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    buddy Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2007 at 12:42 am
    Link: Humans are Natural Born Runners - How long distance running is important to the human race.
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    Icel3lade Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 2:15 am
    “Humans are terrible athletes in terms of power and speed, but we’re phenomenal at slow and steady. We’re the tortoises of the animal kingdom,” Lieberman said.

    Uhh...aren`t Tortoises part of the animal kingdom already...

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    sogpop09 Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 2:16 am
    I`d like to see more of this scientific stuff on here. I don`t have cable tv anymore...I miss the Discovery Channel!
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    wings1313 Female 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 2:18 am
    lolol to ice`s comment......it was too long i couldn`t read it....... i would rather search for something more interesting
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 2:32 am
    This is the best part for me:

    "Most animals would develop hyperthermia — heat stroke in humans — after about 10 to 15 kilometers"

    So all I need to do to get my prehistoric sub sandwich with extra gazelle is run for 15k?! :-o - easier to make a net and catch a fish!

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 2:37 am
    “We can run in conditions that no other animal can run in,” Lieberman said.

    So, remember kids, the next time you need a meal in the desert, chase a rabbit! He can`t run from you!!

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    jebler Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 3:20 am
    im reluctant to believe that.
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    PC-Player Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 3:35 am
    This was an interesting read for me, though for many this is going to be boooooring. The theory combines several human characteristics (muscle structure, breathing, and sweating) to explain survival of human species. Whether this theory is write or wrong, we might never know, but it is always useful to consider all explanations.
    The argument that humans` advantage was just a well developed brain which eventually allowed making tools, is insufficient to me, though i`m not qualified enough to judge human evolution. The theory seems plausible enough, even though some arguments are rather weak: humans are the only species that voluntarily attends marathons - so what? Humans challenge themselves in lots of different ways and not just sports!).
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    R_U_Kidding Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 4:37 am
    "humans are the only species that voluntarily attends marathons - so what?"
    PC-Player, the point is other animals don`t do that; that quality is unique to humanity, and that`s how it may provide a clue to our evolution.
    As the article says: "Even nature’s best animal distance runners — such as horses and dogs — will run similar distances only if forced to do so, and the startling evidence is that humans are better at it, Lieberman said."
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    chibipluto Female 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 4:42 am
    Icel3lade: Gosh dangit, you beat me to it! :P
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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 5:27 am
    I like watching those white chicks at the gym running their fool asses off on a stupid treadmill. How much did that gym membership cost? Why not just stop eating crap food you ho bag?

    Evolution is not a fact it`s a theory.

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    WhereDidItGo Male 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:42 am
    "We`re the tortises of the animal kingdom."
    No TORTISES are the tortises of the animal kingdom.
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    Anhur Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:47 am
    "Evolution is not a fact it`s a theory."

    There are many theories in the world. The theory of gravity. The theory of relativity. The theory of plate tectonics. Atomic theory. A great many. Theories are quite useful, it would seem. They allow us to describe and attempt to predict the behavior of the universe according to our observations, and can be modified as our understanding is refined. As Stephen Jay Gould wrote, "Einstein`s theory of gravitation replaced Newton`s, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome." I have no idea where this animosity towards theories comes from.

    Very interesting article. I can`t help but think that it really could be quite effective in an ancient landscape to simply spook large game, tracking them and keeping them in sight until they collapse from exhaustion or let themselves be cornered.

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    Kiger Female 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 8:15 am
    I didn`t read it but, lots of animals have to learn to walk and run right out of their mother, such as caribou, gazzel, wildebeest, and so on, we take a year (usually or more) to learn..so we are weak.
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    benjbenj Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2007 at 9:09 am
    I hate running long distances. I`m afraid I`m not human.
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    quedas Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 9:16 am
    "Evolution is not a fact it`s a theory"

    LOL - and I just saw the hand of God pushing me down to the Earth and preventing me from drifting aimlessly into space. Damn it... there goes another "theory"...

