Pentagon 9/11 Videos Released

Submitted by: buddy 11 years ago in
http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml

I guess this will quash some of the conspiracy theories.
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Male 359
i wonder if any of you are smart enough to relise that the government might not know what happened and came to as good a guess as they could find as to what exactly happend and that people who think they know what happend might not know at all. Maybe loose change has no idea what happend and all that they are doing is making as good a guess as they can. The gov`t might be doing what we all are doing they choose something that did wrong to it before and decided that it must be them.
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Male 2,510
lets just say Sh*it happened peaople died it was sad, but theres definatly things they didnt tell us, cos some of the con theorys make alot of sense, you get sites that try to disprove them and they do a very bad job, but on the other hand alot of raw fact outway alot of the theorys, until someone comes forward with a video tape of the plane actually hitting, we will never know.
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Male 578
The "truth" is not out there.
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Male 1
Has anyone ever seen a cruise missile?They look like small planes and isnt that what some people described seeing?
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Male 5
^A great example of cognitive dissonance. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_d...

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Female 174
Unfortunately, there will always be people who are more comfortable holding on to their half-truths and lies because they cannot admit nor accept the fact that they have been deceived by people they trust. It`s easier for them to label others as "crackpot conspiracy theorists" than to open their minds and consider valid facts and information for themselves. If they did, they may find that all these questions they are expecting the “conspiracy theorists” to answer (such as: “Oh yeah, well if flight 77 didn’t hit the Pentagon then what happened to the plane and all the people?”) would be the same questions they would be expecting the government to answer. We already know they lied, but what we aren’t sure of is what really happened… all we have are enough facts to rightly question what they told us… this leads some people to develop theories, but it should lead all people to seek the truth.
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Female 174
A conspiracy theory is just that... a theory. The important thing is to examine the questions raised by the facts presented. If we have evidence that clearly disproves what we have been told by the government and media, why shouldn`t we question them? Once there is the slightest hint of a conspiracy, there will obviously arise theories. People become aware of new facts or discoveries and naturally begin to question and speculate, making educated guesses (or theories) based on the facts presented. Whether or not we can prove these theories isn`t as big of a deal as the fact that we CAN disprove what we have previously been told. The bottom line is, there is a distinction to be made between these "conspiracy theories" and the discovery of verifiable facts that contradict the previously accepted explanations.
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Male 713
Man if our country was all communism and under a dictatorship, you all would be thrown in the slammer.

Oh, a man can dream. Oh a man caaannn dream.

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Male 5
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpur...
Concerning Popular Mechanics and their disinformation.

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Male 106
"But It still doesn`t look like it would match up to the WTC crash." keep in mind that the WTC is much taller and when the planes crashed into them they blew up major supports.
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Male 1,586
Great link, rocko.
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Female 706
If you really want anarchy, you have to be strong. It would be survival of the fittest without anyone to protect you. Anyone with a gun could come up and shoot you and no one would care. You`d have to find everything you need or perish.
And in the end, people would STILL form another, just as sucky govt. because they`re lost without one. People as a whole can`t/too lazy to think for themselves most of the time.
So, even though the govt. isn`t perfect, anarchy wouldn`t be that great, either.
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Male 11
Over and over they investigate the other buildings but NO ONE looks at the fact building 7 callapsed too and it was NEVER hit by a plane!
Also the fires were only on a few floors. You trying to tell me a fire on 1-2 floors not even visable from the outside caused an entire building to callapse?...please
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Male 54
popular mechanics debunks crazy(/stupid) ass 9/11 myths

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/...

