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184 Responses to 9/11 Loose Change Debate

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    buddy Male 30-39
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    April 11, 2007 at 11:50 pm
    Link: 9/11 Loose Change Debate - Popular Mechanics try to debunk 9/11 myths.
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    thewabbit Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:20 am
    lol... those popular mechanics guys were ready to rape some college idiots.
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    thewabbit Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:23 am
    `don`t believe us, go to ... and watch the video`

    ...that we made.

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:26 am

    I don`t like the attitude and the constant `liars` comments from the Loose Change folks, and some of the things they`re saying are awful black-and-white, however.. Popular Mechanics isn`t doing a good job debunking.

    Hm.

    My biggest `evidence` is that Bush had motif to do something like this. That`s what -really- bothers me.

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    thewabbit Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:28 am
    agreed. someone should tell them that the best way to be convincing is not to snort and shake your head whenever the other side says something. that was like watching children argue.
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    PanicOver Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:36 am
    Man, those loose change guys really came off as idiots.

    "I like to thank you for letting us come on and address the governments lies as well as Popular Mechanics which is a hurst , yellow journalism publication; lies as well."

    Starting off a logical debate with the ad hominem of "They lie and suck. Listen to us" doesn`t bode well. The government may have orchestrated 9/11, but at least there not jerks!

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    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:39 am
    I think the whole title for the video needs to be re-done.

    Instead of "Popular Mechanics try to debunk 9/11 myths."

    Why not say it exactly as it is...

    "Popular Mechanics lay the intellectual smack-down on a bunch of paranoid internet geeks".

    Loose Change? Oh please. If the people behind LC think their misleading pseudo-science is going to convince anyone with a reasonable mind, they are sadly mistaken.

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    bromley1 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:47 am
    Those kids sounded like IDIOTS! they had nothing reasonable to back up what they are saying, and hadnt spoken to any experts. They werent even listening fully to what the Popular Mechanics guys were saying so that they could form a good rebuttal (like with the cell phones from the air thing. The popular mechanics guys said that there were dropped calls all the time and the cell phones worked, albeit poorly, and then the kid freaks out "if they worked so good why did ameriacn airlines improve the system"?) They didnt work so good jackass, thats what the guy just said! if youre going to have a proper debate at least listen to the other side so that you can form a good rebuttal.

    These kids have nothing to go on. theyer just hoping someone will pay attention to them. If the government wanted to carry out a conspiarcy like this they wouldnt make the kind of mistakes these kids are claiming. there would be too much at stake. There is no conspiracy. just these sad poorly educated

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    bromley1 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:48 am
    kids
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    Brian 61316 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:00 am
    if i were a detective i said:
    Unfinished sentences are a shure sign of guilt and to use words like uum between them points out he`s making parts up. I say parts kus hes eyes dont look at a position where it would be a lie.Thats for James from popular mechanics.

    Jason- he started so aggressive kus they pointed out their faults in their THEORIES. Anyways they were smooth but a bit too aggressive.

    My opinion: It wasnt an accident but with people like the ones from Loose Change representing that point of view the idea is going to look ridiculous and stupid by all means. Wich isnt true at all.

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    brutalnz Male 30-39
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:17 am
    10 seconds and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:18 am

    Well said, Brian.
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    zerobass Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:27 am
    I like this a lot.
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    churr_cuz Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:27 am
    wtf...i saw the f-ing plane hit the towers.
    stupid idiots making more rumors
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    Brian 61316 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:32 am
    i think their not talking about the towers. Their talking about the supposed pentagon strike. right?
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    anglefan Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:35 am
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-V1bXs_5... ,this video tells the truth , Its penn and tellers "bull poo" and they rip the 9/11 conspiracy nutts a new one lol
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    FLB Female 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:40 am
    I have never heard of this (must be a Us thing), but the points of arguments weren`t resolved at all, and probably left the viewers with even more Q`s in their heads.
    I was totally confused anyway. .
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    TomSFox Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:45 am
    Ahem: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/...
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    Kaizer250 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:47 am
    All I saw was a bunch of people fighting like children and making stupid accusations. I`m not taking either side in this particular conflict, but the people from Loose Change did actually make more sense. The Popular Mechanics so called "debunking" was not very well thought out or researched. All I know is that Bush had a motive, and he had the ability. It bothers me, but, without further evidence, I`m not going to start making accusations.
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    TomSFox Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:57 am
    Kaizer250, you are hopelessly misguided!
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:17 am
    A better question would be "Did everyone on the plane who made cell phone calls had the latest cell phones available?" and also why did they not released the black box recording as soon as they found them? It took several months if not years before we could hear what was happening in those planes... and we barely heard anything at all the government is still holding private most of the information on the black boxes secret and most of the phone calls too.

    The 3 towers felt all the same way "Pancake collapse" that alone should raise a series of questions.

    This is from wikipedia

    After obtaining an MBA from Harvard University (Bush is the only U.S. President to serve holding a Master of Business Administration degree), Bush entered the oil industry in Texas.

    That quote alone should give you a big hint as to what`s to come in the future. His debate over whether global warming is manmade or naturally caused is irrelevent... we need take actions.

    Almost 1000 ch

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    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:23 am
    "A better question would be "Did everyone on the plane who made cell phone calls had the latest cell phones available?" and also why did they not released the black box recording as soon as they found them? It took several months if not years before we could hear what was happening in those planes... and we barely heard anything at all the government is still holding private most of the information on the black boxes secret and most of the phone calls too."

    Could you cite some reliable evidence to support this, or are you going to just assume we`re going to believe you?

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    razordragon Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:26 am
    ... I got bored of this so quickly. We all know the work done by terroists etc. and if anything, if the US government was so merciless to kill their own people why couldn`t they have gone an assassinated those loose change idiots?
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:56 am
    Could that woman at the start breathe? She kept talking for a long time without pausing for breath.

    And i got bored after a minute. This site is i-am-bored, not get-me-bored.

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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:59 am
    BOOOORING!!!
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    Hansbo Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:03 am
    I think it never happened. They evacuated the buildings, the people who were supposedly "killed" are in the bahamas, and the government never invaded Iraq also.
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    TomOC Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:14 am
    I think some people are talking crap...that penn and teller video is stupid....all he`s doing is dismissing any conspiracy theories because he believes the government are right.

    i feel the biggest theory is the explosions in the towers as they fell....note what that fat pig in the penn and teller vid says when the conspiracy man says "they`re explosions" he says OK
    thats some argument....just say OK

    i personally believe some of the things in the loose change video,like that some of the hijackers were found alive and well and taking flying lessons AFTER 9-11...that suggests to me these men were picked on purpose bcos they were arabs and taking flying lessons....the idea that passports were found belonging to dead hijackers is silly...me and my friends make passports perfectly to get into nightclubs and bars...as if the government of america could`nt !

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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:18 am
    Cashcleaner, I watched the news when 9/11 happened and the days after. The black box recording and cell phones calls took a long time to be released.
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    Argh_Beast Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:25 am
    Just put an atom bomb over it! This 911 conspiracy theorys just make people drop down from the main point. Bush is an idiot and you voted for him meaning...well you know what it means!
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    TomSFox Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:31 am
    @razordragon: Oh, you read my link!

