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Here is the funny part. We know less about the atom then we do about biology itself. Evolution is the best understood scientific theory (aka scientific fact) on this planet. To call it just a theory is to say that the theory of gravity is up for debate...it`s just not.
Now here is the kicker: Evolution is highly supported, there are no known anomalies to suggest an outdated paradigm, and there has not been and is not likely to ever be a single case of empiracle refutation.
As for your contradiction, how about the descent of Jesus from the patrilineage of David to warrant his Messiah status when he is also the son of some indo-european sky father deity? Seems contradictory to me having no father (Luke 1:26-38 and Joseph being in the house of David (Luke 3:21-38), furthermore both the gospel of Mark (1:1-16),the gospel of Luke, and Chronicles (3:10-19) give different geneologies. How`s that for contradiction?
I take it you have not read Kuhn`s the Structure of Scientific Revolutions any of Popper`s lectures or even Hawkings. I would even bet that you have zero to little experience with epistemology or inclanation to do so. If I were you I would look at the specialist literature and not take what appears to be the Oxford Dictionary`s definition of "theory" to be the absolute criterion to base all claims of its usage on.
In science there is this thing called empirical support with which theories and paradigms are gauged. Evolution by natural selection is highly supported it is as close to "truth" as one can get into science. Meaning that in science one does not prove but instead one supports or refutes. Hawkings pointed out that it takes but one instance of repeatable and logical refutation to kill a theory. Whereas, Kuhn (who is regarded by many as the proper authority on the subject)instead viewed paradigmatic shift (paradigms are essentially theori
Are you serious? You just said that to a 16 year old! Grow some body hair, pal, seems you need to grow up.
A great tactic atheists here are using is completely over-simplifying the existance of a higher power, thus making it sound ridiculous.
It seems the atheists here know very little about the Bible and also have distorted ideas of what`s in the Bible. The Bible wasn`t written by a man, it was written by many men and yet there are no contradictions.
I`m yet to see someone contradict anyone passage in the Bible.
Let`s not forget there is contraversy over the translation of the Bible and many Christians differ greatly in their beliefs of the Bible.
"1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena"
Propositions... Phenomena... 2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact."
Proposed... and best of all CONJECTURAL, people!
Evolution is not a fact, it`s a theory. Also, evolution doesn`t negate that existance of a higher power because the Bible doesn`t state that God clicked his fingers and the Earth was created. Humans weren`t created out of nothing. There`s nothing in the Bible to suggest the Earth is only 10`000 years old either.
I suggest you read the "Blind Watchmaker," by Richard Dawkins (it`s a good read), or "Origin of Species," by Charles Darwin. They are both good reads...they would be great summer books. If you read those books, I am sure you will be able to outwit 95% of the people you know when it comes to evolutionary biology, or biology in general.
So good-luck. I hope you do the right thing.
We have all proven you wrong, because you haven`t studied the facts. I know more about the bible than you do, and far more about evolution than you do. I can see you are moderately intelligent, as am I. The only difference here is that I looked at the facts, and you haven`t. When you do, you will be just as enlightened as others are; until then, you will be a fool.
Besides, that`s exactly what SPrinkZ said.
translation: lets stop as i am about to cry
[quote]On 6/11/2007 11:40:51 PM R_U_Kidding wrote: chickenman: "There`s absolutely no way you can prove that God doesn`t exist." True. And there`s also absolutely no way YOU can prove that God DOES exist. So I guess we`re even.[/quote]Deal ;-)
Let`s stop arguing. I`m sick of this.
True. And there`s also absolutely no way YOU can prove that God DOES exist. So I guess we`re even.
From,Knoxer, MA Anthropology 2007a concerned biological anthroplogist
This argument would not occur in any other industrialized country. You members of the lumpenproletariat are responsible for brain drai
If there was no creationism, there would be noone for creationists to argue against. Durr.
Yes, I have heard of a holy war. I mentioned the crusades, retard. I never said Hitler was aryan, I meant that he believed in a master race, and wanted to kill jewish people.
