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89 Responses to Michael Moore vs Wolf Blitzer

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    buddy Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:29 am
    Link: Michael Moore vs Wolf Blitzer - Michael Moore rips CNN a new one.
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    thecite Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:07 am
    THAT WAS GREAT
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    leb0guyy Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:09 am
    Yeh, Shut the F*ck Up, CNN!!
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    thecite Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:12 am
    I am sick of all the crap CNN says, Michael Moore is a fantastic filmmaker and represnts only the truth.
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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:18 am
    Michael Moore has no right to tell anyone that they are biased and untruthful...not that CNN is any better....Michael Moore is still an ass.
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    trojanboi Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:20 am
    didnt anybody elses cut off?
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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:24 am
    yet you responded to me and not his clip?...hmmm
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    flipz4 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:27 am
    that was a great piece
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:38 am
    So Michael Moore is an ass then NeiltheSheep?
    I`d certainly pay more attention to him than you!

    And rather than repost i will respond to the clip.

    CNN did lie. I`m a Brit. I get free healthcare. Yes I pay Tax. Acctually..to be honest we call it national insurance rather than TAX which is divied up between health care and other benefits (such as child or welfare). The payment is a minimal...tiny..its a very small percentage of your pay packet. So should you be injured, ill, out of work...your not just left out to rot. Its not a perfect system but damn is it better than yours..CNN talked crap. The system works as well as can be expected which in my case has been very well. I get into an accident..I`ll be ok..it wont cost me thosands i cant afford. I lose my job..to a point I`ll be helped till I get employment again..etc etc. Its system that suffers abuse from some but that happens to everything now.

    So rather than calling him an ass and a liar..why dont you get some hard facts

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:44 am
    And I re clarify rather than you twist what I have said. Even though I pay National insuance, if I was to become jobless, homeless, without money etc I would still recive treatment should I need it.
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    trojanboi Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:48 am
    I just thought it was funny how he acts on live news!
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:51 am
    cnn, fox, and president bush are the worst things to ever happen to this country
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    DMDekoth Male 70 & Over
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:51 am
    Michael backs up all of his claims with sources and facts, unlike CNN. I didn`t really like his 9/11 film but SiCKO more than makes up for it.

    edit: in b4 flamewars (there was ALMOST one above!)

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    great_blaise Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:55 am
    (I apologize for any misspellings or missed homophones.)

    Time for an opinion that gives credit to both sides:

    I think Michael Moore (MM From now on) has some very good points although there are some flaws in National Health Care. First of all, of course CNN was being bias, all news media is. It`s practically their job. Now on to National Health Care. I do agree with MM when he says that "when It comes to taking care of people, it shouldn`t be about profit." That is completely true. Prices of getting medical help are outrageous, and I can`t think of why. Why should it cost $60,000 to get the tip of your finger back on when you can drive perfectly fine without it in the new car you just bought with that money? But it`s not only the procedure, you also have to pay for the medications that they give you and there is an entrance fee and a boarding fee and blah blah blah. It`s freaking crazy. I think it was three years ago that my sister broke her arm at the elbow.

    Part 2 bel

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    chatgirl44 Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:56 am
    one thing`s for sure about michael moore: he has balls.
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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:58 am
    I have no problem with the difference of opinion that Mr.Moore or anyone may have...in fact we need difference of opinions...the way he goes about "proving" his points are just shady...watching his movies it`s clear...people turn a blind eye because they like what they hear or because it`s funny or whatever...I haven`t seen the last movie...but I feel it it`s probably as twisted and skewed as everything else he`s done...which I think hurts the cause(even if it`s a good on)
    However...in response to the health care situation...it`s not anyones job to make sure I get taken care of except for myself...

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    great_blaise Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:13 am
    Part 2:

    And my family is still paying the bills. It is becoming a real burden, but until something massive happens we have to pay those bills. Now imagine if we didn`t have to pay those bills. Those expenses would be incorporated into taxes and other fees. The government would find a way to charge us. Now think of those families who are struggling as it is. If their taxes are raised then what happens to them? If they were barely making it, then they wouldn`t be making it at all anymore. (Of course this depends on the rate of the tax, but you can`t deny that it would make it even harder if not impossible.) There are a lot of people out there who are barely making it or not making it at all. So if taxes were raised then what would happing to them? So in the light of this, my opinion is that hospitals should keep the patient stable until there are background checks on financial status and insurance status to decide what they should pay...

