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  1. Profile photo of oumaverick
    oumaverick Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2007 at 8:41 pm
    Link: Tomb of Jesus found? - A group of archaeologists claim to have found the tomb housing the family of Christ
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    luke182 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 1:29 am
    i wouldnt be surprised if in a couple weeks someone tried to sell "Jesus` bones" on ebay. lol
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    volcombaby Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 2:20 am
    whatta bunch of crap.
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    ElRusso Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 2:21 am
    Having read through that, it seems to have more holes than a cheese-grater...
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    Unbreakable Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 2:36 am
    Pleeeeeaaaaseeeee...he IS riding the Dan Brown wave...how lucky for Cameron that the Da Vinci Code created a buzz just a short while ago...how opportunistic for the self-proclaimed "King of the World"!
    What people tend to forget is that 2000 years ago, men (and women) had nothing to gain from calling Jesus a God. They had their families, friends and life to lose if they believed he was God. This whole documentary sounds ridiculous...
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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:06 am
    uhhh....im sorry "bones of jesus" in case you didnt know jesus rose on the third day. wtf? what a dumbass
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    DMDekoth Male 70 & Over
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:08 am
    So they can analyze the bones and DNA and compare it to..

    wait, they`re stuck there aren`t they?

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:10 am
    "uhhh....im sorry "bones of jesus" in case you didnt know jesus rose on the third day. wtf? what a dumbass"

    lol, yea, then a unicorn shot a fireball at him, but gandolf deflected it with his warp drive.

    Your right, Pretending magical stories are real IS fun!

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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:31 am
    ^well thats acording to the story dumbdrat. so ur saying parts of the story are true parts arnt...jesus was a real person...but all the stuff he did was lies....even so his body was gone either way...they didnt find it in the tomb...so go suck something.
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    Shisi Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:18 am
    Doesn`t seem worth reading.
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    Kyur Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:19 am
    Religion sucks.
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    FLB Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:34 am
    yeah right!
    what a load of bullsh*t.
    its all crap
    (and comes down to money in the end)
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    kaybublz Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:43 am
    kyur, i concure
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    elimitator Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:47 am
    Ya, on the third day, Jesus` body was gone from the tomb, how dumb can people get about God. All there doing is trying to make believers not believe. Its just another attack from the Devil.
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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 5:19 am
    whether u think religion sucks or not...alot of it is a great way to live your live...dont lie, dont steal...ten commandments all that crap. alot of people take it to far and become bible bashers and belive blindly and just try to tell you how to live your life...bla bla. I for one try to look into it a little farther...get into the scientific aspect of it. yes beliving in jesus and what he did is enough for some people...but alot of the stories do seem a little too far fetched to belive. my definetion of religon is always trying to learn more and live as a better person...i drat up all the time...but thats only human...i dont think god judges you to harsly if your honestly trying.
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    apttodo Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 6:35 am
    BALLS
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    antdow3 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 8:14 am
    DMDekoth is rite, wat r they gonna compare his DNA to?
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    philosipher Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 8:15 am
    It`s been debunked already.
    >http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/scienc...
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    antdow3 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 8:25 am
    that link doesnt work^
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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:01 am
    I`ve got a cardboard box that moses used to sleep in.
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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:17 am
    oh, and a black bag that allah used for his recycling.
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    jetmark Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:43 am
    again?!!
    last summer`s battle in lebanon sparked this:
    "is this armageddon?"

    The news has been cancelled and replaced with this s**t.

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    oumaverick Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:08 am
    i don`t agree with their findings either. here is a video from CNN talking about the backlash

    http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.h...

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    lieunym Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:44 am
    "lol, yea, then a unicorn shot a fireball at him, but gandolf deflected it with his warp drive.

    Your right, Pretending magical stories are real IS fun!"
    That`s about right roflllllll

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    dragonrice Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 11:27 am
    Jeebus = cult.
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    for_serious? Female 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 12:18 pm
    <---- Jesus is at my house...with me...
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    nammers Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 12:24 pm
    I heard James Cameron say that it is not a Publicity Stunt. Which means it is a Publicity Stunt!
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 1:34 pm
    I love how ignorant people are on here.

    Just because you think it`s right doesn`t mean it is, so stop acting like it. It`s your opinion and that`s ALL it is.

    Evolution makes just as much sense as the Bible, the people who study evolution dont know 100% if it`s true or not.

    At least we knew Jesus existed and have proof of things that happened in the bible...

    Dont bring up the "omg wheres the dinosaurs" arguement, read through the bible.. or look on the internet. It mentions "terrible lizards" more than once.

    So stop acting like you know what your talking about, none of you have an idea, and either do I.

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    Invalok Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 1:38 pm
    "uhhh....im sorry "bones of jesus" in case you didnt know jesus rose on the third day. wtf? what a dumbass"

    And we know this for a FACT because ...?

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    Invalok Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 1:43 pm
    Me? Personally, I hope that that is the true tomb of Jesus with remains and everything, that way maybe Christians will get a well deserved humbling.

    No more of that having a guy knocking on my door saying that I`m living in sin and I`ll go to Hell and what not, unless I make a donation to this random church.

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    candy_apple Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 2:00 pm
    Four different people write about one man, and everything each says about him lines up, and no one believes it.

    Some religious crazed man finds "jesus` bones" and has no way to back up what he says, and people believe it.

    This makes me sick.

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    LKJSlain Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 2:14 pm
    "Why would Jesus` family have a tomb outside of Jerusalem if they were from Nazareth? Why would they have a tomb if they were poor?" - well, that about says it all... LOL, and for all of the people who say "What would they compare His DNA to..." ? http://www.biblediscoveries.com/arkofcov... go there and read the "Christs` blood" part.
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    red_raven Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 2:46 pm
    i agree with RyanF701
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    Bennyd Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 2:49 pm
    ""uhhh....im sorry "bones of jesus" in case you didnt know jesus rose on the third day. wtf? what a dumbass"

    And we know this for a FACT because ...?"

    Because of many eye witness accounts other than the bible.

    RyanF701 is right

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:14 pm
    ralmfao...Ryan you`re so stupid. You think that evolution is just as credible as the bible? Are you drating serious? My God. Do a little studying, why not look up something called carbon-dating, and just that alone proves that the bible is wrong. Evolution is not teleological, it`s a completely random event. It just happens to have positive effects every now and then, so people think it has an end purpose. This is a throw-back to God anyway. People believed that God created `people` with a purpose. There is no evidence for that. Occam`s razor shows us that. Based on all the evidence we have, we were created from nature, and we are natural things--not metaphysical.
  36. Profile photo of iAMzach
    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:17 pm
    ^and what started nature? hmmm?
  37. Profile photo of oumaverick
    oumaverick Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:22 pm
    "No more of that having a guy knocking on my door saying that I`m living in sin and I`ll go to Hell and what not, unless I make a donation to this random church."

