Mr. Deity

Submitted by: iansquall 10 years ago in Funny

A light-hearted parody on creationism. There are more episodes as well for those interested.
There are 196 comments:
Male 43
I agree, God may exist, I don`t know. Either way, people who believe seem happy so good for them. It gives them hope that there is something good protecting them when all seems hopeless. Some people like that feeling and some people need it. Who am I to tell them they are wrong or write. I don`t know what I believe.

Also, why did the video Mr. Deity inspire this? I didn`t read all the comments but barely anyone said anything about the video. I thought was funny so there!

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Male 148
And maddog, stop stirring up s h i t and respect
people`s belives.

If people belive in god, god exists to them
if people don`t, god does not.

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Male 148
The celine dion part was funny.
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Male 98
Anyway, just to let you know, I found this kinda funny. I actually like it, even though I`m a Christian. I was just defending my beliefs, so suck it.
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Male 98
Non-nice individuals? Is this filter system designed by Hilary Clinton?
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Male 98
^ Really. Usually when something isn`t nothing it`s something. Well just according to common sense. All those things that everyone says are bad are God`s fault, they aren`t. He wanted people to have free will, unfortunetly some people decided to be non-nice individuals. There has to be good to be evil. And how fu cking boring would it be if our life was perfect? Life is a test. Bad things happen so our character can be judged. Atheists just give up all hope (like the pussies they are) and decide God doesn`t exist because they can`t handle life. Fu ck you all up the ass with a chainsaw, fuc kers.
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Male 994
Dude get spell check if you`re having trouble.

Oh and BTW the statement "God could be anything, but not nothing. Bitch." Doesn`t make any sense. Are you trying to imply because God can`t be nothing (says you) that he has to be something?

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Female 920
Mr. Deity sounds like MJ... 0_o
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Male 49
.......................look people ummm dont attack people for what they believe in, you guys need to stop being so condescending and just agree to disagree. i`m personally not religious but i dont call someone who is retarded, i doubt either of you guys will make the other person give up what they believed their whole life in a paragraph. Just thought i`d lay down my 2 chips on the table.
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Male 994
Lol-Things happen for a reason. Don`t say I`m not intellegent. That`s being stereotypical. You atheasts have less proof than we do. What created humans? Evoloution. What made Earth the big bang. What made the big bang? God.

Atheists have more logical proof (doesn`t boil down to god did it) Evolution is used to explain of humans are the current stage of improvement over time for our particular branch. Not the "creation" of man. Earth was made when the Solar System was formed, the Big Bang created the universe. And assuming already that`s God did it, is a Huge mistake.

How do you know Odin didn`t do it? Or Zeus?

and spelling tends to show how intelligent you are.

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Male 2,306
"Your not intelligent." - Maddog

Priceless irony.

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Male 3,369
Oh..and in hindsight, for the religious out there, please explain. Disease,genetic birth defects,war,famine,rape,murder...explain why your loving god allows a pedo to abduct, rape and kill a child. Explain why some nut job is allowed to walk freely and kill numerous innocents. This "God works in mysterious ways" answer is not an answer. Its a simple question. i just wish to know why the world we live in is so messed up.my point of view is...humans are fecked up! But where do all these acts fall withing a divine plan!
You either question the world/universe that surrounds you or you dont!
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Male 3,369
Exactly - But here is the part I love so much. Scientists are constantly trying to prove or disprove a theory...Its not one agreeing community, it`s a bunch of individuals doing whatever they choose to do.
I`ve never met anyone of a religious persuasion, trying to disprove their religion. I know there are people trying to prove their religion but your not going to find anyone who is religious activley trying to disprove their faith!

Anyway...for the last time..I`m not just talking about Christians, I`m talking about all religions.

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Male 756
Scientists have their theories...

Christians have their faith...

Imagine...

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Male 3,369
I dont think anyone give`s a sh*t what you think SPrinkZ because your own argument above makes it clear your as thick as 2 short planks. You go ahead and a say "Are you telling me that Hitler is only what the dictionary says he is" which is exactly what I`m not doing idiot boy! Your the one telling people who or what they are. Your not an authority, your not intelligent, your just a sad little troll with access to the internet! Now go away!
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Male 2,306
John Lennon is really not very good at writing music. If I want to get a meaning, I read things by Joyce Carol Oats, James Joyce, or perhaps Edgar Allan Poe.
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Male 2,306
Is that a joke? You are asking me to not think you are stupid, but you can`t spell intelligent, atheists, or evolution.

You are obviously a troll.

Maddog is also very stupid since he doesn`t know the difference between your and you`re.

Also, the dictionary is not the authority on concepts. Nouns have more definitions than the dictionary provide.

Are you telling me that Hitler is only what the dictionary says he is? I mean seriously. Stop being a dumb a.ss.

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Male 3,369
Infact..just to add to that...I`d like to add that John Lennon is one of the few men that has ever made me think about my place in the universe, and here is why!
Imagine there`s no heaven
It`s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there`s no countries
It isn`t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I`m a dreamer
But I`m not the only one
I hope someday you`ll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I`m a dreamer
But I`m not the only one
I hope someday you`ll join us
And the world will live as one

That song makes more sense than anything else to me. I only hope that one day we get there... Lets see where you want humanity to go

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Male 3,369
SPrinkZ.
Your blatently a self opinionated a-hole who thinks he knows everything. I suggest before you speak on someone else`s behalf again you check the dictonary!

a·the·ist – a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

ag·nos·tic - One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

So where exactly does it state an atheist can not belive in life after death huh?

As for the whole world is round! Well I suggest you re-view your facts. The populace at large belived the world was flat. A few had "theorised" it was round but had been unable to prove it at the time.

Next time you call some one a moron make sure you dont end up looking like it! The phrase TROLL blatently applies to you!


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Male 994
I thought the Norsemen were the first to reach America.

But we all really know the native americans were there first, before the Europeans came.

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Male 2,306
Maddog, your wife is an agnostic with a leaning toward the supernatural. You are an atheist.
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Male 2,306
Maddog...you are a moron.

We knew the earth was round at around the 1st century A.D. The Greeks had figured that out by observing a lunar eclipse. Christopher Columbus KNEW there was land out to the west, because the AFRICANS were trading with the South Americans. The Africans were the first ones to cross the Atlantic and visit the New World.

But...they never tell you that stuff, huh?

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Male 3,369
I like that. I put a rational argument forward and it`s implied I secretly belive in God, simply because I try to use correct grammar, spelling and punctuation! Thats logic for you!
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Male 756
Maddog: Why would an "atheist" capitalize "God" each time in his discussion above? Unless.... hmmmmmm.
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Male 3,369
500 years ago, we thought the world was flat, 300 years ago we thought the earth was the center of the universe, 150 years ago, man would never fly, 100 years ago, man would never go to the moon, etc etc....20 years ago, biologists thought all life was dependant on sunlight till they found life 3 miles underwater living in the pitch black on thermal vents...
So..really (and this goes for both sides) we know NOTHING..We mostly live inside our own heads, in the reality we make. All you have to do is to open up your mind to new ideas..if you never test what your told, you`ll never learn the truth!

Just remember..If Christopher Columbus had listen to all the nay sayers, he certainly would not have found America!

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Male 3,369
each time!
Example..My wife and I are athesists. She belives in life after death, I`m unsure. She belive`s there is only one universe, I think there is a good possibility of multiverses..The list is endless. We wont know unless we try to find out though..will we!

