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89 Responses to WTC Attack Simulation

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    buddy Male 30-39
    10116 posts
    June 22, 2007 at 11:01 pm
    Link: WTC Attack Simulation - Scientists at Purdue university produced this simulation of the plane hitting the World Trade Center.
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    gr8nbed69 Female 18-29
    110 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:11 am
    so...boring. talk about monotone.
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    zirak Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 2:16 am
    why did this even need to be made?...
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    LaChica Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 2:19 am
    Verrrry detailed is what I think.
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 2:20 am
    I`m starting a WTC conspirator conspiracy.

    I think the conspirators of WTC actually did it.

    And if not, we can just go hit them with heavy things while they`re trying to spread their bullsh*t.

    Anyone with me?

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    sgdp Female 18-29
    553 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:37 am
    that makes no logical sense, Ryan...but anyways, GO PURDUE :D
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    spongamabob Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 2:44 am
    couldn`t they have got a REAL person to speak?
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    llama4114 Female 18-29
    91 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:54 am
    WTF is with the guy doing the Voice over? is he from Minnesota or Canada EH?
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    sgdp Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 3:03 am
    And I totally think bombs were involved. It`s not a conspiracy. It`s a possibility...
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    iPirate Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 3:12 am
    here comes 2 people aguing over Sept. 11. i wonder who will start it
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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
    280 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 3:15 am
    What Ryan said made perfect sense. He intends to black the conspiracy theorists for 9/11 and beat with heavy objects. Whether they really did it or are just lying about it doesn`t matter, it`s morally just (in his opinion) either way.
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    thecite Male 13-17
    554 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 4:26 am
    Well the video was pointless, it didn`t tell us anything about whether the supports should of held it up or anything, all it seemed intersted in, was advertising how good this simulator was and how they could do it.
    Boring as hell E-
    And by the way RyanF701 you do talk schit, there are many inconsistencies in the collapse of these buildings and just to dismiss it as crap is ridiculous, I`m yet to agree with any of your comments, sgdp makes the good point of NOT the conspiracy MORE the possibility, nice job sgdp.
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    Argh_Beast Male 18-29
    838 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 4:45 am
    OH BOY OH BOY! DO it again MR. ! DO IT AGAAAAAIN!
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    omgwtfbbqhax Male 13-17
    240 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 4:45 am
    I really... REALLY... dont, care
  15. Profile photo of vana129
    vana129 Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 4:47 am
    As a Purdue student, I found this both impressive and depressing. It`s an impressive simulation, but this had better not be where my tuition money goes.
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    matrixie Female 18-29
    718 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 5:10 am
    dont worry vana129 stuff like that is easy to make with the right prog, just takes a lot of time and you only need a computer and the software so it wouldnt take a lot of money really. hate to see the render time though
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    June 23, 2007 at 5:20 am
    pwned
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    rofl-sockz13 Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 6:36 am
    very, very annoying voice...
    ok video not what i expected
    i heard a theory that george bush was behind it. sounds crazy, but he needed a reason to finish the war his dad started.
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    twodollars Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 6:38 am
    Not really. http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simul...

    Says that is only rendered with 3DSMax and all the math poo is done by LS-Dyna and if you have to put in a request to see the price for LS-Dyna, its gotta cost hella!

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    Groogle Male 30-39
    2172 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 6:43 am
    That video answered nothing.

    All they said in the video was "We made cool simulation program code. We l33t!" and frankly that animation is crap.

    Show us some real evidences not some half arsed attempt to become popular or something.

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    Groogle Male 30-39
    2172 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 6:44 am
    By the way, the guys who made that animation make animation cartoons for childrens.
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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 6:53 am
    I like how they broke it down so we could see each element at a time.

    I wouldn`t say it`s freakishly hard to do, but it must have taken time getting all the coding and math perfect.

    And by the way, they`re not trying to prove anything. You don`t play Flight Sim to learn to fly a real plane, it`s to get a SIMULATION.