    -those people aren`t really christians, they`re false teachers trying to scam you out of your money

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    wales4eva Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:41 pm
    i read about this in the sun
    i was like yeah sure this is jesus tomb
    and pigs can fly
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    wales4eva Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 3:44 pm
    btw im not insulting you christians but i find it a bit far fetched that this isn`t story of the century the story wasn`t on the front page. it was in the 40`s i think
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    thecranberry Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:02 pm
    Weird coincidince, right now im reading a (fictional) book about the exact same thing. it`s called "crossbones" and its by Kathy Reichs. Its kinda lame, but still its a weird coincidence
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    maggierose78 Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:14 pm
    I`m glad to read that there are many people who agree that the findings are "off the wall". There`s no way that these scientists can prove or disprove that the person who is in the tomb is Jesus.

    I`m a christian, and I`m not worried. It`s annoying to see all of this, but this too shall pass. There is nothing new under the sun.

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    xelous Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:28 pm
    Jesus married a whore. You should know Gee Whiz, you can`t turn a ho into a house wife.
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    Eat_p00 Female 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:37 pm
    And the forest next to my house is where tarzan lives -.-
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    maggierose78 Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 4:39 pm
    I thought Mary Magdaline was demon possessed. I`ve heard both, but the Bible reads that she was possessed. It doesn`t mention anything about her professional occupation.
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    CircleGirl Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 5:07 pm
    This sounds like a Simpsons episode. 8-)
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    Sabre200000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 5:19 pm
    Two sisters sleeping with their drunk father to continue their lineage.

    Giving a concubine to a crowd of sex crazed men to protect the men of god they wanted, then cutting up her raped, dead body and sending it to the 12 tribes as an example.

    Killing a man and his (black) wife because she is of a different race then receiving Gods grace for clearing his house of the dishonor.

    That`s just a few of the stories in the bible that sicken me. 90% of "Christians" don`t know anything about the bible. I`ve personally studied more than 20 English versions along with Hebrew and many texts that were selectively excluded. That`s what happens when you study along your father who was a pastor.

    Meh

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    SlippySanta Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 5:30 pm
    God, you guys. I don`t care whether or not you believe in God, but that doesn`t mean you can go ridiculing the other side. You can say what you believe but don`t go shoving it down other people`s throats like you`re right no matter what. I doubt that any of you are true experts in archeology so don`t act like you are. I personally believe that Jesus is Christ, because it sure as hell makes life happier when you don`t think that any second you can cease to exist forever.
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    sulu Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 5:36 pm
    wow this sounds like bull. Even if it was his real bones in that Tomb what does that prove?
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    brutalnz Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2007 at 5:49 pm
    A problem with this item:

    If you believe in Jesus, it can`t be his bones as he didn`t leave any

    If you believe it`s his bones, you can`t believe in Jesus

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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 6:06 pm
    Jesus is imaginary. God is imaginary. Christians and other theists are deluded...
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    Bekll Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 6:10 pm
    SPrinkZ "Evolution is not teleological, it`s a completely random event."

    Correct about the first, DEAD WRONG about the second.

    Evolution is, in fact, a NON-random process that has a small ingredient of chance in it (i.e., mutations).

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    Cardinal998 Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 6:39 pm
    This is so freaking stupid, Jesus didn`t leave behind bones, he was taken up into heaven and therefore doesn`t have a tomb.
    Also, he wasn`t married and didn`t have children, so this is completely made-up.
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    Woot45 Female 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 6:43 pm
    ^ yeah Cardinal, you`re right. Jesus rose again and there wasn`t a body left or anything, just the burial clothes. And BTW, evolution couldn`t have happened. the chance is about 0%.
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    triindiglo Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 7:12 pm
    ^^Above two people are idiots.

    The sad part is that it doesn`t even matter if this kind of thing was true, you can`t change religion. All the wackos that are `in charge` deny any possible change and its been so long that they won`t believe anything new.

    They deny and advancements/improvements a.k.a. science a.k.a. things that are proven a.k.a. real things.

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    vladthewolf Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 7:59 pm
    Very true triindiglo^. The Christians are sheep who will follow nothing other than what Jerry Farwell tells them to believe.
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    Kenninator Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 8:13 pm
    Man, I wonder if any of you saw that on South Park episode where Cartman gets frozen and wakes up 500 years in the future. Well, that episode had a serious lesson many of you can learn from.

    Just because somebody doesn`t think the same way you do, doesn`t mean you have the right to be an all around jerk to them. The episode made fun of the fact many atheists are just as intolerant, if not more, than the people they look down upon. You see anybody remotely religious and you automaticaly assume they`re a brainwashed fool. I, a very tolerant person, have atheist friends. Thankfully they aren`t the type of atheists who have a stick up their butt.

    If you think there is any scientific evidence to support the claims of these people, you seriously need to think.

    I just ask one thing, stop being freaking jerks to each other. Somebody doesn`t believe in evolution? Who gives a crap!? Wipe the smirk off your face and judge somebody based on how they act, not what they believe.

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    MikePiano Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 8:16 pm
    waitwaitwait so evolution didn`t happen? haha. you guys are stoopid. as for the whole tomb thing, its definitely BS.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 8:49 pm
    "lol, yea, then a unicorn shot a fireball at him, but gandolf deflected it with his warp drive.

    Your right, Pretending magical stories are real IS fun!"

    Hilarious!

    As to the idea of evolution, just google it. There has been plenty of proof on the matter. The big reason religion and science create such debates on the forums is the fact that usually its the religious people who start the whole argument.

    "uhhh....im sorry "bones of jesus" in case you didnt know jesus rose on the third day. wtf? what a dumbass"

    That is the first argumentative post on this list of comments.

    Kenninator: True, some of us are intolerant. However, evolution has been damn near scientifically proven. The fact that religious people won`t even begin to consider it is what`s really intolerant. Besides, that South Park episode doesn`t make sense for one reason: If atheists would be fighting over what to call themselves, then churches should logically today be fighting over wh

  59. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 8:53 pm
    what to call themselves, today. They aren`t. And the big thing is that all scientific evidence flies in the face of religion, yet people still mindlessly believe what they`re told. Billions of people have died because people can`t figure out who`s beliefs are correct, and kill each other over it. The Crusades? What about the fighting today between Sunnis and Shiites?

    Besides, we`ve only seen one side of the argument. According to many religions, all of the holy books were written by the son of God! What about the books of the Devil? *rolleyes*

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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:13 pm
    meh whatever side your on theres gonna be wars. religion starts more wars then anything else, just look at the impending civil war in iraq, but science makes these wars have the potential to be 100x more deadly. I dont really care what one side or the other thinks, religion is intolerant but since neither creationism or evolution has been proven its basically what you want to belive in. the thing that boters me though is if someday we do discover undeniable evidence on one side or the other will the side proven wrong back down or will they change to put this back into another miserable stalemate of resentment/hate between the 2 sides? Either way were going to blow ourselves up its just a matter of time...and btw why did stocks fall over 400 points today? Now thats an important thing to argue about and probally wont start a war. On a final note its religion that is making the US so politically correct, trying to cram their beliefs down the peoples throats. That is my problem.
  61. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:26 pm
    Evolution has been proven. That`s why it`s called a SCIENTIFIC THEORY (google it) and not a THEORY. A theory is a speculation, scientific theory is fact. Are you going to tell me that gravity doesn`t exist? It`s a scientific theory as well.

