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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA - you`re kidding, right? The whole "Left wing media" thinkg is nonsense. Mostly eveyone is about ratings, reporting what news there is. Truly biased reporting and pandering mostly happens on the Fox network. Fox is so shamefully right wing, it is nothing more than a mouthpice for this administration.Try changing the channel some time and see what lies you are being fed, by the `left wing media`.
As for you, sunwavewind - i agree, just because you can`t vote, doesn`t mean you can`t form an opinion; but that also means you should know that you had no part in choosing the government that represents you, and that it is your duty to get informed before you do vote.
the south winning, would be liberals bringing back slavery & inequality, which they fought to keep
conservative/liberal states were almost opposite back then to what the landscape is now
ICRice92, you remind me of Jim Marshall (NFL), who`s team do you think your on
brainwashed by tv i see
The south is winning
By saying we love evil people and will do nice things to them matter not is a gross statment on how democrats work.
So apparently we love all terrorists right? We what`s republican`s solution? Sending in 100,000 more troops to die and kill more civilians in the fight against terror currently in opposed to terror Iraq?
One real Pathetic Ad
sadly, that is problably the most truthful thing on this board.. fact is, children and foreigners ahet bush..
republicans drating suck balls
Hardly - the NIE report was pretty clear that, if anything, we are fertilizig the weeds in Iraq. We were doing well in Afghanistan. the Taliban were outsted and beaten back, and they were and still are a major crutch for Al-Qaeda, but then we had to go in to Iraq - lets all remember, no WMD`s, no direct support for terrorists - sure Saddam was an evil guy, but he`s not the only one in the world. And its certainly true that Al-Qaeda types were in Iraq, but they are also in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iran, certainly, Saudi Arabia and Jordon, and I dont see us blasting our way into those countries. Even if, and at this point, its a BIG if, we can root out terrorism in Iraq, its just going to pop up in all those other places. Dont think this will go away.
No offense but I see a lot of 14 to 18 year olds on here offering some pretty uninformed opinions ( likely formed by their God fearing, sheep parents). Do your country a favor, get your head out of the sand and ASK QUESTIONS! You`re doing nothing but hurting your own future by propagating ignorance and lies. Just ask the president who recently took a big dump on the constitution by legalizing torture and imprisonment without charge or legal representation. "God Bless America"??? You`ve got nothing to be proud of.
Regarding this statement, I believe the government and all branches thereof have an obligation to the People to inform them of any impediments to their rights as are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and therefore the Constitution. Regarding sensitive information, there is a difference between publically outlining national security measures versus individual rights and not allowing the legality of said measures to be debated in a court of law. It`s like Benjamin Franklin said:
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
Personally, I would be more approving of the wire taps if I knew they were secured with a judge`s own approval. As it is, sue me for being concerned about my rights as a citizen of this country.
No one said it had to be perfect, but there had to have been a planned exit. At this point, it doesn`t seem as though there was one. Now. I`m willing to believe there was information only shared between the branches, at least initially. However, I would think that with all the media attention and public awareness regarding an exit plan, Bush would have said something (had he had something) about the damned exit plan. So far, all we have is a distant timetable for how much longer the troops will need to be shot at and blown up.
"Violence solves disputes with radical Islamists who only know violence."
...I see this is not the case. Now, how you can criticize the Democrats for not having their own strategy for fighting radical Islam and going along with Bush`s plan while admitting you have no strategy for yourself is beyond me. Democrats may have agreed to the plan, but I see only them dissenting after seeing how half-ass it truly is.
"Half? Less than that. Bush won the popular vote in 2004."
Winning the popular vote is not an accurate reflection on how many Republicans and how many Democrats voted in an election. There is a percentage of "swing voters" that makes this impossible.
Genocide is obviously morally wrong. I`m not proposing a Hitler for the Muslims. I`m saying that this form of radical Islam will continue to breed more terrorists, just as the roots of a weed will spawn more weeds.
It isn`t easy, and even stopping the virulent spread of radical Islam won`t stop terrorism. However, something must be done to combat the ideology. It is hard for a non-Muslim nation or person to influence the world of Islam, and terrorists kill Muslims who stand against them, so I`m well aware of how difficult it would be.