    @groogle: You make some connections which don`t have to mean anything! Those are no arguments!

    Some other things: Those Loose Change idiots suggest, that there was no plane!
    BUT THERE ARE RECORDINGS OF TWO PLANES CRASHING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS!
    And now explain me, how you are supposed to crash two plains in a way, that it would cause the WTC to "feel" in a "Pancake Collapse" way!
    Talking about it, it where just two towers, so I`m not going to believe your "facts" anyway, if you don`t know that, even!

    And they also suggest that the passengers were brought somewhere else BUT WHERE ARE THEY NOW, THEN, HUH?!?

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    TomSFox Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:35 am
    Oh, and TomOC, you think some people are talking crap and it`s not the conspiracy loonies?
    That`s sensible...

    And you believe that they found some hijackers after 9-11 alive just because they said so on the loonies` video?
    You naive fool!

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    tharith Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:39 am
    as the first planes hit, bush sat in a kindergarten class reading a childrens book to the students. how convenient. I believe most people who are not willing to go deeper and investigate or entertain the possibility of this conspiracy are afraid. They`re afraid they`ll find that they were lied to, and they believed it. So call them conspiracy "nuts" or whatever. But they`re out there standing up against the gov`t, the media, and you. And that poo takes balls, the revolution will not be televised bit(hes.
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    tharith Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:43 am
    TomSFox- The Loonies did not suggest there were no planes at the towers. They are saying that explosives were used, and that caused the collapse. Although they did suggest there was no plane at the pentagon and it was a cruise missle. Now tell me Tom, do you remember the footage of the plane hitting the pentagon?
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    dumaspere Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:56 am
    PanicOver, the guy`s talking about William Randolph Hearst, media tycoon. He`s dead now but the Hearst Corporation still owns a lot of newspapers and magazines including Popular Mechanics. Don`t know if the rumours are true but some people say Hearst put a lot of lies, half-truths and pro-government propaganda in his papers, and that philosophy continues. So I suppose the LC guys are questioning PM`s position as an unbiased scientific observer.
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    LrdSalisbury Male 70 & Over
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:58 am
    It seems like most people who tend to make fun of the 9/11 movement are making their judgments based on "Loose Change". They should know that most of us who have entered that movement would recommend several other documentaries before "Loose Change" largely because it does approach the argument with lots of assumptions that they don`t explicitly prove. There are other documentaries that take a much more open ended, "presentation of anomalies" approach.

    I think the reasons that "Loose Change" has become so well known, in spite of it`s shortcommings, are first, it was firs. I believe that it`s first version was the, or at least one of the first video theories that did not agree with the official explination. Also, I think, "Loose Change" tends to get more publicity because news stations see them as hot headed rebels that they can rip on and entertain their audience.

    I really hope people will look at other documentaries on sites li

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    LrdSalisbury Male 70 & Over
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    April 12, 2007 at 6:00 am
    I really hope people will look at other documentaries in places like google video.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 6:27 am
    There is easy proof that the gov`t didn`t do 9/11. Those two boys would be dead. Seriously, they can supposedly pull off this massive conspiracy, but they can`t shut down the website and kill its creators within hours, or even minutes of it being made?
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    klkl Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:00 am
    ya i say the excperts are right the lc people are pretty young...and dum
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    tharith Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:02 am
    so ur saying the government is NOT capable of a cover up? Then u underestimate and ur foolish. If those kids just died one day, how do u think the public and their supporters would react? You controlled by media. media controlled by gov`t. therefore.... wow thats the biggest conspiracy nut thing ive ever said...im just gonna go to bed now haha
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    kruger97 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:04 am
    You`re all stupid. Blinded by even stupider patriotism.
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    Itsdude56 Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:06 am
    that was boring
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    frenchy2612 Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:56 am
    i`m impressed by how quickly amy goodman managed to say all those tv channels b4 she said "i am amy goodman"
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    Jerm_Leather Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 8:03 am
    All of the questions asked in `Loose Change` are valid ones. Anyone that has actually seen the video would, at the very least, wonder about some of those questions. Blind patriotism is a foolish thing. Free thought is a much better path to take. You don`t have to be anti-government in order to think for yourself, but at least think beyond the tiny scraps of misinformation that the media serves up. Here`s a thought; the media is run by several huge, multi-billion dollar corporations and guess what? All they give a crap about is making money, and they will tell you whatever serves their (and the government`s) best interest. Rather then ranting further I will simply say this... Anyone that thinks that the United States (or any other nation`s) government isn`t capable of, or willing to engage in a nationwide cover-up in order to further it`s power is Naive.
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    quedas Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 8:44 am
    "I like to thank you for letting us come on and address the governments lies as well as Popular Mechanics which is a hurst , yellow journalism publication; lies as well."

    It`s Hearst, as in Hearst Media, as in connections with Fox Networks, as in me likey Bush! I have no fixed opinion on the debate at hand, but i just wanted to clarify that.

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    beternal Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 9:45 am
    I agree with gorgack2000 - wtf is up with that woman at the start!!! come on, did she actually take a breath and where was the slightest bit of character in her voice!
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    Argh_Beast Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 10:28 am
    Skynet`s plan to bomb the USA was a clever one. And at least would left America at the edge of a nuclear war. That would be fun to see! And we would have NO MORE CONSPIRACY THEORIES
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    toastopia Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 10:41 am
    by the way it is Hearst yellow journalism and Hearst was responsible for writing questionably accurate stories after the explosion of the USS Maine that is partly responsible for the expansionist Spanish-American War. The term Yellow Journalism came from that time period as well. So if you want to mock his view points sure go ahead but don`t mock what is a well thought out insult
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    Aqausixio Female 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 12:29 pm
    Idiots none of this matters.
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    moe2the Female 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 12:38 pm
    maybe i`m missing something but what were they trying to hide? why is there a conspiracy against that particular flight? did they even mention that...cuz i didn`t hear it. what i know from that flight is that it was destined for somewhere else (cant remember where, maybe the white house?) and the passengers fought back and somehow the plane came down early.what exactly are the loose change guys accusing the gov`t of?

    -slow

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    moe2the Female 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:06 pm
    some of u keep saying they were talking about the wtc but i only heard them talking about united 93. i live in nyc and i saw the planes hit the towers and i saw them fall my mother ran from that area, she worked in the verizon building which went down as well and smoke billowed throughout manhattan,brooklyn and queens for quite some time afterwards. believe me, i know for a fact that planes hit those buildings, and no one can tell me and the other new yorkers who were there otherwise. =>
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    kylethehappy Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:07 pm
    "So a lot of the cell phone calls were dropped because they couldn`t reach cell phone towers."

    "THEN WHY DID THEY SPEND A KAJILLION DOLLARS ADDING CELL PHONE TOWERS TO THE TOP OF A PLANE?!?!?!?!?! THATS ALL LIES!"

    Wow. Those two college guys are drattards.

