Handwriting is irrelevant

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Time to stop teaching kids how to write in cursive?
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Female 29
Interesting. Thanks for the feedback. :)
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Male 3
Mystery815: I am from Norway and never learned to print, I use cursive without problems (but it looks bad) but I read print faster.
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Female 690
Mystery815: When I was in grade six my teacher didn`t know how to print like at all. He made us teach him how, I dont think he learned printing during school.
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Female 690
Before computers seemed to become really popular when I was in early high school I think grade 8 everyone used to print their assignments but I used cursive all the time. I used to get higher marks and then I started looking at other ppl with high grades and they all wrote in cursive too! I think teacher are (or at least used to be) biased against printing. I haven`t written in cursive for years my computer is generally closer than real paper is.
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Male 98
I print all the time, and I type projects. Theres only one kid in my class that handwrites all the time, and thats because he doesn`t have a computer. And like others have said, they told me "Everything will be in handwriting in Highschool" but I havn`t used it probably since grade 5.
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Female 492
I can print and write in cursive, but my regular writing is a mix of both.

I don`t understand how people can forget how to write. :-|

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Female 694
I don`t even remember how to write in cursive anymore let alone read it!
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Female 29
I see that there are a few Europeans on the message board, so maybe you can answer my question. A couple of years ago, I was taking a class in fine motor development. While discussing how to help children write, my professor mentioned that some European countries teach their children cursive before print. Apparently, it`s supposed to be easier for the children because the movement of the pencil is more fluid and is therefore easier to control. From what I`ve gathered so far, it sounds like most of us learned print first. If there is anyone out there, European or not, who was taught cursive before print, I`d like to hear from you. I`m curious if you thought cursive what easier for you to write than print. Also, if you did learn cursive first, do you have the same problems with writing print now that many of us have with cursive today? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Male 74
lol
well with a name like Fatima Nuzhat im suprised they know english at all.
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Male 263
its like caligraphy, after its worn its usefulness out, it bacame an art.

typing is more effcient and practical, therefore cursive shoudl go way of caligraphy. Those who desire to learn the simple art can if they wish.

We no longer need to teach it, instead focus teaching on faster and accurate typing. unlike me who sucks at typing because i never had a class in school.

see? i am proof that typign is needed in school more.

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Female 206
oh, god. this reminds me of elementary school.

"learn cursive. you`ll need it in middle school"

we never did.

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Male 3,631
AT&T didn`t mention this in their ad...
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Female 136
Cursive is definately fading out.. I generally `join up` my writing but it`s hardly cursive.. it generally tends to be a mess of scribble in most cases. If I`m honest, typing is a lot better for me at least.. quicker and a lot easier to read. Also neater to correct, less paper used blah blah blah..

Although I don`t think pens should be withdrawn completely. I`m a maths student and I`ve not yet found a quick and easy way to `type` sums on the computer. Sure, there are some great packages out there, but none of them are exactly easy and quick to use without first having to learn all the keyboard shortcuts and codes and whatever. Nothing will beat a pen + paper for maths problems.