One thing I do belive is, religion..or at least organised religion, is a hold over from the dark ages. thats not disputing God (even though I dont belive) thats just disputing the "taught as per bible" version of events and the amount of religions around. We, as a species have made leaps and bounds in discoverys in the past few hundered years. We only recently entered the technological age and we learn something new everyday. If you choose to accept we know little about the universe or where we came from, then your more open to new ideas and new discoveries. Both sides want proof the other is right, neither have it or may never have it..But, read your bibles..It`s written by man, not God and it dosnt add up!

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Male 3,369
Quoted from Wiki
"The theory of evolution by natural selection was first put forth in detail in Charles Darwin`s 1859 book On the Origin of Species. In the 1930s, Darwinian natural selection was combined with Mendelian inheritance to form the modern evolutionary synthesis.[4] With its enormous explanatory and predictive power, this theory has become the central organizing principle of modern biology, providing a unifying explanation for the diversity of life on Earth"

Funny that. Biologists and the scientific community accept it. That includes those of a religious persuasion. Mostly!

Anyway...Lets clarify 1 thing. Atheists dont belive in God. Dosnt mean they dont belive in faries or anything else. Its not a religion.
There is only one underlying rule..NO BELIEF IN GOD.. Everything else is a moot point. The mis-information being thrown around in this thread is hilarious!
Seriously..as no 2 atheists will have the exact same beliefs your getting a diffrent argument

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Male 902
Theory
6 and 7
and I believe I made it clear that I was substituting his implied meaning with one more beneficial to my argument. But that whole post was full of assholishness, I admit.
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Male 22
I believe that Creationist do not want to embrace the possibility of non-exsistence after death, and Darwinist`s do not want to acknowledge the possibility of god. At least I don`t have to fling poo at others to express my point of view.
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Male 994
To tell you the truth Hylian you did butcher the meaning of a theory.

But hey i`m not gonna choose sides here.

Funny Link BTW

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Male 3,255
I`m a (insert belief), this makes me smarter and better than you. - Stupid and pointless.

drat IT! Lets all have some pie and watch a funny movie! - Best idea ever!

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Male 902
Not really a comeback, more ending this retarded conflict on a familiar note. He`ll come along in a minute and call me stupid once more, then the circle will be complete.
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Male 22
I love how HylianNinja has such a great comeback. I don`t usually comment, nor do I agree with SPrinkZ. But his stand makes SENSE!
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Male 902
Pussy.
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Male 2,306
It would have been worthwhile to discuss this with you, but you`re far too stupid to be bothered with. God is not something MORE than the universe. The universe is not something MORE than God; more is a human concept. I don`t think the universe has any concepts, and it especially does not care about how I feel about God, or flying spaghetti monsters.
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Male 2,306
I love how you say I am skewing things, but I am quoting sources. I guess everyone is in on this big conspiracy we call science!

Go get an education, kid. Come back when you completed college or something.

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Male 716
GREAT clip! GREAT clip!!
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Male 3,369
When did the lunatics take over the asylum?
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Male 902
So, in so many words, all that you say is right because you skew things your way, and to believe in something more is equatable to weakness of mind and character? Did I get it right?
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Male 2,306
Intangible: not tangible; incapable of being perceived by the sense of touch, as incorporeal or immaterial things; impalpable.

Concepts are intangible. God is a concept. God can be discussed and attacked, and people who believe in God are not subhuman, but are conditioned in such a way that they cannot think critically, or challenge their own beliefs, or ask for real answers.

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Male 2,306
I guess you think the theory of gravity is bullpoo too right? E=MC^2 must be bullpoo. Wait no it`s not! Hiroshima, Nagasaki are all proof of the equation of E=MC^2. So what is that? I guess the THEORY is true, and it WAS true before.

Evolution is actually the best scientific-theory we have. It`s even more solid than the atomic theory, or the theory of gravity. So you tell me. Why should anyone listen to you? You obviously are not even in college.

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Male 2,306
...a theory is a mathematical description, a logical explanation, a verified hypothesis, or a proven model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.
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Male 2,306
You are too stupid, and I hope you die a horrible horrible death by rape.

Anyway, here is the proper definition of a SCIENTIFIC-THEORY:

The word theory has a number of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.

In common usage, people often use the word theory to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements that would be true independently of what people think about them...

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Male 902
And since you can skew the meaning that words used by others imply:

Theory: An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

I can be as abrasive as you, f*ckhead. Your argument is dead if you look at it the right way.

Your calling everyone that believes in something higher a f*cking retard does not make you intelligent, it makes you an asshat. If I just read your posts in the wrong light, I apologize. But it does appear that you consider someone that puts stock in things you don`t agree with subhuman.

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Male 902
`Do you even understand what a theory is Hylian? Do you even understand the definition of intangible? `

Incapable of being realized or defined is the meaning I implied with that statement. In that, religion and faith destroy law or any other retarded example you are going to introduce.

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Male 4,546
Ok that last remark was uncalled for I take it back. I do think however that Atheists do apply a level of cynicism/skepticism to God that they do not apply to any other aspect of their lives.

When it comes to God, they become nihilists a lot of the time.

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Male 4,546
Atheists are the people who yell "Photoshop!" at every pic that gets put on here. ;)
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Male 91
people saying that there is no evidence that there is not a god, well thats just silly

you have to assume that something doesnt exist untill there is evidence that it does exist.

I myself have made super rocketboots which allow me to fly, go to outerspace and have an integreated toaster, do you belive me? no becausae you have no evidence.

or in the courtroom. `that man raped me` "well is there any evidence" `no but if you have faith in me can you believe what im saying?`

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Male 4,546
If you meet an American Man, and a Muslim Man. The Muslim is as likely to be a terrorist as the American is to be a:

A diabetic who has suffered from credit card fraud.
Someone who has tried acupuncture and has gallstones.
A tattooed insomniac.
Is an epileptic with a substance abuse problem.
At a bit of a stretch: A Rush Limbaugh Listener who is raising at least one child that is not his own unknowingly.
A homeless man who has faked an Orgasm at some point.
A smoker who has paid for sex, has an eating disorder, and believes in alien abduction.

Think how many nutjobs are in the US. (10`000 virgins in the US insured themselves against giving birth to the Messiah at the millenium ffs.)

Now consider that the population of the Muslim world is 4-5 times the size of that. That`s 5 times the number of nutjobs. Even if ~1% of them are crazy, that`s 1.5 million crazy people.

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Male 4,546
Arkabai: Pff. The Germans didn`t hate the Jews out of religion, it was race. Hitler specifically used the theory of evolution to explain why they should be wiped out, and whilst he claimed to be a Christian in public, in private he has described it as a "disease" that needed to be exterminated.

Atheism does count as a religion. Look up the definitions of religion, you will find about 6. 2 apply to Atheism, 3 to Bhuddism, and 5 to Christianity and Islam.

I.e. I can be called a religion, has the same effect as religion, the same elitism you find in any religion/ideal/political viewpoint. As well as the same "gosh if we were all just atheist/Muslim/Christian everything would be ok" talk that goes on.

Finally: "Some Muslims (which seems to many) hate `infidels`".

See my next post.

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Male 10
The humans didn`t evolved since one million years. Our civilization evolved, our technology.
Yet our brain is left behind in the cave.