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 7:05 am
    Exactly PheonixPhata.

    I haven`t done it yet, but I want to.

    I want to hit them with really big heavy things, yes.

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    Doomlike Male 13-17
    416 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 7:15 am
    It has no point, it happend, I don`t need a simulation of 9/11.
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    T3h-Wraith Male 13-17
    645 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 7:56 am
    Is there any particular reason i should care?
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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
    737 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 8:24 am
    I`m still in full support of the single plane theory.
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    DoubtingTom Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 8:38 am
    EURGH although they are slightly hard to compare because of size n repercussions etc etc

    9/11 in america is what Diana is to england as people just wont give it a rest and blame absolutely everyone for it when there is one easy straight forward culprit or answer.

    Just leaaaave it! pleeaaase! we dont need more reminding

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    thetoastking Male 18-29
    625 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 8:51 am
    snooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *DEATH*
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    PurdueU BenZ Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 9:31 am
    vana129...this is not where your tuition money goes. The person/people who did this are probably graduate students, which means that they are probably using some kind of grant money from some government agency or something. Engineers especially get millions to work with, just because their projects are so expensive.

    And it probably cost a lot to get this project done, but once again, none of your tuition money in play...

    Also, I think the reason to do this is not to prove or disprove anything about 9/11, the whole point is to demonstrate that it is possible to accurately simulate an event using certain software and data. It is just a demonstration. Maybe this can be used in the military to simulate the effects of bombs, or used in the FBI/Law Enforcement to simulate crime scenes or accidents.

    The bottom line is, someone thought this would be useful, and paid money to get it done.

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    Lupine Female 13-17
    455 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 10:22 am
    "9/11 in america is what Diana is to england as people just wont give it a rest and blame absolutely everyone for it when there is one easy straight forward culprit or answer."

    I hope it`s not that bad in the US- over here we have to
    put up with a Diana story just about every month,
    not always about her earth but still very
    annoying. I personaally think a time-travler from
    the future killed her so there wouldn`t be a
    conspiracy theory in the future but it failed.

    But I digress, simulations can be helpful in
    certain circumstances and I have no idea whether 9/11 was caused by planes OR bombs.

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    Lupine Female 13-17
    455 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 10:22 am
    P.S stretching out the screen is incredibly annoying.
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
    970 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 10:35 am
    yeah that sucks
    lets slap the toas king
    *slap*
    i dont know what to believe
  33. Profile photo of tgirl149
    tgirl149 Female 13-17
    525 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 10:43 am
    hm, i fell asleep
  34. Profile photo of audiogel
    audiogel Male 13-17
    9 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 10:48 am
    That was just trying to sell the software
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    larajunky Female 40-49
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    June 23, 2007 at 10:50 am
    This recreation brought tears to my eyes. It is an event in US history that will forever be remembered. But I do think that having this recreation just opened up old wounds. Why did we NEED to see that? No matter how you slice it, the planes themselves were bombs and they killed a lot of innocent people.
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    nicole_xo Female 13-17
    2552 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 11:13 am
    Wtf? It all looked the same.
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    JAK-STEEL Male 13-17
    1364 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 11:50 am
    that guys voice was annoying which made the video bad
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    maples Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 11:51 am
    state of the art visualization blah ba de blah blah blah SHUTT UPP.

    I DONT GIVE.

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    Aramil Male 18-29
    315 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 12:17 pm
    "I DONT GIVE."
    The events of 9/11 caused the deaths of 3000+ people durring and after. They initaited a war that has killed more than 50,000 civilans, not to mention combatants simply fighting for their country, on both the sides of the CotW and the ME forces. You "DONT GIVE."? Go drat yourself.
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    ConverseUK Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 12:54 pm
    I like how they broke it down so we could see each element at a time.

    I wouldn`t say it`s freakishly hard to do, but it must have taken time getting all the coding and math perfect.