    Part 3 below

    (No comments on this until done

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    great_blaise Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:29 am
    Part 3:

    ...(Which shouldn`t be so high that it practically brakes them.) Nothing comes without a price, and that includes freedom. But I`m not going to get into the subject of the War. Unfortunately medical help comes at a huge price. My opinion is that medical care shouldn`t be free, but it should be much less expensive depending on your current status. (Doctors need to be payed or they wouldn`t be doing it.)

    But now think of this: Maybe the reason that you can`t pay for it is because you weren`t ready for the world and you thought people were just going to take care of you so you didn`t try at all and you just got yourself into this. In that case do you really deserve the discount prices? If you had a good healthy job but lost it somehow then that is a different story. But I don`t want to pay for someone`s health care if they didn`t deserve it, but that`s what would happing in national health care.

    Think about That.

    If I have missed anything please tell me, but don`t be ru

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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:31 am
    Great Blaise....right on...pretty much how I feel...you`re just better at saying it...
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    burntsac Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:34 am
    I agree with NeiltheSheep. The government can`t hold your hand through everything; people have to take responsibility for themselves eventually. Don`t have insurance? Get a job with benefits. Job doesn`t have benefits? Get a different job. Can`t get a job? Go to school or learn a trade. Can`t afford school? Apply for student loans or go to the library. And try to keep yourself healthy as well. No one is saying the system is perfect, but I much prefer it to universal health care.

    Furthermore, no one is mentioning the whole implementation of a free health plan. The US has over 300 million people compared to Germany at about 82 million, France at 64 million or even Sweden at 9 million. Also, the US population is much more heterogenous and there is sure to be some backlash among cultures.

    The current system is bogged down with too many frivolous lawsuits and attorneys with clients looking for an easy buck.

    And Michael Moore is a tool.

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    burntsac Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:39 am
    And also in keeping with Great_Blaise, of course there are situations where through no fault of one`s own they become injured, jobless, homeless or whatever. I have no problem helping to support them, as I would hope to be helped to some degree as well.
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    tourettes Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:51 am
    Michael Moore is right on, blitzer and republicans are wrong they are greedy scumbags who dont like the "evil" socialized medicine. the opportunity cost of the iraq war is less money to fund anything else including better health care. plus it would be much cheaper to do an air and naval weapons war against a country than to push troops in (iran hint hint).

    In California Arnold proposed a modification to the health care system and to help pay for it doctors, nurses, and hospitals would be taxed a small amount. The whole medical profession revolted against this proposal, which is disgusting in itself. Some people in my family work as doctors and dentists and I know for sure they make more than $200,000 a year. I know not all doctors make that much but a good number do in California.

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    xp Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:52 am
    He was right in his last movie. He`s right in this one too. This is not a "difference of opinion" these are facts that are clear now 4 years later. They were clear to me and a lot of other people 4 or 5 years ago. Now they are simply irrefutable. This cannot be spun.
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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:13 am
    MM does bring up facts...but he leaves many out...the stuff that doesn`t jive is ignored or changed...I seem to recall a scene in "bowling for columbine" where, thru a cartoon depiction, white guys go over to Africa with nets to capture slaves...I`m pretty sure that`s not a factual acount on how things happened.

    Again I can`t say with the new flick, I haven`t seen it...but I want to.

    On another note...why are people so shocked that doctors become doctors to make money, and taxing them becaseu they make all that money is wrong...the earn their money...they don`t owe me any of it.

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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:15 am
    why the hell am I still on here?....I need to go to bed
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    i-am-emo Female 70 & Over
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:32 am
    WOOT GO AUSTRALIA
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    burntsac Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:42 am
    Another topic is if we convert to universal health care, then what`s the next thing people will complain about? Will Michael Moore become upset that attorneys make a profit, so everyone is entitled to free legal counsel (aside from court-appointed public defenders)?
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:45 am
    NeiltheSheep I quote:
    "However...in response to the health care situation...it`s not anyones job to make sure I get taken care of except for myself..."