Maybe we should start to change our DNA. Evolve ourselves. Make some kinda intelligent super race or something. That would be awesome XD

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Male 10
Religion is a production of the human mind. As long as humans stay the same, those things will always stay with us. War will always be there, Holocausts, and Murder won`t go away, all because humans always will be able to hate. Our sexual nature will always be the same - so rapists and child molesters won`t dissapear.

But the good side of our nature won`t be left behind either. And i`m happy with that. Yet I don`t really know what we should do about Religion. Is it good? Is it bad? I have experienced, that it brings more bad than good. Vikings believed in Valhalla so they tried to be strong warriors in order to get there. That resulted in much killing. Good? Romans hated the Christians. Germans hated the Jews, etc.. etc..
Good? Some muslims (which seems to many) hate "infidels", i.e. Christians. Good? You judge. If there would be no religion, people still would kill each other, i am sure. But maybe they would kill less? There would be less reasons to hate.Who knows.

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Male 10
Once again: Atheists do NOT BELIEVE. It`s not like I do NOT BELIEVE there is no god. In fact, I can rely on my experience as an intelligent being and ASSUME with a chance of 99.99999%(and maybe a lot higher), that there is no god. The same way I assume that there is no Zeus, no Thor, no Titans, there is no holy Frog riding purple clouds, and there are no fairies and no Santa Clause. Why don`t we all believe in them. You can`t PROVE, they don`t exist. The same way atheist do not try to PROVE there is no god. It`s out of discussion. The only thing discussable is WHY people believe. Why don`t you believe in the Santa Clause anymore? You did as kids, why not now? Because people told you, there is no Santa? Can you prove his nonexistence? You can`t. Can you rely on your experience and assume with a VERY high chance, that there is no Santa and people made him up? You can. The same way atheist do with religion.
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Male 1,265
stfu n00bs
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Female 122
High five starcrosst! You tell em!
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Male 54
Oh for the love of Jesse (watch the other ones if you don`t get it). Theists, you need to simply realize that you COULD be wrong. Atheists, the same goes for you. No one in this world can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that their beliefs are correct, or others are wrong. Maybe sometime in the future there will be proof. until then, everyone of you believes what you believe without proof.

Accept it.

Move on.

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Female 122
oops, meant to say "which ISN`T going to earn your side ay respect." I shouldn`t type stuff at 2 in the morning.
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Male 4,546
... at others world views to maintain your own sense of elitism. So be it.
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Male 4,546
The video is "the problem of evil" written in pun form.

The problem of evil is as bad as pascal`s wager when it comes to "reasons to believe".

You assume "evil" to be based on the application of human law to non-human and even metaphysical beings.

Quick example:
The bible dictates a social structure for humans. (Husband/Wife, don`t cheat on each other, etc etc etc.)
The same does not apply to many other species. They have a different social structure. Female Tigers are *designed* to have many male partners for example.

What is considered "evil" for one group/species/state of being is not the same for another.

As such, it is evil for us to kill. It is *not* evil or even wrong for someone to die in an Earthquake. (After all, if you want to blame God for it, and specifically the Christian God, you automatically accept Heaven. In which case, nothing negative has necessarily occurred to the dead person).

But if you need to poke

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Male 1,404
If you stop thinking, you stop living... Great!
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Male 40
plus its funny how atheist see the whole 7 day creation concept. Its really childish infact. haha
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Male 40
my turn,

ok so so much for broad generalizations such as, You know he doesnt exist! or Why does he let people die when he loves them so much?(or torture or death)

Well the irony here is that there is no point to answering it when you don`t care what the answer is as long as it`s in your favor.

If i was to say, Because he doesnt exist! atheist would be dancing and jumping. If I tried to explain it using the bible, the thing God made, you would just write it off as illterate proof.

what so you want it in scientific terms? Well seing things in science only allows one to observe as long as it applys to the laws encomppassing it, therefore the limitation.

Science and God just don`t mix, well =/

plus the only reason I would expect sombody to argue is that the whole thing was just 4 minutes of making puns against God.

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Female 122
Anyway, since you inquired, Hylian, I believe in God. I believe in God simply because it benefits me to believe in God. It helps my life to have faith that there is a higher being, because PEOPLE SUCK! Look how everyone has behaved here. If we are the only ones, the ones that are in charge of this world, then I would feel hopeless. And no, all you athiests, I can`t justify my faith with logic. It`s pretty much and emotional decision. It may be dumb to you, but that is the reason I believe, and I believe strongly.
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Female 122
Why not broaden your thinking and consider the other side for a moment? Tell the person you are debatin with "You may have a point, but I still disagree." That`s all. Respect that somebody is different. Enjoy that somebody is different. How boring would the world be if we were all athiests or all believers? I don`t understand why athiests and believers have to be enemies.
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Female 122
WOW! LOOK WHAT I HAVE CREATED! PURE CHAOS! MUAH HA HA HA!

Anyway...here`s something from HylianNinja...
"And again, GODDAMNIT BEANGREEN!! Look what you`ve done. Now we have to see what half-assed opinions other people have formed, seemingly just to spew at people who disagree. `Heated discussion` my ass. `Im Right and YOU ARE WRONG and STUPID` is more like it. Oh, well. It was inevitable, after all.
But I`ve noticed none of your theories have included time travel. Why the hell not?"

Look,Hylian, I initiated a discussion. Do I have control of how other people communicate? Of course not. So don`t blame me for the nature of people`s arguments.

Anyway, I started the ball rolling just to see how people react and treat one another. Evidently,you guys are all so stuck in your own beliefs and opinions that you become combative and disrespectful, which is going to win your side of the argument any respect.

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Male 2,306
refinement.
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Male 2,306
Do you even understand what a theory is Hylian? Do you even understand the definition of intangible?
Intangible doesn`t mean that we cannot attack it. Justice for instance is intangible, it is an abstract concept that we`ve grown to accept as a regulating factor in secular society. We CAN attack the justice system, which upholds the abstract concept of JUSTICE.
So yes, I can use psychoanalytical, sociological, and anthropological theories to attack justice. I can also use logic, rationality, and science to attack the abstract concept of deities, and the supernatural.
Let`s clear up what a theory means once and for all. A scientific-theory like evolution does not mean that it is making a hunch, or assuming the facts.
Scientific-theories account for all evidence, facts, and information available and compile it into a rational explanation of said elements pertaining to the idea; scientific-theories do not claim to be unchangeable truth, but allow for peer-review and further r
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Male 182
I BELIEVE IN KRISHNA.
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Male 701
My Belief
Believe what the hell you want, its your goddamn life. Live the way you want. I`m agnostic for that reason. I follow my own ethic rules. Whatever happens to me when I`m dead, well i wont know until I`m dead.....But, i think I`m going to conver to Buddhism, and reach Nirvana. Yeah that sounds nice. aaaaanyways. On the side of the video, i though it was kinda funny.
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Male 158
lol flame wars
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Male 77
meh my opinion on the matters, im not at all religeous, i favour buhdism though because recorded evidence of a man with logical thinking that wasent a super magical human is basically the only reason that im not athiest.... and yes i know i have horrible spelling, on relations of prayers, if god in the most used sense did exisit, on technological terms, would have to be amazingly scitzophrenic,autistic and over all amazing to get and reply and fix the number of prayers he gets....the universe geting created in my opinion.....is the vacum of space created such a huge amont of energy at a single space that is ripped open the fabric of time/space to acum a single single celled organisim into or universe, that multiplied and died creating organic mater for other single cells to feed on and evolve and so on and so forth, amazing lol i never thought i would use up 885 words.....
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Male 902
@Sprinky: You are obviousLY a pussy, because you are still attacking intangible things with theories(yes, f*cking theories). If you think I give a sh*t if you keep spreading stupid everywhere, then you are a gaping vagina.

