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sorry, but how was this not an extreme situation BECAUSE they swarmed and brought attention and BECAUSE they tazed him TOO MANY TIMES?
As for the grabbing more police to deal with the situation, I agree, however, there wouldn`t have been a whole squad of officers there at first, and the individual was resisting, no matter how you choose to say it."
Yes, maybe not at first would there be a bunch of officers, but they could have waited, he showed to sign of being a threat to the other students, or the cops at first. According to what I`ve researched on the subject, reportedly he was trying to leave when the cops grabbed his arm and tried `escorting` him to the door, and all of this happened when he wanted to be left alone and be able to leave on his own, which is where the video starts off with him yelling to leave him alone.
As for the grabbing more police to deal with the situation, I agree, however, there wouldn`t have been a whole squad of officers there at first, and the individual was resisting, no matter how you choose to say it.
SHUT THE F*CK UP, A*SWHOLE! Dude, just because he`s from a certain place does NOT mean that he deserves ANY G*D D*MNED THING LIKE THAT! IT`S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MAKE PEOPLE HATE AMERICANS. YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS BASTARD
with a name like that he deserved it ^.^
Wow. Where do I even start? I think you`re barking up the wrong tree. He was clearly attempting to respect their authority, by repeatedly saying, "I am not fighting you" and "I said I woudl leave" but was physically incapable of doing so. So they tasered him again.
It`s like me beating you every time you flap your arms and but can`t fly, then acting self rightous about it, as if you should be able to fly. Or your dangerous because you can`t. Or not respecting my authority.
Both in that hypothetical situation, and in this real example, it is a massive abuse of power and an epitome of excessive force.
I`m a bit nonplussed as to how objecting when people are overly brutal and abuse their power will bring down the country. Unless you think the country should be an authoritative dictatorship with martial law, and that the police should be above the law. It`s pretty obvious that they broke the law, and they need to be held accountable.
My point is, everyone is saying he wasn`t posing a threat, but how was campus police supposed to know? Yes he was yelling that he was leaving but why didn`t he just do it in the first place? If he had a knife on him, what would have stopped him from using it? If he had a problem with them asking him to leave for not having his I.D. he could have taken it to the administration at the college and taken on the problem civilly, but he responded violently so they had to act accordingly.
Get a grip man. You are coming up with theory and finding data to support it. When those that look at the stupid video objectively, simply see an angry kid not doing the most SIMPLE of things. (Respecting authority.) Chances are you just love to argue for arguments` sake. Also, I am willing to bet that you have emotional and authoritive problems yourself. You have no defense man! The worst part of it is that you seem to think you are being heroic by defending who you see as a victim. What you fail to see as the truth is the fact that this dumb kid victimized himself. Hell, he Martyred himself!!! Your arguments are moot at best. In fact, you are pretty good at arguing in such a manner that there really is no right answer no matter what anyone says. There is, however, a fundamental right and wrong. You got it backwards.
Maybe I should restate that.
No, I actually haven`t ever watched a movie of someone being tasered on the internet, or anywhere else.
[quote]On 11/19/2006 2:57:23 PM VONLINE wrote: "I also usually don`t see quite so many people pretending that police brutalit is acceptable and something to be lauded." Of course you don`t. That would make the people you side with look foolish.[/quote]
I`m not quite sure I follow. Are you trying to say that if people think that brutality is OK, that makes the people who disagree look foolish?
Thats brightened my day somewhat.
"I also usually don`t see quite so many people pretending that police brutalit is acceptable and something to be lauded."
Of course you don`t. That would make the people you side with look foolish.
I also usually don`t see quite so many people pretending that police brutalit is acceptable and something to be lauded.
has the story...interesting
(sorryu for the gaps on the link, the link button wasn`t working!)
who do i hate more? american, muslims, or jews?
Cop: "He`s yelling that he`s trying to leave."2nd cop: "Verbal abuse only eh? No gun? No hitting?"Together: "Let`s taze `im."
GENIUS... -_-For all of you saying he got what he deserved... you`re all sociopaths!