    Wrong answer! Totally and utterly wrong answer. Your thinking "me" instead of "us". Dont get me wrong. I couldnt care less about America`s healthcare. Its not my healthcare. But I do care about more than myself. If america had a similar system to ours, things are bound to be better for you. the problem is exactly how you see it. Its "my" responsibility to look after "me". There may come a point when you can do that anymore. Insurance for an individual has a cut off point...something he acctually discusses in depth in the movie. What if you have insurance to the best you can afford but you get totally mangled in a hit and run. What if your medical bills come to close to $500`000 but your insurance only covers half of that. He is after a better system that is fair to all. >>

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:57 am
    >>

    As for your other comment about is "re-enactment" of the history of slavery. do you really think all the history of slavery could be summed up in a 3 min cartoon? As for your last other statement about doctors. Errr WHAT? Everybody does something to earn money. We all have mortgages. I`ve never met a rich doctor...The 2 doctors I know (and several nurses) got into medicne for one reason only. To HELP people and save lives. I`m pretty sure that how all doctors start. It may change along the way but thats the first step (well..not for nurses..they never get paid enough). Ask any doctor over here in the UK where the real money is and its medical research...DRUGS to be exact. Companys can make billions for developing and patenting new drugs. So think about that..oh..and please, whilst your at it, just check out which of your politicians are funded by pharmaceutical firms..you might want to check out the ones in cahoots with the oil companys too. Dont take my word for i

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    fluffyhoob Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:02 am
    i agree the_maddog im a brit too. and although we always moan about waiting lists and queues (the brits love to queue >-<) but in all honestly we wouldnt be without it! and its not FREE, its paid for already by tax...unless your a bum ofc and have NEVER worked in your life
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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:20 am
    the Maddog...no..slavery can`t be summed up in a 3 minute cartoon, yet he did it!...that`s the point...he screws things aroud to make it fit. In a perfect world..everybody helping everyone else is the way to go...it`s a noble thought, but ignorant at the same time. If something happens to me that I can`t afford to remedy , it sucks it really does (and I`ve paid thru the nose for things, literally I broke my nose, and paid a pooload for it), but it`s not the taxpayers duty to pay because a softball hit me in the head(funny story really)...by saying it`s my problem,I AM thinking about everyone else who shouldn`t have to be responsible for my injuries. I think a lot of doctors want to help people too, but you shouldn`t take it out on them because poeple want hand outs for their services...and thanks for reminding me that politicians are corrupt...dosn`t change what I think..
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    NeiltheSheep Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:27 am
    BTW the_maddog...I hope you don`t take this personally...I have fun debating this stuff, and I`m glad someone is responding...I`m actually really enjoying this...thanks
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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:40 am
    "That report was so biased."

    Way to call the kettle black fat ass. I thought for sure his waddled neck would explode he was so pissed.

    On that same note, I would rather pay an arm to choose who does my life threatening surgery than have to be on some list and get some moron to do my surgery. Besides the only people who don`t have insurance or healthcare here in the states are poor people and to be honest they don`t deserve it. Don`t work zero benefits.

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    Tymberwulf Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:40 am
    I will give you the main reason for the massive costs of medical bills here in the United States. Malpratice Lawsuits. Yep, the great American dream of being able to sue someone so you don`t have to worry no more is the reason doctors and hospitals have to charge so much. Each doctor, each hospital, and each clinic has to have Malpractice insurance so they won`t be finacially ruined the first time they make a mistake. (Yes, they can make mistakes, they are human).

    Now on the other hand, I firmly believe that hospitals, clinics, and doctors should make a profit, otherwise why in the hell would they bother to go through years and years of school? America is a capatilist economy, which means you either make money, or you go out of business. So next time you want to yell at someone for the price of getting better, look towards your fellow Americans (where it applies) and see what they are awarding at Malpractice trials. Most doctors will have to pay $50,000+ a year on premiums. :(

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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:45 am
    Agreed. You pay more for the good doctors and if you have the money why not? Oh because it`s not fair? Mr. loser at the Jack in the Box can`t afford the best hosiptal so Mr. CEO of large compnay should not be able to too? You bleeding heart liberals need to thicken up. Get over your perfect world peace bullpoo.
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    fluffyhoob Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 6:42 am
    we have private health care too you know, for the people who want to be seen by `better` doctors and pay through the nose for it. but the `free` health care is available to everyone rich or poor and funnily enough most rich people take it. the ones i know certainly do anyway.
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    S_J_W Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:08 am
    @Devi3000