Hmm... Hitler was non-religious. He started that war. Yes, that is, WORLD WAR II. The biggest war to ever descend upon Europe and the Pacific Ocean. The Crusades are trifles compared to that.
Have you ever heard of a species? When an animal becomes "Fully Homo Sapien", they can no longer breed with those that came before it. Adam and Eve?
and now to explain the basic concencus of my arguement ; if there was no religion, no judaism, there would have been no jews to hitler to concentrate his hatred on. (i would like to clarify at this point that i am NOT blaming the jewish for the holocaust on the basis of them being jewish)
and yes, i know hitler had no religion. he realized the flaws in it. in this manner he atleast had some sanity.
and this arguement, if there was no religion, who would there be to argue against. NO-ONE, and hence no arguement.
and war.. nearly all war is based on religeous thought and between countries that have opposing religious beliefs. never heard of a "holy war?" (and u realy should, being a boy of faith and the "holy book")
and once again. the term "fully become Homo Sapiens" is sientifically and evoluti
Oh dear god. You think I don`t know this already? You know exactly what I meant. I never said a human popped out of a chimp, I said that the first two people to fully become Homo Sapiens.
War? Give me an example (besides the crusades, which was hundreds of years ago). If you say muslim terrorists, you are once again an idiot. The muslim belief that terrorists profess is extremely corrupted, bent to serve the needs of the terrorist leaders to hate freedom.
This argument here? Started by evolutionists. You have to be the most gullible person in the world to think Kingdante was serious. Honestly, how stupid do you have to be?
I already conceded this argument on the grounds of lacking knowledge, yet you wish to continue it. Just because SPrinkZ had success arguing with me, does not mean you will, since you are obviously his intellectual lesser. Come back with a grammar book and spell check.
and now, "Adam and Eve could be the first two people to evolve to Homo Sapiens" oh deary deary me, are u kidding. evolution dosnt just happen in one generation like that, with an ape-like animal just giving birth to a human. it is a very slow proscess that usually occours when 2 groups of the same species are split up, and change differently cope with different surroundings.
and now, point number 3 of mine: "But with all the good religion does in this world"... ... please please please give me an example, because all i can think of is war, war, discrimination, this argument right here happening on the batttle field that is i-am-bored.com. oh yeah and MASS GENOCIDE!
(Adam and Eve could be the first two people to evolve to Homo Sapiens? W/e, I`m just trying to propose a possible explanation)
I too am getting tired of this debate. But with all the good religion does in this world, why do we feel the need to get rid of it?
I never said I was a prodigy, I said there were prodigies in this world. You attacking my age (and getting it wrong, when it`s perfectly viewable in my profile) shows your immaturity, despite your age.
I admit, the only Evolutionary science I know of was covered in Biology and AP Biology, so my knowledge is scarce. But I think we should all believe what we want to believe. I was just defending my right to say it, and my right believe in it. I`m sure if I got somebody else who is much further educated in both Evolutionary Theory and Religion, and believes in Religion, you would have a much tougher time. As it is, I`m a relative young`n in faith, and I
You believe in a lot of pseudoscience, because it makes you feel better, not because it`s true. You have a lot of growing up and learning to do. You`re obviously watching the world with rose-colored glasses, and I find that I care about this `debate` less and less. I`ve won it, and you just haven`t. There is no evidence for your argument--and evolution ISN`T a house of cards; Creationism is.
You`re a moron. If I respond to this, it will only prove you don`t understand natural selection or evolution.
Humans are not the `ultimate` evolutionary thing. In fact, we are JUST as advanced as our cousins in the great ape family. We just evolved a different way. Also, Cats do have some primitive problem solving skills. They are predators after all.
Still, you do not understand evolution at all, and often confuse it with abiogenesis, and I am getting tired of listening to you ramble about your pseudoscientific nonsense. Good-day.
And this goes on and on until we get our human eye. This is very simple stuff. Now if you said the Flagellum`s motor, I`d really have laughed at you, since you can take away 80% of its working parts, and it still functions.
Personal incredulity is a bad argument. The creation of the eye is a ridiculously simple thing to explain.
