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Oh, a man can dream. Oh a man caaannn dream.
http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpur...Concerning Popular Mechanics and their disinformation.
People are either trying to prove the government told the truth, is telling the truth, or the government lied. Thats our question.
What will proving one or the other do? I believe the wisest thing said here so far has been "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance", and "Those who give up liberty in exchange for a little securty, deserve neither and will lose both". Comment on their lives all you want, but these were still very thought provoking statements. Think on them for a few minutes before you comment to shoot down those "crack pot conspiracy theorists". Some of them just want to keep the American lifestyle they hold so dear, even if the rest of the world hates them for aspects of that lifestyle. Please pick your words carefully and discuss, n
Age has nothing to do with knowledge on a situation. Stop being ignorant.
I guess you should practice what you preach?
That whole first paragraph I was thinking:"What the hell is this guy`s problem?"but then I saw the last to words there and realized:"Oh, he doesn`t get laid."
Also, Toshikazu. Do you think that footage that starts with the cop car going through a check point is from a gas station or convience store? Loose Change has some loose ends, bud. That`s been mentioned before.
Oh, and it was Mark Twain that said something along thr lines of"better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."it only took a two second google search for me to figure that out.
and why does the PENTAGON use grainy frame cameras? Thats dumb.
After reading someone elses comment further up, I realised that, it`s a good point.I take back most of what I said now!KillSarah
That was a commercial airliner that struck the pentagon. If you don`t believe this, feel free to live in your delusional world, it doesn`t bother the rest of us.
The more you question, the less likely they`ll try to pull their bullpoo.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Patriot Act, control of nuclear programs of other countries, convince the people that they need more government, etc etc etc
Said from a man who believed in the ideals of America, back when being patriotic meant something: Thomas Jefferson.
You know what my conspiracy theory is? That certain psychotic individuals (mostly liberal, but a fair amount of conservative ones exist) try to grip and control people by scaring them with far-out, crazy conspiracy theories. Could it be a missile? Uh, no? The media discovered that 4 airplanes had been hijacked. Two hit each one of the WTC towers, one flew into the ground, and what, one just magically disappeared while someone fires a missile into the Pentagon? Please. It must be Obvious Day at Camp Stupid: its a load of crap conspiracy theory.
Yeah, I know all that. I was only stating that lexmex seemed to think that the pentagon crash was the only `unreal` crash, and that the twin towers were real..Killsarah.
wasn`t the initial hole created on impact only 16 feet in diameter or something? not much room for the body of the plane, let alone the wings to fold to the side and go in with it.
In short, this is not exclusively an "American" problem. Please don`t grow up continuing to be so damned self-serving.
They kind of have, most of the things the government has said has fell through on them, the general public has disproved the majority of what the government told them. Plus when people speak up, bad things happen to them.
Ok, so they had that planned... and? Was there a coverup of that implosion? If there was, why? It`s not like he was going to get insurance from that tower... explain the motive... please... anyone... behind the government`s intentions for all of 9/11 or the guy who owned WTC and the demolition of Tower 7 and what that has to do with anything..."
The motive: Larry Silverstein was awarded over 7 billion dollars in insurance payments.
yea, i agree with you. not to say that i believe any conspiracies or i believe that the government version is 100% true, but as soon as people who love conspiracy see this video...they`ll just say "what a coincidence, there was a BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT the second you should be able to see the plane".
Ok, so they had that planned... and? Was there a coverup of that implosion? If there was, why? It`s not like he was going to get insurance from that tower... explain the motive... please... anyone... behind the government`s intentions for all of 9/11 or the guy who owned WTC and the demolition of Tower 7 and what that has to do with anything...
I don`t associate myself with all the crackpots who point at millions of discrepancies, nor do I associate with all the crackpots who don`t question anything, be it the media or their own religions. I side with me: At the very least, Larry Silverstein knew of the attacks in advance. I`m not going to say flight 93 was meant for Building 7 and it didn`t make it, so they made an excuse to set of the already set explosives, because I DONT KNOW THAT`S TRUE. But I do know it fell in a controlled explosion. You can`t just "pull it", it takes weeks of planning, not hours of setting up explosives. You don`t need to be an expert to know this. Look it up, or ask a demolition co
We`re always the good guys right?
Terrorism has been used in the past to fulfill a political agenda, Caesar used terrorism for his own selfish purposes, why not destroy the towers?
When orchestrating any kind of mass deception, especially such a significant one, a few slip-ups are bound to manifest themselves under intense scrutiny.
