Cops Shoot Dead Suicidal Teenager

Submitted by: dreddloxx 10 years ago
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1158548128320770.xml&coll=7

When his mother called the cops for help, I don"t think this is what she mean"t.
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Male 246
That reminded me ages ago the penalty of attpemted suicide was murder. idiots.
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Male 187
YevraHNairB: "I`ve got an idea, stop being a wuss because your gf broke up with you. Millions of people go through a hell of a lot more than most of you young punks and just grit and bare it. But nooooo you have to dramatize it hold a knife to your throat. Well if your that weak then do the whole human race a favor and slice nice and deep because we dont want you here anyway.
Until you have truly hit rock bottom and truely experience some big life altering event for the worse just go write in your blog and cry in your pillow. Better yet be a man, suck it up and go for a run, lift some weights or do some heavy bag work-outs. You always feel better after a good sweat."

stfu uve obviously never been a teenager or been drunk before.

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Male 213
Heh.

The day ins`t over till some pigz are dead.

Yay for bacon.

Eat pigz now kitties, ya hear?

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Male 263
cops are retarded they do not deserve guns. i liek games liek saints row and gta where i can continuously kill cops.
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Female 50
i agree with monkey and overmann and to YevraHn=NairB SHUT UP that is so sad that the cops would do that
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Female 95
I agree with MelEE34, if you can`t knock him out or something, aim for the weapon or the hand that their holding it in then you won`t kill anyone.

The stupid cops were sent to STOP the dude from killing himself and all they did was do it for him!

(sorry bout the double post)

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Female 75
If it were me I would have shot him in the arm that was holding the knife, then he would have dropped it. And Stentorian, that sounds really bad. Darned cops.
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Female 339
If a heavily drunk person that was so mentally disturbed they wanted to stab themself, refused to put the knife down despite several warnings, then angerily turns towards a house full of people whilst still holding a knife..... you think the police were WRONG to shoot? I dont think so. Maybe they could have tried to grab him and hold him down instead of shooting him.. but this guy was threatening to kill himself if they came near him plus potentially harm the officers if the came near, what else could they have done? I think they did what they could given the circumstances.

Remember this all could have been avoided if that maniac just put down the knife, so he did bring it on himself

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Female 21
well said jetson, I agree.

If you don`t want to get shot by the police, don`t ignore their commands to drop a weapon, simple.

It`s all too easy to be a monday-morning quarterback when you have time to stop and think and aren`t out there with them.

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Male 67
What the crap? You people are nuts. In hindsight, yes, the cops screwed up. We all know what hindsignt is.

At the time, if you were a cop, what would you do if you saw a man with a knife who was reportedly drunk and unstable turn around and enter a house where people were? Just let him go in?

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Male 2,781
FRONTIER JUSTICE
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Female 207
Speaking of police - anyone hear about the two cops having a go at a fifteen year old girl? Yes, our friends and helpers.
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Female 471
Wow, that`s crazy. From what I`ve seen, when shot with a tranquilizer dart, the animal instantly was pretty dopey and went to sleep. I guess if they have alcohol and drugs in their system that it would be dangerous to shoot them with more drugs. I just picture so many alternatives. Usually, these situations involve alcohol and drugs. It`s so sad what it can do to people. I really hate cops though.
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Male 425
That sucks. It reminds me of another story I read in which cops shot a guy reported to be walking around with a sword. The police arrived and found the guy walking down the street with a cavalry sabre and told him to put the sword down.They followed him for a while and told him a few more times to put the sword down but he didn`t respond. They followed him to the front door of a house (which later turned out to be his) and the guy apparently didn`t have his key on him or something because he went around the side of the house while the officers continued to follow him. I don`t totally remember but I think the guy reached for the knob on the side door or something when the cops shot him like seven times in the back. Once he was on the ground they found that the reason why he didn`t respond to them was because he had headphones on and a hood on over the headphones. Now the guy is a paraplegic as a result of the spinal injury from being shot in the back. Later the guy tried to sue and lost
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Male 2,290
He`s just a kid, an 18 year old kid, with his ENTIRE LIFE AHEAD OF HIM! He was drunk and depressed and felt hopeless and really just needed love, the poor bastard died all over this...