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Male 2,306
@Hylianbiotch: I am obvious not a pussy, because I am still posting. If you think you are going to shut me up by calling me a pussy, then you are stupid.
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Male 2,306
Also, when people say they believe in science, it`s like saying that a automobile driver thinks he can climb a mountain with his car.

It just doesn`t make sense. Climbing a mountain, and driving a car are two different things. Science does not require BELIEF. It has evidence and theory to support it.

This is how it is.

A theory is not a SPECULATION. A theory is a thorough explanation of all evidence, facts, and information currently available.

That`s why Atomic-Theory exists, and the Theory of Gravity, and the Evolutionary Theory exists. There are certain axioms present, and we must address, and solve them. Theories explain things, and do not make guesses at all. Get that out of your head.

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Male 902
^^Still a pussy, I see.
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Male 2,306
"another thing
there are 600,000,000 christians or people that believe in the christian god
and 7,000,000 athiests"

And once upon a time, everyone thought the earth was flat. I guess the truth has a correlation with the amount of believers, right?

I can`t explain how stupid that is. Most people are not Christian. Most people believe in other dieties. So is Christianity wrong because of it? Christianity cannot be proven wrong, but neither can any other belief. There is no reason to believe in God or invisible pink unicorns.

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Male 2,306
Brigallo, if you are aware of that, then why does evolution explain why that happens? Did you even read Charles Darwin`s "Origins of Species"?
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Male 1,496
Religion = Arrogant

Any questions?

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Male 129
The other episodes are freakin funny as hell. Everyone needs to shut the Fark up and just take them as a joke and watch the other video. Their are like 10 or 11 I think.
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Male 93
SPrinkZ:
i`m aware that some can, but i mean that not all can
like you`d never see a horse-dog
or a raccoon-monkey
if we all came from the same thing it would be possible
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Male 437
i am an atheist and i disagree with arkabai. I belive people should be allowed their religons be they a christian, muslim, jew or buhddest(sorry i dont know how to spell that). your religon does not affect your intelligence. If someone starts trying to force their faith on people i lose respect for them.
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Male 902
`I can hear my conscious in the back of my head just yelling "DON`T DO IT! DON`T YOU DARE FREAKIN` DO IT," well sorry conscious, you lose today.`

That sh*t was worth the thread.

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Male 18
I saw the first three episodes on that site, some funny stuff there actually.

I like the light one the most though... good thing we don`t have a clapper for a sun... could you imagine that? "Now lets give him a round of applause and an galactic EPILEPTIC SEIZURE!"

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Male 18
I type this, knowing that it`ll fall on mostly deaf ears, and that`s alright, I`m not trying to force anyone to change their beliefs, I`m just stating my opinions because I feel compelled to do so.

But why do I feel so compelled to try to type anything logical here? Do I feel I can make a difference? Or is it just instinct to put my thoughts out when religion is involved?

I don`t get all fired up because someone says what I believe in is stupid. It`s farfetched, and I can accept the fact that people may think that I`m stupid to believe in something so ridiculous, something I made up.

But I like to live my life the way I feel I should live it, and religion will not effect what I do. I will NOT get offended because there`s a religious symbol of death in a computer-game or video-game I play because I think it`s stupid to do so.

The only religious people I hate are those who let it rule their lives. those who can`t do something because it`s "against their religion"

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Female 601
Lmao, how did I know this would spark a million comments all arguing something that`s been argued about forever?

This is so interesting. People need a sense of humor is all this boils down to.

You guys should really watch the other episodes(if you liked this to begin with), too, they`re great, if not better, than the first one shown here. A friend showed them to me and I`ve watched all of them at least twice XD Yes, I`m that bored. No, I don`t have a life.

http://www.mrdeity.com

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Male 18
... ... ... starting where my post seems to stop for some reason.

...Telling the truth, or he just wants some crazy weird attention

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Male 18
I do believe in SOMETHING, but I don`t know what. Whether it be a god, or science, I can`t say.

I can`t prove what created us to be who we are today, I believe in Evolution, but where did the first molecule come from?

If science says that it is possible to create a single molecule from some sort of energy, then I have to ask "where did the lightning come from in the first place?" and then I have to ask "Why did the first molecules feel the need to separate and duplicate, what caused them to do this?"

Nothing can be answered "correctly" if it didn`t happen in recorded history. Someone may say that a supreme being has spoken to them, "showed them the way," and, though it MAY be true, I can`t really believe him because I`M NOT HIM.

but how am I to know he isn`t speaking the truth? Who am I to say that what I believe in is right, and this seemingly psychotic preacher is just crazy? There is the *SLIGHT* possibility that he is, in fact, Tellin

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Male 93
another thing
there are 600,000,000 christians or people that believe in the christian god
and 7,000,000 athiests
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Male 2,306
"one more: i`m a catholic, there`s a message of peace
what`s wrong with being peaceful??
lets say there IS for a fact A GOD, you live a good life and are rewarded for eternity in heaven
you`re going to regret it for denying God completley
if there isin`t then you just led a good life, and that`s not a bad thing."


Pascal`s wager fails. Explained above.

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Male 2,306
"i believe in God. heres some points-
evolution doesn`t make sence, what are the chances that a few cells could just appear out of nowhere?
and if we all share a common ancestry, how come some species of animals can`t inter-breed"

Solution: Liger, Zorse, etc.

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Male 2,306
Evolution never attempts to explain abiogenesis. Actually there was an experiment done a long time ago, circa 1970`s that proved it is possible to create amino acids from organic molecules that would have made up most of the earth`s atmosphere along with a little energy (lightning).

Also here is the logical argument that destroys pascal wager is this:

There is an INFINITE number of possible Gods which EACH say you cannot believe in another of these possible Gods; therefore, there is no point in believing a God, because the chances of picking the right one is roughly infinitely low, or 0%.

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Male 18
I can hear my conscious in the back of my head just yelling "DON`T DO IT! DON`T YOU DARE FREAKIN` DO IT," well sorry conscious, you lose today.

I cannot prove the existence of god, but I cannot dis-prove it either.

Who`s to say one religious group is right and everyone else is wrong? Why have a war based solely on opinion? Isn`t that all religion is?

It is in my mind, but in my mind I believe everyone`s religion is right... but that`s my opinion.

Let`s say one believes in god, and one believes that they`ve led their life by the book and they believe they are going to heaven. Good for them! you`re going to heaven, and it`s going to be just as they believed it would be. BUT, if one believes they are going to hell and eternal damnation, that`s where they`re going. Hell, if they think they`re going to the land of sweets and sugars, SO BE IT.

I can`t prove that A god (or many gods) exist, I cannot dis-prove it, therefore I live it. I`m in no rush to find out where I`m go

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Male 93
i believe in God. heres some points-
evolution doesn`t make sence, what are the chances that a few cells could just appear out of nowhere?
and if we all share a common ancestry, how come some species of animals can`t inter-breed
solution: creator

look at the complexity of animals in general, they are way to complex to have just randomly been that way

one more: i`m a catholic, there`s a message of peace
what`s wrong with being peaceful??
lets say there IS for a fact A GOD, you live a good life and are rewarded for eternity in heaven
you`re going to regret it for denying God completley
if there isin`t then you just led a good life, and that`s not a bad thing.