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    Natzz- Female 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 9:43 am
    Devi3000: You like watching girls running on treadmills at gyms? Each to their own, i guess.
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 10:28 am
    Still find it hard to believe we beat horses... those were meant to trot on forever! Oh, and did anyone else laugh at Homo Erectus?
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    Mr_Sir Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 10:53 am
    I beat horses CheeseMan. I beat-off horses all day long.
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 2:07 pm
    evolution is a theory. that is because it can`t be proven as a law. if we can in fact run well, it was because the Lord made us that way.

    haha cheeseman - homo erectus is funny. i didn`t pick up on that until you said it lol

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    misscutieroo Female 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 2:51 pm
    "Homo erectus" ???
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    ImNoGod Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 4:07 pm
    I like watching those white chicks at the gym running their fool asses off on a stupid treadmill. How much did that gym membership cost? Why not just stop eating crap food you ho bag?

    Evolution is not a fact it`s a theory.

    Your making fun of people who run? You should try it. Maybe it will burn that fat surrounding your brain.

    Plus Evolution is Scientific fact, which means it`s the most supported theory. Therefore, Evolution is fact, and theory.

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    YOUREWINNER Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 5:07 pm
    Would it be a bad thing that I am a terrible terrible runner?
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    angrib0b Male 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 5:25 pm
    "Humans are the tortises of the animal kingdom." That`s the stupidest thing I`ve heard all week.

    Well, maybe cheeseman1 ties.

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    SlippySanta Male 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 5:53 pm
    I can run a mile in under six minutes! Pwned!
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    evanking Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 6:21 pm
    now i know why we run.
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    Shalar Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 6:45 pm
    If animals competed more often in races (consciously) they could probably beat us.
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    eleutherarch Female 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:07 pm
    So why do I suck at running? Even if I jog slowly I still get really tired. I better just stick to swimming.
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    sunwavewind Female 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:36 pm
    I run everyday. I don`t know if it`s because of evolution, I think it`s more the high it gives me.
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    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:46 pm
    "There are many theories in the world. The theory of gravity. The theory of relativity. The theory of plate tectonics. Atomic theory. A great many. Theories are quite useful, it would seem. They allow us to describe and attempt to predict the behavior of the universe according to our observations, and can be modified as our understanding is refined. As Stephen Jay Gould wrote, "Einstein`s theory of gravitation replaced Newton`s, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome." I have no idea where this animosity towards theories comes from."
    "Plus Evolution is Scientific fact, which means it`s the most supported theory. Therefore, Evolution is fact, and theory."
    i hate it when people try to justify evolution by saying its not "jus a theory"
    sure, its a "scientific fact", but thats all it is. what makes you so sure gravity ISNT the had of God holding things together? the fact is you DONT, and no amount of
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    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:47 pm
    "I run everyday. I don`t know if it`s because of evolution, I think it`s more the high it gives me."
    on a less serious note, THAT AN UNEALTHY DEPENDANCY! we must get you to rehabilitation!
    sorry, it just sounds funny that way.
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    Woot45 Female 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:55 pm
    Evolution is a theory with so many flaws that nobody has proved yet...
    For instance, there are certain organisms and cells that have 5 or more different parts that work as a whole, take away one and it doesnt work. According to evolution, if you evolve something useless, natural selection weeds you out and you die. You dont evolve 6 different parts at once that work together.

    So, they either form out of a puddle of your magical amino acids, or they were created that way.


    Even if this comment is idiodic, based on propoganda, etc, etc. There are still lots more unproven things. Including how something formed out of nothing. You have your theories on that too, but .... seriously....think about it. something out of nothing just doesn`t happen without some kind of God...