I hate cops.

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Female 21
Tranquilizer darts are not viable for use on people.

First of all, they can interact with drugs already in someone and kill them, as mentioned. And the two main drugs used for veternary tranq. darts are Ketamine and PCP, which can make people violent and unaware of pain. Plus they can take a half hour or more to work, there is no instant-out drug that`s safe and effective.

A taser is probably the next best thing, but even that could kill someone and people drunk or high enough have been able to fight through the pain. One very intoxicated suspect a few years back around here took 3 taser darts and 14 shots before he went down...

As to firing `warning shots` or shooting not to kill, most police are trained the exact opposite, once you fire, you shoot to kill, simply because you shouldn`t fire until it`s a life threatening situation. Plus, with the adrenaline flowing and shooting at night and all the other factors, they`re lucky to hit anything at all.

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Female 130
are beanbags rubber bullets? like what they use on bears? if it is i dont see why he didnt drop the the knife, cuz those suckers must hurt.

i dont understand why a cop cant shoot someone in the ass if there walking away. the 2 shot method ( first the torso, if he isnt down then aim for the head) always seemed stupid to me. their trained to handle a gun, why can non-fatal shots be part of that training? and tranqulizers are a great idea.

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Female 172
I thought for a moment that they shot a DEAD suicidal teen.

They SHOT him dead AND he was suicidal. Oooh.

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Male 134
I seriously doubt he would have actually killed himself too. It was a cry for help. His mother is an idiot for calling the police also. He needed some love, not bullets to the chest. But what would you expect from the police? They wait their whole life to get to shoot someone and get away with it.
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Male 134
In a perfect world, someone would go shoot them cops down. But we dont live in a perfect world. We live in a world where cops oppress us with their self righteous zeal. Death to them police. They deserve it.
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Female 215
That so sad .. he was my age. It really makes me depresses when I hear about young people dying.

But the cops in this situation were morons. The kid was ibviously mentally unstable but even so he was out to hurt himself not anyone else so killing him ws completely unnessecary.

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Male 1,496
"Don`t kill your self! We don`t want to have to kill you!"
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Male 587
wow.....
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Male 1,265
YevraHNairB don`t be such a selfish piece of poo. Yeah, millions of people got through it, so drating what, we`re not talking about millions of people, we`re talking about him, and he couldn`t cope for whatever reasons.

They might be small problems to you, but to him they were pretty big so stop assuming everyone is as coolly detached as you and grow the drat up.

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Male 22
I live in Portland, Oregon, and this is pretty much the only story we`ve been hearing over here.
It`s so f*cked up. It pisses me off so much, because this is far from the first time here that the police have shot and killed someone in a situation in which it wasn`t needed. They need to be trained better to shoot in places that WON`T KILL SOMEONE RIGHT AWAY! I just hate it so much.
They keep playing the 911 call on the news here... it`s hard to listen to. Thankfully, they`ve been leaving out the part of the call in which the boy actually gets shot, but they keeping playing everything the mother was saying up until that point and everything after it. She just begs and pleads for them to not kill her son, and then the next thing you hear her say is "They shot him. He`s dead" and then she hangs up.
Why does this f*cking happen?!
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Male 98
pretty sad story. Did anyone else put a fake ZIP code?
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Male 713
WOAH, I live about 5 minutes away from that place D:
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Male 128
I Live in Tigard and right nwo the police are still on leave and there deciding what to do though they probably won`t concict the police or anything there saying the policemen might quit
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Female 920
tsk tsk tsk...this is messed up...
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Male 619
this is a case of confusion

Bean bag fires, other cops got scared/ didn`t know about the firing and shot in self defence

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Male 161
... wow, that`s unbeleivably sad...
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Female 583
such a shame.a valuable life was lost because of some stupid policemen.
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Male 66
the beanbags most likely didnt work because the guy was drunk so he couldn`t feel much of anything

and a tranquilizer would work but if the person that is being shot with it already has a lot of drugs or alcohol in their system theres a chance that it reacts badly and the person ods

a tazer would have been the best option here..would have seized up his muscles so he couldnt run into the house, or stab himself with the knife