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Male 132
I, like a lot of people do my own style, kinda half and half. The l connects to the d.. but not the r or s ect.
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Female 878
So true.
Hey cool!
My rating tipped the average up .1. That`s never happened to me before.
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Female 137
I don`t think cursive writting is irrelevant, I just think is becoming less daily and more of an art; I still handwrite my school notes and almost everything that`s not really important, besides it is faster, and looks better.. well mine doesn`t :-P
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Male 241
Meh. I have to use a Laptop in school (age 11-16, for you people who aren`t in England), because my handwriting is so bad that I can`t even read it. Apparently it`s because my left foot bends outwards, and `cos it`s all connected via the spine, my handwriting is screwed up.
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Male 1,496
I know how to wright cursive i use it every day. I would type if i had the choice but i don`t always havea computor handy in the middle of a class.
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Female 663
Learning to write cursive was probably one of the better things I learned in elementary school, other than basic math. I learned it in 2nd grade, dropped it by 3rd grade. Then in 6th grade I started using it again. I was in an advanced history class & the teacher would dictate our notes out to us. The first two weeks of class he`d write it out, but after that he expected you to keep up with his pace of reading. The whole point of cursive handwriting was to develope decent penmanship provide a faster way of writing because you don`t have to pause & remove your hand from the paper, for notes & such. Those who wrote script often had better grades in class b/c they were able to write down all of the notes. Since I can`t type faster than I write cursive is a must for me even now in college. For those of you who say that they can`t remember cursive writing, you probably can`t remember roman numerals either. Knowlege is power. You shouldn`t depend on machines to do everything for
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Female 178
I remember I was so pissed when I got to middle school and found out that we didn`t need cursive at all. I remember learning cursive and the teachers saying we`d have to use it ALL the time. Ffs. It wasn`t true at all.
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Female 600
Oh and keep the kiddies learning cursive in school. If I had to then they should too!
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Female 600
I`ve always done half cursive/half print. Cursive is quicker since everything is connected.
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Male 1,204
sry midge but "never start a sentence with a conjunction..."

is inaccurate... in writers choice, it is perfectly fine to start a sentence with a conjunction. It isn`t 100% accurate all the time, but it can be done... although people who say first post are usually morons.

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Female 171
I don`t think writing an essay in cursive will guarantee a better score. I don`t see much correlation between knowing what you`re writing and how you choose to write it.
I don`t use cursive very much--just signatures, but even then it`s never legible. Most people that I see writing in cursive on a regular basis seem to always have illegible, scratchy handwriting. Or maybe no one I know knows how to write.
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Male 813
"...studies have shown that when a person is taught higher levels of handwriting, their writing (such as essay writing) skills improve and the understanding of the language increases. About 15% of SAT essays are written in cursive and they, on average, have a higher score.
So no, I don`t think cursive is outdated."
Of course you don`t take into consideration the people marking those are alot older and can read cursive better, hence giving the person a positive bias. But of course, you would have to be smart to realise that.
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Male 813
I don`t have the physically needed fine motor skills to handwrite. Never have, never will, and never will write again. You should have seen it, I couldn`t even read it, and it took me years to print properly again. Good riddance.
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Female 114
...studies have shown that when a person is taught higher levels of handwriting, their writing (such as essay writing) skills improve and the understanding of the language increases. About 15% of SAT essays are written in cursive and they, on average, have a higher score.
So no, I don`t think cursive is outdated.
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Female 854
NO MORE WRITING TYPEING IS THE NEW COOL!!
(JUST KIDDING I DON`T CARE)
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Male 1,386
i barely know how to write cursive. everything i do is either print or on the computer. even in my geometry class when i have to name a line, you`re supposed to use a cursive letter, and some times i dont know what the cursive letter looks like. :-P
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Male 738
"Hahahahaha Bekll! My only incentive to write in cursive is so the cops can rule me out as a serial killer? How many times does that situation come up for you?"

You`d be surprised...>>

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Female 123
"... why learn to WRITE (i.e., handwrite)... not be lazy and it helps the FBI and others determine who`s the culprit in crimes by looking at the writing. It also helps to know if a signature`s forged or not. It also helps determine one`s personalty at the deepest level, etc."

Hahahahaha Bekll! My only incentive to write in cursive is so the cops can rule me out as a serial killer? How many times does that situation come up for you?

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Female 1,596
I hate cursive, I only print.

I do Cursive with my signature.

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Male 11,740
Lazy bastards. Whether or not it`s used all the time is irrelevant, it should still be taught so people can use it if they want to.
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Male 1,142
all you people overreacting taking what they say the wrong way they aren`t talking about all writing just cursive. no one is going to try to say that all handwriting is irrelevant because of computers. they are talking about people clinging to a outdated form of writing beacause the world cant change anything quickly. same reason the US isnt useing the metric system yet.
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Female 601
I fail to see the problem...