    And by the way, they`re not trying to prove anything. You don`t play Flight Sim to learn to fly a real plane, it`s to get a SIMULATION.

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    Legion5 Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 1:33 pm
    Ummm this basically proves the government wasn`t involved and that there is no conspiracy. Also the graphics are good the textures and artists merely suck.

    It`s like using 1000$ brushes to paint a crayon picture, so it`s ok but not designed to be visual. It`s designed to prove conspiracy theorists are idiots.

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    Legion5 Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 1:34 pm
    "And I totally think bombs were involved. It`s not a conspiracy. It`s a possibility..."

    ^ here`s an example of one of those morons we are trying to deal with now. I`m surprised no one noticed.

    Anyway cheers guys, take it easy.

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    radiken Male 13-17
    12 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:00 pm
    Forgive and forget, right?
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    ARC123 Female 13-17
    269 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:00 pm
    RyanF701 i think we should hit the conspirators with heavy objects! I don`t think they did it, but they still deserve to get hit!

    (p.s. there`s no 9/11 conspiracy, so quit being dumb)

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    JAXLEY Male 18-29
    988 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:01 pm
    i doubt the hole was that neat, creating a plane-shaped hole? no, it`s supposed to be a simulation, not a cartoon.
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    runeguy37 Male 13-17
    121 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:06 pm
    The point of this video is not the collision itself but is the power of the program that was used to create this animation. The fact that they used September 11th is inconsequential.
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    chikoori Female 18-29
    1012 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 2:29 pm
    Reality check, Aramil.

    The terrorists who caused the 9/11 events did not initiate the `war` in Iraq, nor did they have anything to do with Hussein at all.

    And btw, according to research at Johns Hopkins, it`s more like 650,000 civilians killed, not 50,000

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 3:20 pm
    i just dont care at all...
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    Emoberry Female 18-29
    29 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 4:08 pm
    i agree with zirak, "why did this even need to be made". plus after about 20 sec. of that guys voice i couldn`t take it anymore >.<
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    LugNut33 Male 18-29
    79 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 4:17 pm
    SHOPPEd
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    maneaterx3 Female 13-17
    488 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 5:22 pm
    lol LugNut
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    shizzaster Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 5:41 pm
    "This recreation brought tears to my eyes.
    It is an event in US history that will forever be remembered. But I do think that having this recreation just opened up old wounds.
    Why did we NEED to see that?
    No matter how you slice it, the planes themselves were bombs and they killed a lot of innocent people."

    You don`t NEED to see it. if you REALLY don`t want to see it then don`t click on the godamned link and save yourself the tears.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 6:08 pm
    Where are the falling bodies?
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    MapleFr3ak Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 6:25 pm
    Too much explanation. So boring.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 7:00 pm
    bodies would further demonstrate the rendering power of whatever program this is... you know, rag doll effect, etc. etc.

    I wish I could get my hands on it.

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    Scaryann Female 18-29
    7 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    That was the crappiest infomercial for a Physics Engine ever.

    What?

    What`s that you say?

    It was supposed to teach me about what happened in the towers?

    FAILURE.

    Less masturbatory talk about CG and more information on why what happened did, please!

    (The conspiracy nuts look better all the time.)

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    Aqausixio Female 18-29
    1397 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 9:36 pm
    "This recreation brought tears to my eyes.
    It is an event in US history that will forever be remembered. But I do think that having this recreation just opened up old wounds.
    Why did we NEED to see that?
    No matter how you slice it, the planes themselves were bombs and they killed a lot of innocent people."

    Way to jump on the drama train. Douche.

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    Aqausixio Female 18-29
    1397 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 9:37 pm
    NEWS FLASH: nobody gives a f*ck about this anymore (and nobody probably did in the first place).
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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 9:46 pm
    Therotical, you say? I have to believe you then.