1st. We have a light sensitive cell. This cell cannot tell the direction of the light, but it can tell if it`s night or day roughly, and if anything else is in the way. This aids in survival.
2nd. The light sensitive cell begins to dip into the small organism, and now it can tell the direction of the light. This is a great thing, because now it can avoid its predators a little better.
3rd. The pit gets even deeper, and now it has an IDEA of what is around it, and thus will aid further in survival.
If it`s a metaphorical story...then so is Adam and Eve. If that`s metaphorical and not literal, then why are we here? What `sin` have we committed if we evolved for a little over 3 billion years?
"I`m 16, dick, a WHOLE THREE YEARS YOUNGER THAN YOU? Oh noes!!1!! I must be an idiot! You college students are all the same. You know "EVERYTHING". I`m sure there are 13-year olds that are much smarter than you or me. Ever heard of a child prodigy?"
I`m 20. You`re not a prodigy, because you already are a complete moron. I just provided why micro-biology helps the argument for evolution, and you just side-step it because you`re a complete tool.
Ok, so predators are a bit smarter than their prey. That doesn`t explain how primates start eating meat, and after awhile.. Hyoomons!
Why don`t Lions have creative thinking? How about advanced problem solving? Emotions besides the instinctual protect-my-young or the animal that shares the most of my genes (Animals are shown to help those that have the most genes in common with them.. sibling instead of cousin, child instead of sibling). Lions and other predators have been eating meat for much longer than any primate has.
I`m 16, dick, a WHOLE THREE YEARS YOUNGER THAN YOU? Oh noes!!1!! I must be an idiot! You college students are all the same. You know "EVERYTHING". I`m sure there are 13-year olds that are much smarter than you or me. Ever heard of a child prodigy?
Besides, there is evidence of God`s hand in the creation of humans/animals. Ever heard of the eye? How incredibly complex it is? How some scientists admit they have no explanation for how the eye came to be? Do you want to look up Irreducible Complexity for me? And there is no way to observe Macroevolution, it can
[email protected] Have you ever heard of MICRO-EVOLUTION?
Oh noes! I win again! Micro-evolution is a proven fact, and is one example of OBSERVABLE EVOLUTION. Oh noes! You fail again!
Also, you`re what...13? You don`t understand anything you are talking about. Also, if you haven`t noticed, predators are MUCH smarter than their prey. You also must have 0 understanding about evolution because all you do is present false dichotomies about it. Evolution is very complex, and all I was doing was explaining how humans have evolved in some manners.
But, you come in here with your stupidity and try to make me look stupid, and instead made yourself look more ignorant than I thought possible. Your argument has been raped. Go pick up a book, moron.
Tell me this. Why did SPrinkZ say that "DNA" and "microbiology" are proof of Evolution? I can understand Genetics, which is affected by DNA, but a long string of nucleotides is proof enough of Evolution to believe in it? What about Microbiology... Can you look that up for me? Right. It`s the study of Microorganisms. Nothing to do with evolution. Thanks, SPrinkZ, you proved to me how much of an idiot you are!
Rape my argument? Don`t give yourself so much credit.
Bekll, please, please just read what the man says before you go agreeing with him. It makes you look a lot dumber than you probably are.
What about all the animals that were carnivores for much, much longer than primates? Why don`t they have a high intelligence? Honestly man, don`t be an idiot.
You used ironic wrong. Kingdante was being SARCASTIC.
Scientists don`t have the power/knowledge that a god would have. There`s absolutely no way you can prove that God doesn`t exist.
Science can never be 100% Right.
No. Do Theists have to be that obnoxious when they slam MY beliefs?
This is one of my fav simpsons intros, its just so epic :-D
Evolution is a theory. It`s one the majority of science academia agree on, but it`s a theory.
I was more disgusted by how hard creationists/religious people were slammed so hard in this thread even before they ever dared to voice their opinion. This is not a scientific forum, this is a place where we should all be entitled to state what we think without being bitch-slapped for it based purely on the fact that you disagree or have a different belief.