Yeah, he was pissed. He was in pain. What do you expect? But out of control and violent? I don`t think so. He was saying "I`m not fighting you" and wasn`t even standing up. When was the last time you were worried someone lieing on the floor was going to hurt you?
Sounds like you`re the one looking for excuses for police brutality.
I hate the human race a lot more now. You people are driving me to killing somebody, I`m sick of drating dumbass non-nice individual humans.
God this makes me want to throw up and cry. I hate people.
I don`t care what this guy did or didn`t do that was wrong before the cops showed up. It`s actually irrelevant. Tasing him 5 times within 6 minutes while he was already handcuffed and posed absolutely no physical threat to anyone is uncalled for, is excessive force, and constitutes police brutality. Even if he was a suspected murder or raving drug addict, once he has been cuffed and is no longer a threat, there is no call for torturing him. He clearly isn`t the shinniest penny on the block, but the police are far worse by comparison.
No, the bottom line is, the bleeding hearts see a poor widdle baby being HORIBBLEY SLAUGHTERED AND ALMOST MURDERED AT THE HANDS OF THE THOUSE HORRIBLE TERRIBLE NAZI SUPERVILLAN SKUM, THE COPS!
While the people with working brains see a jackass that refused to cooperate long before the video started, all through out the video, and most likly long after the video ended.
Look people, we know that driving honda civics with extra loud mufflers and hating cops is super rad and cool, but just like the banners in grade school said, cool isent always right.
If you think the cops responded appropriately, then I`m sure you won`t mind if it ever happens to you, huh? Down with fascism!!!
On the other side, being someone and being politely asked to leave because I don`t have a card, I would probably try to convince and if no go, then leave, especially if threathened to call guards. Depening on how this was handled by the clerk would make my balance shift toward one side or the other.
Civil rights lawsuits are likely to be filed. More of the same repeated stuff in the article.
that guy was just an attention whore.
oh yea. who reads this far into the blogs. Page 8 WOW.
Off Topic: SHOOP DA WHOOP!
I hate cops, but hey, maybe they were actually trying to do their job by protecting the other students and staff from a potential threat? This guy seems non-compliant to everything, and enjoys making a big scene.
Bottom line: Was it necessary? Maybe, maybe not. Did he deserve it? Maybe, maybe not. Hell didn`t you ever wanted to smack down some idiot who was asking for it? Hate me for being entertained by the tasing.
Last note: ACLU report 148 dead from taser since 1999. C`mon people, it`s the American Civil Liberties Union. Like any political organization, they can distort statistics to their benefit. The 148 people could be kids, old people, or sick.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Just make sure you know the facts before you make your stand.
But there had to be more to the story than "Oh I forgot my ID". He had to have done more, or the police wouldn`t have been so serious.
and you should always carry some form of id.
"You need an ID to get into a few buildings on campus, particularly the residence halls and the gym."
OK, if this is all true than wouldn`t it make sense to carry your ID at all times, just in case, than having to walk all the way back for it. At least when you go to places you think or know you will be carded at.
god bless the united states of as$holes
I don`t f*cking get it. If I were there, honestly, I would`ve spoken out against the cops. They tased him so many times-- just because he wasn`t getting out of a goddamn library fast enough-- and then they expect him to get up.
What`s next, another Kent State situation?
according to the article he "refused to show his id" and then "encouraged other students to join his resistance." If this is true then I understand the cops using the tazer, by eliminating the cause of the problem and making an example the rest of the mob would dissipate. Common crowd control tatic when cops are outnumbered
The story:http:// www.msnbc. msn.com /id/15765622/ from/RS.5/
Without spaces, it wouldn`t let me post it without them...
GET UP x 20TazersGet Up x 20Tazers
Been tazed once as part of a dare and dropped to the floor and couldn`t walk without pain in my legs for about 2-3 minutes. and he keeps getting taxed within 6:30
Could have gone better on both sides though.
Kid didn`t need to yell and cops over did it by a lot....=\
"Part of what bothers me about this video is the attitude of the students. They all come off as being very arrogant and having no respect for authority ..."I think people get more agressive in mobs compared to if they were a little group or one person.