    `(and nobody probably did in the first place)`

    What a stupid thing to type. I could slam my dick into the keyboard and make a series of letters that makes more sense than that.

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    psychoman364 Male 18-29
    372 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 9:50 pm
    On 6/23/2007 9:42:40 PM necromorph wrote: amazing how aluminium manages to pass straight through the steel supports effeortlessly isn`t it. in all my years as a therotical physicist at OX i`ve never heard such poo!

    Well the aluminum was moving at several hundred miles an hour. Surely you`ve heard the stories of hurricanes, where hot dogs and pencils shoot through solid walls? And that`s not even approaching 200mph. Besides, you a theoretical physicist? Not a fu*ken chance.

    In short, this was a nice and informative little video. I never realized how the fuel moved like that.

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    neojester12 Male 18-29
    141 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 9:55 pm
    Aramil.........your horse is very tall.
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    ADRUNKHOBO Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 10:06 pm
    You don`t really need to be a theoretical physicist to understand this, I have only done physics 20 and I understood most of this ... is not really complicated concept)
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    Aqausixio Female 18-29
    1397 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 10:26 pm
    Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:46:30 PM
    Therotical, you say? I have to believe you then.

    `(and nobody probably did in the first place)`

    What a stupid thing to type. I could slam my dick into the keyboard and make a series of letters that makes more sense than that. "

    Silly you, I meant no one outside of the U.S.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
    902 posts
    June 23, 2007 at 10:30 pm
    Oh. Carry on, then.
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    celticzaida Female 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 10:40 pm
    "Silly you, I meant no one outside of the U.S."

    I care about things that happen outside of my own country. Deaths are deaths, no matter where they happen.
    I don`t see how patriotism causes you to lack compassion.

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    Damngaijins Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 10:41 pm
    meh, that almost made me go to sleep, course, i have been drinking!!:)
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    celticzaida Female 13-17
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    June 23, 2007 at 10:42 pm
    Oh, and yeah, the whole video was just to show off the program. The 9/11 part was only to make you want to watch.
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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2007 at 11:11 pm
    I get the feeling that it`s aqausixio`s "time of the month," if y`know what I mean.
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    Saturnia107 Female 18-29
    367 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 2:01 am
    I`m glad I`m not the only Purdue student who wastes time on this website :)

    Our school is so obsessed with engineering that it`s not really surprising they wasted time doing something like this....

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    PurdueU BenZ Male 18-29
    72 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 4:08 am
    aren`t we all just bored Saturnia? and you`re right, we are a little too obsessed with our Engineering...
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    scar104 Male 13-17
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    June 24, 2007 at 11:19 am
    RyanF701, Hellz yeah.
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    Ratdog993 Female 18-29
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    June 24, 2007 at 12:41 pm
    What was the point of this?
  73. Profile photo of DeadlyLegion
    DeadlyLegion Male 18-29
    452 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 1:04 pm
    they should`ve used the HL2 engine
  74. Profile photo of mystreT
    mystreT Male 30-39
    333 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 1:45 pm
    Aqausixio, you don`t care about this? Well this event has led to the War on Terror which has cost YOUR country over $20 billion and several deaths. Ask the families of your countrymen who have died, see if they care.
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    eleutherarch Female 13-17
    1003 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 3:23 pm
    I don`t want to be reminded of that terrible event.
    It happened and hopefully something similar won`t happen again.
    Stop going on about it.
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    eleutherarch Female 13-17
    1003 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 3:26 pm
    "I get the feeling that it`s aqausixio`s "time of the month," if y`know what I mean."

    Either that or she`s just in a bad mood.

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    Aqausixio Female 18-29
    1397 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 3:52 pm
    Its true I was having a bad day.
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    citruspinman Male 70 & Over
    169 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 7:38 pm
    i hate people that think WTC was planned, i want to hang them with TEH FEIRY ROPES!!!
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    primetime101 Male 13-17
    143 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 8:55 pm
    Ok first It was not a guys voice it was a computer program i`ve used it. Its fun when you put interesting words in the computer not the blah blah blah they had.