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Female 207
That said, typical police.
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Female 207
YevraHNarB- pardon me, but you are one dumb f*ck. He was mentally ill, drunk also, so pull your head out of your ass and do a bit of research.
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Female 471
As Serphian said, a taser or other non-lethal would have been more appropriate, but I think that perhaps a tranquilizer dart would have been the most intelligent thing to do. They usually work in seconds, I believe, so why wouldn`t the police choose that method? It`s a crazy world.
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Male 227
It`s like I always say,
"Everybody is braindead"
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Female 268
he wasn`t brandishing a weapon at them he was brandishing it at himself.
and he wouldn`t have gone to jail or an institution for life. he would gone to detox ,been on suicude watch and then treated. it`s happened to my mom. he wasn`t crazy, just depressed and drunk.
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Female 21
I always have trouble blaming police for these sorts of things. They have a valid point, he had a weapon and was running into a house that contained innocent people.

Yes, a taser or other non-lethal might have been more appropriate, but in the heat of `battle` so to speak there isn`t always time to stop and think things over.

Point is, if you don`t want to get shot by police, don`t brandish a weapon at them, and if you do, don`t ignore their commands.

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Female 238
Nice job, idiots.
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Female 231
wow... that would suck..
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Male 50
That`s outrageous. Cops have horrible power, and they love using it.
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Female 44
if he would of got shot by a tranquilizer he propably be in jail waiting for a court date where they ship him off to a institution for the rest of your life once u get labled crazy.. its all over
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Female 435
Jeez that`s messed up :/
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Female 172
i`m surprised the cops even came out. the ones in my town will only come when u call if they`re bored.
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Male 2,958
The bean bags should have cause him to drop the knife, or at least incapacitated him long enough for someone to get control of the situation. I`m not sure why they didn`t, only time I`ve heard of someone shrugging those off is when they`re on meth or something.
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Male 65
What I think happened is when the officers with the non-lethal bullets (beanbags) fired at the kid, the other cops thought they were shooting real bullets and henceforth, the rest of the cops got trigger happy.
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Male 8
The bean bags were meant to incapasitate without killing. Then when he turned to go inside with innocent nonarmed people training took over. Could it have went better? Yes.
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Male 4,431
Good points, monkey3462. I don`t understand how they went from talking to shooting him with beanbags (for what?!) to shooting him real bullets. And people saying well done, hey, that`s great and all, but this kid was just going through a rough patch, not hurting anyone. Cops ought`a do better. :-(
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Female 408
Well done, cops.
Doing their job well.
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Male 2,958
If you shoot someone "several" times in the torso, you`re not trying to avoid killing them, cheeseman.
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Male 784
wouldn`t it be more fun if it was :
"Cop shoots dead, suicidal teenager."
If he was already dead it would be better for all parts, well except for the dead guys family. That`s true.....
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Male 431
Well handled...
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Male 161
I say they should have shot him, his mother, and grandmother, and the rest of the family. what a waste of time to negotiate with the losers, next time they won`t call.
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Male 1,406
They tried to calm him down I believe, but he then moved to the house. I still think they should have continued to talk to him, but my guess is they did all they could until they were afraid he would hurt other people. And I think they did try to not kill him, but failed.

*Prepares to get flamed*

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Male 14
This is a perfect example of why i don`t trust the cops.
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Female 268
when anyone finds out how this ends can you please post it?
i hope they at least lose their jobs!
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Female 95
This is why Police need tranquilliser darts or something like that instead of bullets. Knock the guy out for a couple of hours, where you take him to the station, calm him down once he wakes up then decide what your going to do. It`s like the innocent guy who was shot dead in London underground coz they thought he was a terrorest bomber. If they had just knocked him out then investigated then he`d still be alive. Stupid police.>-(

Sorry had to get that off my chest.

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Male 579
I`ve got an idea, stop being a wuss because your gf broke up with you. Millions of people go through a hell of a lot more than most of you young punks and just grit and bare it. But nooooo you have to dramatize it hold a knife to your throat. Well if your that weak then do the whole human race a favor and slice nice and deep because we dont want you here anyway.