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Male 11
actually B-hazard u should watch the WHOLE thing..they base the facts in the begining and then some 1 else comes on...i agree the 1st guy is very boring
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Female 170
I agree Toshikazu somewhat except for sayng that people 18 years and under don`t understand their government. Anarchy is about bringing down the government because it hurts people. Anarchy is chaos and chaos and chaos isn`t exactly hugs and kisses. I just want to know what happened Sept. 11. I am staying and the line right now but I really want to know some more information. And to Toshikazu, I may be fourteen but I`ve done nothing but devote my time to learning about American Government for almost my entire life. So you can`t really say that all people below 18 are unaware of their government because the chances of you meeting every single 18 and under year old person is about the same chances of me pooting out puppies. I think we should have a government that uses sensible and reasonable actions instead of force and violent strategies. I`m nopt saying government doesn`t use sensible actions ever just that I think it should be the only choice.
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Male 2,958
I`m sorry but that guy`s voice was entirely too boring to watch a video saying everything I`ve already heard, hydro.
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Male 11
you all need to get informed...Ill also look for the original and post it if i can still find it so you can see that the frame was deleted...i ask again..if their is nothing to hide y delete the frame that actually showed the aircraft? Read this and their is also a download about the whole thing
http://www.heated-diss-cussion.com
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Female 10
`Cause you do superlong posts haha
KillSarah.
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Male 54
not dismiss. and WHY does it always cut out the last 2 words of my post?
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Male 54
If these posts are going to continue, I think we need to go back to the question posed earlier. Why does this video matter, or better yet, what are we trying to prove with it and what will proving it do?

People are either trying to prove the government told the truth, is telling the truth, or the government lied. Thats our question.

What will proving one or the other do? I believe the wisest thing said here so far has been "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance", and "Those who give up liberty in exchange for a little securty, deserve neither and will lose both". Comment on their lives all you want, but these were still very thought provoking statements. Think on them for a few minutes before you comment to shoot down those "crack pot conspiracy theorists". Some of them just want to keep the American lifestyle they hold so dear, even if the rest of the world hates them for aspects of that lifestyle. Please pick your words carefully and discuss, n

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Male 547
What i also find amazing is that are no other videos out there. They can watch someone pick their nose in the parking lot, but cant get video of a plane crashing into it..hummm
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Male 63
Toshikazu, not once did I claim to be an anarchist. I understand about the lack of government regulations. There would be no workers to make products. There would be no government to subsidize those who are out of work for legitimate reasons. There would be no products due to no workers. We would have no reason to earn money, considering everything would be "free." We would have no way to keep human life respectable, let alone tolerable.

Age has nothing to do with knowledge on a situation. Stop being ignorant.

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Male 2,958
I`m suprised you didn`t check up on that before making such a bold statement.

I guess you should practice what you preach?

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Male 2,958
Jesus, man. I only saw one person that mentioned `anarchy` but he was referering to someone else that apparently brought it up. So...two people. Was it worth all that and taking 5 minutes to figure out how to type out a cuss word to get by censors?

That whole first paragraph I was thinking:
"What the hell is this guy`s problem?"
but then I saw the last to words there and realized:
"Oh, he doesn`t get laid."

Also, Toshikazu. Do you think that footage that starts with the cop car going through a check point is from a gas station or convience store? Loose Change has some loose ends, bud. That`s been mentioned before.

Oh, and it was Mark Twain that said something along thr lines of
"better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."
it only took a two second google search for me to figure that out.

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Male 12
Also, Wolf08. In the LooseChange documentary, it`s noted that the only usable footage was from a nearby gas station or convenience store. lol. Good idea though, waste more of our tax dollars setting up cameras to watch from hundreds of feet away. COME TO THINK OF IT!!!! Let`s pay for them to get cameras, to make sure that nothing happens to the FIRST SET OF CAMERAS! Please check your sources and think before you type something into this reply box. I think it was George Washington that said, "better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."
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Male 12
Anyone in here under the age of 18 talking about anarchy can shut the |-|ell up. You don`t know anything about government, and though some are twisted, vile, disgusting excuses for human beings... Your little dream of "ANARCHY" would never live because fools like you wouldn`t have the means to make it work SINCE ANARCHY WOULD MEAN COMPLETE LACK OF GOVERNMENT, REGULATIONS, STANDARDS OF LIVING, PRICING CAPS, ETC. Education would go to 5|-|IT and you would be to blame. Government is what`s called "the lesser of two evils." I`ll give you a while to look that up somewhere since you haven`t seen enough things along those lines to say you`re an anarchist. FU<KING NOOBS
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Male 244
wow, explosions like that do not happen every day

and why does the PENTAGON use grainy frame cameras? Thats dumb.