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    Woot45 Female 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 7:55 pm
    Anyway, theres more of us than you. BWAAAAAHAHAHA!
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    RadRockette Female 13-17
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    April 19, 2007 at 8:42 pm
    wow
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 9:04 pm
    So devi I`m curious, how much did you pay for your membership to go to the gym and watch the girls run....and why are you there in the first place?

    Just buy a girls gone wild and stop making excuses.

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    Jaiess Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 10:10 pm
    "Evolution is not a fact it`s a theory."

    You know, I could explain how that statement is fundamentally imbecilic for the complete lack of understanding of what a scientific theory is. I could also elaborate on the blind duck speak-esque quality of that statement, used as a blind defense when one cannot think of anything useful to say. I could even go so far as to explain why the senselessness behind even trying to use that as a valid argument in ANY context.
    But, I`m not.
    Instead, let me say this:

    Evolution is a theory, but God doesn`t even have that much.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 10:59 pm
    ^^
    You can`t prove or disprove either, jackass. And monkeys throw sh*t and climb trees. How do we now have an article saying that we evolved as runners when we were descended from tree climbing sh*t-flingers? Climbing and throwing feces wouldn`t help with running, but to not build upon the climbing and sh*t-throwing properties of the monkey would be wasteful of the evolutionary process. A process that is infalliable, according to you.....wait....you didn`t even say anything. Hot air motherf*cker.
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    Jaiess Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 11:21 pm
    Okay, other than being behaving like a Jack Russell terrier jumping up and down like you need to be let out, trying to attack evolution (and I`m assuming through that, myself) with with your oh-so-clever censorship, and claiming that fecal hurling has anything to do with this; you have a point. I didn`t say this process was infallible, only Catholics have the balls to say something is always right. All I was saying is that attacking evolution by saying "it`s just a theory" is stupid, infantile, and fundamentally invalid. Especially in face of the fact that their alternative has no scientific standing.

    Whether or not I`m full of hot air, at least I can maintain rationality.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2007 at 11:36 pm
    `Attacking` evolution by saying it`s just a theory is fine, because it is just a theory. The next time you take a break from your hot air and doublespeak to rationalize, come to grips with this. You`ll be a better person for it. Besides I didn`t really see any attack, just recognition of the fact that it is just a theory. Which it is. Jackass.
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    DoughnutBoy Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2007 at 12:08 am
    ha, i like running myself
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    DoughnutBoy Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2007 at 12:09 am
    i can run a mile in 5:40 slippy, its nothing special, once you run a mile in 4 minutes, then you have something to brag about
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    DoughnutBoy Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2007 at 12:11 am
    ""I run everyday. I don`t know if it`s because of evolution, I think it`s more the high it gives me."
    on a less serious note, THAT AN UNEALTHY DEPENDANCY! we must get you to rehabilitation!
    sorry, it just sounds funny that way."

    haha! I saw one of those "truth" smoking commircials and there was a guy to went to an addiction center who said he was addicted to running and they wouldnt accept him

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    Jaiess Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 12:11 am
    Yes, it`s a theory. I`ve never denied that. I`ve even said it is a theory, that`s a fact.
    But it`s more than Jesus, Allah, and Vishnu have going for them.

    The sad part is, I suppose I have myself to blame for inciting you. Usually, I wouldn`t even bother, but I suppose the boredom got to me. Of course, I`ve enjoyed you assuming, for some reason or another, I`m full of hot air. I mean, that`s logical considering that I breathe air and my body temperature has been floating about 99 degrees lately (I have a bit of a fever), but that has no bearing on anything. But I am offended by you making the insinuation that I`m guilty of double speak.
    Of course, if you were to rationalize, as you insist I should, then you`d realize that evolution is a lot more sensible than God breathing life into dirt.
    Regardless, I`m done with this conversation, I usually have more sense than to start in the first place.
    Oh, and my name`s Jeffery. Not Jackass; but you were close.
    Cheers mate, try

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 12:14 am
    Just remember, Darwin himself said that evolution and God can clearly co-exist. I believe him.

