME. IM DOOMED!@!!11

    They only allow certain software to run on my machine: Who gives a f**k about those lower brand software anyway.

    Wiretapping and scanning emails allow them to access all sort of private information about me: Yes, it would be a real shame if the above poster learned that I actually enjoy granny sex, furries and midgets.

    We believe, that people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both: Threat?

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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2007 at 8:04 am
    That video was so poorly done that it took me ages to write all this. The music is too loud you can`t hear sh*t. I doubt the guy who made that video know how much he`s benifiting right now from what he`s trying to destroy.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
    756 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 8:14 am
    AGit, that`s about what I expected from you. Heil Hitler! Oh, and...

    "Yippee Kayay, mother______."

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    roduku Male 50-59
    446 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 8:24 am
    That is a quote from Benjamin Franklin. I don`t believe it was meant as a threat as much as a warning.

    "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
    - Benjamin Franklin

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    Groogle Male 30-39
    2173 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 9:43 am
    roduku: None are more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free.
    -Johann Wolfgang

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    Groogle Male 30-39
    2173 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 9:56 am
    What I mean by this is that the guy who made that video wants to prevent some people from using technology to acquire personal informations because he`s afraid that some individual in the system are going to take advantage of him or people he care about but no matter what he suggest we do about it will not solve the trouble at the source unless he finds a way to blind, mute and deafen everyone.

    The real trouble is that we live in a society that use a capitalism economic system. If we change this for a ressource based economic system nobody will have a need to search for our information, there wont be anymore monetary competitions between everyone, there wont be any terrorists ( Since there`s enough ressource on earth to keep everyone happy right now ).

    Sure everything is not perfect but it`s better then with capitalism, comunish, socialism or fascism.

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    tgirl149 Female 13-17
    525 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 10:02 am
    omgshh get rid of the brother system now! the ppl that work those things are just stalkers wanting to see u get kinky all the time! we deserve our privacy
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    Groogle Male 30-39
    2173 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 10:29 am
    tgirl149, if I want to see someone naked I will just search the web for about 60 seconds and BAM more porn then my eyes can tolerate... and my eyes can tolerate a lot of porn.

    Dont be so paranoid.

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    eleutherarch Female 13-17
    1003 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 10:33 am
    First a school, then the USA! Next? THE WORLD!!!
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    AGit Male 30-39
    996 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 10:57 am
    @ patriotpappy: seems that the statement you make on your profile contradicts your post. In any case, I appreciate you taking the time to express your opinion.
    The fact that I, let`s say, disagree with patriotism in no way means that I don`t respect the fact that others do. To each their own...It`s just that I prefer to defend people rather than an extension of soil and mud. People are more responsive, generally speaking.
    What I fail to understand is what has that got to do with a dead ball-less failed painter and a bad actor, although maybe I`m too young to get it :P
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    Snoogans Male 30-39
    869 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 11:41 am
    Wouldn`t surprise me if this happened sooner rather than later. Who knows, your iPhone could be watching you!!!
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    Ninnie Female 18-29
    106 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 11:49 am
    To be fair, there`s a lot more going on in the western world that`s closer to a Big Brother state than just cameras. I only really know the details for Britain, but think about ASBO`s and remember the suggestion of time curfews for teenagers? Think as well about the stigma against people wearing hoodies and the potential tougher restrictions on alcohol comsumption. Everything around is being controlled to the point that freedom of choice really is becoming an illusion. Anyone else see parallels to Hitler`s rise to power?

    There`s that place in America that wants to ban, or has banned, boxers from being in view over the tops of jeans, the political correctness crap that stops us from being able to describe a person physically for fear that we might distinguish a person as an individual and therefore ruin any possibility of equality.

    Rules of society are supposed to keep order, not control; I`m all for stopping people from harming others, but today everyone is treated as a suspect.