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    TomOC Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:07 pm
    To TomS....the hijackers found alive and well were names released by the government and then found to be not DEAD LIKE !!! it was a public release...!! FOOL !!!

    And loose change guys were never saying there was no planes crashed into the towers...they were talking about the plane at the pentagon and the one that was crashed into the ground supposedly...which didnt leave one piece of debris despite an expert saying it shold definitely have left something behind...i consider myself fairly clever and my view is its all about money and i think bush organised this to go to war with iraq and afghanistan and steal a bit of oil....his family business

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:07 pm
    "My biggest `evidence` is that Bush had motif to do something like this. That`s what -really- bothers me.
    "

    Everyone has motif to do everything. It`s common sense and human nature that we dont. For example I could stand up, rip off my pants, and run yelling through the halls at school right now, nothing stopping me right? But I dont for some reason.

    Now that I mention it though, brb.

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    bromley1 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:14 pm
    wow i cant believe how many loser conspiracy nuts roam this site. If the government wanted to invade Iraq and Afghanistan so badly, they could have made up some other reason without killing 3000 people. or they could have created an attack in an allied country and europe and then stated "we must defend our allies". The only reason you all want to believe in these conspiracies is because you find it hard to believe that the attacks could have happened. but they did, and now we are all dealing with it.

    There is NO conspiracy. Just sad lonely people who want to prove something, but have nothing to prove at all.

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    Delta_Dark Female 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:18 pm
    i just watched the first like miniute - dont worry im goin 2 watch t rest in a miniute. and has anyone mentioned that at the begining the woman doesnt breathe for the longest time because shes doin a monologue??
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:23 pm
    I was just waiting for the Popular Mechanics guys to start throwing punches at the ignorant and insolent youth.
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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:42 pm
    The best part is the second part where they talk about there being no plane at the pentagon. That`s hilarious! First of all they`ve released a top down shot that clearly shows both engines, second of all the melting point is irrelevant. A car crashing at 80 miles per hour with less than 2000 lbs behind it leaves almost nothing behind. A plane crashing at 600+ miles per hour with 200000lbs behind it (remember kinetic energy is eponential so it would have had TEN THOUSAND times as much energy as a car which already disintegrates itself). Plus the speed was at least 7 times more. So we are talking about half a MILLION times more energy than it takes to disintegrate your average poorly made car, PLUS it was on fire afterwards and you are telling me there is something left. WTF are you smoking. Sure it`s bad the data hasn`t been released but seriously, do you REALLY want to release data on sucessfull enemy attack to the world?
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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:43 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0XEHahJ...
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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 1:59 pm
    Let me repeat that again, HALF A MILLION times more destructive than this, which ALSO has titanium in it:

    http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/...

    Now notice keeping about the same weight (viper to corvette), and doubling the speed, you get FOUR TIMES the destructive power, when you have 2x the speed in a similar acicdent.

    http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/...

    So take the first car and multiply that by half a million and you get what happened to the planes. Then these ideos say you can`t see them! At a factor of 4 you can BARELY destinguish a car, start adding in debris from a building and multiply by half a million, AND add fire:

    http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/...<

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    psychoman364 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:02 pm
    Yeah, nice rebuttal by popular mechanics. I`ve never put any stock in the conspiracy theories anyway, they all seemed like total bullsh*t. You`d think the richest and most powerful gov`t in the world could make a conspiracy a little bit more convincing, don`t ya think? It`s also really funny that all the lose change idiots, whenever they talk about those who don`t agree with them, start going on about "free thought" and not "blindly following." Um, you`re doing the same fu*king thing, blindly following the loose change asswipes and not looking into the tons of evidence against them. Funny.
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    Guest5386 Female 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:07 pm
    I just like how the self centred person before me said his gouvernement was the richest and more powerfull in the world ^^

    That really made me laugh ^^ not all americans think their gouvernement is all mighty, but a freaking bunch does.

    we call it "hiding your head in the sand" ^^*

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    dumaspere Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:13 pm
    lol legion, i thought the interview was silly, but it has nothing on your post. i think you should check your calculations again - with those weights and speeds the plane has 5000 times higher KE than a car, not 500,000. Which doesn`t make a difference anyway, as you just can`t make a useful comparison between the two situations, they`re just so different. AND even if you could, notice that in those pics you posted, the bulk of the car remains in one piece after the crash, not disintegrated at all. What was your point, exactly? BTW thanks for posting the second part of the interview. There are five parts, all on http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mediagrrl9
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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:14 pm
    This debate will never end. It`s not even interesting anymore, just annoying, like a fly that keeps landing on you, and everytime you swat at it, it flys away only to return a minute later. And just when you think it`s gone for good, it lands on the back of your neck.

    Anyway, anyone who believes in a 9/11 conspiracy has a serious disconnect with reality. Get help, cause you have a problem.

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    TheRebelMonk Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:20 pm
    Not sure where you, "guest5386," from Europe are going with your comment...but I am pretty confident in the power of my government. It may not be perfect, but I don`t "have my head in the sand" either when I confidently state that there is no government anywhere else that wants to single handedly take on the United States. Just a thought...
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    psychoman364 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:28 pm
    "I just like how the self centred person before me said his gouvernement was the richest and more powerfull in the world ^^"

    Well, let`s see...the US has the world`s largest GDP (not per capita, but absolute: Link), which means we`re the richest. And most powerful is merely an observation of the power our military has, not to mention the power that the world`s largest economy has!

    So, what you just said? We call that ignorance.

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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:34 pm
    Hasn`t all of the loose change`s "facts" been debunked already?
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    BABY_BEAR Female 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 2:57 pm
    The woman at the beginning must have been a racing commentator in a previous incarnation.
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:08 pm
    no INTELLIGENT person would ever believe in this theory. sure, there are a lot of conspiracy theories that are valid, but this one, i think i should even call a theory. its a hypothesis. it was made by morons. it has little backing, little motiv. if bush really is a moron, how could he orchestrate this without help? if he did get help, how were there so many mistakes? why didn`t get kill loose change? why couldn`t he quiet the media? if he could really cause this much terror, he could`ve done a LOT more.

    don`t believe in everything you see, unless it has some validity in it. loose change is not valid.

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    PayN8tention Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:15 pm
    You see SO MANY conspiracy videos and I haven`t seen any clips that take the issue first-hand and tell it differently. That tells me that they either CAN`T disprove any of the bold inferences made about the subject or they WON`T disprove it was a conspiracy. I could show you some really well done videos on conspiracies relating to the government but I won`t bother.
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    ancientgirl Female 30-39
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:25 pm
    I blame it on poor health care. They obviously don`t have a mental or substance abuse rider they could seriously benefit from. Those two students were morons.
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    LovexChelsey Female 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:25 pm
    The popular mechanics guys` voice annoyed the living HELL out of me.
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    a_ron4 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:40 pm
    the biggest part of the flight 93 crash that the loose change guys choose to leave out is the fact that the plane was fully loaded with jet fuel because of the lengthy initial flight plan. when the plane crashed, the fuel ignited which would probably vaporize most of the remaining pieces of the plane and bodies.

    the loose change guys have nothing going for them and are totally unprofessional. they could have at least put on nice clothing.