Until you have truly hit rock bottom and truely experience some big life altering event for the worse just go write in your blog and cry in your pillow. Better yet be a man, suck it up and go for a run, lift some weights or do some heavy bag work-outs. You always feel better after a good sweat.

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Male 162
these cops where kinda retarded i guess
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Male 1,217
Earth to cops, Earth to cops!
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Male 1,365
Man is it itough to be a kid these days, I am not patronizing todays youth, but I am glad I grew up in the 70`s, the cops back then would have billy clubbed the knife out of his hand and threw him in the drunk tank for the night.
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Male 577
Police are complete tards usually. I know several.

I don`t care what they say, there is absolutely no reason that makes any sense for them killing that kid.

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Male 2,600
The police in this instance took the false approach of thinking formulaically. Not every drunk, suicidal teenager wishes to threaten his family or put them in any danger, and had the police considered that the guy may still be alive today.
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Female 114
Oh, God that`s really horrible... what kind of non-nice individual shoots a guy when his mom is RIGHT THERE screaming "don`t shot, don`t shoot"?
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Male 731
damn cops got trigger happy and killed the kid, dumbasses
well im off for today guys, gonna do my daily cops killing spree *loads gun*
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Male 1,237
.......well handled
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Male 38
What`s the problem then?
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Female 15
That`s horrible, I doubt the mother wanted that. I would sue, they could defenatly get put away with some kind of murder. By the way cops bribe and beet the system there asses would be out of jail in a day.
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Male 316
And like sgdp said, you are supposed to talk them through recovery. Perhaps it was because he was drunk that they opened fire, but that was really stupid if that was the case. They still should of been talking to him. If I was suicidal and was holding a knife to my throat, I have two things to think about. There are a bunch of cops with big a*s guns aimed at me, yelling, acting like they are going to kill me. The second is I have a knife, and can kill myself. I think the cops and boy should have made an agreement like "Son, put the knife down and we will drop our weapons. We just want to talk" The mother would have been much happier
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Male 316
Ya ever read about "professionals" and think "Damn son, I can be a better X then you are!" That`s the impression I get when reading this. Those officers who fired shots were F*cked in the head. Common sense says suicidal person needs encouragement to be strong, motivate him to LIVE. Damn cops
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Female 199
Why didn`t they shoot him in the leg sixfingers? It`s really hard to shoot skinny, constantly moving targets for one. Cops are trained to aim for the chest because it`s an easy target and a bullet in your lung is usually fatal. You want the criminal to be dead, wounded people can still shoot a gun and stab. Not that they should have shot the guy, but the officer percieved a threat and acted like he was trained.

But really, screaming at the suicidal guy? That`s what someone with a brain would call a bad idea. I mean, there are always stories in the news about a random cop talking someone down from a bridge or building, right? They must recieve at least some basic training in dealing with suicidal people, right? So why did these cops not know how to deal with him? You`re supposed to be nice to the suicidal person idiot, not make him feel worse or scared.

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Female 553
Most of the time, they use psychological tactics. They have a hostage negotiator where I live. He`s an awesome guy who`s trained me just a tiny bit in that field. It`s sickening they didn`t have someone like him there. All police forces need one.
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Female 854
Fecking idiots-.-
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Female 13
sigh...
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Male 125
If they thought he was running to harm his family... why didnt they shoot him in the legs once or twice???? 5 shots?????They just get so damn trigger happy.
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Male 401
I dont get it so did the cops say "If you kill yourself i will kill you!" they tried to stop him from commiting suicide by shooting him? riiiiiiight...
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Male 1,265
Cops are never wrong.

Actually, most cops I`ve met are self-righteous non-nice individuals, and this was meeting them casually.

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Male 2,958
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Male 60
Yet another circumstance where the professionals screw up.
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Male 128
i go to the high school it`s pretty sad around here most of us blame the cops
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Male 287
Link: Cops Shoot Dead Suicidal Teenager [Rate Link] - When his mother called the cops for help, I don`t think this is what she mean`t.
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