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Also, why did the video Mr. Deity inspire this? I didn`t read all the comments but barely anyone said anything about the video. I thought was funny so there!
If people belive in god, god exists to themif people don`t, god does not.
Oh and BTW the statement "God could be anything, but not nothing. Bitch." Doesn`t make any sense. Are you trying to imply because God can`t be nothing (says you) that he has to be something?
Atheists have more logical proof (doesn`t boil down to god did it) Evolution is used to explain of humans are the current stage of improvement over time for our particular branch. Not the "creation" of man. Earth was made when the Solar System was formed, the Big Bang created the universe. And assuming already that`s God did it, is a Huge mistake.
How do you know Odin didn`t do it? Or Zeus?
and spelling tends to show how intelligent you are.
Anyway...for the last time..I`m not just talking about Christians, I`m talking about all religions.
Christians have their faith...
You are obviously a troll.
Maddog is also very stupid since he doesn`t know the difference between your and you`re.
Also, the dictionary is not the authority on concepts. Nouns have more definitions than the dictionary provide.
Are you telling me that Hitler is only what the dictionary says he is? I mean seriously. Stop being a dumb a.ss.
Imagine there`s no countriesIt isn`t hard to doNothing to kill or die forAnd no religion tooImagine all the peopleLiving life in peace...
You may say I`m a dreamerBut I`m not the only oneI hope someday you`ll join usAnd the world will be as one
Imagine no possessionsI wonder if you canNo need for greed or hungerA brotherhood of manImagine all the peopleSharing all the world...
You may say I`m a dreamerBut I`m not the only oneI hope someday you`ll join usAnd the world will live as one
That song makes more sense than anything else to me. I only hope that one day we get there... Lets see where you want humanity to go
a·the·ist – a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
ag·nos·tic - One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
So where exactly does it state an atheist can not belive in life after death huh?
As for the whole world is round! Well I suggest you re-view your facts. The populace at large belived the world was flat. A few had "theorised" it was round but had been unable to prove it at the time.
Next time you call some one a moron make sure you dont end up looking like it! The phrase TROLL blatently applies to you!
But we all really know the native americans were there first, before the Europeans came.
We knew the earth was round at around the 1st century A.D. The Greeks had figured that out by observing a lunar eclipse. Christopher Columbus KNEW there was land out to the west, because the AFRICANS were trading with the South Americans. The Africans were the first ones to cross the Atlantic and visit the New World.
But...they never tell you that stuff, huh?
Just remember..If Christopher Columbus had listen to all the nay sayers, he certainly would not have found America!
One thing I do belive is, religion..or at least organised religion, is a hold over from the dark ages. thats not disputing God (even though I dont belive) thats just disputing the "taught as per bible" version of events and the amount of religions around. We, as a species have made leaps and bounds in discoverys in the past few hundered years. We only recently entered the technological age and we learn something new everyday. If you choose to accept we know little about the universe or where we came from, then your more open to new ideas and new discoveries. Both sides want proof the other is right, neither have it or may never have it..But, read your bibles..It`s written by man, not God and it dosnt add up!
Funny that. Biologists and the scientific community accept it. That includes those of a religious persuasion. Mostly!
Anyway...Lets clarify 1 thing. Atheists dont belive in God. Dosnt mean they dont belive in faries or anything else. Its not a religion.There is only one underlying rule..NO BELIEF IN GOD.. Everything else is a moot point. The mis-information being thrown around in this thread is hilarious!Seriously..as no 2 atheists will have the exact same beliefs your getting a diffrent argument
But hey i`m not gonna choose sides here.
Funny Link BTW
drat IT! Lets all have some pie and watch a funny movie! - Best idea ever!
Go get an education, kid. Come back when you completed college or something.
Concepts are intangible. God is a concept. God can be discussed and attacked, and people who believe in God are not subhuman, but are conditioned in such a way that they cannot think critically, or challenge their own beliefs, or ask for real answers.
Evolution is actually the best scientific-theory we have. It`s even more solid than the atomic theory, or the theory of gravity. So you tell me. Why should anyone listen to you? You obviously are not even in college.
Anyway, here is the proper definition of a SCIENTIFIC-THEORY:
The word theory has a number of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.
In common usage, people often use the word theory to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements that would be true independently of what people think about them...