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    mystreT Male 30-39
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    April 12, 2007 at 3:46 pm
    OK, I must first say it`s MOTIVE people not MOTIF. god that`s annoying. Secondly, bringing up WR Herst 55 years after he died is ridiculous. Yes Herst had an agenda and his papers were slanted, but the man is dead. He has nothing to do with anything. PM is a reputable magazine. I saw Loose Change when it first came out and it is interesting but it`s way off. Of course Bush had motive, so did Clinton. Clinton called for regime change in Iraq back in the 90s only he didn`t have cause to go in. I don`t believe 911 gave us call to go into Iraq but Congress did. While I believe the Bush adminstration was inept and grossly negligent in preventing the attacks, to suggest they had something to do with it is just plain silly. Please understand, I hate GW Bush with a passion but he didn`t do this. The attacks came off almost flawlessly, do you really think he could have done that? What has he ever done that came off flawlessly? So I do think for my self thank you, and I think LC is bunk!!!!!
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    scar104 Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:04 pm
    Ok. For starters, the loose change arguements, if you can call them that. Were all nothing but strawman. No supporting evidence, no proof, not even a decent rebuttal. And, if the government really was involved, would these kids be saying this on national TV? No, they would be dead/missing/in Guantanamo. The government wouldn`t let them do this if what they say is true.
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    Someone_Else Female 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:05 pm
    I`d like to see the Loose Change people and all their followers go to New York City and convince the natives there. Now there`s something that would keep me entertained.
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    evanking Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:07 pm
    i love when that punk interrupts the pop mechanics dude..

    "well it was..."

    snickering like a nine year old.

    what a tool. these guys are so convinced that they`re right, and can`t be proven wrong

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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:39 pm
    Ha ha.

    Those loose change guys are idiots.

    It`s amazing how real journalists expose these dudes. Y`know...by interviewing sources and conducting proper research.

    Oh...but Popular Mechanics is a "Hearst `yellow journal` " that propagates "government lies."

    :-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

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    Shoyz Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:42 pm
    *snore*
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    Tweetness Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 4:50 pm
    The loose change people seem a little too upset about the subject to discuss it eloquently. Still, why would the government hold information this long. Something doesn`t add up
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    Woot45 Female 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:01 pm
    i think the government is really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really corrupt and evil, but i really don`t think they did 9/11. the movie was boring, and those guys were total bastards.
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    ImNoGod Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:21 pm
    If you believe 9-11 was a conspiracy.

    YOU ARE A FU<KING IDIOT. PERIOD.

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    Hc00 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:30 pm
    Ive just watched some of the rest of this thing, good lord, how can anyone believe the conspiracy theorists??? Damn. "There was none of the plane visible by the pentagon" Thats because it crashed at huge speed (It would be going well over 600 mph due to the fact it was diving)into a bloody building. Look at the videos of the planes hitting the WTC, you dont see wing or tail sections falling to the floor, the sections just disintegrate.

    "THe official explanation is that they melted in the fire caused by the jetfuel"

    No its not the official explanation is they broke apart with the massive forces of impact. planes arent as strong as some consipracy theorists seem to think :/

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    -NeonCarrot- Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:43 pm
    Popular Mechanics: 1
    Dumbass ass tin foil hat wearing colledge students: 0
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    Hc00 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:46 pm
    If I was in a better mood I may have found loose change funny, but im not :/ if anyone believes that they should never be trusted to make an important decision that will affect another persons life
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    Devryl Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:53 pm
    Those two kids are fraking dippoos.
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    Devryl Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 5:53 pm
    ....The Filter.

    ....I hate it with a passion.

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    Hc00 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 6:02 pm
    They dont keep changing the reason for building 7s collapse, they say its a combination of all the factors.

    Quite frankly, im amazed at the composure of the sane people in the room, if I had been the balding fella (cant remember his name :)) repeatedly being called a liar id have glassed the drater...

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    Omi Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 6:08 pm
    There`s too much propaganda in the small world we live in. Too much ignorance/arrogance.

    I don`t know what to make of 9/11, too much bullpoo left, right n centre, and frankly I no longer give a damn. Fact of the matter is, we live in a messed up world.

    Call me a hippy, but the world should be all about peace and love.

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    HarryBalszak Male 40-49
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    April 12, 2007 at 6:45 pm
    Those LC guys are arrogant, spoiled little ashsoles. Their liberal mommies and daddies should have taken the belt to them when they were kids instead of giving them times-out.
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    sparkanum Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 6:47 pm
    Occam`s Razor, people.

    In my opinion, the simplest answer is that there is no conspiracy.

    Plus, like Maddox said, if there was a conspiracy they`d have CIA whacked that Loose Change guy`s dumb ass before the thing even propogated across the net.

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    SlippySanta Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:04 pm
    Every single point about the 9/11 attacks from both sides have been made..people should just believe what they want to believe and shut the hell up.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:25 pm
    For each and every event in history, there is someone there to dream up a false story, alternative tale, or conspiracy theory.
    Why you ask? Simple... as Jack Nicholson so eloquently phrased it in "A Few Good Men" because...

    "You Can`t Handle The Truth!"

    Simple truth is America was attacked by terrorists. Accept it... there are legions of individuals in this world who simply do not like the freedoms that Americans (and others) live and have died for.

    Live in America and can`t accept that? Then why the HELL are you still here?

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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:29 pm
    ^^ HarryBalszak aka "Hairy Ballsack" (4 posts above this one)

    You hit the perverbial nail on the head; I just wish you were wrong.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:34 pm
    This thread has been done too many times these last few weeks.
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    Camira Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 7:59 pm
    Even though some of you don`t agree with the LC guys opinions; You should be willing to die protecting their right to express them.
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    Shalar Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 8:12 pm
    LOL. Did anyone else think the lady at the start was going to pass out?
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    iamboredest Female 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 8:37 pm
    9/11 has passed--forget about it people!

    please

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    Lefever66 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 9:48 pm
    not that anyone will probably read or care about my comment lol but wow people like those guys from loose change piss me off. all they wanna do is draw attention to themseleves get famous or whatever or make a few bucks off of thousands of innocent people that were killed on 9/11. shut the hell up to those two idiots, if our government is "so bad" leave the country its that simple. they were probably freaking out because making it on this show was the biggest accomplishments of there lifes. and they arent good at debating at all they just say "thats a lie" or "thats not true". all there little snikkering (spelling lol) and comments in the back ground really annoyed and pissed me off to.

    just think if they brought back to life all the people that were killed in that plane crash what would they say? they gave up there lives for other average people like those two who dont even appreicate it and call it "a lie."

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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 10:01 pm
    Aww, sparks beat me to the Occam`s Razor =\.

    At any rate, I care Lefever!

    I read the original Popular Science article on 9/11 and, while there was lots of interesting empirical evidence shown, the most interesting part for me was a short blurb on the psychology of conspiracy theories. People are, for the most part, scared, predictable, pathetic creatures. The idea that a single, pissed of man can put a bullet in the leader of our country, for example, is terrifying. To counteract this fear people have a tendency of making the events bigger than they actually were so that a repeat occurrence is, in their minds, absolutely impossible.