I for one agree with evolution, and disagree with the idea that creationism is up for scientific debate, because it is not in fact scientific. Still, show some class, please, and stop making my team look like a bunch of jerks.
No, he says "Cooool!" Just FYI.
Anyhow, my fave part of THIS clip is the one-celled Homers all saying "D`oh!" when they split.
Evolution: Complexity from simplicty.God: Complexity from complexity. (E.g., God willed himself into existence; God always existed.)
THEY DON`T GO TOGETHER!
you cant prove it. thats why its debateable. you can prove science, science is hardcore fact/evidence.
Funny clip BTW Saw it in Science Class allot
maelstroms alien argument is just as viable as religion or evolution (but it seems we are in concensius that evolution happened, just how it all started). isnt that what they said in the hitch hiker`s guide to the galaxy? that the earth was created to answer the greatest question in the universe? yeah it sounds funny and rediculus, but so do you religion friends if you stepped back and looked at yourselves once. i used to be hardcore catholic and when i think back on my beliefs i have to laugh. when i sneeze and someone says "god bless you" i start laughing at them.
expand your minds and then you can carry more intelligent arguments, but im not listening as long as you believe in a
whats even funnier to me is that when something good happens, it HAD to be god or a higher being, but when something bad happens it HAD to be the devil`s hand....hmmmm what if it was really the other way around, what if the "devil" was the one causing good things to happen to you to spoil you, while "god" was on the other end trying to humble you?
Now I`m happy.
^ Agrees with everything SPrinkZ said.
Don`t be so utterly stupid. You are right. He is definitely wrong. There is not one shred of evidence what so ever for a God in this universe. Personal incredulity, argument from design, and other logical fallacies will just NOT do. Do not surrender what you know is absolutely true to someone because you feel it is unethical to denounce stupidity and unscientific think
1) Evolution does not account for the creation of the first organisms. That would fall under abiogenesis.
2) Evolution is not "possible", it is an observed, irrefutable axiom, with empirical evidence to support it. Fossil records, genetics, dna, micro-biology, etc. These all support evolution without contradiction. Scientific theories are thrown away or reformed if contradicting information comes into view, and so far evolution has been tried again and again for 150 years, and so far, nothing.
It is not plausible that God intervened. It`s not even worth considering because evolution and natural selection explain how humans could have come to be. There are simple reasons. There are things that we contain in our bodies that are from times when our ancestors ate mainly a vegetable and plant diet. That`s why we have wisdom teeth, and the reason they are so weak, is because natural selection did not favor those with them, because we eventually became predators and ate meat. Meat causes larger brains, and more intelligence, thus we became more intelligent. This explanation is a very small one. But read up on e
I say the creationists started this debate, unless kingdante87 was only being ironic. But that`s neither here nor there.Personally, I find the theory of evolution easier to swallow simply because it`s actually SCIENTIFIC. Creationist theory breaks numerous (if not all) scientific laws - not suggestions, not guidelines, LAWS. Laws that are proven and re-proven in laboratories every day. How anybody could believe that everything just suddenly sprang into existence barely 10,000 years ago...frankly, it`s unreal.
Theory: 2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
The theory of evolution presents a possible explanation for how we got here, not how evolution happened. Natural Selection explains how evolution happened. For all intents and purposes, Creationism is a theory as well as Evolution... And I do not "believe" we were created, I KNOW we were created... It`s a simple matter of faith. You have faith in Evolution, I have faith in God.
We evolved along side apes etc. There`s a `missing link` between the two species, from which both species evolved but down different evolutionary paths.We share 90% DNA with dogs because humans and dogs are mamalian and our cells are quite similar. FFS *pig* organs can be used in humans, mouse tissue can be used to grow human body parts.. Mamals are similar genetically.
That doesn`t mean we evolved FROM them.
<Sticks fingers in ears and closes eyes> LALALA NOT LISTENING TO YOUR REPLY TO MY COMMENT LALALA
You: I cannot understand how that could have happened...so it must not have happened.
Same logic but a different person: I cannot understand how I am a person...thus I must not be a person.