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Female 133
this is made by someone trying to invoke faith...doesnt work on me
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Male 2,306
Yeah, you`re the only one cursing. What is your problem? Does the truth hurt? Science <> Intelligent Design.
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Male 2,306
I mean seriously...do you wonder about if Thor or Zeus exists...or perhaps...invisible pink unicorns? If you say no, then you finally understand why I assume that God is probably not there, because there are too many possible gods to even consider the Judea-Christian God. I`d have to entertain them all just as likely as that one, and I don`t have the time to wonder about that.

I hope that if there is a God (and there most likely is not), that it understands why I don`t believe in it. I have reason and logic.

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Male 902
After you spew your trollish drivel everywhere, you call me one? Goddamnit you pussies are getting more ballsy by the day. You might eventually evolve into dicks.
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Male 2,306
Precisely, and no one will claim that the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. But, I think it`s better to ASSUME that it is absent until it`s proven to be there.

Like flying pigs, invisible pink-unicorns, precambrian chickens, the flying spaghetti monster, a celestial teapot, Zeus, Hera, Thor, Satan, Allah, God, magic coins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, etc., and the list goes on.

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Male 132
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...
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Male 2,306
So, I`m a pudendum? Is that really the best you can do, you flaccid-minded pissant?

If I recall correctly, in the vernacular of the moron pussy means coward. Now, how exactly am I a coward, troglodyte? Does intellect scare you? Go back to your cave, troll.

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Male 902
No, this is no joke. You really, really are a pussy. And the jury wasn`t even out for THAT long, man. You should have seen it coming. You pussy.
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Male 2,306
I only hope that is a joke. Yet, I find that most Americans are in fact that stupid.
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Male 902
Logic and reason are for pussies. I`ll paraphrase nothing, because I am not a pussy. You f*ck.
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Male 2,306
By the way, you look just like my ex. That`s creepy.
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Male 2,306
It is sad that people cannot appeal to logic, or to reason, and that they believe that their comfort makes something true.

I`ll paraphrase a very good quote:

The point that a theist is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.

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Female 218
Pretty funny. You all are idiots arguing about religion on IAB. Like any of you will change anyone`s religious viewpoints based on what a stranger retorted their beliefs with. Seriously.
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Male 2,306
Also, about your `flying monkeys` crap, that`s called the negative truth fallacy. Try again, moron. I am sick of seeing religious arguments like that. Saying that something is unprovable is NOT a good argument. It`s a bad argument, and it always will be.

There is no proof that Zeus doesn`t exist, or perhaps Hera, or maybe even Thor. It`s obvious that these don`t exist in your mind, so why can`t you dismiss your own? You see the logic of why you are dismissing them...that`s the SAME logic I am using to dismiss your God. It`s totally absurd, and unecessary, and you know it.

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Male 2,306
Intelligent design is Creationism in a cheap tuxedo.

There is no evidence for God in the entire universe. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

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Male 2,306
"one is science itself, the flagullum cannot work without the WHOLE of its parts and LIFE AS WE KNOW IT cannot exsist without a working flagullum, tell me how can anything evolve or even create itself before it has a working flagullum. (aside from molecules ect)"

Hahaha...this is great. The Flagellum motor can have 80% of its parts taken away and will still work.

Just watch this video, it will be easier to digest for your small-minded crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR...

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Male 2,306
Believing in God is as practical as believing in an invisible pink unicorn. They are exactly the same. There is absolutely no reason to believe in God at all. If people are so stupid that they cannot even come to their own conclusions without consulting a book that is 2,000 years old, written by misogynistic, genocidal, petulant, capricious bastards, then I don`t know what the world is coming to.
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Male 2,306
I don`t believe in God, that`s all I`m going to say. Arguments based on proving religion are pointless and idiotic.
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Male 2,306
Two quotes for you that believe the argumentum ad populum fallacy is a legitimate argument:

"Both deism and traditional Judeo-Christian-Islamic theism must also be contrasted with pantheism, the notion attributed to Baruch Spinoza (d. 1677) that the deity is associated with the order of nature or the universe itself. This also crudely summarizes the Hindu view and that of many indigenous religions around the world. When modern scientists such as Einstein and Stephen Hawking mention `God` in their writings, this is what they seem to mean: that God is Nature."

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"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

-Einstein

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Female 169
I believe in God, that`s all I`m going to say. Arguments based around religion are pointless and idiotic.
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Moenkie
Male, 18-29, Western US
302 Posts Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:25:54 PM
First, I`m not an athiest.
Suppose someone is claiming there is a giraffe in their house. Now, you live in suburban Los Angeles, you`re quite sure there is no giraffe in his house, given the current evidence (LA, climate, space required to house giraffe etc) you feel that there cannot possibly be one. So you tell him he`s full of crap. He then replies to you, can YOU prove I don`t have one.

What he`s just done is misplace the burden of proof. While The problem with my example is that the giraffe has a specific place to be, that they could check to see if he is or he isn`t (while God, obviously, does not) but I think you can understand what I`m saying."

Reminded me of this:link

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Male 3,369
> Odin, Thor..etc etc..

So who has to rpove what here?

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Male 3,369
Wow Monktoast..just wow!

So...as a Christian, who belive`s in a Deity you can not see, hear, or touch..a deity there is physically no proof of..you want us atheist to disprove that?

You totally misunderstand the true core being of an atheist anyway. We are not an organised religion, there is no underlying belief system in place. We simply do not belive in God.

I`ll take a logical stance thank you. There are more religions than just your`s. Your ignorance astounds me..your saying "Disprove God"...well..being as all the religions combined outn umber atheists, and all beliving in diffrent things (both modern and historical) I think your on a losing streak with your argument. I can not disprove your God, or any other Religion`s God or Gods...But there is not a shred of physical evidence to support any God. Just because the universe and all thats in it exists, it simply does not mean it was "created".
So.We cant disprove God, Allah, Ganesha, Buddha, Zeus, Anubi

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Male 263
i enjoyed our talk to moe, take care and dotn work to hard in class!
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Male 263
it doesnt matter if theists brought it up, atheists dont say "prove it to me" which, if soemone states a fact, the listener would say. they say " you are wrong, there is no god"
see, this is tkaing an opposite position, but still presenting a fact.
they are not receptive ears to someones claims, they are anti-position, polar opoosites, thus you cannot say they are nuetral like you are inplying when you say " but theists brought it up"
i do not impply that theists do not need to prove their position, they do, they are stating a fact, but so are the atheists stating the opposite.
any neutral parties will have to figure out the truth, but if only one sid eis explainign and the other doesnt, well, what good is that?
actually i believe saying there is no God is not ordinary, since theism is older than atheism and always been excepted by the vast majoirty of humans.
if someoen comes alogn and says HEY, YOU ARE WRONG, you better have a reason.
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Male 312
I have to shower now. I have class in a half hour. I really enjoyed our argument. I hope we can do it again sometime.
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Male 263
i personally dont even ask atheists to prove it, because its a waste of time, t will just go back and forth like we do now, i rather concentrate my efforts on showing peopel what i have experienced and how i know there is a god.

they can sit there and think they know there is no god not even a possibility of a god, and for whatever reasons in their head or life they came to that, i guess they can keep it.

its just i will not buy the words of anyone on face value, if you say soemthing, prove it to convince me.