    It’s not a matter of fairness it’s a matter of ethics. Doctors take an oath to “do no harm”. That includes refusal to treat a person simply because they don’t earn enough. It’s also not a matter of CEO’s not getting good treatment, it’s a matter of everyone getting the kind of treatment that only people like CEO’s can currently afford. Health care isn’t a consumer product or a luxury item. It’s a basic necessity. Try telling a kid that he or she can’t be treated because their parents can’t afford insurance. Try telling the volunteers that helped clean up ground zero after 9/11 that they can’t afford treatment for their subsequent respiratory illnesses because they aren’t officially city employees and thus aren’t covered by the city workers health plan. Sure other systems have their flaws but the benefit that America has going into this is that we can study those systems and avoid

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    S_J_W Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 7:09 am
    any mistakes that they made.
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    grrigiveup Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:24 am
    NeiltheSheep--"by saying it`s my problem,I AM thinking about everyone else who shouldn`t have to be responsible for my injuries"

    Okay, I understand your feelings there, but... This is a give and take situation. You aren`t the only one getting healthcare. You break your nose, everyone else is "Responsible" for that, via their taxes. However, anyone in that "everyone else" who gets injured a year later, is then returned the favor because you`re paying your taxes.

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    iChris Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:25 am
    the news media is destroying the country and kudos to michael moore for speaking out.
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 9:32 am
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
    From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, and is always followed by a dictatorship.
    The average of the world`s great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage."
    — Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1747-1813), Scottish jurist and historian. Professor of Universal History at Edinburgh Univ. in the late 18th Century.
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    alik1986 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 9:52 am
    michael moore is an idiot
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    alik1986 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 9:57 am
    but so is wolf...so it is like a meeting of the idiots
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 10:32 am
    Wow... IAB posted something showing Michael Moore in a good light? I think I just threw up a bit in my mouth...

    I haven`t seen SiCKO, mostly because I can`t stand any of Moore`s craptastic documentaries, but also because I don`t believe in watching a documentary with a political agenda.

    The way I look at it, there are four types of people in America when it comes to health insurance: those who are rich enough to easily afford it, those who are smart enough to find a job that offers it, those that receive government help (poor people, old people, disabled people), and those inbetween poor and middle class who can`t get it.

    There are a lot of nice things about socialized health care, but there are plenty of nasty things about it. Rather than write 80 million replies about it, you really should look up facts, or at least read arguments from both sides.

    However, please, PLEASE don`t praise Moore. Ugh...

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    phroedoux Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:01 am
    Moore- stop being such a whiny little bitch and admit that every time you make a mockumentary, you fudge the facts.

    `nuff said.

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    evanking Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:50 am
    this whole comments page is unbelievably stupid
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2007 at 11:52 am
    We`re already up to our ears in ENTITLEMENT programs, the baby boomers alone are going to bankrupt the U.S.

    And you morons think it`s a good idea to add socialized medicine on top of that?

    Are you trying to destroy the economy? Do you even know what "economy" means?

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    rickbehr Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:13 pm
    Michael Moore is a fat sack of ignorance and pushyness. He must die.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:16 pm
    i hate Michel Moore, CNN and any form socialized government.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:17 pm
    Frankly I dont think it really matters. As long as you got capitalism around you will have opportunists like CNN.

    More proof that it`s time to redesign our future.

    http://www.futurebydesign.org/

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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:23 pm
    Future by design is a joke. Thinly-veiled collectivism at the point of a gun. Been tried.
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    krusty2514 Male 70 & Over
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:29 pm
    Health care is sham in america.

    The system should be set up as kerry said. Have the more well off pay more taxes, and let the poor pay less taxes. That way 18,000 people still have their lives.

    Just think of how you would feel if your mom or dad died, because they did not have health insurance and they died of something rare like a brain tumor when their only complaint was that they just had frequent hedaches. Now you are a child without your mother for the rest of your life.

    Also many people cannot simply afford health insurance. It is so damn expensive in america, its either paying your rent or paying paying for your health.

    It should be a countries duty to provide for their citizens instading of starting false wars.

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    jess_izzle Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 12:36 pm
    I f*cking hate Michael Moore.