If that man decides to file it will be squashed in court, probably before it acutally gets to a peer trial. Public opinion has little to do with the outcome of cases. Go to a law library look up cases, and see how many cases the public would/did agree with.
you opinion may stand, but it stands in undeniable stupidity without the whole story.
Police officers in this country don`t have power and authority just for the hell of it. And it makes no sense for us to OBEY all their demands. They are here to protect us, not for us to worship their authority no matter how unreasonable their actions become.
Wey_Pooh: The student was not violent and to my understanding did not present himself as a physical threat.
Startsometin: I doubt your analogy about a trespasser in my house applies to this situation.
Just because you happen to be a student at a major University doesn`t mean that you are right about everything. I would like to see some of the students acknowledge that they aren`t the supreme all-knowing beings that they wish they were. Generally speaking, just because you are in the process of getting an education doesn`t mean that you know everything.
Or maybe they are not violent, they are just ticked off at the people that just tasered him five times. I would be.
First, it has been made clear the kid was NOT BREAKING THE LAW. This means they can`t do anything to you, legally, EVER. They do not have the power to decide that a certain person might be dangerous and do something without a real reason.
Second, he wasn`t even resisting them. He was going to leave, which he didn`t have to do anyway, and they tazered him. For NO reason. And they were asking him to stand up after being shocked with tens of thousands of volts SEVERAL TIMES.
The third thing that was irritating is how little all of the fellow students did about this. They just stood around watching instead of confronting the cops. They had proof of misconduct and much higher numbers. The cops would not have been able to do anything then.
The police threatened to taser a girl when she asked for his name and badge number. It was bad enough they were tasering the kid, but they could at least be men and own up to what they did. I hope they got arrested or at least fired.
as far as `non-lethal` things go, rubber bullets, water hoses, etc have all been used against people that are just screaming at the cops and resisting so like i said I`d have to be there to tell you the truth, just going by what i saw.
If anyone hears about a lawsuit by this kid post it, i`d like to see what happens if he tries. That and the facts should be presented a little more clear than a video phone
Anyway...that video was disturbing. I was shocked when I read the story behind it. It seems completely ridiculous that the officers kept using the Taser on him when they wanted him to leave. Isn`t that counterproductive, since Tasers are supposed to immobilize? Especially when the boy was saying that he would leave willingly? It does not make sense, and I think the use of the Tasers made the whole thing much worse.
Furthermore, this was a student of the school. He was not a felon, he was not a "terrorist," nor was he a street thug looking to start trouble. He wanted to study at the library, and he apparently forgot his ID at the time.
It did seem strange that he would yell out "here`s your patriot act, here`s your abuse of authority," but police brutality and the patriot act IS a big topic on the minds of my fellow students. Many are put off by the ability of government officials to abuse this act, and we all h
whether or not it`s police brutality is based on all the events that occured, from what I saw on the crappy video phone it didn`t appear that way.
so I`m guessing you`re about 15 or so stay in school, then i`ll listen.
As far as tazering goes, it`s only meant to immobilize you while it`s going on and not allow you to use your greater muscle fuctions like fighting. So He would still be able to get up after being tazed.
As he was leaving, the police officers grabbed his arm and tried to physically escort him out. The student was upset and told the police to let go of him. It was during this time that he was resisting that the police tasered him. Remember, though that he WAS ALREADY LEAVING THE LIBRARY.
I find it hard to believe that people think it`s easy to get up after being tasered. The purpose of a taser is to IMMOBILIZE someone. Furthermore, it seems counter-intuitive that you would immobilize someone when you want them to move, or to leave an area.
They were tasering him even though he yelled out "I will leave."
Another thing to note was that the police tasered him at least once after he was handcuffed.
They did pick him up and attempt to drag him out catchall. Tasing is a legal non-lethal force that can be used when a subject is resisting. I`m ashamed you don`t know your history enough to know that other non-lethal forces have always been used, and to be honest tasing is about the most non-lethal around.
They repeatedly warned him he was about to be tazed.