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Male 312
If you made a claim about something not being there when nobody made a claim that it was there in the first place you would be acting silly.

An atheist would not say there isn`t a God if a theist never said there was one.

An ahtiest isn`t claiming anything out of the ordinary.

A theist, however, is.

A theist, though, is somehow exempt from having to prove there is a God merely because God is so good/omnipotent that merely saying he isn`t is a fallacy of logic.

Which isn`t the case.

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Male 263
i didnt sya you are agnostic or didnt mean t othink that, im tryign to discuss atheists as atheists noon in aprticular.

no its not ad hom because i can substantiate the claim. it may be a sweepign generalazation thoug il lamdit, because i have in rare occasions seen debates where athiests do try to give evidence, circumstantial atleast, that there is no god.

so i apologize for the generalazation, however, in my experience a vast majority will simply state they have nothing to prove, that god doesnt exsist and thats that.

well, they may think that, but al lfacts need evidence, as i said before.

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Male 263
hylian liek i said, i onyl do it not to change nayones mind, but to help the situation have a broader udnerstanding.

i hate when atheists say they dotn have to prove the non exsistance of god, when they actually do.

its simple fact.

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Male 312
and now you`re making an ad hominem argument about how atheists argue.
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Male 312
No, I`m an agnostic. I don`t think I can know. My claim was that an atheist can say "God doesn`t exist." without having to prove it. Atheists rely on theists to make the claim so they can say it doesn`t exist. Without theists there would be no atheists.
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Male 263
the spagetti mnonster doesnt exsist! well i dotn have to proof that becaus enoone gives a damn, its all about importance.

just like global warming, soem say yes soem say 100% NO! well, nboth sides need to prove their claims.

the ones who dont are th eones who say " i dotn know!"

well, i think god/intellegent design can be an accepted proper scientific theory, but because atheists say 100% god doesnt exsist, well they do not want tp prove that.

all they say is " idiot god doesnt exist" they do not say " idiot god doesnt exists because x + y + n etc

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Male 902
I actually believe in god, but all this talk of proof and fact has no place around an argument with religion in the middle. I know that sounds counterproductive, but if you can`t believe the unbelievable right off the bat, no-one is going to convince you. Making this argument wasted if no-one even f*cking mentions the flying monkeys role in the introduction of the time paradox into some monktoasty ass. Thank god we got that out of the way. Onto the porn.
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Male 263
wait though, in science they say things like " may" " might" " possible"

but if you are claiming something is IMPOSSIBLE, like God, sure you dont have to prove it if you do not want, but what would make anyone believe that claim?

it simple woudl be opinion, not fact.

God isnt special with this, ANY fact that is touted as true, must be supported.

when NASA said pluto wa sno longer a planet, they had to PROVE it wasnt a planet.

even nasa, who has zero proof of aleins (as far as we know), because they tlel us this, do not exclude the possiblity, which is why they still search.

how is god differetn from aliens? if we truly cannot say " aliens do not exsist!" then we cnanot say " god doesnt exsist"

the problem lie sin atheists who swear up and down 100% they know for a fact there is no god, they will spread that and evangelize that statement yet bring no proof.

or even in this forum, hey im atheist, there is no god. ok, why

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Male 312
Why though? Just because of science (your previously stated fact)? A lot of things are possible but that doesn`t mean we put any stock into them. What makes God so special that just claiming He isn`t there such a strong claim?
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Male 263
we simply have t ADMIT OUR IGNORANCE in some tihngs, which atheists refuse to do with God.

It is fine not to believe in God, or gods or anything up there, but its not fine to say they 100% do not exsist without giving me the benefit of your vast wisdom.

if the atheist truly knows one doesnt exsist, please let me in on that, so i stop wasting my time, you see?

but they cannot prove it, thus they must, to be honest, say they simply do not know or do not THINK there is one. thats different.

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Male 263
its not aobut flying monkeys, its the concept.

for flying monkeys, we do not believe because they have never been found, but I WILL NOT EXCLUDE THEM from exsistance 100%. that would be to near sighted, because i simply do not know everything.

look at all the things science thought dcould nto exsist, but do!

i am a flying monkey agnostic! because really, it may be possible, who knows?

now gettign back to the point, when an atheist says there exists 100% NO GOD. yet provide nothinig to prove it, that is the problem.

God may be possible, so their statement is confusing, that there is no god.

it isnt like the refridgerator man, who lights and unlights your fridge, we know now 100% fact that isnt true, nor isnt possible.

so, with god, to say " there 100% isnt a god" that is an extraordinary claim, because it would involve knowledge beyond our ability and beyond our natural world.
that is liek me saying there isnt 1000000 paralell universes, i cant prove that!

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Male 312
I think you`re arguing silly now, honestly, which is why I can`t take it seriously. I`m not about to insult your intelligence and try to prove there aren`t purple flying monkeys, we`re both smart enough to realize there aren`t.
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Male 902
You stated the fact that there are no flying monkeys. I`ve proven you wrong with a faith-based argument. You can`t try to get past that unless you say faith doesn`t mean anything, which means you don`t believe in god. Which would really confuse the hell out of everyone.
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Male 263
no, you have to prove your own claim that there HASNT been any flying monkeys.

its just a simple cocept, if you sate a fact (there is no flying monkeys or neve rhave been) you have to prove it.

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Male 902
Now you`re dividing by zero.
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Male 312
O NO PIME TARADOX
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Male 902
Just say the `WIZARD OF OZ`

Then he has to prove that it wasn`t historically accurate, so you claim that you have faith that it was, BAMM infinite logic loop.

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Male 312
So now I have to prove your claim about there not being monkeys? Come on dude, that`s unfair.
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Male 312
Good one (seriously).
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Male 263
moenkie, everyone woudl believe me because there have never been flying monkeys, but are yo usure?

prove there isnt or hasnt.

please give evidence to suport your claim.

see how ti works?

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Male 263
I say there is a God and i can give reasonable facts to prove it.

one is science itself, the flagullum cannot work without the WHOLE of its parts and LIFE AS WE KNOW IT cannot exsist without a working flagullum, tell me how can anything evolve or even create itself before it has a working flagullum. (aside from molecules ect)

this is one fact that i present has there being a creator, a God.

well, " god exsisting isnt empiracal fact" maybe true, but there is still evidence to support it, and with anything that is not directly reproducable or seen, yo uhave to marry the evidence with the best possible explanation, this is the work of intellect.

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Male 312
no, everyone would believe you because there have never been any purple flying monkeys observed throughout history.
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Male 263
if i say there is no purple flying monkeys, that 100% there isn`t any, i better atleast give some circumstantial proof, or reason why i lean towards that.

atheists refuse to do this. they wont even tell themselves why they dont think there is a god.

there whole process is "seeing is believing" prove it to me; which is fine, but that would be a nuetral stance, they have to accoutn for saying there isnt one 100%.
thinks exssist whether you believe it or not, the most reasonable way to go about it is to say " im not sure until its proven"

which is a thousand miles better then saying " it doesnt exsist til you prove it" because now they must prove the non exsistance themselves.


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Male 312
God existing isn`t empircal fact.
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Male 902
And again, GODDAMNIT BEANGREEN!! Look what you`ve done. Now we have to see what half-assed opinions other people have formed, seemingly just to spew at people who disagree. `Heated discussion` my ass. `Im Right and YOU ARE WRONG and STUPID` is more like it. Oh, well. It was inevitable, after all.