    Evolution is backed by mountains upon mountains of evidence. The church is the problem, not the scientist. Most scientists were religious and were seeking a way to understand God. So if you`re going to say that they are atheists, you are wrong. Newton was known to pray as much as he worked on his classical theory of relativity. So don`t kid yourself.

    But there is no evidence for God. Ask yourself this...would anyone believe in God if there was no evidence? Burning bushes, floods, and plain talking to his followers was some of the things he`d do. It`s not hard to follow when you`re in the presence of the divine.

  62. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:30 pm
    Even though, none of that REALLY happened. But, it goes to show you that people DO need evidence to believe in something. People DO need to be introduced to God to understand God. No one is born a Christian, or a Muslim, or anything. You don`t even know you`re in the universe, or that you are a human, or anything about where you are. God is a natural conclusion to fear. I am an atheist, but I have my own type of solace, and it`s perfectly scientific. I don`t fear death, because death is a stupid concept to begin with. I would explain my argument, but it`s about 10 pages long, and the language is difficult and mostly jargon and esotericism.

    The main point is this: there is no evidence for God. There is as much evidence for God as there is for the Trix Rabbit, Lucky from Lucky charms, and any other general mills or post cereal characters.

    So if that`s true, why believe in God? Also, what started life is a natural occurrence.

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    myrandommind Female 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:31 pm
    Just a question: What is UP with all the bashing? Seriously, whatever happened to "Live, and let live?" Just because someone`s point of view and beliefs are different than yours, doesn`t mean you should try to tear down their faith. What the hell has happened to the world?
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:31 pm
    now, i`m a Christian, but i don`t think that this is actually Jesus` tomb. theres too much biblical evidence against it.

    and i don`t want to get into the religious argument (and trust me, this isnt my only reason for my beliefs), but i would find life terribly depressing if my whole lifes purpose was just to make it through 70 or so short years and then cease to exist. sorry i guess i just had to put in my two cents

    * and to the above post, that is why we have faith. when you are a christian, you just KNOW that there is a God. My faith and my relationship has brough me a happiness that i never felt before I was a christian.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:32 pm
    To assume that it`s metaphysical intervention, or perhaps divine, is arbitrary inference. This is flawed logic, and should be avoided. Nothing has been ever seen in nature to be beyond nature. Everything in this world is progressively explained by the language of math, or philosophy. So you see the trend, what makes you believe it`s not natural? Our thoughts are natural, our bodies are natural. We belong to nature, and we do not have a monopoly on our thoughts, our feelings, or anything about us. We exist in the same sense of anything else here. Conservation of energy and mass. You may think that it is lucky we are here, or that it was planned. It wasn`t luck, or a plan. It just is. We`re infinitely important, as well as the antithesis of that.

    So deal with it, there was probably a Jesus, but he was probably just a wise person who wished to rise against the Romans. Let`s stop arguing already.

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    Dougg Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:39 pm
    "Jesus is imaginary. God is imaginary. Christians and other theists are deluded... "

    Well I`m convinced.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm
    So Horn, couldn`t you BELIEVE in another God? In a different God that takes care of you? Could you believe in something as abstract and deep as this scenario:

    Your thoughts belong to nature. Nature owns your thoughts, and you do not own them. So what does this mean? You are totally a part of nature. If you think of nature as just plants, grass, and animals you are wrong. Nature is everything. The particles, light, waves, quanta, etc.

    You are part of that, and I`ve seen no evidence for anything stepping outside of nature or probability. So where is God?

  68. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm
    Even though, none of that REALLY happened. But, it goes to show you that people DO need evidence to believe in something. People DO need to be introduced to God to understand God. No one is born a Christian, or a Muslim, or anything. You don`t even know you`re in the universe, or that you are a human, or anything about where you are. God is a natural conclusion to fear. I am an atheist, but I have my own type of solace, and it`s perfectly scientific. I don`t fear death, because death is a stupid concept to begin with. I would explain my argument, but it`s about 10 pages long, and the language is difficult and mostly jargon and esotericism.

    The main point is this: there is no evidence for God. There is as much evidence for God as there is for the Trix Rabbit, Lucky from Lucky charms, and any other general mills or post cereal characters.

    So if that`s true, why believe in God? Also, what started life is a natural occurrence.

  69. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm
    To assume that it`s metaphysical intervention, or perhaps divine, is arbitrary inference. This is flawed logic, and should be avoided. Nothing has been ever seen in nature to be beyond nature. Everything in this world is progressively explained by the language of math, or philosophy. So you see the trend, what makes you believe it`s not natural? Our thoughts are natural, our bodies are natural. We belong to nature, and we do not have a monopoly on our thoughts, our feelings, or anything about us. We exist in the same sense of anything else here. Conservation of energy and mass. You may think that it is lucky we are here, or that it was planned. It wasn`t luck, or a plan. It just is. We`re infinitely important, as well as the antithesis of that.

    So deal with it, there was probably a Jesus, but he was probably just a wise person who wished to rise against the Romans. Let`s stop arguing already.

  70. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:44 pm
    So Horn, couldn`t you BELIEVE in another God? In a different God that takes care of you? Could you believe in something as abstract and deep as this scenario:

    Your thoughts belong to nature. Nature owns your thoughts, and you do not own them. So what does this mean? You are totally a part of nature. If you think of nature as just plants, grass, and animals you are wrong. Nature is everything. The particles, light, waves, quanta, etc.

    You are part of that, and I`ve seen no evidence for anything stepping outside of nature or probability. So where is God?