    But that was awesome.

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    omgwtflol Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:34 pm
    The part where Moore salutes Blitzer and says "see you in 3 years!" was hilarious.
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    napolean420 Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm
    Part of the reason its so expensive is cause were so unhealthy. We are the fastest nation. #1 killer is heart disease. If people took care of there health then the system wouldn`t be so overloaded and wouldn`t need tons of meds for every damn ailment. On the other hand the gov is like a drug dealer telling people they need these meds to live. BS. Put down the Twinkie and go for a jog fatty.
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    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:21 pm
    I have lived in Canada, England, and the US. Honestly, the United States has much better treatment, if you are willing to pay for it. If you dont pay for the Primier PPO plan (I have been on both sides), our healthcare is much worse.

    We live in society based around money, sad as it is, thats that. As for those who want to have national healthcare, move. Simple as that. The taxes I paid in Canada and the UK far outweighed the services I receieved. I would much rather be here and paying for my higher plan.

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    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
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    July 12, 2007 at 2:28 pm
    Healthcare would be significantly less if hospitals/doctors/medical insurance, companies werent so damn greedy.

    Both sides want the most money possible, so doctors and hostpitals drastically overcharge for all their services, fully knowing that they wont get that full amount from the insurance companies who are trying to cut costs.

    But those who dont have top notch healthcare are having to pay those outrageous fees.

    As for why drugs cost so much, its because the clinical trial process takes so much money and time, mostly because pharm companies use paper to track everything. If they moved over to PDE, EDC, eSafety, and Analysis tools throiugh computers (they slowly are), the process will get much cheaper and drug cost lowers.

    Anyone who wants more info on this, check out companies like DataLabs (bought out my ClinPhone), Phase Forward, and Relsys (disfunctional but really good safety and trend analysis company).

    fyi, I work in pharmaceuticals and health services.

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    larajunky Female 40-49
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:00 pm
    MIchael Moore is the SH*T!! He tells the truth the whole truth and NOTHING but the truth!! Bravo dude, I hope to see more of his eye opening films.
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    Axium Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:05 pm
    I don`t like Michael Moore, but he`s right about CNN, Fox, any of the drive by media. We`re force fed people`s thoughts and opinions without being able to make up our own. It`s impossible to make your own opinion without having to swim through the crap.
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    cambriaseyes Female 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 3:45 pm
    The only reason government exists is to help and protect the people under it, so why the hell shouldn`t we have national healthcare? I`m so sick of selfish idiots saying "it`s not the governments responsibility" or "just get a job with benefits". It`s impossible for EVERYONE in this country to have a job that`s steady enough to have adequate medical coverage. I don`t understand why some people go kicking and screaming into helping out their fellow man.
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    AFTERSHOCK Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:27 pm
    MICHAEL MOORE IS MY NEW HERO/IDOL/GOD!!!
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    hunwa Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 4:35 pm
    he speaks the truth
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    goodbye777 Male 13-17
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:07 pm
    For those of you who are talking trash about America`s health care system shut up. Yes it is pretty bad, but Michael is a little slanted. In America if you go to the hospital it is illegal for a doctor to ask you for proof of insurance if it is a non-elective procedure. Such as having a nail pulled out of your head. But the sad thing is in America some things are considered elective when they obviously aren`t. Such as a heart transplant.
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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 5:09 pm
    Michael Moore is a filthy liar and his movies amount to nothing more than socialist, ant-American propaganda.

    For those of you wondering why so many of us abhor the idea of nationalized health care, here it is:
    People have certain rights. The right to not be murdered, the right to defend oneself, the right to control over one`s possessions, etc. Rights of one person end where another`s begin. No one has a right to anything that already belongs to someone else.

    Do you know what that means? No one has a right to anything that someone else must provide. That means there is no right to health care. After all, health care is provided by doctors and paid for (in a socialized universal health plan) by taxpayers. Forcing doctors to work amounts to slavery, and taking money from others to give to people they don`t know (and who probably don`t deserve it) amounts to theft. Both are violations of basic rights.

