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But then, nothing would help you get your point across.
This document is not enough to make (me) think all the stuff on 911 is almost like that document.
Let us know when you will be a guest speaker on Rosie O`Donnell`s "The View".
Gee, talk about "Loose Change".
Popular Mechanics OBVIOUSLY has ties to the Bush administration - that`s the only possible reason, isn`t it?
It`s a pretty cool dream world you`re living in. I wonder how far in life you`ll go when you put out an unfounded and ludicrous theory and then say that the people who disagree with it are in on the whole thing. Good luck in your adult years, I bet your personality is going to go down great at work, home, etc.
shows photographs of building during collapse i wonder why the hell it did collapse like that your link proves it.
Hey look mah! Photos of plane parts and body parts!
People seems to underestimate the shear amount of Energy a moving object at that speed + Fuel has. Planes are made to fly, not survive head on collisions.
By the way, that site has a lot of information on what evidence is missing and what exists today.
By the way GoldenArms, you`re quite the piece of work. I`m not arguing with you, cause that will be like politely asking a brick wall to move. This is my first and last posting, later.
THOMAS E. WHITE, Bush`s Secretary of the Army, had been Vice-Chairman of Enron Energy Service, and held millions in Enron stock.
KARL ROVE, Presidential Advisor, owned as much as $250,000 of Enron stock.
LARRY LINDSAY, Economic Advisor, leapt straight from Enron to his current White House job.
ROBERT B. ZOELLICK, Federal Trade Representative, ditto above.
HARVEY PITTS, SEC Chairman, was handpicked by Kenneth Lay for the position, due to his notorious aversion to governmental regulation of any kind.
DONALD RUMSFELD, Defense Secretary, together with 31 Bush administration officials had a line item for Enron in their stock portfolio. The woebegone corporation held, and continues to hold, enormous influence over the day-to-day machinations of Federal government policy. Was Bush`s recent gutting of t
Well my times said in the previous post are utterly wrong, but it still isn`t convincing at all.
We see 20 seconds of a side view of the Pentagon, a car passes the camera, very slowly due to such a poor frame rate. Then about halfway in, the nose of a thin, silver object appears, pointing towards the building out of the corner of the picture. The next frame is the explosion, and no evidence of anything entering the Pentagon at high speed...no silver object seen in previous frame, just the explosion.
It just looks like a rushed out scapegoat to me, i`ll have a look for it.
I respect their opinion, but I just want mine to be respected all the same, even if you don`t agree with it.
I`m missing the point because i`m not trying to hit the point in the first place.
I`m only reading this thread because you`re still reading and replying to my posts, and i`m not one to roll over and let people sh*t on me thinking they`ve won. I don`t like winning the argument either, but I just want to resolve this so that we come to some kind of agreement.
What of my illiteracy? A typo of "becaome" in my second post? Oh no, I may as well drop out of college and get a job as a fast food resturant cleaner. Ease off, for crying out loud.
Bottom line, I don`t care enough about 9/11 to read/listen to all the evidence you`ve presented me with, GoldenArms. And if you want to argue further, be my guest but i`ll only keep saying "it was my opinion, and you can`t do anything about that".
Thanks but no thanks, mate. This has been interesting.
1. I don`t care to redeem myself of being "ignorant" in any way. I made my point, my personal opinion. If you think i`m ignorant, go ahead, just don`t take me up on something that wasn`t intended to be raised in the first place.
2. No. It isn`t fair to stand on someone because of their age, is it? It`s idiotic, so you should avoid doing so in future. And just because i`m in that margin, it doesn`t mean i`m an uneducated fat little 13 year old. I`m a 17 year old british student, so is it any wonder than i`m not too arms in the air about 9/11 anyway?
listen to this guy, its audio so you guys dont have to read.
Besides, you can`t really do a conspiracy theory about a rape case, without looking like a bit of a fool.
Then come back and say what you read.
I`m f*cking bored of the 9/11 stuff now, stop kicking the dead donkey and confirm the simple fact that it happened, there`s nothing we can do about it, and that even if a conspiracy theory turned out to be CORRECT, America would take little to no action on it.
No one is debating that. They have a right to say whatever they want, but we all have the same right to call them idiots.