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    PeaceFrog71 Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 10:12 pm
    Just drop it for christ`s sake...
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    HarryBalszak Male 40-49
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    April 12, 2007 at 10:48 pm
    "Even though some of you don`t agree with the LC guys opinions; You should be willing to die protecting their right to express them."

    That`s your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions... ;-)


    Also... Never let the FACTS get in the way of a good argument.

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    PhoenixPhata Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 11:32 pm
    You need a hug Mr. Frog.
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    Gnarkill07 Male 18-29
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    April 12, 2007 at 11:34 pm
    wow popular mechanics completely owned. conspiracy theorists should play in traffic more often
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    houseonfire Male 13-17
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    April 12, 2007 at 11:50 pm
    Where can I get this video, in full?
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    April 12, 2007 at 11:59 pm
    Well, I am not going to argue at all. I am just going to proclaim all of the people that actually believe there is some twisted conspiracy of any kind are just plain dumb. It is that simple. I hope you all die painfully (I mean that in the nicest of ways...:)

    Also, I was at the Pentagon the on Sep. 12. You don`t need to believe me, I really don`t care one way or another.

    Stupid people....

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    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 4:35 am
    Did anyone see the South Park episode where Cartman tries to convince everyone of a 9/11 conspiracy. As it turned out in the show, the government was behind the theories to keep people knowing that they were still capable of pulling of a huge scheme.

    Anyway, Kyle gets all frustrated and just shouts out to President Bush saying "So if you`re behind the conspriracy theories, who really pulled off 9/11?!"

    "A bunch of pissed off Muslims. Any retard knows that!"

    Classic.

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    VONLINE Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 8:49 am
    "Even though some of you don`t agree with the LC guys opinions; You should be willing to die protecting their right to express them."

    No one is debating that. They have a right to say whatever they want, but we all have the same right to call them idiots.

    Also, "Simple truth is America was attacked by terrorists. Accept it... there are legions of individuals in this world who simply do not like the freedoms that Americans (and others) live and have died for."

    I have to disagree with you on that, Islamic extremists don`t hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because we are not Islamic extremists. In their minds, they didn`t fly planes into buildings full of freedom-loving Americans, they flew them into buildings full of Jews. Same reason they hate Isreal.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 11:53 am
    Vonline, actually its not because were not islamic. I disagree the real reason why they hate us is because of the poo there government is telling them, also I`m sure theres more reason they hate us other then religion honestly we have done poo to them in the past.
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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 11:56 am
    Right, what?

    I`m f*cking bored of the 9/11 stuff now, stop kicking the dead donkey and confirm the simple fact that it happened, there`s nothing we can do about it, and that even if a conspiracy theory turned out to be CORRECT, America would take little to no action on it.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:10 pm
    I hate to agree with you hobo on america not taking any action. But i would like to ask you a question, If your mother was raped wouldn`t you want that man in prison? Exactly, If George Bush did have part in it wouldn`t you want him convicted? keep in mind people those weren`t the original people from PM the original people got replaced by these people just last year or so. Also notice how the person that actually did write the article for PM wasn`t present. (George Chertoff) <-- Michael Chertoff`s cousin and i know you guys dont know who Michael Chertoff is so let me tell you guys who he is. Michael Chertoff is the Secratary of Homeland Security. the writer of that article is related to the secratary of Homeland security how does that not make you question if this is planned? I mean honestly the PM guys did not prove a thing on this video and the guys from LC are only discredited because there young?
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:14 pm
    btw there not speaking about WTC there speaking about the 4th flight the one that the news didnt cover so much the ones that the passengers took over. the one that the news never showed a plane on the floor jsut a small explosion. yeah that one. and its true the government never showed us video of pentagon, they never release the black box recordings of any plane that day. I mean they are withholding so much information its rediculous that any of you guys dont even question it. i mean i honestly don`t know what happened all i know is thousands of people died but i will tell you one thing you guys were not in those planes, you guys didnt see the damn plane hit the pentagon and you guys damn sure didnt even see the 4th plane so there should be some sort of questions at least and hey if you believe there was no conspiracy then hey at least you thought about it. but if you dont then man you guys should look at everything one more time. and research PM and there employees and staff
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:17 pm
    Hearst corporation owns popular mechanics which has strong government ties. George Chertoff (writer of the popular mechanics author) was not even in this video because they dont want to many people figuring out that Michael Chertoff(secratary of homeland security) is his cousin. OPERATION NORTHWOODS shows our government is willing to do w/e it takes to go into war if its in our best benefit. so read guys read because honestly this is the way our country will fall is if you guys stay narrow minded and not even questioning things. OPERATION NORTHWOODS should at least switch on the button in your head and make you think hey wait a minute.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:18 pm
    GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS.GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS.GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS.GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS.GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS.GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS.GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS.GOOGLE OPERATION NORTHWOODS

    Then come back and say what you read.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:23 pm
    read what you can now guys i dont know if you guys have heard but the internet is drating up the government so guess what there trying to pass a law which will instate internet censorship meaning your not even going to be able to see what they dont want you to. read up guys because we are the only people that can make changes.
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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:28 pm
    I would want the guy to go to prison, yeah. But if he got away, or if the police blew the f*ck out of possible "hiding places" of possible "rapists", then i`d become a little more safe in the mind.
    And over time, i`d becaome less caring about the scenario anyway, because I could see that life had sorted itself out after a few years.

    Besides, you can`t really do a conspiracy theory about a rape case, without looking like a bit of a fool.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:34 pm
    you missed the complete point of my essay. im not even going to toss names at you i will let your last post show what type of literary skills you have. btw the cousin to Michael Chertoff is Ben Chertoff Got names mixed up.. Read Operation Northwoods hobo so you can redeem yourself from your ignorance.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:35 pm
    well actually your only 13-17 no wonder you cant understand what im saying. you just got discredited for being young. Fair? no its not.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:36 pm
    http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm

    listen to this guy, its audio so you guys dont have to read.

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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:52 pm
    Right, GoldenArms. From what I just read from the last three posts, you sound like an absolute joke. And i`ll complete this post without trying to personally offend you, because the one thing I hate more than being called ignorant or otherwise being insulted over the internet is getting involved in meaningless arguments.

    1. I don`t care to redeem myself of being "ignorant" in any way. I made my point, my personal opinion. If you think i`m ignorant, go ahead, just don`t take me up on something that wasn`t intended to be raised in the first place.

    2. No. It isn`t fair to stand on someone because of their age, is it? It`s idiotic, so you should avoid doing so in future.
    And just because i`m in that margin, it doesn`t mean i`m an uneducated fat little 13 year old. I`m a 17 year old british student, so is it any wonder than i`m not too arms in the air about 9/11 anyway?