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    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:44 pm
    "Dont bring up the "omg wheres the dinosaurs" arguement, read through the bible.. or look on the internet. It mentions "terrible lizards" more than once."
    yea, it mentions the "Leviathan" and another names that people associate with "big", which were possibly dinosaurs.
    "Me? Personally, I hope that that is the true tomb of Jesus with remains and everything, that way maybe Christians will get a well deserved humbling."
    thats stupid. what if Christians ARE right, and you SHOULD be devoting yourself? then YOU would get the "humbling you deserve".
    "Jesus is imaginary. God is imaginary. Christians and other theists are deluded..."
    oh, and theyre so closed-minded too, right? i mean, not only do they go against "common belief", but they dont give a reason for it, right? idiot. what makes you so sure YOU arent deluted? really, nothing makes any theory of origin more or less true, so dont ac
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    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:52 pm
    "^^Above two people are idiots."
    no, youre an idiot. you didnt catch the obvious sarcasm in what woot45 said, so you assume she was acctually agreeing.
    "As to the idea of evolution, just google it. There has been plenty of proof on the matter. The big reason religion and science create such debates on the forums is the fact that usually its the religious people who start the whole argument."
    SHUT UP and tell us this undenyable "proof" youre talking about. seriously, do you know what youre acctually typing? there is NO more proof that evolution has occured than there is proof that it didnt.
    "Evolution has been proven. That`s why it`s called a SCIENTIFIC THEORY (google it) and not a THEORY. A theory is a speculation, scientific theory is fact. Are you going to tell me that gravity doesn`t exist? It`s a scientific theory as well."
    SHOW ME THIS PROOF. dont jsut be a whiney little kid and say "look ut up on google". google can
  73. Profile photo of sertrbl
    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:58 pm
    give a freaking website, dont just say "nuh uh google said so". besides, evolution hasnt been proven. sure, speicies can and probly do adapt, but theres absolutely NO garuntee that it does/did happen. the absolute truth is, no amount of science can "Prove" anything, except for in a scientific manner. something can only be proven or disproven assuming it follows all current laws of physics, but there are no garuntees to that.
    "The main point is this: there is no evidence for God. There is as much evidence for God as there is for the Trix Rabbit, Lucky from Lucky charms, and any other general mills or post cereal characters."
    if you assume the possiblity that there IS a divine creator out there, then you can use thins based on that to prove it. if you believe the universe acts a certain way, always does, and always will, you can prove something that way too. you cant say how the universe was before human beings, before history.
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    sertrbl Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 9:59 pm
    dont sound like such a bigoted SCUM of teh earth, you cant and never will know waht really happened. no one will. untill you die, you cant possibly know what happens after you die. deal with it.
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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:02 pm
    did nobody read what i wrote. while one side may have significantly more evidnce then the other peoples faith will overrule the knowledge you see as proof. Stop trying to convert each other because it will not work all your doing is starting a war. While it is not a full scale war its a war of the I-am-bored.com website over beliefs that people are not going to change because neither side has enough evidence. Although I can tell which side SPrinkZ is on and while he has some good facts it cannot be undeniably proven, yet. Religion is strong and people will not leave their faith behind even if Darwanism is proven. The whole point is neither side will win so STOP trying to convert each other and focus on why the stock dropped over 400 points in the US today cause id sure like to know.

    As always: -- The Truth Is Out There --

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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:06 pm
    also like to say ty to sertrbl its kinda what I was thinking the whole time. Who knows or cares whos right, lets focus on something other then fighting each other like telling me why the stock dropped because i dont feel like looking it up.

    As always: -- The Truth Is Out There --

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:07 pm
    Actually, science has been winning for a long time. Since Kepler to Einstein. Even monks have been chopped down by the clergy because they were trying to understand things like rainbows.

    So ask yourself, who is really at war here?

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    Carbon Dating proves nothing, only idiots believe the world is 2006 years old, and only idiots believe that the bible says the world is 2006 years old. It`s 2006 AD people, not BC. The bible NEVER says how long it took to create the Earth, it says he took "7 days" to do it, who`s to limit God to a 24 hour day? Especially when there was NO sun to tell the time.

    I admit you have some good points, SprinkZ however, you can`t prove yourself right, either can I. It makes you look like a fool if you try to argue your point, there`s a certain wall that you hit eventually and there is nothing more to be said.

    So might as well leave all the immature `insults` behind.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:07 pm
    Tell me Sertrbl, do you know what <E>=nhv means?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:11 pm
    Actually biblical scholars believe the earth is only about 6,000 years old.

    To translate what you are really saying is: "I can interpret the bible an infinite amount of ways because of the ambiguous nature of it. Since I can do that, I can never be wrong, because I never settled on any answers--ever."

    Thanks for pointing that out. It`s impossible to prove you wrong, because you never took a stance.

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:12 pm
    I never said evolution never happened, I said that you can`t deny the existance of a God. To think that NONE of the events in the Bible ever happened is pretty ridiculous, but like I said. You`ve hit that wall, you can bring up all the scientific proof you want and it wont alter peoples opinions.

    This is called faith.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:13 pm
    I can`t deny God, but there is no proof for God. If there is no evidence for something, it doesn`t mean it`s true.

    Logical fallacy number one: Negative Truth.

    Still your `faith` is equally as absurd as believing in Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny. Why don`t you believe in them? Why don`t you believe in Zeus? He`s just as possible as God, isn`t he?

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:16 pm
    Because bunny rabbits don`t lay eggs, fat men cant fit down chimneys, and zeus would burn his hands on lightning bolts.

    I never said I was Christian either, I believe in God but I think most religion is extremely closed minded. There IS proof of evolution, but there`s also evidence to combat that, if I wasn`t lazy and I cared enough to fight a battle that I`m not on a side i`d go out and try to research it.

    Like someone said earlier, we wont know until we die.

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    lilrebbitzen Female 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:17 pm
    Yosef, Miriam, and Yeshua (Joseph, Mary, and Jesus) were extremely common names back then.

    Also, why weren`t the bones found in Nazereth, were he was from?

    What a total load of bull.

    Even the archeologists are pretty sure this is either a coincidence or a fraud.

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    pearljam0307 Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:17 pm
    I forgot who said this but

    people believe in reliogion for answers about the "next" life they believe in god because they think he is there
    but if he doesnt exsist no harm no foul

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:20 pm
    Also, bible scholars can say as much as they want, they`re not God.. Like you said the Bible can be interpreted in a billion different ways, it`s just a matter of creative reading and finding loopholes to justify things.. which is exactly what scholars do. To sum up what I believe in briefly:

    There is a God, and he jump started everything, and kept watch on it, and still does.

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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:21 pm
    point well made Ryan kinda what ive been tryin to get at, well put but what if Zeus had gloves on?...
    As always: -- The Truth Is Out There --
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    kmdavis85 Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:22 pm
    I think it`d be too difficult to prove conclusively one way or the other.
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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:26 pm
    however whos to say the universe was created? That is my biggest problem with our race we always assume that since we have to be created that everything else does. Whos to say the universe hasnt always just existed. Beofre you call me an idiot remember what I said, just because we have to be created does that mean that everything does? Fire away.

    As always: -- The Truth Is Out There --

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:32 pm
    Actually it was confirmed by biblical scholars that the earth is 6,000 years old. Carbon dating can go back much further than that. Plus, there is tons of scientific evidence for a big bang, one of those is the left-over radiation from it.
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    Menjensen57 Male 13-17
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:35 pm
    Those of you who are arguing about how the universe can`t just be there i recommend you read up on a guy called Alan Guth
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:36 pm
    Steady state theory is long dead Bigbear. Get with the times.

    All the evidence against evolution is creationist`s misunderstanding of fundamental laws, like the second law of thermodynamics .

    So whatever evidence you`ve seen to combat it is false. If there was evidence that trumped evolution, evolutionary theory wouldn`t be here.

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:40 pm
    I guess that goes both ways? If there was enough evidence to completely trash Religion it wouldn`t be there either.

    Look, I know what your saying, I`m not saying your wrong at all. I`m not saying I`m wrong at all. I`m not saying either of us are right, we both bring up valid points, along with some other people arguing.