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    LaChica Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 12:12 pm
    Eh, it`s not going to be used in the US. That guy is talking about London...
    The only thing US is doing is tapping phone conversation that leave the US. So if you call someone out of the nation, the US makes sure you`re not making any schemes...
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    igotwood Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 12:30 pm
    Beautiful... |-(
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    sophiemichel Female 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 12:33 pm
    There`s a lot of controversy right now about the amount of security cameras in the UK. I really am not sure where I stand on the issue. I think the government should have a lot of security, but we need privacy as well to be free nations. Some of it is going a bit too far..
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    stumped4ever Male 13-17
    577 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 12:43 pm
    hmmm scary...
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    HHHBBB Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 1:01 pm
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    ImNoGod Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 1:05 pm
    The maker of this video is an idiot. I`ll give up a little bit of privacy for the overall good of my nation any day.

    The whole idea of all the security cameras is to capture suspected terrorists and stop them before they act. I guess this moron would prefer people to be blown up instead.

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    Shrikil774 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 1:07 pm
    bunch of bullpoo. This is why i hated reading 1984
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
    756 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 2:08 pm
    ^Agit, you are correct; my post does contradict my profile. For that, I apologize... you just hit a nerve when you said that

    "patriotism serves no reasonable cause"
    IMHO, patriotism is not simply an extension of mud and soil. It is defending specific freedoms that are guaranteed to me by my country`s Bill of Rights. A lot of good men and women have died for the freedoms I have, and I will defend what they died for to my grave.

    This, I choose to do, and that sir, is my patriotic freedom!

    I won`t attempt to out-philosophize or out-reason you, and I am not looking for a battle of words. But I do respect whatever freedoms you may have as well.

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    12gaugelove Female 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:26 pm
    I think the author of 1984 should make a 2007. eep!


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    someone? Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:29 pm
    right like any of this is real to its extreme proportions, it`s just another reason for people to blame something on Bush ;d
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 2:42 pm
    How is any of this a bad thing as long as your not doing anything wrong?

    The anti big brother movement is by criminals and for criminals.

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    mintyboy3000 Male 18-29
    382 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 3:38 pm
    On 7/6/2007 1:05:32 PM ImNoGod wrote: The maker of this video is an idiot. I`ll give up a little bit of privacy for the overall good of my nation any day. The whole idea of all the security cameras is to capture suspected terrorists and stop them before they act. I guess this moron would prefer people to be blown up instead.

    We don`t live in a society where every other person is a terrorist! Far from it. The terrorist threat has been exaggerated out of all proportions by our governments and sensationalist media and used to take away even more of our civil liberties.

    Although I`m happy with CCTV in a few crime-riddled areas, the sorts of measures Western governments are putting into force are a deliberate attempt to limit our freedoms. By using things such as their manufactured climate of fear, few people are questioning them.

    The video was all right, it was a bit too short really, I felt there could be more. Still, well made and gets its point across.

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    hxchartbreak Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 3:39 pm
    did you ever notice that every year there are at least a hundred new laws made? US government = control freaks. i`m told that it`s not much better anywhere else, which is why i`m going to end up living in the tundra.
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 3:48 pm
    silly people, as long as you have leaders telling you what to think, you will never be free
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 3:54 pm
    although i would like to see a v for vendetta type situation. explosians are fun
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    Moenkie Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 3:55 pm
    The amount of rhetoric in these comment fields is astonishing.
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    Lompocus Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 5:08 pm
    What is so bad about the survelliance? It`s not like "OMG, Mr. so and so is cheating on his wife, LETS KILL HIM." And yes, just fyi, I have read 1984. I read it and did an EXTREMELY thorough study on it for one of my classes in HS.

    The very fact that you all are allowed to post your negative thoughts on this proves that it isn`t what you think! You would not be on the internet if we were being constantly policed!

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    FrcknA Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 5:12 pm
    Ah, yes the classic argument against privacy: If you have nothing to hide then why does it matter?