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Female 10
SpoonFork..

After reading someone elses comment further up, I realised that, it`s a good point.
I take back most of what I said now!
KillSarah

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Male 11
In the ORIGINAL footage you can actually SEE the plane this video was leaked before it was released. Oddly enough the one they release shows ONLY the nose. If their is nothing to hide to why cut out the frame that actually SHOWED the aircraft? Also i knoticed the nose was too pointy also it indeed looked as if it had two engines from the smoke.
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Male 1
I am a former American Airlines Pilot. Conspiracy theorists are an amazing bunch...too much time on their hands and nothing but imagination to fuel their crazy ideas.

That was a commercial airliner that struck the pentagon. If you don`t believe this, feel free to live in your delusional world, it doesn`t bother the rest of us.

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Male 1,265
"In the end.. is there really any point trying to uncover this.
What if we all brought down the government only to find that what really happened is what we were told all along?
The only people who know the truth is the government and as if they`re gonna tell us that they killed their own people for a seemingly petty reason.
I want to know the truth, but rguing over the internet isn`t going to find it tbh."

The more you question, the less likely they`ll try to pull their bullpoo.

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Male 1,265
"explain the motive... please... anyone... behind the government`s intentions for all of 9/11 or the guy who owned WTC and the demolition of Tower 7 and what that has to do with anything..."

Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Patriot Act, control of nuclear programs of other countries, convince the people that they need more government, etc etc etc

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Male 5
"Those who give up liberty in exchange for a little securty, deserve neither and will lose both"
Ben Franklin
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Female 116
I`d believe it more if the video wasn`t released YEARS later. Hmmm...
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Male 2,605
^"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

Said from a man who believed in the ideals of America, back when being patriotic meant something: Thomas Jefferson.

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Female 706
I don`t know if what the govt. is telling us about the pentagon is a lie or not.
And no college video or blurry security video is going to change that.
We should search for the truth, though. There is more than just a little evidence of something wrong with the story they fed us.
And like it was said before, we MUST question the govt. They need to know that we`re not going to be mindless sheep and believe everything they say. Even if they are telling the truth, they need to know that we won`t just accept everything they feed us.
If we don`t challange the govt., they can just do whatever they want. They need to know that we won`t take it.
No, it`s not insulting the memory of those lost in wondering what really happened. We`re trying to figure it out so we can maybe prevent it from happening to others. We have to learn from history and we can`t do that if we don`t know the truth.
Jeez, that was preachy.
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Female 170
I`m not so sure. I watched the loose change video. I think it`s a little to coincidental that the FBI just released this footage after all the controversy with loose change. It`s a little iffy with me. I`m not sure who to believe. Both sides (the govt. explanation and the Loose Change explanantion) have faults.
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Male 54
disagree "stupid".
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Male 54
This is an issue because it determines if I want to get out of this country or not. Trouble is, I don`t know where I`d go. And no one (worth mentioning) is saying a plane "magically disappeared". I know there are problems in the US, just like tons of other places. Really I only want to find somewhere else to go, but then I have to not only leave everyone I know and love, with the exception of the few I know in other countries, but I have to end my US education and find some way to make a living in another place.
This happens to me every once in a while. I get sickened by all thats happening all over the world and I come to the conclusion that the only way to win is to adopt this sad and disturbing mindset: apathy. And a little while later it will bug me again and I`ll try to tell people again. We know something is wrong, governments have done things like this in the past. Building7 is my proof that somethings going on. Please don`t be closed minded and call people who dis
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Female 10
In the end.. is there really any point trying to uncover this.
What if we all brought down the government only to find that what really happened is what we were told all along?
The only people who know the truth is the government and as if they`re gonna tell us that they killed their own people for a seemingly petty reason.
I want to know the truth, but rguing over the internet isn`t going to find it tbh.
Killsarah
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Male 1,882
Question: Why is this an issue? Irrefutable evidence of the World Trade Center towers getting struck by airplanes is enough for me to connect the fricking dots. Yeah, Bush fired missiles at the Pentagon so he could snap at Sadam for daddy. Seems like a typical leftist retarded conspiracy to me.