Nameless, pale guy in black suit: "Look here, CNN reporters, this piece of debris came from an American Airlines plane. You can see from the red white and blue lines. Don`t you have enough common sense to realize this came from an American Airlines commercial plane?"
*tosses gas on the fire then runs*-
only thing wrong with that piece is the fact that the ENTIRE plane (aside from a few other scraps) was supposedly incinerated, but that piece of metal isn`t charred in any way. It`s just a little tore up.
I don`t have an opinion, mainly because my uncle died in Tower 1 and I`m not ready for it yet. I don`t need to relive that day. I don`t want to think about it. If the government is doing a coverup, I want to know why? I don`t see how they profit from it. All I can see is people falling to their deaths to commit suicide rather than die of smoke inhallation.
I`ll watch some of these clips when I`m ready...
some one said their was no wreckage after the hit it took me about 15 min to find this pic
*tosses gas on the fire then runs*
That doesn`t prove it to me. Show me the whole plane before it hit and i will believe you.
Terribly shocking... but fact based... do it for the future of america... and im not joking
oh and i dont understand the whole conspiracy thing. many people died and i dont think they would need to lie if it was a missle or a planeand i dont think that the government would be like...yeah we think that the pentagon is gunna get hit along with the white house and the twin towers...we saw the twin towers get hit by the planes y wouldnt the pentagon getting hit at the same time be real???
Watch this... it will clear up everything... just believe me
Believe me for once guys and watch this link... ur government fooled u... and used u... watch this video... please, for those who died september 11th...
the pentagon was made to withstand a nuclear bomb (not at point blank, but pretty damn close), its amazing the plane got through the second ring at all at only 350 miles per hour. It was a plane, people died, shutup you freakin dumbasses.
mrgein...maybe you should follow your own advice
with the quality of video and the distance YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE WINGS OR THE TAIL!!! GOODNESS!!!
If you flew ANY plane at that distance, at that speed, with this camera, all you would get is a long blurr formed by the largest part of the plane, the body, the motion blurr practically eleminates the tail fins or anything other than a very crappy cylinder shape.
I`m not supporting or disapproving that it`s a conspiracy...doesn`t anyone get that. I`m just explaining why peoples excuses for "where`s the wings/tail", "that looks too small", don`t hold any ground. I personally wouldn`t b
They rely on a person`s opinion, without facts, to judge another set of facts.
Insults try to sway a person`s sense of "logic" and "intellect" without any real facts to sway one way or the other.
The Fireman`s proof is that he can`t believe that the government would do this.
P & T`s argument for a lot of it is that it is indecent to the families of victims, but this really has nothing to do with what happened, only how it affected the people that it happened to.
Ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem.
No facts no facts no facts.
I heard these guys did a pooty show called Bullpoo, and now I have first-hand experience.
"We had this great plan, but we overlooked the paintjob in our doctored photos... D`oh!"
TELL ME you see a silver plane, not a white plane.
Whether you believe the government did it, NATO did it, Islamic Extremists did it, or it was an act of god, you can`t honestly tell me the WHITE plane that they show if the OFFICIAL video looks like an American Airlines 757 (Again, pictured here: http://www.williamdemarest.com/images/Am...
White does not equal silver/red
Something isn`t being told to the public.
He lost all credibility when he started calling everyone an non-nice individual and saying "push someone down a flight of stairs if they`re carrying this book."
Does that look like the thing that hit the pentagon to you?
Well, not to ignore you expertise on what the Pentagon should or shouldn`t have, but the one frame per second IS better than convenience store security cameras.It`s just not good enough to capture a 400 mile-per-hour jet. And why should it be?
Now this is obviously fake, but if the government REALLY wanted us to believe what happened, could they have not released something similar to this. I`m just putting it out there.
I`d expect the Pentagon to have better-than-normal security cameras.
But whats with the frame rates in all of the cameras being in sync?
Now, which do you think would have less damage to it in an impact of the two?It`s really not surpising at all that there weren`t large, recognizable pieces of plane left after the impact.
If u watch the videos of the twin towers you can see bombs going off at intervals down the building! Also only 3 skyscraper buildings have EVER been knocked down by `fire damadge`..The 2 towers and a nearby building the same day. So why was that? it must have had some help..
Im with the theorys
Yeah - it`s "convenient" that a security camera isn`t set up for a frame-rate that would sufficiently capture clear images of a commercial jet going approximately 400 miles per hour.WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THERE BE A SECURITY CAMERA WITH THAT FRAME-RATE???Jesus, you people.