But I`ve noticed none of your theories have included time travel. Why the hell not?

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Male 263
moenkie, im sorry but they are, they are claiming there is no god, that is claiming so,mething and thus must be suported.

yo uare thinking of apathetic peopel who " simply do not care" one way or the other. they dont say there is a god or isnt a god.

atheists are far from this, even goign so far as to evangelize people into believing there isnt a god, yet giving no proof. (see richard dawkins)

you, or noone, can EVER change the rules, the rules of FACTS is that there MUST be proof, emprical or circumstantial evidence to support the claims.

no matter what yo usay, you will not change this.

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Male 263
chemo, we aree commanded to defend the faith. sure, it does get very flamey and stuff, but I do it not to change their minds, but to hopefully give a reasonable reposnse to their questions for those who may not know all the facts.

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Male 312
Atheists aren`t making a claim about something being there that hasn`t given itself any evidence (moral argument aside, that`s something I don`t feel like getting into) of itself on this world. They don`t have to prove anything, they`re not claiming anything special.
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Male 263
its better to be an atheist becaus eyo ucan do what you want? you are "free"

i disahree highly, because if there is no god, and we are all random natural processess, than you are subject to the thoughts and desires that the biological explosions in your brain tell you to have, nothing more nothiing less. Yo uwould be an autonotom, a machine goign about its daily life without any control over those chemical messages and traits given to us by random processes.

now, why DO we have free will? because we were created that way, and given free will, choice.

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Male 7
Anyhow, to all the Christians on this forum, something I`ve learned--you don`t need to prove your beliefs to people and in fact, all you are achieving by doing so is setting people apart in guarding your pride. If militant atheists want to trash Christians and think us naive and unintelligent, let them. You don`t need to justify yourself to them, so don`t let it concern you. You`ll feel a lot more free in doing so.
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Male 263
actually, i woudl have to prove there isn`t a giraffe in his house if i said there isnt.
there is no problem here, i woudl merely go there and look, if there is a girraffe, i was wrong, if there isnt, i was right.
and then, if he comes up with any number of explanations and still demands that they have a giraffe in their house, i would merely say, " i guess i do not know if there is one or not, for i do not have all the knowledge"
if i demand of the person that they do not have a girraffe in their house, no matter what they are claimign to me, i MUST prove it.

this is the same boat as atheists, they state a 100% fact that there is no God, yet produce nothing to prove it.
it is a fact that the earth is not flat, yet for a logn time, thats all a certain people believed, and when approached, they woudl say " prove the earth is not flat!" well, to correct them, they had to prove the earth was round.
to correct theists, atheists have to prove there is no

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Female 455
I`m not gonna argue over whether there is or isn`t a god, but I will say that I think it`s better to be an Atheist than to follow a religion. If you`re a true Atheist, then you don`t believe in any form of afterlife, so you know you need to live your life to the fullest, because it`s all the time you have. People following religions use life as the waiting room for heaven (or their religions` equivalent). I mean, the people who spend all day every day knocking on doors trying to convert people... what a waste of a life. They don`t seem to feel the need to do anything bigger or more important than buying their ticket to heaven.
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Male 83
this whole atheism against religious people is what`s stupid here. Sure I believe in God, but God won`t solve my problems or provide explinations, it`s the faith and hope that there is more to life and death than just making the best out of it that you can.
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Male 312
First, I`m not an athiest.

Suppose someone is claiming there is a giraffe in their house. Now, you live in suburban Los Angeles, you`re quite sure there is no giraffe in his house, given the current evidence (LA, climate, space required to house giraffe etc) you feel that there cannot possibly be one. So you tell him he`s full of crap. He then replies to you, can YOU prove I don`t have one.

What he`s just done is misplace the burden of proof. While The problem with my example is that the giraffe has a specific place to be, that they could check to see if he is or he isn`t (while God, obviously, does not) but I think you can understand what I`m saying.

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Male 263
ARKABAI,wait, atheists don`t claim that we got here by the big bang? isn`t that just as stupid as believing in god? isn`t that like you say " trying to give meaning to why we are here?" isn`t saying we have a lack of meaning, actually a statement about meaning, that indeed, we have none?

your hypocrisy astounds me.

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Male 263
and as to religious people being "stupid" or even seprate from science, this is a fallacy.

christians created the scientific process, christians spread science and reason during the dark ages when most places were relying on superstition, not reason and order.

actually nearly all of the most important discoveries and inventions were created by religious people. gravity, pasturazation, anti-biotics, modern medicine, telephone, electricitak system, etc etc

im not syaing it is important who comes up with what, but its mere bigotry to say that religious people are stupid.

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Male 7
I just wanna clear something up, but I don`t think internet forums are a good place to talk about God (mostly because all they ever turn out to be is hate mongering and insult throwing parties by both sides).

In the Christian faith, it makes very clear that the world is not under control by God. This will set off the religious baggage alarms for a lot of you, but the Bible illustrates that the world as the domain of Satan. We were given power on the earth, but we relinquished it through sin and gave it to evil; that`s partly what the Genesis story is about. It`s explaining the nature of the world we live in--all the pain and crap, we are living in enemy territory.

For instance, during the temptation of Jesus in the desert, Satan offers him power over all the kingdoms of earth, human authoritative kingdoms as well as the natural kingdoms. Jesus doesn`t call him out and say, "that belongs to God already". Instead, he acknowledges that Satan is in fact the king over these.

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Male 625
arkabai is right, but hes still a dickhead
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Male 263
oh Moenki, yo udo not have to prove there is a God, but you have to prove there isn`t one, atheists are giving a forward statement, presenting a FACT, the FACT that there is no God. Every fact must have evidence to support it.

it is that simple.

now you can be intellectually honest and admit yo udo not have any proof, and therefore you are NOT SURE if there is a God or not, this is acceptable.

However, if yo uare so sure there is no God, prove it.

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Male 263
God makes most sense of the universe. Science was created because of this order, knowing that God has created a universe with cause and effect, and is stable, predictable and repeatable.
Without God many things are left to question, such as objective morality, te precise perfection of order in the universe, the intelligence needed for the human body to work, and co-exsist with the universe seemlessly. etc

as for evolution, not a single scientist, biologist, or any such person in the field can even give a partial step by step procedure of one species changing into another. thus, a lot of faith goes into this philosophy, started ( actually borrowed from a greek philosopher who came up with the idea of species changing into other species) by a non scientist who merely put pieces together by what he seen with his eyes, not scientific process.
It is beyond the scope of this board to prove God here, but it can be done, even with science theory.

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Male 312
Atheists don`t have to prove there is a God, they aren`t claiming there is one. It`s the job of the theist to prove it, since they`re making the claim.
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Male 85
my religion is nature :)
i dont want to get heated so i didnt even read anything ahahah
anyways, this vid is sooo true
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Male 263
atheists have no proof that there is no God, even though they are certain there isn`t. They are the center of all ignorant peopl eon this earth, merely for their outrageous claims as if they are omnitient and know everything.
now as for the fake mosnters atheists always produce when asked to disprove God, they ask me to disprove the flying pink unicorn, well, thats a matter of putting pieces together, but in the end, I must take the agnostic road on those, because i simply do not know everything, but i can LEAN towards the beats beeing made up on the spot by the offending atheist.
atheists refuse to do this with god, creating a FACT without PROOF. hence, their ignorant approach to all things outside of the realm of science. this is easy to see as well as they scream about not having any religion, yet they adopt the naturalistic religion, placing their faith in naturalistic means such as big bang and evolution, both of which are beyond the realm of science to prove.
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Male 902
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No. Stupid f*cking question.
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Male 13
Fact: You can be religious and intelligent at the same time. Valedictorian in my high school is a VERY devout Mormon.