You know what my conspiracy theory is? That certain psychotic individuals (mostly liberal, but a fair amount of conservative ones exist) try to grip and control people by scaring them with far-out, crazy conspiracy theories. Could it be a missile? Uh, no? The media discovered that 4 airplanes had been hijacked. Two hit each one of the WTC towers, one flew into the ground, and what, one just magically disappeared while someone fires a missile into the Pentagon? Please. It must be Obvious Day at Camp Stupid: its a load of crap conspiracy theory.

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Female 10
You shouldn`t even bother with the twin towers. You know something was up, because a building down the street was rigged with explosives and set to be demolished before an order came. Simple as that.
AaronE

Yeah, I know all that. I was only stating that lexmex seemed to think that the pentagon crash was the only `unreal` crash, and that the twin towers were real..
Killsarah.

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Male 54
B-Hazard, don`t worry about the pentagon. You`re never going to make any headway with that. Just show people that Building 7 was brought down with controlled explosions that very day and you have your case. All you have to do is show that someone knew in advance, and it debunks the government story.
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Male 176
Next up:
Who is the G-Man? And why is he helping Gordon Freeman?
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Male 2,958
That snopes article claims the wings of the craft snap and then were pulled into the interior of the building with the rest of the plane.

wasn`t the initial hole created on impact only 16 feet in diameter or something? not much room for the body of the plane, let alone the wings to fold to the side and go in with it.

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Male 54
You shouldn`t even bother with the twin towers. You know something was up, because a building down the street was rigged with explosives and set to be demolished before an order came. Simple as that.
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Female 10
And that Lexmex guy should know that the conspiracy theories aren`t just about the pentagon, but about the twin towers as well..
KillSarah.
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Male 2,605
lexmex, don`t be naive. When the world`s greatest superpower uses alleged terrorist attacks to justify wars, the entire world is at stake by the virtue that the world has become so very damned integrated and intricate.

In short, this is not exclusively an "American" problem. Please don`t grow up continuing to be so damned self-serving.

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Male 30
*more gas*
snopes.com provided this one : http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.ht...

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Female 10
`Don`t you think someone would slip up? I mean, considering all the people who would need to be involved in a 9/11 conspiracy, why wouldn`t one of them mess up? America could never keep a secret, why should this be any different?`
MasterDavid.

They kind of have, most of the things the government has said has fell through on them, the general public has disproved the majority of what the government told them. Plus when people speak up, bad things happen to them.

KillSarah.

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Male 54
sorry, Building 7 specifically earned Silverstein only 500 million.
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Male 54
"AaronE,

Ok, so they had that planned... and? Was there a coverup of that implosion? If there was, why? It`s not like he was going to get insurance from that tower... explain the motive... please... anyone... behind the government`s intentions for all of 9/11 or the guy who owned WTC and the demolition of Tower 7 and what that has to do with anything..."

The motive: Larry Silverstein was awarded over 7 billion dollars in insurance payments.

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Female 272
"..... all you see of the metal object is a very small tip. then BOOM. maybe they will start using good cameras from now on.... how the hell does this stop conspiricay theories? it fuels the fire if you ask me"

yea, i agree with you. not to say that i believe any conspiracies or i believe that the government version is 100% true, but as soon as people who love conspiracy see this video...they`ll just say "what a coincidence, there was a BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT the second you should be able to see the plane".