You`re just stupid...face it man. Go pick up a book and do us all a favor and shut the hell up. Creationism is not a theory. Evolution is a SCIENTIFIC THEORY.
Scientific theories as I stated, explain the facts. Evolution did happen. We`re just trying to explain how it happened. You won`t find any disagreement on that in the scientific community.
Very simple science. You need to read a book.
Even Pope John Paul II agreed with the Big Bang, so yeah...
Let people believe what they believe. If you`re looking for the satisfaction of changing other peoples` opinions to coincide with your own, then your beliefs are for the wrong reasons anyway and you should be ashamed. In other words, if you`re not believing in something for yourself, but for something to argue, then why the hell are you believing in it at all?
And nobody try to tell me that the reason you`re preaching your beliefs isn`t so that you can feel some kind of sick satisfaction for yourself.
I never understood why people don`t find enough worth in simply believing what they believe. Instead, they feel the need to compensate for what is lacking in simple belief by convincing others that "I`m right and you`re wrong".
That said, it`s a damn Simpsons clip! Just watch and do/don`t enjoy. Lets leave our feelings about the SUBJECT MATTER out of it.
One day, a bunch of aliens decided that they wanted to create a new race in the Universe. They found the planet Earth and decided to start there. They began by making fish and birds and plants, eventually stepping up their skills and creating things like elephants, whales, and even dinosaurs. However, dinosaurs weren`t that smart, so they threw a comet into the Earth to kill the dinosaurs and start over. Next, they tried monkeys, but were disturbed by the fact that they throw feces at each other. Finally, they created man, the most intelligent creature yet. Things looked good at first, but eventually the aliens started to realize that most humans were idiots. It was about this time when the U.S. government detected them and shot them out of orbit, causing them to crash into Roswell. In 2116, they will send reinforcements to wipe us from the face of the Universe.
Because you try to stifle religion? Seriously, how is creationism a flawed theory? You can debate someone who said "God snapped his fingers and Earth suddenly came into existence", but have you ever taken a step back to see just how plausible it actually is that Humans, as well as all life on Earth, was created by *SOMETHING*?
Evolution is a horrible, poorly thought out theory, yet it is spoken of as if it were fact. Yes, we all evolved from some bacteria that was magically created in the ocean. It is like coming up with a theory behind the advancement of technology that ignores the existence of humans.
Scientists discredit other scientists that don`t believe in evolution. How hard is it to believe that maybe something created us and put us here? Hell, it could be aliens, it is still more plausible than coincidental evolution.
Anyway, this was pretty good coming from the new episodes.. impressive, at least, if not too funny. =P Honestly, I don`t care that their animation quality is top-notch now - I just want the good jokes and satires back! x3
I still like Ms. Garrison`s explanation, though.
on a more serious note -i don`t see why you religous types can`t respect us non-religious types like we do to you it`s a silly lil old video you moaning isn`t gona change the way millions of atheists feel...
I just think it`s sad how people actually think that if you`re an atheist you`re smart and if you`re a Christian you`re an idiot.
Get real, people, pretend to be smart somewhere else.
Am I the only one who notices how much of an idiot kingdante seems to be?
I think some people here truly believe that science negates Christianity. Newsflash people: Evolution is a theory and even some Christians agree with certain aspects of it.
Yes, there were humanoid creatures on the Earth before man but they were not homo sapiens they were homo neanderthalensis.
People say that because monkeys share 98 or 99% of our DNA we must have evolved from them! What about the in excess of 90% of DNA we share with dogs. Did we evolve from them?
Before someone brings up dinosaurs, they`re mentioned in the Bible. Ever heard of the Leviathan or the "Terrible Lizards"? Let`s not forget the fact that "Dinosaur" is a word coined by the English palaentologist Richard Owen and the word actually means "
And you morons I think KingDante was being sarcastic (at least I hope so).
You know, they have a word for believing in something that`s not true, its called ignorance
But I reckon religious or not, this was still entertaining. Homer`s sigh at the end made this awesome.
i love it!
cannot wait for the movie in july!