I can be as abrasive as you, f*ckhead. Your argument is dead if you look at it the right way.
Your calling everyone that believes in something higher a f*cking retard does not make you intelligent, it makes you an asshat. If I just read your posts in the wrong light, I apologize. But it does appear that you consider someone that puts stock in things you don`t agree with subhuman.
Incapable of being realized or defined is the meaning I implied with that statement. In that, religion and faith destroy law or any other retarded example you are going to introduce.
When it comes to God, they become nihilists a lot of the time.
you have to assume that something doesnt exist untill there is evidence that it does exist.
I myself have made super rocketboots which allow me to fly, go to outerspace and have an integreated toaster, do you belive me? no becausae you have no evidence.
or in the courtroom. `that man raped me` "well is there any evidence" `no but if you have faith in me can you believe what im saying?`
A diabetic who has suffered from credit card fraud.Someone who has tried acupuncture and has gallstones.A tattooed insomniac.Is an epileptic with a substance abuse problem.At a bit of a stretch: A Rush Limbaugh Listener who is raising at least one child that is not his own unknowingly.A homeless man who has faked an Orgasm at some point. A smoker who has paid for sex, has an eating disorder, and believes in alien abduction.
Think how many nutjobs are in the US. (10`000 virgins in the US insured themselves against giving birth to the Messiah at the millenium ffs.)
Now consider that the population of the Muslim world is 4-5 times the size of that. That`s 5 times the number of nutjobs. Even if ~1% of them are crazy, that`s 1.5 million crazy people.
Atheism does count as a religion. Look up the definitions of religion, you will find about 6. 2 apply to Atheism, 3 to Bhuddism, and 5 to Christianity and Islam.
I.e. I can be called a religion, has the same effect as religion, the same elitism you find in any religion/ideal/political viewpoint. As well as the same "gosh if we were all just atheist/Muslim/Christian everything would be ok" talk that goes on.
Finally: "Some Muslims (which seems to many) hate `infidels`".
See my next post.
Maybe we should start to change our DNA. Evolve ourselves. Make some kinda intelligent super race or something. That would be awesome XD
But the good side of our nature won`t be left behind either. And i`m happy with that. Yet I don`t really know what we should do about Religion. Is it good? Is it bad? I have experienced, that it brings more bad than good. Vikings believed in Valhalla so they tried to be strong warriors in order to get there. That resulted in much killing. Good? Romans hated the Christians. Germans hated the Jews, etc.. etc..Good? Some muslims (which seems to many) hate "infidels", i.e. Christians. Good? You judge. If there would be no religion, people still would kill each other, i am sure. But maybe they would kill less? There would be less reasons to hate.Who knows.
The problem of evil is as bad as pascal`s wager when it comes to "reasons to believe".
You assume "evil" to be based on the application of human law to non-human and even metaphysical beings.
Quick example:The bible dictates a social structure for humans. (Husband/Wife, don`t cheat on each other, etc etc etc.)The same does not apply to many other species. They have a different social structure. Female Tigers are *designed* to have many male partners for example.
What is considered "evil" for one group/species/state of being is not the same for another.
As such, it is evil for us to kill. It is *not* evil or even wrong for someone to die in an Earthquake. (After all, if you want to blame God for it, and specifically the Christian God, you automatically accept Heaven. In which case, nothing negative has necessarily occurred to the dead person).
But if you need to poke
ok so so much for broad generalizations such as, You know he doesnt exist! or Why does he let people die when he loves them so much?(or torture or death)
Well the irony here is that there is no point to answering it when you don`t care what the answer is as long as it`s in your favor.
If i was to say, Because he doesnt exist! atheist would be dancing and jumping. If I tried to explain it using the bible, the thing God made, you would just write it off as illterate proof.
what so you want it in scientific terms? Well seing things in science only allows one to observe as long as it applys to the laws encomppassing it, therefore the limitation.
Science and God just don`t mix, well =/
plus the only reason I would expect sombody to argue is that the whole thing was just 4 minutes of making puns against God.
Anyway...here`s something from HylianNinja..."And again, GODDAMNIT BEANGREEN!! Look what you`ve done. Now we have to see what half-assed opinions other people have formed, seemingly just to spew at people who disagree. `Heated discussion` my ass. `Im Right and YOU ARE WRONG and STUPID` is more like it. Oh, well. It was inevitable, after all.But I`ve noticed none of your theories have included time travel. Why the hell not?"