What America is doing is chopping the weed down. It impedes the progress of terrorists, which is better than letting it spread, but something more needs to be done. (Something more than nothing, Democrats.)
appreciate the response though
"Especially in light of the current president`s policy of going into Iraq with no formulated exit strategy"Versus Democrats` "cut and run" strategy of leaving Iraq in shambles without a care? They`ll blame it on Republicans, of course, and you`ll eat it up.
"(a president you didn`t vote for, if your age is correct)"Just because you aren`t old enough to vote or chose not to vote for a candidate does not mean you can`t debate politics. Nice try, discrediting someone debating you is a classic Democrat move.
"it would seems that no matter what `most democrats` would do, this administration has clearly said "Hey that`s bad, lets stop it"Hey, terrorism, terrorists, and the dictators who fund terrorists are bad, let`s stop them. Oops! You`re right! How could I say such a thing?
Almost as much as Date Movie.
Correct me if I am wrong (which I`m not), but isn`t the UN and Europe the people who keep making threats to Iran to stop their nuclear programs and when the deadline arrives, they DO NOTHING except make a new deadline? America happens to be one of the only few big players in the North Korea issue as well, along with Japan, South Korea, and a few select European nations.
Oh yeah, so the UN and most of Europe don`t do jack in most cases. So when you say that the UN was against the war in Iraq, it goes with the fact that they are also against the existence of Israel and its right to defend itself from Hizbullah, Hamas, and other terrorist organizations, as well as they are against stopping Iran from getting nukes, as well as being against coming to any solution with the threat in the Korean peninsula.
How UN-intelligent of you.
I thought it was quite funny.
for those whom live in america do not agree, you can leave, nothing is keeping you here, i`m sure radical islamist or some oppressive country will take you in, provide you an orange jumper of sorts & show you there version democracy"
Remember that you do not have to blindly follow to support your country.
What? We didn`t vote for him? Anyone that believes the idea that the votes were wrong needs to grow up and realize that Gore and Kerrey fairly lost, the votes were just close. Votes that are that close will always cause an uproar"
Dude - YOU, not us, YOU didnt vote for. Read my post. Dont even get me started on the shameful tactics that won the White House the 2000 and 2004 elections. You didn`t vote in either. Am i correct?
Wow - that`s some kool-aid you`re drinking there. If you would care to do some research, the President refused to listen to his advisors who pointed out that there was no exit strategy. Furthermore, the first president Bush (you might not remember him - you were under 10 at the time) didn`t go into Iraq (whe he easily could have) because he DID listen to his advisors who said that it would be too hard to get out of. Finally, the Republica led congres basically rubber stamped this war, and dragged most Democrats along with them under the fa
Just take into consideration that governments can`t tell their citizens everything, especially during time of war. It`s just common sense.
"a president you didn`t vote for, if your age is correct"
What? We didn`t vote for him? Anyone that believes the idea that the votes were wrong needs to grow up and realize that Gore and Kerrey fairly lost, the votes were just close. Votes that are that close will always cause an uproar.
i respect my country, the people in it & the president, to my death i will always support it, good or bad
for those whom live in america do not agree, you can leave, nothing is keeping you here, i`m sure radical islamist or some oppressive country will take you in, provide you an orange jumper of sorts & show you there version democracy
the video was funny as hell
Congress and the President would not have decided on war without an exit plan, and they didn`t. First, war changes all the time, so it is impossible to have a perfect exit plan from the start. Second, most governments don`t go around posting that kind of thing up for the world to see. I`m just speculating - but what if it was a complicated exit plan that couldn`t be revealed because it would ruin the plan/or endanger national security.
Republicans have some good people on their side, and democrats have some good people on theirs as well.
(And that goes for the different degrees of republicans and democrats.)
"...by not only limiting freedom, but they also control their territory with military and remove or kill any who do not follow their limiting laws."
That part was unnecessary in terms of what my point was. I didn`t say the power base was necessarily good or evil; I`m not making moral judgments. I`m only saying from a purely political perspective, those regimes provide\had provided stability.
"BUT how would you have a world superpower without at least some of those things?"
America became a superpower by 1. having most competitors fall out of the race due to WWII, and 2. outspending the Soviet Union. How it remained a superpower is another story.
Call me base, but I consider an empire to be the current most militarily dominant force on the planet. To date, that`s America.
well since you are generalising about, oh, lets say half the population of the US, wuld you then say that Republicans do exactly the opposite? Especially in light of the current president`s policy of going into Iraq with no formulated exit strategy (a president you didn`t vote for, if your age is correct), it would seems that no matter what `most democrats` would do, this administration has clearly said "Hey that`s bad, lets stop it" without considering the consequences, good or bad, immediate or indirect.