    I`m not denying evolution, but I`m not denying the Bible or God.

    Honestly? Bible humpers piss me off as much as anyone else. Like I said, religion is very closed minded.
    "BELIEVE THIS OR YOUR WRONG", but plenty of evolutionists are like that too. There`s plenty of prime examples in this thread.

    It`s better not to argue about these things, this is why wars happen :P

    Guess we`ll find out when we`re dead huh?

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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:44 pm
    im not fighting you, infact if i had to take sides id be on yours, but some of what youve said is a little hard to belive. Evolution is the way i would go only because it has been more proven then creationism. Id also like to state that anyone who thinks the earth is 6000 years old is an idiot( i know thats not what you belive), its been here many more years than that. Lastly if the proof can be denied by belivers then it will be thus making our argument somewhat pointless although i have enojyed reading some of what you said while others of it have been more or less ramballing. Well I`m going to watch the news now cause i really wanna know why stocks droped like %3.

    As always: -- The Truth Is Out There --

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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:47 pm
    yeah, death will answer our questions, better to live while we can. And we all know its the Mormons who are right.

    As always: -- The Truth Is Out There --

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 10:47 pm
    no no no, mormons will get a fenced off section of Heaven so they will think they are the only ones up there.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 11:11 pm
    Look, I see you guys have a very narrow view of the natural universe. Just understand that once you begin to get into higher grades, and eventually into college (I see promise in both of you), you will probably think as I do. At this point, with limited knowledge, evolution does seem strange. I used to think that too, until I began to study it. It makes a lot of sense, and I can`t see how it doesn`t make sense.
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    triindiglo Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 11:23 pm
    Evolution is not a theory, it is a fact.

    The only `theory` about it is how it happens, what causes it to happen, the process,etc(natural selection)

    Just like gravity - the fact that it exists is not disputed by intelligent people. However, they don`t know exactly why it works the way it does.

    Don`t be stupid - you might as well walk around saying "it`s just a theory that I have a head!" if you call `just a theory`.

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    triindiglo Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 11:26 pm
    Oh yeah, and no one can use the argument `you can`t prove something doesn`t exist` because you can.

    For example: There never was, is, or will be a cubic sphere, anywhere.

    ^That is fact.

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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 11:38 pm
    may i point out the therory of the uncaused cause. no matter how far you go theres always something else....atoms are made of something...quirks have to be made of something....how long does this go on for? eternity? there is no such thing as eternity. its an idea humans created nothing is eternal...even stars have an ending point. if there is no eternity...then it must have had a begining. jesus/god said hes the begining and the end. uncaused cause.
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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 11:44 pm
    you guys arnt adressing the issue. to get to the bottom...you have to go to the start. evolution...ok...whatever....that dosnt have anything to do with how the universe was formed. the universe HAD to have been created. Intelligence dosnt come from unitelligence...u ask me to belive that and you look like the fools. its easier and more SANE to accept that we didnt create ourselves...something someone...must have started it off. Look past the "fairy tales" as you call them and adress the real issue. Evolution is a therory...accepting that there was a god and understanding that thats the only possible way it could have happened is the intelligent thing to do. now live your life and search for signs of it...try to prove it. dont just point to the bible and say "theres your proof" be intelligent. we were blessed with it....now use it.
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    damoo Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2007 at 11:56 pm
    I found jesus before jesus found me. teeheehee
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    happykyle49 Male 13-17
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    February 28, 2007 at 12:06 am
    why cant we all just live in peace? let people believe in the bible if they want. that just like one telling another not to like chocolate icecream, and to start liking strawberry instead.
    Bigots..

    is one not entitled to his or her own personal opinion?

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    triindiglo Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 12:26 am
    They are entitled to their opinion, but it is extremely sad to see people believe in this stuff.

    Besides, someone is right ans someone is wrong(at least with this) We are not arguing whether something is good/bad. We are arguing fact. Anybody that understands science can understand that opinion has no place in this argument.


    "Intelligence dosnt come from unitelligence"

    First, you are not credible if you don`t even make an attempt at spelling or grammar.
    Second, the Bible says God is good. It says people are evil. If intelligence cannot come from non-intelligence then how can evil come from good?
    (The `Free will` argument is BS, God is all-powerful, he could have given us free will and made us good)

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 12:38 am
    All arguments for God are flawed. Trindiglo obviously knows his stuff. Evolution is fact. Correct. Things can be disproved. Correct.

    Negative truth is still negative truth. Also, omniscience is the presence of all knowledge being available at any given time. No thoughts are necessary; no intelligence is necessary either.

    Intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing.

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    Dudes113 Male 13-17
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    February 28, 2007 at 1:00 am
    Just to get it out there, I`m an athiest. But a lot of what Ryan is true, you can`t prove anyone or thing wrong with religion. Even though i believe in the big bang and evolution, as much as I pressure people to belive it theres no way they`ll change.

    If you`re in an argument about religion, once a person says "Because I have faith" Its over. Once they say that theres no way to change their mind. I think that this find is really his bones, and I wish some christians here would atleast think that MAYBE the bible was wrong on a few points. If there is a God and i`m proven wrong, i`ll accept it. But so many christians are so ignorant to think that their religion is wrong.

    Either way, theres no way to change a persons mind without 100%, indisputable proof, athiest or christian or whatever.