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    23scadu Male 18-29
    274 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 6:02 pm
    moore is fat
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    Snoogans Male 30-39
    869 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 6:34 pm
    A big problem with the health care system is that too many people have their hand in the cookie jar and are trying to make a buck. Sure this is a capitalistic country but it doesn`t mean that you can fleece the public. No one is saying that you have to accept medical treatment. But because many people cannot afford medical treatment they go to emergency rooms when their condition is at it`s worst and then not pay the bill which ends up hurting the middle class the most since the buck is past down to them. If these sick people had affordable health care then they could get treatment at an earlier stage in their illness and have a better chance of recovering. Not only would this make them able to contribute to society faster it would most like be cheaper than say having to use more expensive forms of treatment for an illness that didn`t have to reach that point. Sure their is some sensationalism in Moore`s movies, but like the saying goes : The Truth Hurts!
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    Snoogans Male 30-39
    869 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 6:38 pm
    And for those people who don`t think that the health care system doesn`t need improving I truly hope that you never have to be in a position where you need medical treatment and can`t afford it. I guess sometimes it needs to hit home for it to be an issue. Luckily my wife and I have great jobs with great health insurance. Plus I`m Canadian so worst case I`d just head up north =)
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    Samural77 Male 30-39
    135 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 7:27 pm
    He is still a blow hard, If the Brits medical coverage is so great why does my uncle pay for "Private Health care Ins" If socialized medicine is the holy grail how could a health ins company survive over there?
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    ninjacache Male 18-29
    221 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 7:44 pm
    I Love how Moore criticizes CNN for being bias. When he is just as bad if not worse. This is the kind of attention he wants, he thrives on people hating him. Turns out he is just a big fat extreme liberal douche bag!! :p
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    ARC123 Female 13-17
    269 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 8:41 pm
    I couldn`t even get through this. Michael Moore pisses me off so bad!
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    S_J_W Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2007 at 8:45 pm
    Indigo_M, that is by far the dumbest thing that I`ve heard in a long time. I guess you also “abhor” the idea of things like Medicaid, Social Security, public schools, public transportation, city planning and beautification, as well as the protection that we get from the police, fire department and military. Or did you not realize that all those things are funded through taxes? I guess that makes America a hotbed of Socialist activity in your book, huh? Maybe you should just move to a country where the fire department will ignore you unless you can pay them up frond for saving your home as it’s consumed by flames. Tard…
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 9:04 pm
    great_blaise: "But I don`t want to pay for someone`s health care if they didn`t deserve it, but that`s what would happing in national health care."

    And who, pray tell, does not deserve to be healthy?

    I`m all for socialized health care, having grown up in the German health care system in my youth. America has so much potential but it`s wasted on the pursuit of superfluous profit and at heart a `me` mentality. A lot of the problems with the American health care system can be readily fixed by removing health care from the grips of the private sector, capping doctor salaries (excess can go back into the system as opposed to being spent on that summer home in Connecticut), and capping malpractice law suit claims.