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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 12:58 pm
    omg americans are stupid....go and look at the flight 93 crash site...do you belive a plane crashed in that hole? im not even going to call it a crater.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:00 pm
    ... lmfao your a fool i was being sarcastic about discrediting you for being young. notice the "Fair? no its not" at the end of my post <-- yeah *insert sarcastic here* i sound like a complete joke? where is your back up to anything you say.. you dont have anything man.. notice i have never said o its fact that its a conspiracy i simply said i dont know exactly what happened but the fact of the matter is is that there is alot of real FACT that there is a reason for Bush to have done this and that there is also FACT that the person that wrote the popular mechanics article is a relative to the Secratary of Homeland Security. that is all it should raise questions, enough of you posting becuase like i said you obviously have no literary skill. you misunderstand everything i post and you then start your post by calling me a joke. yet you have not at all showed me a single fact that everyone here can agree on as fact, and i did. so just stop posting because your digging yourself
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:03 pm
    exactly h0ax demon!.. honestly they didnt even show a plane. and also look at the pentagon your telling me a 757 flew into that building and only that hole was left? no man and why didnt the pentagon colapse? lmfao i mean its evident that there is some sort of inconsistency in all the stories except for the wtc the 2 main buildings collapsing becuase WTC7 is said by more then just "conspiracy idiots" to not have any reason to fall. WTC7 videos even show the damn thing falling from the middle of the building first to the rest. its obvious were not getting the full uncovered news.
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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:04 pm
    3. Finally, you`re picking up on my apparent lack of literary skills? Well do your own posts not counter that very remark? I see little to no use of capital letters and a lack of paragraphing, which make your essay-posts somewhat of a chore to read.

    What of my illiteracy? A typo of "becaome" in my second post? Oh no, I may as well drop out of college and get a job as a fast food resturant cleaner. Ease off, for crying out loud.


    Bottom line, I don`t care enough about 9/11 to read/listen to all the evidence you`ve presented me with, GoldenArms. And if you want to argue further, be my guest but i`ll only keep saying "it was my opinion, and you can`t do anything about that".

    Thanks but no thanks, mate. This has been interesting.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:06 pm
    why the drat didnt the pentagone even have a shape of a plane? the damn wings would have made some damn damage to the building if the flipping plane was flying 500 miles an hour if those damn wings hit any building it would at least make some sort of damage the wings alone look at the pictures of the pentage do you see any damage to where the wings are supposed to have hit? no not a single bit come on so your telling me a plane flying at about 400 mph or something hit a building and the wings didnt make a bit of damage its obvious. thats why 88 videos are f|u|c|k|i|n Missing.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:08 pm
    lmfao still missing my whole point of my post huh custom hobo just stop reading this thread if you dont care and man your a dummy for even posting if you didnt care. wow go ahead attack my use of proper punctuation because as far as 9/11 goes you will not be able to say anything that you can put your families life on as fact.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:14 pm
    Picture of Pentagon
    yeah, lets play find the wings and wing damage and someone freaking tell me how the hell a planes wings flying at hundreds of miles per hour didnt make any damage to this damn building?
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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:26 pm
    The whole point of my first post was to say that I didn`t care about 9/11, and that I don`t think that anyone else should.
    But that`s fine, people still do care, and I can respect that opinion in the way that families have been torn apart by lost ones, war has just been magnified by the whole thing.

    I respect their opinion, but I just want mine to be respected all the same, even if you don`t agree with it.

    I`m missing the point because i`m not trying to hit the point in the first place.

    I`m only reading this thread because you`re still reading and replying to my posts, and i`m not one to roll over and let people sh*t on me thinking they`ve won. I don`t like winning the argument either, but I just want to resolve this so that we come to some kind of agreement.

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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:28 pm
    Concerning the Pentagon evidence, a while ago I saw some released "footage" from the Pentagon incident. The camera that caught it was around...1.5 FPS or something sh*t. The video consists of about 60 or more grainy, pixellated pictures that I believe were just edited shots stuck together and then the real explosion.

    We see 20 seconds of a side view of the Pentagon, a car passes the camera, very slowly due to such a poor frame rate. Then about halfway in, the nose of a thin, silver object appears, pointing towards the building out of the corner of the picture. The next frame is the explosion, and no evidence of anything entering the Pentagon at high speed...no silver object seen in previous frame, just the explosion.

    It just looks like a rushed out scapegoat to me, i`ll have a look for it.

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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:30 pm
    The "footage"

    Well my times said in the previous post are utterly wrong, but it still isn`t convincing at all.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:32 pm
    Hey, google Public Officials warned not to fly on 9/11, John Ashcroft 9/11, Bush on Sitpro, CIA Insider Training 9/11, Larry Silverstein to Pull Buildings, Larry Silverstien Commanding Building to Be Pulled. New paper articleEnron Gave Bin Laden Money., Newspaper Clipping of what was in building 7... yeah lets see someone say that there wasnt motive and that this is not to convienient.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:36 pm
    so what are you trying to say custom that you think the pentagon was sabotaged and the footage was drated up on purpose right?
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:37 pm
    yeah hey guys btw WTC7 had drating documents about enron`s collapse. hmmm yet in that clipping he gave binladen money.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:38 pm
    read up bitches and now tell me there is no sort of plan in the distruction of the wtc.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:41 pm
    guys want to see why this makes make bush so hated. Enron is connected with bush ;) Enron and Bush Newspaper Article
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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:41 pm
    I`m saying that the Pentagon got blown up, the "footage" I linked to was a Government-released video-shop intended to make it look real, and that I don`t believe for a second that the Pentagon got a big hole smashed through it by a plane.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:43 pm
    "Overall Enron employees gave Bush some $600000 in political donations. According to the Center for Public Integrity this made Enron Bush’s top career donor" So now you guys still think that Bush didnt do anything? lmfao im sure that bush never gave binladen money. obviously he didnt but the corporation that he has been involved with did i wonder why you guys forget bush is an oil man? and enron was giving the taliban money for a "oil deal".
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:44 pm
    good hobo now we are on the same page. read articles i posted i been researching this stuff for years. i read so many drating articles and honestly i am a firm believer that the government did this.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:45 pm
    to much of a drating tie let some stupid e-nerd come on here tell me im an idiot if you dont question wtf is going on then you obviously havent read enough.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:51 pm
    bet you guys didnt know that the top executives of enron dumped there stocks right before they filed for bankruptcy. all of them made money.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:52 pm
    So What`s New, You Ask Again!!!!
    Well, what`s new starts to emerge when the umbilical political and financial connections between Bush and Enron are illuminated. Enron`s capo, Kenneth Lay, was perhaps the best financial friend George W. Bush has ever known. He and a number of Enron employees essentially bankrolled Bush`s 2000 Presidential campaign, even lending Bush an Enron corporate jet for trips between whistle stops. And long before Bush got White House stars in his eyes, he worked very closely with Enron on energy policy in Texas.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm
    This close connection led to the Bush administration`s hiring of a number of influential individuals within Enron`s orbit for important government positions:

    THOMAS E. WHITE, Bush`s Secretary of the Army, had been Vice-Chairman of Enron Energy Service, and held millions in Enron stock.