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    iAMzach Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 2:07 am
    bad spelling aside...whatever i really dont care...you know what im trying to say. How can u say the free will argument is bs? god DID create us perfect in the begining....paradise...all that. He also gave adam and eve free will by placing a tree for them there. and telling them to not do something. The devil (fallen angel) is what tempted them to do wrong by lying to them. satan...in wanting to be god...was cast out of heaven..all that stuff. anyways. when god said "you may do anything, EXCEPT eat from this tree" thats when he gave them free will. Sin and evil and all that crap entered the world...when man disobeyed. god created a perfect world...a little bitch angel drated it all up and man played a part in it for listening. thats the way the story goes.
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 2:08 am
    isn`t there evidence that proves the credibilty of the bible, such as the dead sea scrolls? now i honestly havent researched them thoroughly, but i think they were writings that coincide with alot of what is said in the bible, and I think they have been dated to the 1st century ad. doesn`t this have any significance to people who say there is no evidence?
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 6:25 am
    I find it hilarious that so many people here have adopted the stance of `how can you explain everything that happens in the Bible`. I wonder if in 2,000 years someone will find an old copy of Harry Potter and form an entire religion around it. I mean, come on, what`s to say the Bible is true at all?
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 6:27 am
    Oh, horn4231, word gets around. That`s an entire century for someone to have made the scrolls, which are (were) just a restatement of the Bible. Remember, no copy machines back then.
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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 12:21 pm
    THIS IS UTTER B*LL*CKS, JUST LIKE RELIGION IN GENERAL. IF YOU BELIEVE BURNING BUSHES, PEOPLE RISING FROM THE DEAD, SEAS BEING PARTED ETC OVER SCIENTIFIC FACT THEN YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT. RELIGION IS THE BIGGEST PRANK EVER PLAYED ON HUMANITY. LISTEN TO THIS, THERE IS NOTHING AFTER WE DIE.....NOTHING!!! WE ARE SIMPLY ANIMALS THAT DEVELOPED SELF AWARENESS, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. YOU ARE TOTALLY SELF DELUSIONAL IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE. STOP LOOKING FOR DEEPER MEANINGS IN YOUR LIFE AND JUST GET ON WITH IT. A 2000 YEAR OLD WORK OF FICTION AND......ER...THATS IT ACTUALLY. AN ENTIRE WORLD SHAPED BY THE FABLES OF SOME OLD TW*T. GROW UP, WAKE UP. IF THERE IS A HIGHER ULTIMATE POWER, HE`S KEPT F*CKING QUIET OVER THE LAST TWO MILLENNIA. HAPPY CLAPPING TIME WASTING FOOLS. TAKE A LOOK AT A MONKEY NEXT TIME YOU`RE AT THE ZOO, WATCH HOW CLOSELY THEIR ACTION RESEMBLE OURS. I THINK IT`S AN AWFUL LOT MORE LIKELY WE CAME FROM THEM THAN SOME GIANT HAND POINTING OUT OF A CLOUD. I feel better now.
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    silly-cake Female 13-17
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    February 28, 2007 at 12:51 pm
    I personally am undecided, though I would really like to become a Buddhist. My only problem is that I don`t know how :(
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 1:06 pm
    sprink im sorry you feel that way - that must be a depressing life to live. but if you ever might begin to think that there is something more to life, then give me an email [email protected] and ill try my best to answer any questions you have about christianity. thanks. ill be praying for you
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    Gagala Female 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 1:14 pm
    It`s too late for any material evidence to make a difference. What was important was the spiritual teachings, and they`ve been pretty much altered to the point of destruction forever. Atlantis didn`t actually happen long ago in the past. We`re living in the beginning of Atlantis now, folks. The flood is a symbolic flood, of unconsciousness.

    Sorry. If this bugs you, just tell yourself that I`m saying pretty much what lots of other people are saying, just using slightly different words: It`s a bum deal.

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    Gagala Female 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 1:16 pm
    Silly-cake, you can learn about Buddhism through the website accesstoinsight.org, the best of its kind. If you want.
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    Gagala Female 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 1:20 pm
    Whoaaaaaaaah. My head just asploded on pondering the word "diagnosis."

    Heavy. Okay, sorry, bye. SO sorry to hear that so many of you needed so much more loving. It`s become a pretty scary world in which to try to put into practice that advice of the Beatles, about the love you get to take being somehow equal to the love you make.....I sympathize, but sympathy is now only a sentiment and quite powerless.

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 1:31 pm
    Sprink, by posting in all caps and saying "im right your all idiots" you`ve shot down everything you said all by yourself :P
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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 2:04 pm
    EEEEERRRRRRR.........NO I HAVEN`T. What the hell does THAT mean.
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    silly-cake Female 13-17
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    February 28, 2007 at 2:05 pm
    Thank you so much Gagala!
    I think Buddhism is a woderful religion, I would be proud to become a part of it :)
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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 2:20 pm
    Religion is for people who feel unfulfilled in some way. If something bad happens to them, you always hear "it`s gods will" or, my favourite, the one size fits all religious explanation for anything "God moves in mysterious ways". That makes everything fine then. Religion is a way of deflecting bad things so you dont have to face things `alone`. If your cat dies for instance, instead of facing the truth that kitty was born, had an enjoyable life, then died and ...er....well thats it, religion is a way of `taking the edge` of tragic or similar events by providing another, softer explanation. That somehow dear old kitty cat is up on cloud, playing with a ball of wool with all the billions of other cats that have died since time began. Religion is a cushion for those that cant take the fall. I`m sorry, but i`m a realist,in a realists world. If this God stuff is so powerful and pervasive then SHOW ME SOME PROOF!!!!. ANYTHING except tired old fables. You can`t, because
  121. Profile photo of sprink99
    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 2:22 pm
    THERE ISN`T ANY!!!.
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    Sabre200000 Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 2:31 pm
    I believe in God. But, I don`t believe in any god of any organized religion or follow any type of organized worship that was created by men.If you do that then you are simply a follower that doesn`t know "god" personally.

    It`s too hard to explain, but if you believe in God because it`s what you know and it has nothing to do with what MEN taught you...well you may be on to something.

    It`s an individual thing, not a group/organized thing as far as I`m concerned. They do need to make money like the rest of us though, so they`ll always have a need for customers.

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    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 3:33 pm
    Regardless of whether or not there is any proof of God or evolution, none of you can force everyone to think in one way.
    The athiests on here are pissed that the religious people won`t admit to evolution, but you`re acting the same exact way that you claim the religious people are acting.
    You can`t force everyone in the world to believe one thing. It will never work, and it`s not something that you want. Someone on here earlier mentioned a South Park episode where in the future, the entire world was athiests. But even then, they had wars. (Yeah, it was over what to call themselves, but still.) No matter what, not everyone is going to be the same. Some of you have to accept that because you`re acting exactly like the crazy bible pushers.
    "You have to believe in evolution! YOU HAVE TOO!!!!"
    Get over it and just be satisfied that YOU know the "truth".
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    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 3:45 pm
    "Look, I see you guys have a very narrow view of the natural universe. Just understand that once you begin to get into higher grades, and eventually into college (I see promise in both of you), you will probably think as I do. At this point, with limited knowledge, evolution does seem strange. I used to think that too, until I began to study it. It makes a lot of sense, and I can`t see how it doesn`t make sense."

    Also, I think that this ^ is the biggest load of crap I`ve read on this thread. To assume that someone is not taking your side because you`re educated and they`re not? To assume that if they knew all you do, they would automatically take your side?
    I know this is a hard concept, but not everyone is going to think like you do. Even if they study evolution and take college classes, it doesn`t mean that they`re going to believe it.
    You are officially JUST as bad as those crazy bible thumpers that run around.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 3:58 pm
    Simple answer to everything discussed here!
    What acctual proof do we have God is real. None AT ALL. There is no physical proof OTHER THAN WHAT YOU MAKE!
    the bible is not proof. Its a book. Its what you have faith in but reguardless of what you can say there is NO PROOF. Religion is based on belief that something is true. That does not make it factual.
    Evolution is theory. However..there IS physical evidence to support the theory but it`s like 1 huge jigsaw and we only have the 4 corners! Reguardless..its theory!

    Religion is based on the concept of "this book is right" all others are wrong. Where as true sciencetist would tell you that theorys are felexible till phsically proven. thats what a theory is.

    Science wins..religion dosnt because its inflexible. I might ask you to prove Gods existance..you cant. You may ask me to disprove God..I cant!

    See the problem?