Look,Hylian, I initiated a discussion. Do I have control of how other people communicate? Of course not. So don`t blame me for the nature of people`s arguments.
Anyway, I started the ball rolling just to see how people react and treat one another. Evidently,you guys are all so stuck in your own beliefs and opinions that you become combative and disrespectful, which is going to win your side of the argument any respect.
It just doesn`t make sense. Climbing a mountain, and driving a car are two different things. Science does not require BELIEF. It has evidence and theory to support it.
This is how it is.
A theory is not a SPECULATION. A theory is a thorough explanation of all evidence, facts, and information currently available.
That`s why Atomic-Theory exists, and the Theory of Gravity, and the Evolutionary Theory exists. There are certain axioms present, and we must address, and solve them. Theories explain things, and do not make guesses at all. Get that out of your head.
And once upon a time, everyone thought the earth was flat. I guess the truth has a correlation with the amount of believers, right?
I can`t explain how stupid that is. Most people are not Christian. Most people believe in other dieties. So is Christianity wrong because of it? Christianity cannot be proven wrong, but neither can any other belief. There is no reason to believe in God or invisible pink unicorns.
That sh*t was worth the thread.
I like the light one the most though... good thing we don`t have a clapper for a sun... could you imagine that? "Now lets give him a round of applause and an galactic EPILEPTIC SEIZURE!"
But why do I feel so compelled to try to type anything logical here? Do I feel I can make a difference? Or is it just instinct to put my thoughts out when religion is involved?
I don`t get all fired up because someone says what I believe in is stupid. It`s farfetched, and I can accept the fact that people may think that I`m stupid to believe in something so ridiculous, something I made up.
But I like to live my life the way I feel I should live it, and religion will not effect what I do. I will NOT get offended because there`s a religious symbol of death in a computer-game or video-game I play because I think it`s stupid to do so.
The only religious people I hate are those who let it rule their lives. those who can`t do something because it`s "against their religion"
This is so interesting. People need a sense of humor is all this boils down to.
You guys should really watch the other episodes(if you liked this to begin with), too, they`re great, if not better, than the first one shown here. A friend showed them to me and I`ve watched all of them at least twice XD Yes, I`m that bored. No, I don`t have a life.
...Telling the truth, or he just wants some crazy weird attention
I can`t prove what created us to be who we are today, I believe in Evolution, but where did the first molecule come from?
If science says that it is possible to create a single molecule from some sort of energy, then I have to ask "where did the lightning come from in the first place?" and then I have to ask "Why did the first molecules feel the need to separate and duplicate, what caused them to do this?"
Nothing can be answered "correctly" if it didn`t happen in recorded history. Someone may say that a supreme being has spoken to them, "showed them the way," and, though it MAY be true, I can`t really believe him because I`M NOT HIM.
but how am I to know he isn`t speaking the truth? Who am I to say that what I believe in is right, and this seemingly psychotic preacher is just crazy? There is the *SLIGHT* possibility that he is, in fact, Tellin
Pascal`s wager fails. Explained above.
Solution: Liger, Zorse, etc.
Also here is the logical argument that destroys pascal wager is this:
There is an INFINITE number of possible Gods which EACH say you cannot believe in another of these possible Gods; therefore, there is no point in believing a God, because the chances of picking the right one is roughly infinitely low, or 0%.
I cannot prove the existence of god, but I cannot dis-prove it either.
Who`s to say one religious group is right and everyone else is wrong? Why have a war based solely on opinion? Isn`t that all religion is?
It is in my mind, but in my mind I believe everyone`s religion is right... but that`s my opinion.
Let`s say one believes in god, and one believes that they`ve led their life by the book and they believe they are going to heaven. Good for them! you`re going to heaven, and it`s going to be just as they believed it would be. BUT, if one believes they are going to hell and eternal damnation, that`s where they`re going. Hell, if they think they`re going to the land of sweets and sugars, SO BE IT.