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    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3431 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 9:34 pm
    My Union ensures that my Health Care is excellent. The Cost of my well being is incurred by the primary threat to my Physical health, my work place. Healthcare should be provided by Employers. The Government should provide Healthcare only for those that are incapable of working. This is a pretty halcyon notion of how it should work I know, but I believe it would be more effective than government regulation. The Health of Human Beings shouldn`t have a Pricetag any way you cut it.
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    tulip Female 50-59
    250 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 10:26 pm
    Buddy, you should have posted this in generals as well.
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    tulip Female 50-59
    250 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 10:30 pm
    How difficult is it for american retards to grasp, over 40 million of "your own" are uninsured? I am beyond dissappointed. 18 million in the states die each year due to no healthcare. You insured better hope you can keep that job till age 65 ;).
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    guardateciel Female 18-29
    727 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 11:10 pm
    you tell `em michael
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 11:27 pm
    Lets address some of the crap I see being posted here. I`ve seen posts along the line "I dont get my moneys worth for taxe`s" and "why should I pay for another`s healthcare".
    All drivel. All of it. Here`s the basic idea. You pay Tax..everyone does (no I dont like them either). Here in the UK those tax payments go towards a lot of things. Education, public services, defence, etc etc. Most of it isnt obvious. But its there, it`s what make`s MY country work. not the individual..but the masses. If we dont like it, we vote someone else in next time. you can not, and will not EVER get your own personal feeling of "value for money" from taxes. It`s impossible. But councils pave the streets, pick up the rubbish etc and life goes on.
    If you want to live in the self centered socity many of you americans seem to hold so dear then good for you, but what your preaching is greed and selfishness. A few dollars tax from each taxpayer per month >>
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    tulip Female 50-59
    250 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 11:30 pm
    Bravo, The_Maddog!
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 11:34 pm
    >> would improve everyone`s healthcare. Dont claim its going to cost hundreds because it simply dosnt work that way. Not everyone needs healthcare. You can shout about getting insurance all you want but the taxable system WORKS. CNN`s report was a load of crap. You can shout all you like about rights but I personaly belive EVERYONE has a right to life and health. If my taxes save someones life I think thats great...because one day it might be me. And to those who will hide behind "no american doctor can refuse treatment"..fair enough. But it`s not so pretty when your lumped with a huge trumped up medical bill you cant pay. What happens then? Sure your alive, but your quality of life just dissapeared down the toilet when everything you own gets repossed. Hospitals should not be run like a business. Life should NEVER have a price tag on it. Sadly..thats something you all seem to miss to often!
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    tulip Female 50-59
    250 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 11:43 pm
    True! I cant recall the amount of liens, hospitals place on a patients property because they had no insurance. We do not insist every US citizen has insurance for toilet flushing. Medicine in the states is all about profit. I think Hillary was the only person in US history to give a damn. She was shot down as I expected she would be. Its a sad time when americans can so carelessly allow their fellow citizens to die because of fear of a few dollars in taxes.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    July 12, 2007 at 11:46 pm
    The Clintons (both) have allways been behind the idea of healthcare for all...and with that in mind I ask you to consider this. Its on open question.
    who really cares about the American citizens if you dont care about yourselves?
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    sulu Male 18-29
    994 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 12:03 am
    People sure are selfish huh? "I don`t want to pay taxes to take care of you, SCREW YOU!"

    Guess that`s what separates liberals and conservatives.

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    tulip Female 50-59
    250 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 12:14 am
    sulu. what pays to flush your toliet? You are as braindead as most conservative, americans are.
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    sulu Male 18-29
    994 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 1:25 am
    ^ You dumbass I`m a liberal.

    I`m pointing out how rich people can`t spare a penny for the poor.

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    tulip Female 50-59
    250 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 1:33 am
    On 7/13/2007 1:25:09 AM sulu wrote: ^ You dumbass I`m a liberal. I`m pointing out how rich people can`t spare a penny for the poor.
    Soz, your post was not so clear to me.
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    sulu Male 18-29
    994 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 1:36 am
    no problem I get that sometimes. But really people are pretty selfish.

    Strange how that goes.

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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
    354 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 3:38 pm
    S_J_W, you missed the point completely. Health care is not the same as saving someone who is on the brink of death. Once again: it is provided by OTHER PEOPLE, therefore it is NOT A RIGHT. I wouldn`t leave the country if it institutes socialized health care, but I just really hate the idea that everyone else is somehow ENTITLED to MY PROPERTY. Social Security operates on the same principle, and I am opposed to that, too. I do NOT have a responsibility to pay for other people`s cold medicine, bandages, check-ups, plastic surgery, etc.

    More problems with socialized health care are that it eliminates the incentive for excellence that only capitalism encourages and reduces overall quality of health care due to the inevitable increase in doctor visits and number of patients. Plus, we have the problem of illegal immigrants leeching off our system, a problem that would be exacerbated by nationalization of the health care industry.

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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
    354 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 3:42 pm
    Taxpayer-funded programs are symbols of unity and cooperation in an otherwise individual-oriented country. They are privileges for those who either had bad luck or failed to act on opportunity. Privileges, not rights. Public programs are matters of simple expediency, not enforcers of "social responsibility". Somewhere along the line, gratitude got replaced with a sense of entitlement, most likely due to politicians` bids for power, which often hinge upon gaining trust and dependence from constituents.
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    DJTux Male 13-17
    16 posts
    July 13, 2007 at 11:50 pm
    Michael is very ignorant. He always thinks he`s right. I would like to see him make a movie where he shows the good and the bad. Not just all the bad evidence. I mean, you could take the 10 dumbest Americans, quiz them on film, then claim that all Americans are stupid based on the ones they picked out.

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