    KARL ROVE, Presidential Advisor, owned as much as $250,000 of Enron stock.

    LARRY LINDSAY, Economic Advisor, leapt straight from Enron to his current White House job.

    ROBERT B. ZOELLICK, Federal Trade Representative, ditto above.

    HARVEY PITTS, SEC Chairman, was handpicked by Kenneth Lay for the position, due to his notorious aversion to governmental regulation of any kind.

    DONALD RUMSFELD, Defense Secretary, together with 31 Bush administration officials had a line item for Enron in their stock portfolio. The woebegone corporation held, and continues to hold, enormous influence over the day-to-day machinations of Federal government policy. Was Bush`s recent gutting of t

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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:57 pm
    ya, the loose change guys are oviously wrong. do you think george bush could orcastrate anything that complicated? the transformers ad was more intresting than that
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:58 pm
    Kenny. stfu. you obviously just follow w/e everyone says.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 1:59 pm
    read my drating pretty much report on all this sh*t then tell me what you think.
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    April 13, 2007 at 2:50 pm
    i agree with golden arms, also when the plane hit the pentagon, there were buildings around the pentagon that had cameras pointed in that direction that were all off during sept 11. You can tell these popular mechanics guys have never watched loose change, Loose change backs up all of thier claims with evidence, as popular mechanics make them out to be a couple of kids who didnt know what they were doing and have just make a movie full of outragous claims and rumour, watch it...this is not the case.
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 2:51 pm
    and kenny...im pretty sure george bush doesnt have much to do with half of what goes down in his own country.
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 2:55 pm
    goldenarms i know how you feel, i have a hard time finding people who have done the research and noticed something doesnt add up, i know il get a flood of people telling me what an idiot i am, but before you do, do the research...
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 2:58 pm
    yup
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 3:11 pm
    everything does add up hoax! you know how? it all suggest (not saying it proves) that the bushmeister is in on all of it.
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    April 13, 2007 at 6:57 pm
    http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evi...

    Hey look mah! Photos of plane parts and body parts!

    People seems to underestimate the shear amount of Energy a moving object at that speed + Fuel has.
    Planes are made to fly, not survive head on collisions.

    By the way, that site has a lot of information on what evidence is missing and what exists today.

    By the way GoldenArms, you`re quite the piece of work. I`m not arguing with you, cause that will be like politely asking a brick wall to move. This is my first and last posting, later.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 7:24 pm
    Hey, yeah your right you got a few things that are human remains, hmm but if we are underestimating the energy that speed+fuel have wtf are human remains there for, also those couldve have very well been people from inside the pentagon. ever think of that bub? nope didnt think so btw have you ever seen a jet from 747 or 757 yeah there a poo load bigger that that peice of the engine next to that fireman in that pic i can tell you that. a couple of peices of metal doesnt exactly mean it was a plane. and forreal i never said the conspiracies were true the i said the research points to bush having part in the attacks. you call me a character which is foolish because you obviously didnt understand that i havent exactly said the conspiracies were true i simply said they point at bush being part of things.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 7:27 pm
    and that this attack was an inside job hmm lets say that it was a plane and they didnt want to release the tapes for w/e reason fine. but that doesnt explain Public Officials warned not to fly on 9/11, John Ashcroft 9/11, Bush on Sitpro, CIA Insider Training 9/11, Larry Silverstein to Pull Buildings, Larry Silverstien Commanding Building to Be Pulled. New paper articleEnron Gave Bin Laden Money., Newspaper Clipping of what was in building 7.. just when you get all the answers to that stuff then post i will leave and never post again
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 7:34 pm
    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence...

    shows photographs of building during collapse i wonder why the hell it did collapse like that your link proves it.

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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 13, 2007 at 8:00 pm
    Moron
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    athyle Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 1:13 am
    I just took a swim in a large sophistic sea.
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    Cashcleaner Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 2:20 am
    What I like best about these conspriracy theorists is that even when we apply reason and scientific knowledge to refute their unfounded claims, they have an ace up their sleeve. You see, by disputing their point of view, you`re implicated as well in their theory.

    Popular Mechanics OBVIOUSLY has ties to the Bush administration - that`s the only possible reason, isn`t it?

    It`s a pretty cool dream world you`re living in. I wonder how far in life you`ll go when you put out an unfounded and ludicrous theory and then say that the people who disagree with it are in on the whole thing. Good luck in your adult years, I bet your personality is going to go down great at work, home, etc.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 10:12 am
    lmfao i already said 4 times i dont agree with the conspiracy. I simply said it points at some sort of government planning. I mean look obviously you guys thing w/e you want by watching news its all tied to the government read the links i provide. i mean really even read the link your fellow "non believer" put up there even saying how the hell did the buildings collapse the way they did. and what reason and scientific knowledge has anyone here applied? i am showing photos and i showed you facts about the bush ties with enron. and enrons ties with al queda and i also showed you the fact (which all of this was on the news but not reported on as much as anna nicole) the fact about what wtc7 contained. if you guys believe the news so much and cant listen to anyone but that fine read the newspaper clippings. the owner of the wtc buildings did you guys know he restated his insurance policy on those damn buildings weeks prior.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 10:15 am
    weeks prior to 911 the owner of the 911 building restated his insurance policy to include terrorist attacks he was awarded 7 billion dollars since his buildings were attacked by 2 planes after 9/11. who in the hell would just magically wake up and think my buildings may be attacked by terrorist?
    i believe planes hit the damn buildings but as far as the other 2 "planes" (pentagon and the other one that the passengers had an uprising) i believe those were not planes and that have any of you ever seen a photograph of the 4th plane? it was barely even reported on.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 10:36 am
    ok you guys dont want to even question this stuff. ok Let me ask you goddamn people this, WHO HERE HAS SEEN A PICTURE OF THE 4th F**KING AIRCRAFT? AND NO DONT GIVE ME THAT CRAP THAT THE JET FULL DISINTEGRATED IT. SOMEONE TELL ME A PLANE CRASHED IN THIS TINY LITTLE WHOLE I GUARENTEE CAN NOT DISAGREE THAT A PLANE WAS NEVER THERE Pictures of Flight 93 SOMEONE TELL ME THAT IS A REAL PLAN CRASH SITE AND SHOW ME PICS OF OTHERS LIKE THIS ONE. YOU GUYS ARE MORONS IF YOU THINK THAT ITS A REAL CRASH SITE. READ OPERATION NORTHWOODS UP AND DOWN STUDY IT AND STFU ABOUT CALLING PEOPLE MORONS IF FLIGHT 93 AND OPERATION NORTHWOODS DONT EVEN RAISE QUESTION IN ANYONES HEADS YOU GUYS ARE BRAINWASHED TO TEH FU*KING FULLEST
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 10:41 am
    YOU PEOPLE PRESENT NO VALID ARGUMENT OTHER THEN ARTICLES THAT ARE CREATED BY PEOPLE WITH GOVERNMENT TIES THE ONLY THING I SEEN THAT ISNT IS KRYNS POST AND STILL ON HIS SITE THERE STILL SAYING SH*T I AM SOMETHING DOESNT ADD UP IF YOU PEOPLE BELIEVE IT YOU HONESTLY CANT READ CANT EXAMINE PICTURES I HAVE BEEN READING ON THIS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND YOU GUYS HAVENT SHOWN ME ANYTHING OTHER THEN TRY TO DISCREDIT ME WITH NO VALID POINTS WHAT SO EVER I HAVE PRESENTED NOTHING BUT FACT. THAT IS ALL LETS NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE TRADE CENTERS SINCE YOU GUYS WONT BUDGE HOW ABOUT WE SPEAK ABOUT THE ALL THE FACT I PRESENTED ABOUT BUSH WITH ENRON AND ENRON WITH ALQUEDA AND THE WTC7 BUILDINGS WITH ENRON INVESTIGATION DOCUMENTS AND OTHER CASES ON POLITICAL FIGURES. LETS TALK ABOUT THE GUY OWNING THOSE BUILDINGS RESTATING HIS INSURANCE TO INCLUDE TERRORIST ATTACKS... THAT IS ALL FACT.. SOMEONE PROVE ME WRONG ON THAT.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 10:43 am
    IF THAT DOESNT POINT TO GOVERNMENT OR AT LEAST SOMEONE KNOWING OR PLANNING THE ATTACKS ON 911 THEN YOU GUYS REALLY ARE MORONS.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 14, 2007 at 10:44 am
    OPERATION NORTHWOODS OPERATION NORTHWOODS SOMEONE F*KING TELL ME THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU THINK ALL THE STUFF ON 911 IS ALMOST LIKE THAT DOCUMENT.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 14, 2007 at 1:17 pm
    Nice of you to yell. It really makes me believe your point even more. Thanks... I am now convinced.
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    HarryBalszak Male 40-49
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    April 14, 2007 at 4:47 pm
    GA89, What`s your view on pro wrestling, the moon landing and the JFK assassination?
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 14, 2007 at 6:41 pm
    GA89 - "...SOMEONE F*KING TELL ME THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU THINK ALL THE STUFF ON 911 IS ALMOST LIKE THAT DOCUMENT."