    "9/11 in america is what Diana is to england as people just wont give it a rest and blame absolutely everyone for it when there is one easy straight forward culprit or answer."

    so you`re saying that 9/11 was caused by the media?

    MystreT said

    "Aqausixio, you don`t care about this? Well this event has led to the War on Terror which has cost YOUR country over $20 billion and several deaths. Ask the families of your countrymen who have died, see if they care."

    When will people find out that war is good for the economy. You have to build factories to build weapons to send them to the soldiers and then you have to hire people etc. And if this event didn`t happen another one would have. Ex:Madrid bombings

    And Aramil said that it caused 3000 deaths. 1 death is a tragedy, 3000 is a statistic

  80. Profile photo of 23scadu
    23scadu Male 18-29
    274 posts
    June 24, 2007 at 11:57 pm
    WHY DOES IT MATTER!?! it already happend, what are we going to do? go back in time and watch it again to see if the big-ass table was right?
  81. Profile photo of Aqausixio
    Aqausixio Female 18-29
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    June 25, 2007 at 3:40 am
    "And Aramil said that it caused 3000 deaths. 1 death is a tragedy, 3000 is a statistic"

    Oh well that makes it all Okay, thank you Stalin.

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    AFTERSHOCK Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2007 at 7:44 pm
    PRETTY COMPLICATED SH`T! BADASS!
  83. Profile photo of Axium
    Axium Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2007 at 1:08 am
    I don`t know whether anyone told him or not, but there were 2 planes, and 2 buildings :-o
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2007 at 2:19 pm
    not even going to get started on the dumb people here that actually have the nerve to say that the buildings bottom floors wouldve been completely destroyed the video showed the main supports being damaged but not the ones that werent directly hit by the plane
    and people still think that a plane alone knocked down every single story of the building anyone that doesnt even question it is a jackass
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
    104 posts
    June 26, 2007 at 2:26 pm
    primetime your an incosiderate I am a pretty pretty little girl if it was you or your son at war it wouldnt be a statistic thats why the country is going to poo becuase fools like you think that because your not in the war literally then its not your war.. honestly the media and everything has put a complex in peoples head that the more money or lack of money you have put you in different classes until you realize that those soldiers prime time are you then our country will continue to fall and 23scadu it drating matters because if your child was out in iraq like 2 of my relatives you and them would want to know if your fighting in something just and if bush did start this and condoned the attacks i would want him jailed for the remainder of his life. and i know many people agree with that.(which in my heart and several other people also think that bush and other political figures started this)
  86. Profile photo of ddr_coke21
    ddr_coke21 Male 13-17
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    June 27, 2007 at 1:45 am
    9/11 was the government.
    Period.
  87. Profile photo of Saturnia107
    Saturnia107 Female 18-29
    367 posts
    June 28, 2007 at 2:34 am
    This explains why it was created
    Here
  88. Profile photo of mystreT
    mystreT Male 30-39
    333 posts
    June 28, 2007 at 2:31 pm
    Primetime 101....how did you response even come close to addressing what I said to Aqausixio? I hate to burst your bubble, but I think everyone already knows war is good for business. I simply suggested to Aqausixio that 9/11 affected her country as well as ours. And lastly, if 9/11 didn`t happen and Madrid or London subway bombing did happen, I don`t think the US would be in Iraq right now. We`re in Iraq because Bush used 9/11 as a pretext for invasion so we would have a more secure access to the oil. Without an attack on our own soil, he would have not pulled the wool over some many American`s eyes about iraq. Peak Oil has either already happened or is about to and the industrialized world is going to take what`s left. It`s not right or moral but it just is.
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    llamaseacow Male 13-17
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    October 16, 2007 at 6:37 am
    i thought this would be a dramatic simulation like on Air Crash Investigation or some tv show like that

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