I`m ashamed you`re the kind of person who believes he had every right to try to pull the officers down without them reacting.If the kid hadn`t screamed, (someone said struck), kicked, attempted to knock the officers over and had just sat in one place or gone limp when they attempted to carry him out then he wouldn`t have been tazed, it was active resistance that caused the tazing not passive.
and i`m also ashamed you speak about things you really aren`t sure about
I`m ashamed that you have a law degree and can`t distinguish between non-lenthal force and excessive force.
Acceptable force would have been to pick him up and drag him out. Repeatedly tasing someone who is in handcuffs is excessive force.
Skine wtf is your problem, that`s like saying you shouldn`t condone an officer shooting a guy because he`s getting ready to shoot you (skine). Doesn`t look so bad from that angle does it.
If you`re ashamed to be an american, by all means, move. If you don`t like something you either change it or get away from it.
as far as your disposable camera story, you`re telling me a AA battery stunned you for minutes, do you weigh about 6 lbs?
I don`t expect to hear from you again until your IQ goes up.
And I hate the people who condone this completely, just because he was wrong. That`s besides the point. Sometimes I`m ashamed to be an American.
Also, someone said that the police weren`t meant to be judges. This is very true. It`s the judge`s job to dole out punishments, which in modern-day America are not to include physical pain and suffering. Hell, the death penalty doesn`t involve anything more than a prick of a needle.
I think it was unnessicary to tase him like four times.
Whether conscious or not, the fact the boy was an east asian in the US counted against him.
How do they expect him to stand up after zapping him with a tazer?
You are right, its not in a high school text book, its in the state statutes which can be found many places including the internet on government run sites, or the library where this incident happened! Use of force is authorized against Passive Resistance, if it wasn`t the cops would have to carry him out by hand. Police officers don`t do that anymore because we shouldn`t have to work just cause a suspect is being childish.
(Farquad: I didn`t say all Americans were on the wrong side here, I said some are, which is true, sadly.)
Umm you`re here too dumb f*ck - nothing better than people who come online to tell people they are losers for coming online
That was just really upsetting.
You`re quite right. But it doesn`t give them the right to torture you on the way out the door.
I don`t buy your so-called fact about passive resistance requiring the use fo violence.
Tasers cause extreme pain and can kill. I`d call that violent.
I agree partially. Passive resistance DOES warrant the use of pain, thats not my opinion thats fact. Violence is almost never warranted, but a taser is not violent, its an ALTERNATIVE to violence. Had they taken out their blunt weapons and beat him, that would have been violent. What they did was only slightly excessive and is only worthy of a slap on the wrist.
To meet passive resistance with violent and painful force, repeatedly, is using excessive force. Especially if the person passively resisting is already handcuffed and poses no physical threat to anyone whatsoever.
Excessive force = police brutality.
End of story.
I have been shot with a taser, most police officers have too, because its part of our training. Every taser/stun gun is differant but its not that hard to get up after about 4 or 5 seconds, and they gave him way more then that in the video.
Those of you saying the cops went above and beyond with the force, are being stupid. Yes the multiple shocks were excessive, but not brutally so. It would never have got that far in the first place if the kid wasn`t an non-nice individual.
BTW why was he tased if he refused to leave a library that was still open?
Being an ass does not warrant being electroshocked.
If he had been a violent ass and it was necessary, sure. But it`s pretty clear from the footage that he wasn`t violent, he was already restrained, and if anything the tazing was preventing him from complying and making it take longer for the officers to remove him.
Unwarranted use of force is the definition of police brutality.
Never mind that the guy they are tazing is also a civilian. Who was posing no physical threat to anyone at any time.
Iran tolerates violence towards women, including rape and murder, for not being "modest enough" or "too independent".
The United States of America tazes some kid for not leaving a library when he is asked to. Despite the fact that it probably took the officers several minutes to get there, the kid couldn`t have just sat there and screamed at the library personnel and stayed in the library. He was trying to leave the whole time, inbetween screaming obsenities at the officers and not obeying them (or "passive resistance").