I can`t prove that A god (or many gods) exist, I cannot dis-prove it, therefore I live it. I`m in no rush to find out where I`m go
look at the complexity of animals in general, they are way to complex to have just randomly been that way
one more: i`m a catholic, there`s a message of peacewhat`s wrong with being peaceful??lets say there IS for a fact A GOD, you live a good life and are rewarded for eternity in heavenyou`re going to regret it for denying God completleyif there isin`t then you just led a good life, and that`s not a bad thing.
I hope that if there is a God (and there most likely is not), that it understands why I don`t believe in it. I have reason and logic.
Like flying pigs, invisible pink-unicorns, precambrian chickens, the flying spaghetti monster, a celestial teapot, Zeus, Hera, Thor, Satan, Allah, God, magic coins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, etc., and the list goes on.
If I recall correctly, in the vernacular of the moron pussy means coward. Now, how exactly am I a coward, troglodyte? Does intellect scare you? Go back to your cave, troll.
I`ll paraphrase a very good quote:
The point that a theist is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.
There is no proof that Zeus doesn`t exist, or perhaps Hera, or maybe even Thor. It`s obvious that these don`t exist in your mind, so why can`t you dismiss your own? You see the logic of why you are dismissing them...that`s the SAME logic I am using to dismiss your God. It`s totally absurd, and unecessary, and you know it.
There is no evidence for God in the entire universe. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.
Hahaha...this is great. The Flagellum motor can have 80% of its parts taken away and will still work.
Just watch this video, it will be easier to digest for your small-minded crap.
"Both deism and traditional Judeo-Christian-Islamic theism must also be contrasted with pantheism, the notion attributed to Baruch Spinoza (d. 1677) that the deity is associated with the order of nature or the universe itself. This also crudely summarizes the Hindu view and that of many indigenous religions around the world. When modern scientists such as Einstein and Stephen Hawking mention `God` in their writings, this is what they seem to mean: that God is Nature."
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
What he`s just done is misplace the burden of proof. While The problem with my example is that the giraffe has a specific place to be, that they could check to see if he is or he isn`t (while God, obviously, does not) but I think you can understand what I`m saying."
Reminded me of this:link
So who has to rpove what here?
So...as a Christian, who belive`s in a Deity you can not see, hear, or touch..a deity there is physically no proof of..you want us atheist to disprove that?
You totally misunderstand the true core being of an atheist anyway. We are not an organised religion, there is no underlying belief system in place. We simply do not belive in God.
I`ll take a logical stance thank you. There are more religions than just your`s. Your ignorance astounds me..your saying "Disprove God"...well..being as all the religions combined outn umber atheists, and all beliving in diffrent things (both modern and historical) I think your on a losing streak with your argument. I can not disprove your God, or any other Religion`s God or Gods...But there is not a shred of physical evidence to support any God. Just because the universe and all thats in it exists, it simply does not mean it was "created".So.We cant disprove God, Allah, Ganesha, Buddha, Zeus, Anubi
they can sit there and think they know there is no god not even a possibility of a god, and for whatever reasons in their head or life they came to that, i guess they can keep it.
its just i will not buy the words of anyone on face value, if you say soemthing, prove it to convince me.
An atheist would not say there isn`t a God if a theist never said there was one.
An ahtiest isn`t claiming anything out of the ordinary.
A theist, however, is.
A theist, though, is somehow exempt from having to prove there is a God merely because God is so good/omnipotent that merely saying he isn`t is a fallacy of logic.
Which isn`t the case.
no its not ad hom because i can substantiate the claim. it may be a sweepign generalazation thoug il lamdit, because i have in rare occasions seen debates where athiests do try to give evidence, circumstantial atleast, that there is no god.
so i apologize for the generalazation, however, in my experience a vast majority will simply state they have nothing to prove, that god doesnt exsist and thats that.
well, they may think that, but al lfacts need evidence, as i said before.
i hate when atheists say they dotn have to prove the non exsistance of god, when they actually do.
its simple fact.
just like global warming, soem say yes soem say 100% NO! well, nboth sides need to prove their claims.
the ones who dont are th eones who say " i dotn know!"
well, i think god/intellegent design can be an accepted proper scientific theory, but because atheists say 100% god doesnt exsist, well they do not want tp prove that.
all they say is " idiot god doesnt exist" they do not say " idiot god doesnt exists because x + y + n etc
but if you are claiming something is IMPOSSIBLE, like God, sure you dont have to prove it if you do not want, but what would make anyone believe that claim?
it simple woudl be opinion, not fact.