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Male 1,225
AaronE,

Ok, so they had that planned... and? Was there a coverup of that implosion? If there was, why? It`s not like he was going to get insurance from that tower... explain the motive... please... anyone... behind the government`s intentions for all of 9/11 or the guy who owned WTC and the demolition of Tower 7 and what that has to do with anything...

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Male 601
Wow these videos sent a chill down my spine.
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Male 54
company. This is the only fact you need.

Reply please.

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Male 54
I only need one fact to believe September 11th is not what the American government says it is. Tower 7 fell in a planned explosion, and the owner himself said it. 30 second video. watch it. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...

I don`t associate myself with all the crackpots who point at millions of discrepancies, nor do I associate with all the crackpots who don`t question anything, be it the media or their own religions. I side with me: At the very least, Larry Silverstein knew of the attacks in advance. I`m not going to say flight 93 was meant for Building 7 and it didn`t make it, so they made an excuse to set of the already set explosives, because I DONT KNOW THAT`S TRUE. But I do know it fell in a controlled explosion. You can`t just "pull it", it takes weeks of planning, not hours of setting up explosives. You don`t need to be an expert to know this. Look it up, or ask a demolition co

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Female 458
cjh2007 ur not even from america according to ur info so why are you so concerned?
just wondering...
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Male 2,307
The slip ups as you put them are already here, they are in our faces. But our innate love, and pride in the credibility and undying `justice` in our country seems to blind us.

We`re always the good guys right?

No.

Terrorism has been used in the past to fulfill a political agenda, Caesar used terrorism for his own selfish purposes, why not destroy the towers?

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Male 2,605
^ Right, and the video that cjh2007 continually refers to says the exact same thing. How can a piece of debris so close to the point of impact be completely uncharred when the rest of the plane was said to have been "vaporized"?

When orchestrating any kind of mass deception, especially such a significant one, a few slip-ups are bound to manifest themselves under intense scrutiny.

Nameless, pale guy in black suit: "Look here, CNN reporters, this piece of debris came from an American Airlines plane. You can see from the red white and blue lines. Don`t you have enough common sense to realize this came from an American Airlines commercial plane?"

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Male 2,958
-some one said their was no wreckage after the hit it took me about 15 min to find this pic

*tosses gas on the fire then runs*-

only thing wrong with that piece is the fact that the ENTIRE plane (aside from a few other scraps) was supposedly incinerated, but that piece of metal isn`t charred in any way. It`s just a little tore up.

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Male 1,225
I love how the Europeans all seem to be on the conspiracy theorists` side... is that all they feed you in your country?

I don`t have an opinion, mainly because my uncle died in Tower 1 and I`m not ready for it yet. I don`t need to relive that day. I don`t want to think about it. If the government is doing a coverup, I want to know why? I don`t see how they profit from it. All I can see is people falling to their deaths to commit suicide rather than die of smoke inhallation.

I`ll watch some of these clips when I`m ready...

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Male 53
Don`t you think someone would slip up? I mean, considering all the people who would need to be involved in a 9/11 conspiracy, why wouldn`t one of them mess up? America could never keep a secret, why should this be any different?
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Male 30
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Odd%2...

some one said their was no wreckage after the hit it took me about 15 min to find this pic

*tosses gas on the fire then runs*

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Male 312
I am just really glad to see that some people do actually think for themselves.
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Female 403
..... all you see of the metal object is a very small tip. then BOOM. maybe they will start using good cameras from now on.... how the hell does this stop conspiricay theories? it fuels the fire if you ask me
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Male 39
and the other facts rocko...huh... u just gonna ignore all these facts?
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Male 2,605
What are the going conspiracy theories about the fourth plan, the one the passengers supposedly brought down? My government instructor told me it was blown up with American missiles (which seems perfectly logical to me). And because it`s bad publicity for a government to shoot down a commercial aircraft, they let the media think the plane was overtaken from the inside.
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Male 54
i did, a B-52 didnt even crash into the empire state building, it was a plane that was like 1/3 the size of a B-52
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Male 39
watch the whole film i said...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...