    Amazing how evolutionists kinda swept that one under the carpet...

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    DoughnutBoy Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2007 at 12:16 am
    Im on a replying spree...sorry
    "All I was saying is that attacking evolution by saying "it`s just a theory" is stupid"

    How is saying it is a theory attacking it? It is a theory, there is no indefinite proof. There are only some supporting facts. I`m not saying its wrong, its just not a proven fact. If he was attack it by saying it`s not a fact, then you are attacking him by saying it`s not a theory.

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    DoughnutBoy Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2007 at 12:19 am
    "Just remember, Darwin himself said that evolution and God can clearly co-exist. I believe him."

    That is exactly what I believe, I`m Agnostic by the way. I think some kind of "God", or Higher Being, Created us, but we have evolved from the origional creation. Nice point out, I never knew Darwin actually said that. It`s something I have just started looking into.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 1:01 am
    @Jaiess
    Assumptions abound in your posts as well, look for them. At least my assumptions were made for derogatory reasons instead of nursing my intellectual superiority complex. As far as hot air, your entire first post was an overly verbose means of calling someone stupid for no reason. You double speak in that you call someone stupid and then say they are right with a bit too much filler to disguise your backpedaling. In fact, damn near everything you have written just tells me you are typing to type with little to no emphasis on a point.
    It`s been a pleasure, jacka....Jeffery.
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    Varifael Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 1:45 am
    People are the tortioses o` the animal kingdom? `tis a funny statement.

    I don`t believe anyone living can say whether God exists or not. Something happened a long while ago, and things existed somehow. Unless you`re some all-knowing being, we only have theories and science to TRY to explain how things work, and why things are the way they are. Science might not always be right, and there`s not really any evidence proving or disproving God, so it`s a bit useless arguing who is right in this day and age.

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    Anhur Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 2:33 am
    A point could use clarification here. In science, "theory" usually means a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena. Theories are formed from observations to attempt to offer future predictions. Evolutionary theories attempt this. What I am confused about is what the theory of creationism is supposed to predict.

    Now, if you want to argue that *nothing* can ever be proven, well, that`s a philosophical point and not easily debatable, but it also seems to require you to throw out almost all higher mathematics.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 2:34 am
    So it`s more sensible to believe that somehow (randomly) a "big bang" occurred and formed a planet with an atmosphere which over a series of events formed a pool of "sludge" which from live evolved, completely randomly. And from that randomly evolved life came life as we know it today.

    I disagree. If any of this occurred I believe it was simply God (chose your own God to fill in the entity) using this method to see a means to justify an end (or goal).


    But as soon as you can show me manuscripts predating any other literature in reference to Higher powers, then I`ll read it. Till then I`ll read my Bible, Koran, etc. take your pick.

    To attack `higher powers,` specifically God in this instance, by stating it isn`t even a theory is in your own words "...stupid, infantile, and fundamentally invalid." Since scientific evidence has risen to support specific instances in the Bible.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 2:37 am
    Jeffery you have a lot to learn when it comes to discussions or in your case attempting to "sound" intelligent.

    Next time, do some research, make sure what you`re saying is right and don`t chase your own tail in an argument. You say you should have more sense than to start the conversation but your lack of sense is too painfully obvious to ignore or cover up. Stop trying.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 2:46 am
    "What I am confused about is what the theory of creationism is supposed to predict."

    Nothing. It`s not a theory, it`s a belief. It has to prove or predict nothing. Take it as it is, or don`t take it.

    Not insulting here, so don`t go down that road.

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    Anhur Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 5:01 pm
    If belief is the acceptance of an idea without proof, how do you choose which idea to believe?

    I`m not trying to insult. I`m attempting to see if I can get some sort of Platonic dialogue going.