As long as you can write on paper in general, why does it matter? As long as an "A" looks like an "A", what`s the problem? It`s readable. They`re writing the same word regardless of if it`s fancy or not.

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Male 3
This might sound wierd, but i can`t type print. I changed school and I missed the part where we learned to do print (we learn block letters first, then cursive and then maybe print).

Everyone at school type print but my family types cursive so I never learned it. I can read it without problems, but when I try to write I forget the letters.

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Male 254
I wish I knew how to write cursive better now that i have to sign poo loads of stuff for whatever reasons. It takes me forever to write my signature since I absolutely refused learning it when I had the chance, even then it comes out worse then it did in 3rd grade.
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Male 713
Stupider? Cursive is completely optional. The purpose of language is understanding, and if printing is easier to comprehend then cursive then I say wipe cursive out. I remember being pissed off in 3rd grade when they tried to force a differantly similiar alphabet down my throat-when everyone I see besides my grandma prints.
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Female 1,984
"What need is there to handwrite? `Everything we do is on the computer`..."

... why learn cursive? It helps write faster...
... why learn to WRITE (i.e., handwrite)... not be lazy and it helps the FBI and others determine who`s the culprit in crimes by looking at the writing. It also helps to know if a signature`s forged or not. It also helps determine one`s personalty at the deepest level, etc.

Sheesh... the world is getting stupider.

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Female 419
I write in cursive if I`m writing letters and things like that but otherwise I just write in normal print.
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Male 95
We had to right this one thing in cursive for the SAT`s and it took me a really long time, it was embarrassing. HAHAHA
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Male 8
I haven`t used cursive since like fourth grade, when they were telling us that we would be required to write in cursive for high school. I have yet to have a teacher that expects anything in cursive. It was a waste of time to learn it in my opinion. I don`t know if I can even write it legibly any more XD
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Female 19
I know...I rarely use cursive unless I`m doodling. I don`t type EVERYTHING either though...I just use print...?

But the kids in that article...did they even know that? Because the way they were talking made it sound like they didn`t even know how to do that.

And just because CURSIVE is irrelevant doesn`t mean handwriting is. There are other ways to write.

Geezh.

And Lol, to Snoopy`s comment.

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Female 5
In fourth grade when i learned cursive the teachers said that is the only form of writing we would be allowed to use in high school...LIES ALL LIES!
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Male 734
I hate cursive. In elementry school, the forced you to use cursive from second grade on. Because of a mental problem, I was never able to, and failed pretty much every single assignment because of it. I was put in special classes and called "mentally challenged" all through elementry school. Then we got to middle school, where it wasn`t required, and I was suddenly finding myself at the top of the class.

I`m now a 20-year-old working at NASA. Because of a forced method of writing, that sort of talent was held back for several years. Don`t tell me that cursive is the proper way to do it, because that`s bull $hit; it only prevents some with real abilities to be held back.

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Female 2,552
Wow, what college are they going to?
But yah, they`re starting to teach cursive in elementary schools again, although I don`t know what the point is. President Bush just wants to be smarter then Asia. Stupid, isn`t he?
But seriously, the letter T? It`s a loop with a line!
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Male 731
my handwriting is a mix of cursive and print
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Male 561
Cursive is a waste of time

*nuff said*

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Female 1,382
The only times I use cursive is when I`m too lazy to lift my hand up from the paper with letters that flow together easily XD It`s no proper cursive either, it goes light and dark and light and dark `tween letters
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Female 430
I feel so much better I thought I was the only one who always printed...
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Male 699
I think it`d be stupid to remove handwriting all together (Why would we? We don`t ALWAYS have a computer at hand, and it`s a nuissance to always print.), but I`ve never personally seen a use for cursive. I always use print, hell I`ve forgoten some letters in cursive, not because I have no life other than the computer like pea ooter suggests, but because I find print easier. I remember being taught in 3rd grade and they would say from then on all of our assignments wouldn`t be accepted unless in cursive. They taught us AGAIN in 4th and I haven`t used it since 5th.
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Female 1,252
`Her friend agrees. What need is there to handwrite? "Everything we do is on the computer," says Fatima Nuzhat, 19.`