You have to realize the perspective here peeps.
BUT from where this camera is located to the point of impact is 200-225 yards away people!!
Now lets stop and think...OK
A cruise missle would look like a needle from that far away...if you could even see it for that matter. Not to mention it would be traveling so fast the camera wouldn`t even pick it up.
Now I`m sure I could see the object entering the screen in this shot and if you put something that size over 200 yards away it`s gonna be pretty darn big when you walked up to it.
Just my 2 cents. People seem to think this shot is from like 50 yards away or something????!!!!
Secondly, it amuses me that people will believe something that 10% plausible and call people who believe something that`s 90% plausible "cows" and "machines"
public support of: Afghanistan, Iraq, Patriot Act, Iran, etc.
Utter BS - Where`s the frickin plane? Wreckage?? Bueller???
What I`ve gathered so far is cops don`t like cameras and I should probably stop mooning the fuji film blimp that flies over my house every so often.
I`m still watching the first google video link now, and it`s really damn cool!
no problem. I understand it`s not the best footage, and like I said, that`s just what I see. It`s up for different translation.
I`ll save my definite judgement for when the government releases the rest of the tapes. But for as long as they`ve had magic, the cure for aids, and the roswell aliens kept away from us too, I think that may take a while.
I`m amazed at how you know this stuff.
but what I can see I described in the posts just above. and that the area around the crash (where the wings should have hit) is relatively untouched and there`s no wreckage left like there should be from the wings breaking off (like they should have if they left no damage)
also i think a better question is `why would the american gov. allow something to crash into the pentagon in the first place?` they could have easily intercepted whatever it was without hassle, if they wanted to. unless it was a missile of some sort then maybe not... however im not saying it was a missile.
and to answer your question. i or others here do not claim to be experts. i guess you can call it common sense, or perhaps having an IQ higher than a piece of beef jerky.
And can anyone tell me WHY the government would fake the crashing of a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon?
It seems obvious (to me anyway) that those aren`t the same craft.
The craft in the footage seems to begin to taper off about half way through the craft. A B757 doesn`t begin to taper until the body reaches the tail wing, which is completely non existant in the footage.
That`s the way I`m seeing things, anyway.
That`s right everyone, turn a deaf ear and close your eyes. Because the government would never lie to us; O no.
You are just like the rest of the machines in this country, shut up and keep staring at the pretty picture the government has painted.
ok. so the first clip isn`t suitable to prove anything by your reasoning.but if we compare the image of what seems to be the entire craft in the second clip to a 757:
well he does now.
please dont think im only bashing the American gov. i have no love nor trust for my own either.
It looks like it went all the way through so it really just all disintergrated!? Also what you said about how big the damage was can`t be proven in the photo since the building was collapsing right there.
Or...Did you buy your "anarchy" shoelaces at Hot Topic?Did your concepts of "anarchy" come from old Sum 41 videos?Do you even know what devistating effects anarchy would have on our nation?
Better yet...Do you even know how to spell anarchy?
It was a tragedy, and carrying on these debates over conspiracy theories and shadowy governments simply insults the memories of those who died.
They died for no reason that we can comprehend, and no reason any terrorist could feasibly justify - let them rest in peace and with dignity.
Does anyone know how big the Pentagon actually is?
"Too small to be a commercial airliner"? The Pentagon is taller than most airline hangars, and is very broad to boot. Any aircraft would look like a r/c plane from most viewpoints.
That photo should give you some idea of the damage caused.
The Pentagon is 77ft high and each side is 440 ft long. The tail of a Boeing 757 reaches 44 ft from the ground. This is why the aircraft appears to be so small. The demolished segment of the Pentagon is the right size considering the mass that hit it.
Plus, the video camera recording these images was using a fish-eye lens, giving a distorted sense of scale.
C`mon now; put the tin-foil hats away and accept that it wasn`t a conspiracy, there was no missile, no fighter jet, no bomb; it was a Boeing 757 passenger jet full of fuel (weighing around 200,000lbs) hitting the wall at over 350 miles p
look close, at the explosion, and pause it when its coming....
oh and if u can get ur hands on a 2 part series... ahh the name escapes me, it pretty much has some good evidence supporting it was a missle and not a plane that hit...
I could have swore it was a commercial arliner and the plane you can see in the second clip looks a lot like a crop duster or something.
I`m not saying `this is fake` but:
the peice you see in the first clip looks a bit small to be the nose of a commericial airliner.