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    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    February 28, 2007 at 4:43 pm
    people on this thread are wondering why christians and atheists are so stubborn about convincing the other side that they are right. as christians, its our job to bring the joy we have in christ to other people - its instructed to us in the Bible. Now, i don`t understand what atheists have to gain by arguing with us, but that is what they want to do, so i guess i can`t stop them. also, i realize that i probably won`t bring anybody to christianity by simply writing on this thread, but it is possible that i might plant a seed of doubt in somebody`s mind that there maybe really is a God, and maybe some day in the future they will want to learn more about it. that is why i, personally, am on this thread.
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    sulu Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 5:44 pm
    We oppose it because we don`t need a book with questionable evidence of god`s "existence" to tell us how to live a happy moral life, and to rely on it to tell us how the universe works and how life started.
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    February 28, 2007 at 7:12 pm
    and also, everybody puts so much weight into how reliable `science` is and how christianity cannot be proven through science. if i were living 1000 years ago, people would be telling me about how science says the earth is flat. so who`s to say how reliable today`s science is? what you can prove today will, at some point in the future, be looked on like the people back then who thought the earth was flat. just a thought - EVERYTHING cannot be proven by science.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 8:11 pm
    horn4231

    Acctually it was the CHURCH claiming the earth was flat, prior to that Earth was the center of the universe.

    It was acctually the sceintific elements within the church that changed and ultimetly changed this !
    The problem we have here people is education. I dont mean that rudely but think about it. If you belive in God and creationism etc you are NOT going to look the other way and disprove what you belive? When was the last time you met a creationist who spent years and years following science to try and disprove creationism?
    Never.
    However..there are many atheists who followed whatever religion you have but ultimetly came to the decision through their own findings.

    I`ve studied religion and I`m sorry..I find nothing of value. You can point out certain historical points that show what a mess some religions really are..such as declareations of the impending rapture..happened on numerous occasions that one..yet any flaw can allways be said to be the ramblings of

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    February 28, 2007 at 8:15 pm
    >> a madman. Now most of these people where quite respected within the Christian community..yet all were wrong! Yet people now call them mad or misguided! They all claim to have spoken to God or had visions..yet are debunked.
    Now if someone came foward tomorrow and said they talked to God..most people would think they where nuts!
    So as a religion, christianity paradoxes itself. Either some christians CAN talk to God or they are mad?

    oh I`m not going to bother with this..pointless argument..I wont change anyones stance and neither do I care.

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    Bigbear5000 Male 18-29
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    February 28, 2007 at 10:42 pm
    I have read every post up to this point now and am currently wondering why I still feel the need to continue typing, and then it hit me, I have nothing better to do other than post my beliefs on this little thread that no more then 10000 people will view...i guess the whole point is not to "convert" other people here its all been to force doubt into the other side...I will continue to take the side of science only because up to this point (not only on this thread) it is much easier to belive then creationism. Either way I am being honest when I say that science has debunked much of creationsism`s comments on this forum and until someone gives me some good evidence on creationsism`s side I have no reason to belive any thing that is said. I will listen to what both sides say and if ya give me a good observation/fact/reason my view can be changed as I`m not as stuborn as some that have posted on here but one side is much easier to aggree with..

    As always: -- The Truth Is Out

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    bwahbwah Male 13-17
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    February 28, 2007 at 11:45 pm
    Publicity Stunt.
    IMO.
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    krzybear415 Male 13-17
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    March 1, 2007 at 12:28 am
    All of you that criticize Christianity are lucky to live in this "free country". Although often refered to as free religion, one has to remember that all of these principles came from none other than Christians.
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    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 2:25 am
    hey i just did a bit of research, and i found nowhere where it said the church invented those ideas. i found that those ideas were originally adopted by philosophers who had little connection with the church. science can`t explain everything. This universe is WAY too big to have happened by chance, and the human body is WAY too complex to have been created by unintelligent design. honestly, no matter how many different ways i look at it, i cannot even begin tomake myself doubt the existence of a God. also, I`m not trying to force my ideas on anybody. like i said earlier, im only hoping to plant a seed of doubt in someone`s mind so that maybe at a later date they will feel compelled to look into Christianity further.

    i`m still praying for you guys.

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    horn4231 Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2007 at 2:40 am
    http://www.everystudent.com/features/ist...

    please look at this website.

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    sprink99 Male 30-39
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    March 1, 2007 at 10:53 am
    horn4231,You make the point that the human body is WAY too complex to be created by unintelligent design. You are correct, because the human body was not `designed`, it EVOLVED. We started off as a single cell organism, this EVOLVED over millions of years to a multiple cell organism, these in turn EVOLVED into mammals, reptiles etc, each group evolving and adapting to it`s particular needs and requirements. As creatures, for instance needed to leave the water for food, they gradually developed the ability to breath air. The human body is indeed very complex, but each part EVOLVED as a new need arose. We began to stand upright for instance so we could run faster and see further, we developed thumbs so we could hold odjects and manipulate them. We was not made as if coming off gods production line as a finished article. Evolution continues today as much as at any time, it can be SEEN AND PROVEN. That`s the clincher. I can physically show proof that you can hold in your hand, you cannot.
  137. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 11:20 am
    well if you want to talk science some more, then you should know that every effect must have a cause. therefore, how did the first single celled organism get here? if there is no creator, then it just appeared out of thin air? and the universe? did it just appear one day, too? i`m just trying to pose a few questions to make you think.
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    sprink99 Male 30-39
    393 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 12:25 pm
    Questions are good. You make the very point that i was trying to explain though, cause and effect. The cause that influences one species to be succesful or not has an effect on subsequent offspring. An animal that can run the fastest will catch more prey than a slower one, therefore over 100,000`s of generations, the faster animals will become more prevelent, therefore the species will by definition evolve to incorporate the charectaristics of the fastest animals. As for the beginings of the universe, well, no easy answers anywhere for that, but at least science is LOOKING for explanations. It will come in time. Man couldn`t explain the rise and fall of the sun until (scientific)instruments and techniques were developed to investigate and explain it. Also at least the scientific community is honest about this. Theories are put forward but are never stated as fact because they are not proven....yet.
  139. Profile photo of horn4231
    horn4231 Male 18-29
    87 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 1:23 pm
    so basically if i find something that can only be explained by the existence of God, you will counter by saying `science can`t explain it yet, but someday it will`. if that is the case, then i can never convince you about God, because you are basing your beliefs in scienctific laws that don`t even exist.

    im still praying for you.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 1:28 pm
    How about - If we dont know something we take a guess?

    Oh wait..you GUESS there is a God just as I GUESS there was evolution.

    Coming up with the concept that some omnipetent being created all is the simplest answer. You cant back it up and you just accept it.

    Funny..the Mayans used to think if they didnt worship the Sun God, the sun would go away!

    This argument is totally pointless. I`m as likely to convert you from religion as I am of finding Jesus in my life. Not going to happen!

    Oh and Horn4231...I want you to think about your "cause and effect" remark. therefore..from what you say If God made the universe and all in it..something must have made him yes?