    While the threat of a leak of personal information is real and is used as an objection to try and counter the surveillance argument; the truth is such a leak would most likely never happen.
    Also, I do not have anything to hide, and most people do not have anything terribly wrong to hide as well.
    What I do have a problem with, and I think is the reason most people would rather such surveillance not be widely effected is that they have a problem with the government having the power to go through our correspondence. This power does not belong in the government`s hands.
    Also, trusted computing will seriously f#ck up our computing experience. While many people are idiots and would not notice any difference in a trusted computing world many of us who actually know how to use computers would suffer. I KNOW which computer programs to use and which I would like to keep the drat away fro

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    FrcknA Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 5:17 pm
    *from my pc. The reason this is a problem is that trusted computing is not just a suggestion, its a RESTRICTION. That means that future computers will not be able to run programs that are not `trusted` if trusted computing were to be effected. Independent programs and freeware would be wiped out due to lack of funds to pay the agency that manages trusted computing to make such a program trusted. Trusted computing is not based on merit, all they want is more money. Just imagine, no Firefox, HA.
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 5:26 pm
    Holy poo guys, we could make this like a hollywood movie.

    We will become the rebels with no body armor and crappy weapons, but still manage to topple the robots and the heavily armored security forces, while breaking into the tower where they all are controlled from and shutting down the computer by blowing it up as we all run away and dive into a helicopter in slow motion as the building explodes.

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    WhatInThe42o Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2007 at 6:41 pm
    Powerful. 4 Stars.
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    KingofFreaks Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 7:28 pm
    What have you got to worry about if you aren`t a bad guy.
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    Bert10099 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 8:03 pm
    Have a problem with so many cameras in public places?

    What are you doing in the first place that requires so much privacy (Given the cameras aren`t in bathrooms, changing booths, etc.)?

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    Bert10099 Male 13-17
    165 posts
    July 6, 2007 at 8:05 pm
    ^^ Seriously, someone answer that.

    "Ohh, our privacy is being invaded in places that aren`t private, since there are other PEOPLE in those places..."

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    larajunky Female 40-49
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    July 6, 2007 at 8:16 pm
    I`d say YES to it just for the f-ing criminal element but otherwise thats just creepy.
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    S_J_W Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 8:24 pm
    Anyone who doesn’t worry about this because they aren’t a “bad guy”, doesn’t understand what it means to live free and isn’t thinking in the long term. Part of being free is not being watched like a criminal if you haven’t done anything wrong. The US has been toying with the idea if a national ID that would keep track of everyone’s activity and possibly have to be shown when crossing state lines or shopping. You know, sort of like how the Nazi’s use to go around checking papers to make sure you weren’t “one of them”. That’s where the long term comes in. The abuse of surveillance is inevitable.
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    S_J_W Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 8:25 pm
    If things degenerate further the infrastructure is already there to track and arrest people who’ve done nothing wrong such as exercising their constitutional right to peaceful protest. In fact, that’s already happening. In part, Sec. 802 of the Patriot Act defines Domestic Terrorism as actions that “appear to be intended” to “intimidate or coerce a civilian population” or “influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion”. What else is protesting if not the attempt to spread awareness and change government policy through (ideally peaceful) coercion?
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2007 at 8:29 pm
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    xxminglexx Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2007 at 8:53 pm
    Hahah, kenny, exactly what I was thinking. I was hoping that one of the hanging cameras would start beating on one of the criminals, that would`ve added some humor. But that`s just me.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2007 at 10:11 pm
    In a way we are constantly policed because other people have eyes, ears and mouth. There was spies 2000 years ago you know.
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    tourettes Male 18-29
    957 posts
    July 7, 2007 at 1:48 am
    i hate airport security. ive tried to avoid flying but i may have to go visit relatives (i want to see, ha ha ha) so ill have to face it!

    Legacy15, the government IS that civilian board you idiot its just that only big party politicians get elected!

    oo if the government is perverted they have nothing on me. i don`t have sex. finally an upside....