God isnt special with this, ANY fact that is touted as true, must be supported.
when NASA said pluto wa sno longer a planet, they had to PROVE it wasnt a planet.
even nasa, who has zero proof of aleins (as far as we know), because they tlel us this, do not exclude the possiblity, which is why they still search.
how is god differetn from aliens? if we truly cannot say " aliens do not exsist!" then we cnanot say " god doesnt exsist"
the problem lie sin atheists who swear up and down 100% they know for a fact there is no god, they will spread that and evangelize that statement yet bring no proof.
or even in this forum, hey im atheist, there is no god. ok, why
It is fine not to believe in God, or gods or anything up there, but its not fine to say they 100% do not exsist without giving me the benefit of your vast wisdom.
if the atheist truly knows one doesnt exsist, please let me in on that, so i stop wasting my time, you see?
but they cannot prove it, thus they must, to be honest, say they simply do not know or do not THINK there is one. thats different.
for flying monkeys, we do not believe because they have never been found, but I WILL NOT EXCLUDE THEM from exsistance 100%. that would be to near sighted, because i simply do not know everything.
look at all the things science thought dcould nto exsist, but do!
i am a flying monkey agnostic! because really, it may be possible, who knows?
now gettign back to the point, when an atheist says there exists 100% NO GOD. yet provide nothinig to prove it, that is the problem.
God may be possible, so their statement is confusing, that there is no god.
it isnt like the refridgerator man, who lights and unlights your fridge, we know now 100% fact that isnt true, nor isnt possible.
so, with god, to say " there 100% isnt a god" that is an extraordinary claim, because it would involve knowledge beyond our ability and beyond our natural world.that is liek me saying there isnt 1000000 paralell universes, i cant prove that!
its just a simple cocept, if you sate a fact (there is no flying monkeys or neve rhave been) you have to prove it.
Then he has to prove that it wasn`t historically accurate, so you claim that you have faith that it was, BAMM infinite logic loop.
prove there isnt or hasnt.
please give evidence to suport your claim.
see how ti works?
one is science itself, the flagullum cannot work without the WHOLE of its parts and LIFE AS WE KNOW IT cannot exsist without a working flagullum, tell me how can anything evolve or even create itself before it has a working flagullum. (aside from molecules ect)
this is one fact that i present has there being a creator, a God.
well, " god exsisting isnt empiracal fact" maybe true, but there is still evidence to support it, and with anything that is not directly reproducable or seen, yo uhave to marry the evidence with the best possible explanation, this is the work of intellect.
atheists refuse to do this. they wont even tell themselves why they dont think there is a god.
there whole process is "seeing is believing" prove it to me; which is fine, but that would be a nuetral stance, they have to accoutn for saying there isnt one 100%.thinks exssist whether you believe it or not, the most reasonable way to go about it is to say " im not sure until its proven"
which is a thousand miles better then saying " it doesnt exsist til you prove it" because now they must prove the non exsistance themselves.
But I`ve noticed none of your theories have included time travel. Why the hell not?
yo uare thinking of apathetic peopel who " simply do not care" one way or the other. they dont say there is a god or isnt a god.
atheists are far from this, even goign so far as to evangelize people into believing there isnt a god, yet giving no proof. (see richard dawkins)
you, or noone, can EVER change the rules, the rules of FACTS is that there MUST be proof, emprical or circumstantial evidence to support the claims.
no matter what yo usay, you will not change this.
i disahree highly, because if there is no god, and we are all random natural processess, than you are subject to the thoughts and desires that the biological explosions in your brain tell you to have, nothing more nothiing less. Yo uwould be an autonotom, a machine goign about its daily life without any control over those chemical messages and traits given to us by random processes.
now, why DO we have free will? because we were created that way, and given free will, choice.
this is the same boat as atheists, they state a 100% fact that there is no God, yet produce nothing to prove it.it is a fact that the earth is not flat, yet for a logn time, thats all a certain people believed, and when approached, they woudl say " prove the earth is not flat!" well, to correct them, they had to prove the earth was round.to correct theists, atheists have to prove there is no
Suppose someone is claiming there is a giraffe in their house. Now, you live in suburban Los Angeles, you`re quite sure there is no giraffe in his house, given the current evidence (LA, climate, space required to house giraffe etc) you feel that there cannot possibly be one. So you tell him he`s full of crap. He then replies to you, can YOU prove I don`t have one.