Also, "Simple truth is America was attacked by terrorists. Accept it... there are legions of individuals in this world who simply do not like the freedoms that Americans (and others) live and have died for."
I have to disagree with you on that, Islamic extremists don`t hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because we are not Islamic extremists. In their minds, they didn`t fly planes into buildings full of freedom-loving Americans, they flew them into buildings full of Jews. Same reason they hate Isreal.
Anyway, Kyle gets all frustrated and just shouts out to President Bush saying "So if you`re behind the conspriracy theories, who really pulled off 9/11?!"
"A bunch of pissed off Muslims. Any retard knows that!"
Also, I was at the Pentagon the on Sep. 12. You don`t need to believe me, I really don`t care one way or another.
That`s your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions... ;-)
Also... Never let the FACTS get in the way of a good argument.
At any rate, I care Lefever!
I read the original Popular Science article on 9/11 and, while there was lots of interesting empirical evidence shown, the most interesting part for me was a short blurb on the psychology of conspiracy theories. People are, for the most part, scared, predictable, pathetic creatures. The idea that a single, pissed of man can put a bullet in the leader of our country, for example, is terrifying. To counteract this fear people have a tendency of making the events bigger than they actually were so that a repeat occurrence is, in their minds, absolutely impossible.
just think if they brought back to life all the people that were killed in that plane crash what would they say? they gave up there lives for other average people like those two who dont even appreicate it and call it "a lie."
You hit the perverbial nail on the head; I just wish you were wrong.
"You Can`t Handle The Truth!"
Simple truth is America was attacked by terrorists. Accept it... there are legions of individuals in this world who simply do not like the freedoms that Americans (and others) live and have died for.
Live in America and can`t accept that? Then why the HELL are you still here?
In my opinion, the simplest answer is that there is no conspiracy.
Plus, like Maddox said, if there was a conspiracy they`d have CIA whacked that Loose Change guy`s dumb ass before the thing even propogated across the net.
I don`t know what to make of 9/11, too much bullpoo left, right n centre, and frankly I no longer give a damn. Fact of the matter is, we live in a messed up world.
Call me a hippy, but the world should be all about peace and love.
Quite frankly, im amazed at the composure of the sane people in the room, if I had been the balding fella (cant remember his name :)) repeatedly being called a liar id have glassed the drater...
....I hate it with a passion.
"THe official explanation is that they melted in the fire caused by the jetfuel"
No its not the official explanation is they broke apart with the massive forces of impact. planes arent as strong as some consipracy theorists seem to think :/
YOU ARE A FU<KING IDIOT. PERIOD.
Those loose change guys are idiots.
It`s amazing how real journalists expose these dudes. Y`know...by interviewing sources and conducting proper research.
Oh...but Popular Mechanics is a "Hearst `yellow journal` " that propagates "government lies."
"well it was..."
snickering like a nine year old.
what a tool. these guys are so convinced that they`re right, and can`t be proven wrong
the loose change guys have nothing going for them and are totally unprofessional. they could have at least put on nice clothing.
don`t believe in everything you see, unless it has some validity in it. loose change is not valid.
Well, let`s see...the US has the world`s largest GDP (not per capita, but absolute: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_united_states]Link[/url]), which means we`re the richest. And most powerful is merely an observation of the power our military has, not to mention the power that the world`s largest economy has!
So, what you just said? We call that ignorance.
Anyway, anyone who believes in a 9/11 conspiracy has a serious disconnect with reality. Get help, cause you have a problem.
That really made me laugh ^^ not all americans think their gouvernement is all mighty, but a freaking bunch does.
we call it "hiding your head in the sand" ^^*
Now notice keeping about the same weight (viper to corvette), and doubling the speed, you get FOUR TIMES the destructive power, when you have 2x the speed in a similar acicdent.
So take the first car and multiply that by half a million and you get what happened to the planes. Then these ideos say you can`t see them! At a factor of 4 you can BARELY destinguish a car, start adding in debris from a building and multiply by half a million, AND add fire:
There is NO conspiracy. Just sad lonely people who want to prove something, but have nothing to prove at all.
Everyone has motif to do everything. It`s common sense and human nature that we dont. For example I could stand up, rip off my pants, and run yelling through the halls at school right now, nothing stopping me right? But I dont for some reason.