Most democrats always seem to think: "Hey that`s bad let`s stop it" without considering consequences, good or bad, immediate or indirect.
You have a point, BUT how would you have a world superpower without at least some of those things? Any large power that is or has ever been can have a case made for its being an empire.
"Some people would argue that while Kim Jong Il or Saddam Hussein weren`t the best of leaders, they did provide political stability"
They provide/d political stability by not only limiting freedom, but they also control their territory with military and remove or kill any who do not follow their limiting laws.
Democrats have no action plan. They are apologists and cowards who think that just because war is bad, we should never go to war. Violence solves disputes with radical Islamists who only know violence. Any peace is a false peace. Radical Islam will always seek the destruction of Israel, America, and the West altogether. They know not tolerance, only hate.
Democrats want to cut and run, which will only make things worse. Republicans think everything will turn out to be all right when most likely Iraq will become another Iran. The answer doesn`t just lie in killing terrorists, it lies in killing the violent, ignorant, hateful ideology behind radical Islam. Killing terrorists is like killing weeds: If you don`t kill the roots, they`ll come back.
Some people would argue that while Kim Jong Il or Saddam Hussein weren`t the best of leaders, they did provide political stability to their regions, which is a good quality. Unstability would result in civil war, possible anarchy and faction wars. I don`t feel their governments were altogether positive, but one cannot deny that the power base provided stability and that the forced removal of this resulted in civilian deaths, destruction of civil property, etc. The US should have anticipated this but didn`t.
"Another thing, you can’t use the UN as a reason we should not have gone to war."
Why on earth not? Surely you recognize that the UN is an international diplomatic forum and that America has no special irresponsibilities to the rules of diplomacy simply because it happens to pay larger dues.
A case could be made for America being an empire, nonetheless. Certainly, it has many characteristics pertaining to it, such as global military lockdown (most military bases in the world), a single authority over many territories, and expansion of spheres of influence by military conquest.
"It showed that democrats don`t really understand what`s going on..."
This is stereotyping. Surely you can agree Democrats are diverse
Another thing, you can’t use the UN as a reason we should not have gone to war. If the other countries in the UN contributed to the UN as much as the US did, it would be different. Almost all of UN funding comes from the US.
Oh yeah and talking about which country is evil- if you honestly think that North Korea is not evil, either you are sick or need to wake up. It shouldn`t need explaining but I`ll give it to you if you want.
Also, what is with people saying things like `America needs to drop its imperialistic dreams`? Empire? You are a true idiot if you think America wants to be/is an empire.
Does George Bush have Gas Chambers, Torture Chambers and engage in genocide against the Kurds? How in the WORLD can you compare him to Saddam Hussein? George is the one who gives all the money to the jews, not the one who openly declares his wish to make war on them! They are not equals! I thought you people were so into Human rights, you could PERHAPS tell the difference. And I don`t think they`re all innocent anyway. I believe many Arab civilians are the 4th-pillar, as it were, of Islam. Have you ever read the Koran? It`s insane. More insane than the bible, and that`s coming from a Satanist.
So, they`re not evil. We`re equal, and deserving of equal satisfaction. So, I guess part of what makes king Jong Il satisfied is keeping the majority of his population dehydrated and starving, so he can take the U.S. granted foreign aid and use it to grow opium in his fields, torture political dissidents in his camps and keep 14-year old concubines in his palace while the rest of the population starves... stop treating these two nations as equals. That king doesn`t deserve anything but a red-hot poker up the ass. And as for the wacky arabs? They wish for the whole world to worship as they do, for when anyone does anything to "insult islam," they become violent and demand observation of THEIR dogmas through aggressive acts; it`s worship de-facto when you concede to these demands.
It`s all too relative and subjective. One man`s terrorist is another man`s freedom fighter - example: the founding fathers.
So sure, you can fictionalize democrates efforts at peace by claiming that they have ignored korea (and then "conveniently" associate that with terrorists) or you can actually look at the facts when making your decision.
I guess it depends on how smart of a nation we are.
But I think this was very naïve(us=good, they=evil etc), and this kind of thinking probably won`t get us into anything that serves for equality and satisfactory on both ends.
And now we`re all one step closer to waking up one morning to discover that Chicago, or London, or New York has disappeared over night.
They all suck.