Could the cops have been brutal towards the student? Or was it the student that was just being an ass by not going back to get his student ID?
So which is better? Iran? North Korea? USA?
In the words of Maddox, "Civil disobedience is still disobedience."
I`m all for cops putting people in their place when they`ve done something they deserve, but not leaving a library does not mean you deserve to be electrocuted several times. This is just outrageous!
Five times while in handcuffs? And while possibly physically incapable of doing what the officers request, but verbally acknowledging that he was trying to comply? Oh yeah, very justified. B-|
I`d also like to point out that over hundred people have been killed by tazers. They`re not just a gentle prod.
I`d like to see how you feel after being tazed. My guess is you might curse as well. And I`m at a bit of a loss as to how he was fighting them while handcuffed. Or do you think handcuffs are just as ineffectual as you seem to think tazers are?
What I saw were three cops who had subdued and handcuffed a person repeatedly administer electric shocks. Sounds more like a POW camp than a library to me.
And, while I can understand a cop saying, "sure, I`ll give you my badge number in a minute here but just now I`m busy" the response of "back off or you`ll get tazed too" is completely inappropriate and illegal.
This proves it. In Iran and NK, they KILL you for this kind of misbehavior. Don`t try to compare the two. You should know what you are talking about before you compare things.
"I didn`t see him fight with the police: in fact he clearl said, multiple times "I`m NOT fighting you"."
Oh, I`m sorry, even though I saw him fight the officers while they were helping him up with my own eyes watching the video, him saying he wasn`t fighting them means he wasn`t.
"And when someone is passively resisting the police by not standing up, pretending that the appropriate response is violence is ludicrus."
If you call yelling obsenities in a public area and trying to wiggle out of the police`s grasp when they try to help you up, I`d hate to see what you call "activism".
Tazers only kill under certain unfortunate circumstances. The actual shock is less dangerous to most people than the possibility of falling on something and getting a concussion. Also, the whole "incapacitated" problem is that there was a huge window of time where the cops weren`t there and he was not leaving when he was asked to (which is the FULL RIGHT of the staff to ask him to leave, like it or not).
He wasn`t tazed because he was there, he was tazed because he was swearing at the officers and *gasp* NOT LEAVING. The first time they were helping him up he started screaming and fighting them, THEN they tazed him.
It takes a lot of 5 second bursts (which they were using) to "incapacitate" someone.
As for the badge numbers, yeah, let`s ask an officer their badge number when THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING THEIR JOB. EXCUSE ME OFFICER, stop doing your job and tell me your badge number. NO? POLICE BRUTALITY!
I didn`t see him fight with the police: in fact he clearl said, multiple times "I`m NOT fighting you". Tazers may only zap for a couple seconds but that are fairly frequently deadly. And when someone is passively resisting the police by not standing up, pretending that the appropriate response is violence is ludicrus.
And don`t try the "he was leaving" crap. They were helping him up and he started fighting them, so they tazed him again. Tazers only zap for around 5 seconds, and after that the only thing you will more than likely experience is muscle pains. You won`t be crippled for 3 minutes and be forced into a fit of swearing and asking for police officer information instead of actually complying with police.
Whenever someone pulls out the "police brutality" card, I am immediately suspect of it. This only captures a bit of the story, and from what I see, when you swear at officers and don`t comply, you get tazed. Chalk another one up to common sense.
Do you also know that they threatened the other students who asked for their badge numbers? That in and of itself is illegal.
Those dumbass cops risked their careers for someone who had forgotten a student ID card. Sadistic f*cks.
1) If you don`t have an ID when they ask for it, they will not allow you to enter because it is school property and they can do whatever they damn well please. They probably called the police after he refused to leave (since he would have been able to leave before the cops arrived anyways, and the cops were trying to get him out).
2) He got TAZED because he wouldn`t OBEY THE POLICE. When they tell you to stand up, STAND UP. When they tell you to leave, LEAVE. Don`t cry, whine, and moan about it, DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD.