    The whole trusted software thing is the worst IMO i dont only want to trust big corporate software. even though I have xp i customized it with no new software to get rid of that. i don`t do automatic updates or anything like that. ive had no problems with legitimate software and the few virus attempts ive had have been thwarted by yahoo email (preventive), antivirus, and firefox.

    the xp fixes are bs really i think they are spy software not fixes to hacks and whatnot. so dont do them

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    SilentxEm Female 60-69
    670 posts
    July 7, 2007 at 2:18 am
    Really, while this movie does make a good point, it doesn`t do it very well.
    Now, yes, I am concerned about this, because, in the hands of bigots, these are powerful instruments that could be used for all sorts of henious things. I`m not concerned about people learning about my private life--I`m pretty boring, and while I do regularly break laws, I don`t really care--but if someone in power were racist or discriminated against someone because of their sexuality, gender, religion, etc, they could easily use these kinds of powers against them.
    I don`t think that it`ll get too much like in V for Vendetta yet, but if something drastic happens, I can assure you, it`s not impossible.
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    iamrobot13 Male 13-17
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    July 7, 2007 at 7:58 pm
    Would you rather some cop know that you`re private information or be murdered?
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    IceErines Female 18-29
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    July 7, 2007 at 9:02 pm
    That was extremely boring.

    Loved (meaning hated) the ad at the begining.

    The comments were interesting on the page though. Seems everyone has a theory or two about "how much is to much".

    Honestly, in history, every great society falls from the inside out. Look at Rome or the Ottoman Empire. Give a country too much leash and it will hang itself.

    It`s inevitable.

    Now I`m going to go watch Skeletor vs Beastman on You Tube.

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    Flakk Male 13-17
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    July 9, 2007 at 2:48 am
    Well, we can always use force. Im talking about the second amendment, oh peaceable ones!
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2007 at 4:34 am
    You all point to the Nazi`s, but guess who had the most extensive and BRUTAL internal surveillance system? The Soviet-Union, and now Communist China (less) and NORTH-KOREA (more). Guess where all the surveillance-interest is coming from? `Democratic` representatives of your self-interest who wish to keep you safe from yourself; it`s the little freedoms, like smoking in public-places, having the choice between a variety of health-care providers, not facing criminal charges if you neglect to put on your seatbelt, and a variety of other `concerned-restrictions` which stem from the liberal nanny-state internationalist-agenda that lead to your loss of self-determination regarding what you would put into your body, the implementation of `safe-ware` which restricts your choice to an oligopoly of providers vs. among myriad options competing in the free-market (indirectly analogous to certain socialized health-care schemes), perpetual surveillance under the auspices of `guaranteed protection`
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2007 at 4:35 am
    (most insidiously, from yourself), and full-body scanning in the name of national security (perhaps the ONLY element of Neocon influence to be found practically in this entire scheme!). It`s the Socialist, welfare-stater, cradle-to-grave proponents which so successfully set these sort of dystopian plays into motion, and are the ones who are so successful at convincing you it`s all coming from the other side.

    A note on the terror situation; it MAY be an invented need, there MAY have been a conspiracy surrounding 9/11, and the media MAY be exaggerating this threat (even though its greatest hypes surround ACTUAL events like the bombing in this narrator`s country of innocent civilians on public-transit units, and the ACTUAL rioting of young Negro and Muslim youths and unprovoked assault against white citizens), but here`s what it comes down to: we have to treat the CAUSES, not the symptoms!

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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 9, 2007 at 4:36 am
    No matter WHAT the propaganda designed to persuade you into selling-out your fundamental civil-rights, or which side it comes from, it`s the fact that we are dealing with this entire middle-eastern conflict the wrong way; maybe not ENTIRELY wrong, but certainly not RIGHT enough to ELIMINATE this threat altogether, and THAT`S where we should be starting! Putting all our attention and efforts on treating the symptoms will only distract resources and efforts in putting the ORIGIN of these problems right again, and eventually exacerbate the very threats they are professing to address (read: treat) out of pure negligence. The cancer is in the middle-east; if you spend all of your money on pain medication that is only going to make you feel worse in the morning, you won`t have any leftover for Chemo; and that`s the bottom-line.
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    bloody0angel Female 13-17
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    October 6, 2007 at 2:32 pm
    aww crap

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