What he`s just done is misplace the burden of proof. While The problem with my example is that the giraffe has a specific place to be, that they could check to see if he is or he isn`t (while God, obviously, does not) but I think you can understand what I`m saying.
your hypocrisy astounds me.
christians created the scientific process, christians spread science and reason during the dark ages when most places were relying on superstition, not reason and order.
actually nearly all of the most important discoveries and inventions were created by religious people. gravity, pasturazation, anti-biotics, modern medicine, telephone, electricitak system, etc etc
im not syaing it is important who comes up with what, but its mere bigotry to say that religious people are stupid.
In the Christian faith, it makes very clear that the world is not under control by God. This will set off the religious baggage alarms for a lot of you, but the Bible illustrates that the world as the domain of Satan. We were given power on the earth, but we relinquished it through sin and gave it to evil; that`s partly what the Genesis story is about. It`s explaining the nature of the world we live in--all the pain and crap, we are living in enemy territory.
For instance, during the temptation of Jesus in the desert, Satan offers him power over all the kingdoms of earth, human authoritative kingdoms as well as the natural kingdoms. Jesus doesn`t call him out and say, "that belongs to God already". Instead, he acknowledges that Satan is in fact the king over these.
it is that simple.
now you can be intellectually honest and admit yo udo not have any proof, and therefore you are NOT SURE if there is a God or not, this is acceptable.
However, if yo uare so sure there is no God, prove it.
as for evolution, not a single scientist, biologist, or any such person in the field can even give a partial step by step procedure of one species changing into another. thus, a lot of faith goes into this philosophy, started ( actually borrowed from a greek philosopher who came up with the idea of species changing into other species) by a non scientist who merely put pieces together by what he seen with his eyes, not scientific process.It is beyond the scope of this board to prove God here, but it can be done, even with science theory.
Religion is called faith because you have to have FAITH in that what you believe is true despite the lack of evidence. That`s the whole difference between Science and Religion
Science gives you the facts. Religion tells you "No, there isn`t any real proof except for your own spirituality."
Here`s how we make everyone happy. You can believe in your religion. Be happy. You, yourself, and your spirituality and beliefs, HAVE FAITH that you are correct. You don`t force this on anyone else, because they have a different belief and spirituality.Problem solved?
Umm why would you be praying for me? I dont need to be prayed for.
icklevamp: Science is something that constantly re-examines itself. It is built on fact and Theory. Most theory`s have a lot of evidence to support them (such as the theory of evolution)..plenty of data to confirm the theory but just not enough yet to confirm it as factual. Religion relys on faith alone. That is the diffrence. You say "learn before you judge" but thats a little silly to say dont you think? think about it. The Universe and all that is in it..Science sets out to discover the answers. Religion (any one you choose) has it all laid it with the answers ready to read.
Brant167: Your right..pointless..but still people should discuss it. Education and discussion is the only way forward..Unless of course you can start a holy war and just wipe out the opposition..history lesson anyone?..
And one other thing - to say that science and religion are equal is complete horse crap, since science is based empirical evidence, whereas religion is based on belief. Really, it`s not the same thing.
Thats exactly the sort of answer I expected from someone living in Southern US..Bible belt USA! I suggest you take a tour of the world. Go spend a week in Dehli or tour Angola..anywhere that takes you away from the comfort of your own mind..then comeback and say "All prayers are answered". I never have been religous...but I`ve seen things that make me belive there certainly isnt a God..or as I said before, if there is, he couldnt care less.
Seriously...No prayers are answered ever!
I`ve made my choice, and you can make (or have made) yours.
And I think ggolbez is right... my choice.
Thats all I`m going to say
To many religions, to many unanswered prayers, no physical proof (no the bible is not proof)...I think "organised" religion is thought control of the highest degree...Had this debate so many times..nothing is gonna change..There is only one solution too...God/Allah/whoever shows up and sorts us atheist/agnostic outs..Not appearing will not change anyone who has faith. Logic wins for me everytime!
To say that only dumb people have religion and smart people do not is a flawed statement from a perfect example of a moron.