I swear I read her name as Fatman Nutzhat :-|
xD

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Male 1,406
I learned it in third grade, remembered it in 4, never used it again past grade 5. I remember about a third of all letters in cursive. I do remember how to right an "I", though :P
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Male 986
whoaaaa.... i think that ppl who dont remember how to write have to get a life.... cmon, do something, leave the comp.......

and wtf in the image, the person write has a ring in the THUMB.... what idiot put a ring on a thumb???

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Male 1,866
yeh i started it again, after like 4 years, and i can`t remember some of the letters. it`s so bloody useless... it for me, has no practical application. its hard to read too...
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Female 299
I remember in 5th grade they graded us on our cursive because "in middle school and certainly in high school you`ll write EVERYTHING in cursive."

I haven`t used cursive since 5th grade.

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Male 246
"A lot of my friends gave up writing joined up, but I still do it. It can get a little hard to read, but I find it to be a lot faster."

same here.

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Male 372
I haven`t used cursive for years.

Basically, everything I ever have to write is either printed or typed. Noone around here, since grade 4, has cared at all about my script.

The last time I used cursive, besides signing my name, was when I had to do writing verification for the SAT.

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Male 888
This happened to me just the other day, thankfully, the internet saved my ass. I forgot how to do S`s.

I`ve always been on the same page, I`ve hated cursive. In school, they take their time to teach you the alphabet, then they drop that and give you a brand new cuuursive just to be fancy. Whats more, is everyone develops their own style of cursive and then no one else can understand what they`re writing. I have a hell of a time trying to read my father`s cursive.

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Male 19
How ignorant is this? So lets get rid of teaching math because we have calculators, no more cash---> debit and credit cards, pencils, pens, ..............hell lets get rid of school all together, WE HAVE THE INTERNET. Get rid of writing and speling b/c we have spelchk and stuf. I tink we shool all gust get ignant and WELCOME THE DEGREDATION OF AMERICA
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Male 1,343
i gave up cursive as soon as they stopped teaching it.

printing ftw.

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Male 1,225
"omg u guys
leave the first post girl alone
jesus"

When she said the b-word, she opened herself up to most types of criticism.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Overmann (again).

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Male 2,600
How can anyone just go off and say handwriting is `irrelevant`? Irrelevant to who, anthropologists? It may not be convenient or practical in today`s world of computers, but damn, handwriting is a trait that sets humans apart from other animals. Damn.

On a side note, it never ceases to amaze me that some believe turning in handwritten, college-level assignments is acceptable.

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Male 2,510
theres the americans again making everything easier once again
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Female 4,028
My writing is also a cross between the two. My H`s, T`s, F`s, W`s, and some others look cursive-ish.
My cursive is pretty good, I just don`t use it, because none of my teachers care.
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Male 83
Handwriting is still done over here!! Only taught in Primary school (up to age 7). You are then encouraged to develop your own handwriting style...

Teachers moan when your writing is illegible - when their handwriting is worse!!!

My writing is best in blue ink...hate black...dunno why...

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Female 152
Cynnick, I hold my pen the same way. People always try to correct me. It`s obnoxious.

Anyway, I don`t remember the last time I wrote in cursive. Maybe in 3rd grade, when I learned it. It was always really messy anyway.

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Female 8
I remember my 3rd grade teacher saying that we need cursive in middle school, and that we couldn`t ever use print. Now I only use cursive for my signature.
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Male 577
I can write in cursive very well, but I know that`s not normal. I write a lot and I prefer to handwrite the first draft. Cursive takes less time than print does if you`re good at it.
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Male 1,371
let me just ask, when would you ever NEED cursive? The article seems a little extreme on removing all writing, but what about printing? Did the people in that article forget how to write entirely? o_O

But yeah, cursive is entirely useless. Print FTW.