Now that I mention it though, brb.
And loose change guys were never saying there was no planes crashed into the towers...they were talking about the plane at the pentagon and the one that was crashed into the ground supposedly...which didnt leave one piece of debris despite an expert saying it shold definitely have left something behind...i consider myself fairly clever and my view is its all about money and i think bush organised this to go to war with iraq and afghanistan and steal a bit of oil....his family business
"THEN WHY DID THEY SPEND A KAJILLION DOLLARS ADDING CELL PHONE TOWERS TO THE TOP OF A PLANE?!?!?!?!?! THATS ALL LIES!"
Wow. Those two college guys are drattards.
It`s Hearst, as in Hearst Media, as in connections with Fox Networks, as in me likey Bush! I have no fixed opinion on the debate at hand, but i just wanted to clarify that.
I think the reasons that "Loose Change" has become so well known, in spite of it`s shortcommings, are first, it was firs. I believe that it`s first version was the, or at least one of the first video theories that did not agree with the official explination. Also, I think, "Loose Change" tends to get more publicity because news stations see them as hot headed rebels that they can rip on and entertain their audience.
I really hope people will look at other documentaries on sites li
And you believe that they found some hijackers after 9-11 alive just because they said so on the loonies` video?You naive fool!
@groogle: You make some connections which don`t have to mean anything! Those are no arguments!
Some other things: Those Loose Change idiots suggest, that there was no plane!BUT THERE ARE RECORDINGS OF TWO PLANES CRASHING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS!And now explain me, how you are supposed to crash two plains in a way, that it would cause the WTC to "feel" in a "Pancake Collapse" way!Talking about it, it where just two towers, so I`m not going to believe your "facts" anyway, if you don`t know that, even!
And they also suggest that the passengers were brought somewhere else BUT WHERE ARE THEY NOW, THEN, HUH?!?
i feel the biggest theory is the explosions in the towers as they fell....note what that fat pig in the penn and teller vid says when the conspiracy man says "they`re explosions" he says OKthats some argument....just say OK
i personally believe some of the things in the loose change video,like that some of the hijackers were found alive and well and taking flying lessons AFTER 9-11...that suggests to me these men were picked on purpose bcos they were arabs and taking flying lessons....the idea that passports were found belonging to dead hijackers is silly...me and my friends make passports perfectly to get into nightclubs and bars...as if the government of america could`nt !
And i got bored after a minute. This site is i-am-bored, not get-me-bored.
Could you cite some reliable evidence to support this, or are you going to just assume we`re going to believe you?
The 3 towers felt all the same way "Pancake collapse" that alone should raise a series of questions.
This is from wikipedia
After obtaining an MBA from Harvard University (Bush is the only U.S. President to serve holding a Master of Business Administration degree), Bush entered the oil industry in Texas.
That quote alone should give you a big hint as to what`s to come in the future. His debate over whether global warming is manmade or naturally caused is irrelevent... we need take actions.
Almost 1000 ch
Jason- he started so aggressive kus they pointed out their faults in their THEORIES. Anyways they were smooth but a bit too aggressive.
My opinion: It wasnt an accident but with people like the ones from Loose Change representing that point of view the idea is going to look ridiculous and stupid by all means. Wich isnt true at all.
These kids have nothing to go on. theyer just hoping someone will pay attention to them. If the government wanted to carry out a conspiarcy like this they wouldnt make the kind of mistakes these kids are claiming. there would be too much at stake. There is no conspiracy. just these sad poorly educated
Instead of "Popular Mechanics try to debunk 9/11 myths."
Why not say it exactly as it is...
"Popular Mechanics lay the intellectual smack-down on a bunch of paranoid internet geeks".
Loose Change? Oh please. If the people behind LC think their misleading pseudo-science is going to convince anyone with a reasonable mind, they are sadly mistaken.
"I like to thank you for letting us come on and address the governments lies as well as Popular Mechanics which is a hurst [wtf is a hurst?], yellow journalism publication; lies as well."
Starting off a logical debate with the ad hominem of "They lie and suck. Listen to us" doesn`t bode well. The government may have orchestrated 9/11, but at least there not jerks!
My biggest `evidence` is that Bush had motif to do something like this. That`s what -really- bothers me.
...that we made.