Religion is called faith because you have to have FAITH in that what you believe is true despite the lack of evidence. That`s the whole difference between Science and Religion

Science gives you the facts. Religion tells you "No, there isn`t any real proof except for your own spirituality."

Here`s how we make everyone happy. You can believe in your religion. Be happy. You, yourself, and your spirituality and beliefs, HAVE FAITH that you are correct. You don`t force this on anyone else, because they have a different belief and spirituality.
Problem solved?

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Male 10
Religious people are stupid, the intelligent ones are atheists. Religion is a replacement for knowledge. For something you do not know, you have to believe in something. Because dumb people cannot accept the fact that no living being in the universe can ever answer the question, why the universe exists. In your face, you morons! I rule.
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Male 3,369
patriotpappy: "Seriously then, in your opinion, I would be wasting my time praying for you?"

Umm why would you be praying for me? I dont need to be prayed for.

icklevamp: Science is something that constantly re-examines itself. It is built on fact and Theory. Most theory`s have a lot of evidence to support them (such as the theory of evolution)..plenty of data to confirm the theory but just not enough yet to confirm it as factual.
Religion relys on faith alone. That is the diffrence. You say "learn before you judge" but thats a little silly to say dont you think? think about it. The Universe and all that is in it..Science sets out to discover the answers. Religion (any one you choose) has it all laid it with the answers ready to read.

Brant167: Your right..pointless..but still people should discuss it. Education and discussion is the only way forward..Unless of course you can start a holy war and just wipe out the opposition..history lesson anyone?..

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Female 122
HA! It`s so amusing to read all of this crap I started.
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Female 375
Arkabai, you have a lot to learn, you think science explains everything? We don`t even know what gravity is yet, or why the speed of light is constant, or even whether anti matter exists or not, learn before you judge.
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Male 901
Of course there is a reason your mother has cancer, one of her cells mutated and began to multiply like crazy!

And one other thing - to say that science and religion are equal is complete horse crap, since science is based empirical evidence, whereas religion is based on belief. Really, it`s not the same thing.

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Male 106
Man someone needs to start a inquisition on ya`lls asses. Seriously debating religion is just like abortion it pisses people off and you will never change anyone elses mind so why even bother?
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Male 756
Seriously then, in your opinion, I would be wasting my time praying for you?
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Male 3,369
"All prayers are answered, maybe you just didn`t get the answer you wanted." patriotpappy

Thats exactly the sort of answer I expected from someone living in Southern US..Bible belt USA! I suggest you take a tour of the world. Go spend a week in Dehli or tour Angola..anywhere that takes you away from the comfort of your own mind..then comeback and say "All prayers are answered". I never have been religous...but I`ve seen things that make me belive there certainly isnt a God..or as I said before, if there is, he couldnt care less.

Seriously...No prayers are answered ever!

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Female 375
Before I start, I`m atheist, but the fact that atheists see fit to call religious people unintelligent or somehow worse than them just for a belief is ridiculous. What if they know something you don`t? Ever thought of that? What if you`re wrong?
No one knows the answers to the meaning of life, everyone`s just guessing, and your guess is no better than anyone elses.
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Male 756
All prayers are answered, maybe you just didn`t get the answer you wanted.

God gives you the right to choose. I`m free to choose, just as you are. Some choose to not believe; some choose not to choose, and some choose to believe. God allows you that.

I`ve made my choice, and you can make (or have made) yours.

And I think ggolbez is right... my choice.

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Male 68
And this conversation sucks... you guys can talk yourselves in circles all day... I`m going to the park!
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Male 68
I think its funny that Mr.Deity is mildly flamboyant and looks like a gay Californian... lol, What a twist...
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Female 2,761
God didn`t write the bible, people did.

Thats all I`m going to say

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Male 3,369
God either dosnt exist or dosnt care.

To many religions, to many unanswered prayers, no physical proof (no the bible is not proof)...I think "organised" religion is thought control of the highest degree...
Had this debate so many times..nothing is gonna change..There is only one solution too...God/Allah/whoever shows up and sorts us atheist/agnostic outs..Not appearing will not change anyone who has faith. Logic wins for me everytime!

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Male 260
Atheism FTW. God doesn`t exist, look inside yourself, you know you believe it.
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Female 1,496
Although, if everything happen for a reason that would also allow that God has the ability to allow evil, which is not possible cause God is all good. Also, to say God knows the future throws the whole argument out that God allows us to have free will. So no, things don`t happen for a reason.

To say that only dumb people have religion and smart people do not is a flawed statement from a perfect example of a moron.

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Male 242
I think that`s a great way to fool yourself. I once saw an elderly woman on the news, right after the hurricane katrina, whose house was destroyed, her husband killed, and she said that everything happens for a reason, and we just don`t know what. I mean, wake up?!
Love can make blind. Love of god certainly does.
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Male 2,372
[quote]On 5/3/2007 4:43:44 AM Arkabai wrote: Religious people are stupid, the intelligent ones are atheists. Religion is a replacement for knowledge. For something you do not know, you have to believe in something. Because dumb people cannot accept the fact that no living being in the universe can ever answer the question, why the universe exists. In your face, you morons! I rule.[/quote]
I guess that means that Einstein was stupid then, right Arkabai?
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Female 344
I am mainly an agnostic/Satanism, so~
Zzzz~
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Male 1,931
Arkabai, you do rule. I myself am not really all the religious. But at least I don`t have to put other people down to make myself feel good. You rule at that.
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Male 10
Religious people are stupid, the intelligent ones are atheists. Religion is a replacement for knowledge. For something you do not know, you have to believe in something. Because dumb people cannot accept the fact that no living being in the universe can ever answer the question, why the universe exists. In your face, you morons! I rule.
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Male 312
I`m an agnostic. Give me a good reason why I should/shouldn`t believe in God.
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Male 902
So much gold in this clip that I will not show favoritism by quoting. But goddamnit beangreen, you have to let these things develop naturally, or they just lose that special something.
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Male 1,931
True, but what I was meaning to say was that "No one has the right to FORCE their beliefs on others". I mispoke... didn`t I?
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Male 1,142
ggolbez the only way to go along with your first statement is to end your comment at "No one person has any right to influence their beliefs on others". by sharing your belief you are influencing others with it.
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Male 1,931
MY BELIEF - Take it as you will. No one person has any right to influence their beliefs on others. Yes, tragedies in the world happen, but I feel that these things happen for a reason. Each singular event influences countless other events either directly or indirectly. Ever action, every drop of rain, all of it... Influences something. These influences are part of a very large picture. Being that we are not omnipotent, we can not grasp these events and question their meaning in the big picture. So we must take it on faith that it is all for a greater good. Not a sermon, just a thought.
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Female 122
Let`s see how long this lasts before it goes uncivil. Lol.
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Female 122
And why?

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Female 122
So! Heated discussion time! Who here believes in God(s) and who doesn`t???
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Female 601
Link: Mr. Deity [Rate Link] - A light-hearted parody on creationism. There are more episodes as well for those interested.
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