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Male 197
what? i write all the time. you cant type everything you ever write can you?
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Male 506
omg tihs is antichrist childrenn shud b werking computerz r 666 demonz anything knew is BAD
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Male 62
I`ve known handwriting is irrelevant for 8 years. However, some of those students sound like they don`t know how to READ.
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Male 89
DIE whs_senior, DIEEEEEEEEEE you fcuking bitch,
and you might even be a nice person in real life, but omg, do you have anything better to do than
`FIRST POST - ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, or bloody neener neener neener?..for christs sake...and I know it is probably a joke, but (reference to sentence 1)

about the post, always knew it...

BTW, I think i am speaking for everyone about what i said.

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Female 455
My handwriting is crap- but i still can only type with one hand (My left hand only presses the shift key) Technology hasn`t done it... My handwriting`s always been terrible...
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Male 904
"I had trouble with the T. I don`t remember what they`re supposed to look like,"

Okay, fair enough, my handwriting is $hit, to be fair. But who doesn`t know how to write a friggin` `T`?

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Male 215
A lot of my friends gave up writing joined up, but I still do it. It can get a little hard to read, but I find it to be a lot faster.
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Male 2,586
This is true- I`m at uni and it`s all typed... However, you don`t always have a computer at hand- i.e. when you`re taking notes- it should still be taught.
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Female 3,001
omg u guys
leave the first post girl alone
jesus

and cynnick i hold my pen wierld too =/

lol but then im retarded and dyslexic
y the hell did they make that word so hard to spell??

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Male 2,372
[quote]On 12/9/2006 2:09:46 AM whs_senior wrote: FIRST POST AGAIN!! This is so true, I hardly can remember back to when I had to handwrite everything. My teachers preferred it typed and all of my college instructors, the same[/quote]
...I guess they let any old idiot into college these days. B-|
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Female 408
I hold my pen oddly (on the fourth finger instead of the third) but my cursive is great. I`ve been doing calligraphy since I was younger, so I suppose that makes a difference, but here we have to hand in about 40% of our English and 100% MFL coursework handwritten. And if you don`t write in cursive you get lower grades.
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Female 145
I will say it for you, B-Hazard.

pwnt.

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Male 2,958
-never start a sentence with a conjunction... and there should be a comma between "right" and "bitch". so stop criticizing because you`re making yourself look stupid.-

If there was ever a time for me to say `pwnt` and mean it, this would be it. But I`m not going to ruin my record by starting now.

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Male 45
Thanks for that Midge210, someone needed to teach that first-post whore a lesson.
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Female 236
"and the word is "easier"
get it right bitch"

never start a sentence with a conjunction... and there should be a comma between "right" and "bitch". so stop criticizing because you`re making yourself look stupid.

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Male 1,142
last time i used cursive other then sighting my name on things was proly the year after whatever school year they teach it to you win they try to make it seem like you will realy ever you it agen..
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Female 201
Cursive should be phased out; it restricts kids and their legibility. But that doesn`t mean the death of handwriting.

Kids no longer learn how to do extremely long multiplication or division in their heads, but that doesn`t mean math is gone. Girls don`t learn how to churn butter, but we still have butter. Boys don`t learn how to drive a team of horses, but we can still get around.

Technology has made cursive writing obsolete and a nuisance.

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Male 148
Midge210

Mine is too, I print some of the harder words or ones that look hard to read, and do cursive on some of the easyer ones.

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Female 236
my handwriting is a cross between cursive and print, so i`m always half right.
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Male 1,629
HA! this is what ive been saying forever, only cuz my handwriting sux lol
3rd
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Male 994
It`s pretty true I don`t longhand anymore

2nd

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Male 10,115
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