    This document is not enough to make (me) think all the stuff on 911 is almost like that document.

    Let us know when you will be a guest speaker on Rosie O`Donnell`s "The View".

    Gee, talk about "Loose Change".

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    ddr_coke21 Male 13-17
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    April 14, 2007 at 8:40 pm
    I saw that movie 42 times and counting.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 15, 2007 at 1:46 am
    w/e you no point in taking you guys serious
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 15, 2007 at 10:33 am
    about like we took you.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2007 at 11:58 am
    yeah good job you cant point out any reasonable facts and you cant argue with mines so you talk trash i dont care anymore man i put up facts you talk trash your 50-59 on i-am-bored.com? lol probably a child i dont care whether you believe me or not but everything i put up is fact no lies here it should raise a question in your head if it doesnt you deserve to be brainwashed its fine dont open your eyes.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2007 at 12:01 pm
    and harry jfk i think was not killed by mafia or anything that had to do with it ive recently seen a vidoe of the murder and i think the driver did it at least it sure looked like it i also think that he was murdered for not signing the Operation Northwoods document. which can be seen all over the internet but you guys dont care to look w.e.
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    April 16, 2007 at 4:06 pm
    Moron
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 16, 2007 at 6:58 pm
    Nice of you to at least put a period at the end of your rant and rave. Without it, I would not have known when to quit reading. And thanks for taking off the CAPS LOCK; it doesn`t help you when trying to get your point across.

    But then, nothing would help you get your point across.

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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2007 at 9:45 pm
    w/e child. your hopeless and you make personal attacks and ridicule me instead of my arguments thats how i know your a child same with ninja he just wants to say stupid things without any type of reasoning behind it. you children shouldn`t say anything about poo you know nothing about.
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    April 16, 2007 at 10:04 pm
    You`re still a moron. And you provided the reasoning for me, what with the constant walls of batsh*t insane, undecipherable text. Seriously, at times it looks like you were just headbutting your keyboard while screaming `BELIEVE ME` at the top of your lungs. Then again I never got more than a sentence into your ravings because they are moronic. Moron.
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    April 16, 2007 at 10:22 pm
    goldenarms, you have to to be one of the most sh*t-filled idiots I`ve ever seen. I mean, really. You`re repetitive - an entire post of "google operation northwoods"?! An entire fu*king post?! And you type half your responses in all caps, you spew the same tired bullsh*t that`s been disproven - by the original link, and you type about 15 posts at a time. You make baseless accusations about people "blindly following" when that`s exactly what you`re doing! No wonder you believe that LC sh*t, you`re an idiot.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2007 at 11:51 am
    yup your right exactly i completely agree disproven that bush has ties with enron? psychoman are you an A S S? thats all i need to know i would love to know what you have to say other then personally attacking me instead of the argument its funny how you all cant go against the fact that bush had ties with enron or that enron had ties with alqueda w/e lmfao you guys are children its ok at least for you guys. w/e psychoman if im following blindly please tell me in my post that i said that the loosechange was right and that i agree with the conspiracy. i didnt exactly i simply said it points at bush you obviously cant read and you probably havent read operation northwoods silence child when grown folks are talking.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2007 at 11:53 am
    Hylian when grown folks are talking shut your mouth. you dont know anything if you did you would prove me wrong i simply put out facts and not a person here can go against that your a moron and you shouldnt speak on topics that all you can do is attack me. nice try children.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2007 at 11:57 am
    god notice how you last 3 guys just attack me personally lmfao you guys have no argument i am a "shi*t filled idiot" for putting out facts? lmfao please someone prove me wrong about bush having ties with enron, and enron having ties with alqueda, and prove the operation northwoods is not credible you kids are ignorant and your ignorance is taught to you by your poor or lack of parenting. no education, no questions, no changes vicious cycle. your the reason america is loosing there rights. i am no longer posting here call me fool idiot w/e you want fact is you cant argue with me simply because i know much more on this topic then you thats when your arguments become personal and useless and i know people here agree.
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    HylianNinja Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2007 at 1:19 pm
    That`s a lot of typos even for a moron. Moron.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 17, 2007 at 6:58 pm
    Take some advice from a "child". Open another account, use a different name, and start over. Let`s face the facts: as HylianNinja so eloquently put it, you are forever marked as a moron. Moron.
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    patriotpappy Male 50-59
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    April 17, 2007 at 7:02 pm
    and if you have a problem reading the post above then maybe this one will help you take some advice from a child open another account use a different name and start over lets face the facts as hylianninja so eloquently put it you are forever marked as a moron moron isnt this so easy to read you bet it is now go start under a new identity and heres a quick tip dont call yourself loosechange or northwoods or goldenarms88 it will be a dead giveaway moron.
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    GoldenArms89 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2007 at 8:43 pm
    point proven. your can only make stupid attacks last post bye children
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    April 19, 2007 at 9:44 am
    Alsta la Vista… baby
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