    See..There are potholes in everyones argument the other can exploit because...we cant prove or disprove anything within the whole God vs Evolution argument...unless we have a time machine...hey..didnt we have a link about that as well?

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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
    737 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 1:32 pm
    Leave people to believe what they want to believe, i`d say.

    If you think you can change someone`s view on life, existance and reality through a hearty debate, then the whole idea of religion is questionable.

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    desie Female 18-29
    576 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 7:27 pm
    Jesus doesn`t have bones to be found on this earth.
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    vladthewolf Male 18-29
    19 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 8:22 pm
    We need to have an anti-religious jihad! =3
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    vladthewolf Male 18-29
    19 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 8:23 pm
    ^purge all the believers
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    vladthewolf Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2007 at 8:23 pm
    jk
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    vladthewolf Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2007 at 8:24 pm
    Oh and just to let you know not all southerns share the redneck beliefs of the Christian Fundies.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 10:24 pm
    All i want to see is someone like horn4231, who stands behind this whole cause and effect justification (behind the God created all argument) answer my question.

    whilst I was happy to let it go..it`s just to good an oppertunity to let pass.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    March 1, 2007 at 11:22 pm
    Imagine there`s no heaven
    It`s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today...

    Imagine there`s no countries
    It isn`t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace...

    You may say I`m a dreamer
    But I`m not the only one
    I hope someday you`ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world...

    You may say I`m a dreamer
    But I`m not the only one
    I hope someday you`ll join us
    And the world will live as one

  149. Profile photo of lieunym
    lieunym Female 18-29
    458 posts
    March 2, 2007 at 2:55 am
    What I don`t understand is why you guys can`t accept that maybe Nature IS perfect. Just because things are perfect in Nature (like your little site says the Earth size is "perfect"), doesn`t mean that some big man upstairs with a beard dressed in robes and an "intelligent brain" in his noggin had to design it. Think about the concept that maybe Nature itself can be perfect when things form.
    Or would you rather believe that God waved his hand and two perfectly formed humans jumped out. (I think there`s even evidence that humans are growing taller by each year.. we`re some amount inches more taller then people back in the 40`s or 50`s).
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    Lazorfish Male 13-17
    738 posts
    March 2, 2007 at 1:23 pm
    It`s all spaghetti monsters, invisible chairs and retarded monkey frog babies from here on out.
  151. Profile photo of sulu
    sulu Male 18-29
    994 posts
    March 2, 2007 at 8:00 pm
    oh man that earlier quote about how we`re "lucky" to live in a country where we can criticize Christianity is really.... How can I say this?

    Are you part of the Spanish Inquisition?

    Why do you think our forefathers separated Church and State?

    Washington`s administration even negotiated a treaty with the Muslim rulers of north Africa that stated explicitly that the United States was not founded on Christianity. The pact, known as the Treaty with Tripoli, was approved unanimously by the Senate in 1797, under the administration of John Adams. Article 11 of the treaty states, "he government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."

    Because this was unanimously approved by the Senate in 1797, this is the law of the land. The United States is not a Christian Nation, and it is not an Atheist Nation. There is no Official Religion. So Christianity has nothing to do with being able to criticize religion in America.

  152. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    March 2, 2007 at 10:28 pm
    Nice Sulu. You know your history!

    Shame there is a big Christian movement to have that changed! Think it cant happen?

    In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, `under God,` to the Pledge. The Pledge Is now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer. Francis Bellamy, whilst Christian, didnt want it to be about religion but Equality. Seems to me, religion dosnt like equality! OK, so it was the Catholics who got it changed..but there you go..religion changing things to suit it`s own needs!

    My point..well like Sulu says..America was not built on religion and it strongly needs to stay that way!

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    lieunym Female 18-29
    458 posts
    March 2, 2007 at 11:08 pm
    Yeah.. if only people could really separate Church and State. Especially with the type of President we have, claiming he`s been spoken to by God that "he`s on the right track."
    Goodluck for thinking America is separated :-/
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    lieunym Female 18-29
    458 posts
    March 2, 2007 at 11:16 pm
    "lol, yea, then a unicorn shot a fireball at him, but gandolf deflected it with his warp drive.

    Your right, Pretending magical stories are real IS fun!"
    That`s about right roflllllll

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    Mbirdgurl Female 13-17
    920 posts
    March 4, 2007 at 12:37 pm
    I look the facts about the bible and evolution. Not sure which one is right. It definetly doesn`t mean people should bash each other and all that hogwash. Just let people believe what they want to believe as long as there is no violence around. Just live your life as you see fit, sheesh. :\. I knew we`d have about 10 pages about people fighting each other about bible vs evolution...
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    Ron_Burgundy Male 18-29
    341 posts
    March 5, 2007 at 12:27 am
    I read about 3 pages of comments and just started to get pissed off; everybody thinks they`re right, as always. For all you "evolutionists", evolution makes sense many times but is complete rubbish in other instances, and many Christians , FYI, believe in forms of evolution and accept it, in some cases, to be true. And to all you "Christians", not all scientific people are out to get us, it`s just their life. Now carbon dating is great and all, but is found a lot of the time to be highly inaccurate, and "scientists" just use it until they get the results they want. But no matter how you look at it, there had to be a creator; okay, maybe the "big bang" did happen, alright, well where did those first particles of mass come from? The sky, o wait...the earth, o wait...o ya they just randomly appeared..it doesn`t work that way. There had to be a creator plain and simple, now people can argue for years and years about Jesus (and for people saying he is
  157. Profile photo of Ron_Burgundy
    Ron_Burgundy Male 18-29
    341 posts
    March 5, 2007 at 12:33 am
    But ^imaginary, you are freaking retarded) and whether or not he performed the miracles described in the Bible and that he rose on the third day. But the truth is that the only thing we have to go by is The Bible on those instances, and it really depends on who you are when it comes to believing in the Bible. I am a Christian, thats how I was raised, but I do have an open mind, and believe in natural selection, derived traits and such; but I do believe Jesus ascended into heaven and was the son of God. And for all you "logical" types who thinks that is completely absurd...is it any more absurd than than your theories of the origin of the universe? That a buttload of matter randomly appeared and was so condensed that it exploded, creating the universe, and then the gases formed into a solar system, then somehow microorganisms formed, which eventually ended up turning into humans...wha?! Both sides are equally absurd when you look at them from the right perspective, It all come
  158. Profile photo of Ron_Burgundy
    Ron_Burgundy Male 18-29
    341 posts
    March 5, 2007 at 12:33 am
    ^comes down to what your opinion is and what you choose to believe...so "Don`t worry, Be happy".
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    March 5, 2007 at 7:48 pm
    hahahahah!

    Fair rnough..choose what you want to belive but the problem is education here. Once your educated "properly" in both science and religion..then you`ll really know the truth. It`s up to you from here!

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    Ron_Burgundy Male 18-29
    341 posts
    March 5, 2007 at 10:33 pm
    lol^, "Once your educated "properly"". Just thought it was funny, I`ll leave it for the smart people to get it.

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