3) This is what I have come to expect from liberal teenage college kids. "How DARE the police tell me what to do! Abuse of power! Patriot act!" What a load of crap. OBEY THE RULES YOUR COLLEGE SETS, OBEY THE POLICE, and STOP BEING A RETARD ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.
Which would you rather do, go get your ID or get tazed for being stupid?
Tazing someone 5 times to get them out of the library while he`s saying, "I`m leaving"?
There`s a reason they`re not real cops, and I hope those jokers never become them.
Have you ever been tased? That crap doesn`t feel good. I got tased, and afterwords I could barly walk. This guy got tased at least five times! I wouldn`t be surprised if he couldn`t stand up at all! I hate cops.
I would like to have more faith that the majority of our criminal justice professionals know what they are doing.
I would also like to see you go for a ride along as they pull over cars for speeding. You`ll have one hell of a time.
"lola, you`re a moron, seriously and your avatar is kind of annoying. All you do is write random stuff here, no one cares.I will bet you a dollar few people listned to the part where it was mentioned "I have a medical condition".
Also like it was mentioned most libraries like this are open to the public."
It also upsets me that dumaspere automatically assumes that all Americans think that this is justifiable. It`s not, and about half of us (maybe more, maybe less) will agree.
and as for j2moneyj2d2, why do you insist on giving cops a bad rep. Not all of them are like the rent-a-cops in this video. My uncle is a police detective and he denounces the use of physical force unless it is under extreme circumstances. He also doesn`t randomly pull people
But, on a more general scale, this guy just got tazered 4 times for being at a library. How ridiculous is that?
He was in a library, he wasn`t using anything that needed his card...I don`t even see why the cops were called.
You think they would stop after awhile, you can hella tell they were getting their jollies off torturing him.
I think that`s too much.
The campus-police tazered him multiple times, when merely letting him leave as he was doing would get him away from there.
Who here has tried to leave somewhere after being told to? If someone started pushing you, would you tell them not to? If the then shot you in hte arse with a tazer, would you scream? Or would you do what they say and stand up straight away and keep moving with the barbs deep in your flesh sending out 50,000 volts of pain?
For the most part I don`t agree with tazers and stun guns. Sometimes they are necessary, but I think tazering someone once is ENOUGH. And making demands to someone who has just been tazered is lunacy.
He could have also teleported off campus but he didn`t.
There`s no IF`s here acronym boy, all I see is brutal cops.
The point is there is only one result here, we see it in the video and please stay on topic if you`re going to say anything lola.
Also like it was mentioned most libraries like this are open to the public." - Legion5
And? Dosent change the fact that the second he decided to quit being a fag and start listening to the cops the taserings would have stoped. Even if he decided this before the first tasering.
This is a judgment call discussion and it was in poor judgment. 100+ students would agree.
What part of that video did you see the cops expect him to get up RIGHT after being taserd? I heard about 100 "GET UPs!" between each of the idiot`s screams.
Do what the cops tell you, and they wont taser you. The fact that I, someone who dident even finish high school knows that, while he was in friggin collage means that he compleatly brought it on himself.
I will bet you a dollar few people listned to the part where it was mentioned "I have a medical condition".
Also like it was mentioned most libraries like this are open to the public.
Can anyone here tell me why so many people thing that cops are drating judges? To many of us watched the movie judge dread too many times or something? It dosent matter how drating innocent someone is, its not the cops job to place blame. Its the cops job to; A) Get you away from other civilians. Then B) Get you in front of a judge.
This stupid little whiny ass pansy (and his supposed collage educated friends) keeps screaming "I\He dident do anything!" WHY THE drat ARE THEY TELLING THE COPS THIS???!? Tell the drating judge you were innocent, its not the cops job to determine that.
He had been tazered, You cant stand up.
Whilst carrying him away they tazered him in th arse.
This is really messed up, and I`m shocked that the rent-a-cops involved aren`t being arrested by real police.
I realize that this video did not capture the events that led up to his tasing, but all of the subsequent footage shows the officers giving ample warning before they acted. How many times does a cop have to tell you "get up or you will be tased again" before you get it?
Thank goodness for mob mentality. Damn kids.