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    Gunit1 Female 13-17
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    April 20, 2007 at 5:07 pm
    Running is actually REALLY REALLY bad for you actually it`s SOOOOOO bad for after 50 years you could most likely DIE of heart failer, lung disease,or blood clots.
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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 5:43 pm
    "If belief is the acceptance of an idea without proof, how do you choose which idea to believe?"

    You choose. It is your belief, after all. Your mind, your soul, your choice. I don`t think that answers your question, but it is better than the one-word `faith` I could`ve used.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 5:49 pm
    Glad you corrected that Ninja, I was just going to say "Faith is the ability to believe without reservation that of which you have no proof."

    Quote I read years and years ago.

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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 5:49 pm
    oh and PS: Guint, you`re and idiot.
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    Anhur Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 6:12 pm
    But if belief is personal choice without the requirement of proof, would it not be hypocritical of a believer to deride the opinions of others, whether they be beliefs or theories? After all, if your argument requires no proof and is fundamentally self-evident in its correctness, why would mine be any different? Thus wouldn`t all beliefs be correct in this way? And if not, if one belief can be more correct than another, what is the criteria for choosing the stronger argument?
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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 6:55 pm
    The answer to the first question is typical `I`m right you`re wrong kiss my ass` humanity. That will never change. The second question cannot be answered without resorting to the answer to the first question. Third is yes. Fourth is faith and that depends on the individual.

    On a side note, I haven`t derided the opinion of others when they approach this subject inquisitively rather than militantly, which is why I`m not calling you a jackass.

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    Anhur Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 7:21 pm
    I guess for the fourth quesiton "conviction" would have been equally appropriate as a response. Since you answered that all beliefs can be equally correct if looked at this way I guess we have nowhere to go from here now that we`ve seen the fundamental difference of opinion we have about the necessity of proof.
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    swift_yelmut Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2007 at 7:34 pm
    Religion has it`s place in a society just as science does. it does not really prove anything, but it still seems to allow people to have a purpose: heaven or a greater good. because if you devote your life to others, you still die and so do they, if you devote your life to ambition then whatever empire you form will someday callapse. it`s all quite pointless, actually. but with religion there is hope that evil is punished and being good and living a good life is rewarded. that is agreeable, but i for one will never bow to anything that doesnt come down here itself. but i respect others that choose too. the only time this is not valid is when they use violent force and become the evil they want to punish in an attempt to find favour in thier respective god`s eyes. that is. . . such a waste of human life.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 8:20 pm
    all that talk of evidence, yet teh article doesn;t give a shred of it. typical of modern naturalistic tendencies to make poo up and call it science.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 8:27 pm
    there is evidence of speciation/adaption, but not one species into another. there is evidence of creation, such as the flagullum, which cannot work unless its fully formed, thus life had to have been created as a whole, not slowly over time. there is more but its beyond the scope of this arena, which doesn`t lend itself to dicussion very well.
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    Anhur Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2007 at 9:50 pm
    Actually, they kind of did specify evidence. Thins like the ability to sweat and breathe from of our mouths (unique to the animal kingdom and specially suited for this task). The note that Australian Aborigines (our best living link to ancient human methods) still use this kind of hunting and are successful at it for the same reasons postulated in the article. If you don`t like the theory, the neat thing about them is that you can give counter-theories, and unless we can disprove yours or yours gives no help in predicting what we`re discussing in the future, we either have to abandon our theory or modify it. As for your flagellum argument, what theory says the first organic life on Earth had to have fully developed flagella or could not have developed it? And how can there possibly be evidence of speciation but not of one species into another? That`s the *definition* of speciation.
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    DrugMunky Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2007 at 9:49 am
    How did you fools jump from debating whether our endurance came from evolution to debating religious beliefs? I found the article interesting, although I`m sure there must be other animals with better endurance than us.

    Wolves? Buffalo?

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    leshark Male 13-17
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    September 10, 2007 at 1:16 pm
    yup its true humans are naturally built for running that is why u lose more weight by walking instead of running (take notes fat peeps)

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