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Male 54
no, shutup, loose change is a freakin college video for gods sake. This guy wants debris, but when there is debris, he says it isnt possible, and then he says there should`ve been debris. The guy contradicts himself too much.
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Male 151
Hmm.....No

That doesn`t prove it to me. Show me the whole plane before it hit and i will believe you.

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Male 39
watch the film
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Male 39
Male 39
Please for the love of ur country watch this documentary...

Terribly shocking... but fact based... do it for the future of america... and im not joking

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Female 458
not to interuppt everyone conspiracy talk but when u watched those u saw the people in the cars drive by...i wonder what was going through their minds..
WHAT THE FUC*K WAS THAT!! HOLY CRAP!!
thats just what i think they thought


oh and i dont understand the whole conspiracy thing. many people died and i dont think they would need to lie if it was a missle or a plane
and i dont think that the government would be like...yeah we think that the pentagon is gunna get hit along with the white house and the twin towers...we saw the twin towers get hit by the planes y wouldnt the pentagon getting hit at the same time be real???

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Male 39
Male 39
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...

Watch this... it will clear up everything... just believe me

Believe me for once guys and watch this link... ur government fooled u... and used u... watch this video... please, for those who died september 11th...

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Male 995
I`m not saying it wasn`t a plane, but how the hell do you get it to smack the building at that angle????
Back to basics:
Government knew about happenings--> blow to american credence
Government didn`t know about happenings---> blow to american pride
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Female 2,552
That`s scary. Can you imagine being in that plane?
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Male 46
I still want to know where the damn 757 airplane went if it did not crash into the pentagon! Where is the plane and all the people aboard?
Yes the Pentagon is friggin huge and this video is terrible so it really shows nothing either way.It could be a 757 or just about anything else that flys. At 400 mph into a building there is not going to be any airplane left,I have seen it upclose.I saw a 737 crash and the scene looked like maybe a small cessna had crashed or something.The rescue workers who showed up thought it had to be a small plane at first because all there was a hole in the ground and smoke in the air.
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Male 54


the pentagon was made to withstand a nuclear bomb (not at point blank, but pretty damn close), its amazing the plane got through the second ring at all at only 350 miles per hour. It was a plane, people died, shutup you freakin dumbasses.

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Male 1,039
I personally wouldn`t be surprised if some of it was setup, BUT I took frig`n motion and still photography in college...I DO know how this stuff works.
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Male 506
Yuck... REALLY REALLY REALLY slow frame rate.
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Male 1,039
"yeah these dumbasses that say " but look at in relation to building size" no idiots u look at the ground WHERE ARE THE WINGS AND TAIL. let me guess must have been dwarfed so severly by building we cant see them. ppl are so afraid to admit they are wrong its sad. its like ppl dont wanna think anymore."

mrgein...maybe you should follow your own advice

with the quality of video and the distance YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE WINGS OR THE TAIL!!! GOODNESS!!!

If you flew ANY plane at that distance, at that speed, with this camera, all you would get is a long blurr formed by the largest part of the plane, the body, the motion blurr practically eleminates the tail fins or anything other than a very crappy cylinder shape.

I`m not supporting or disapproving that it`s a conspiracy...doesn`t anyone get that. I`m just explaining why peoples excuses for "where`s the wings/tail", "that looks too small", don`t hold any ground. I personally wouldn`t b

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Male 1,265
Here`s the thing about the Penn & Teller show...

They rely on a person`s opinion, without facts, to judge another set of facts.

Insults try to sway a person`s sense of "logic" and "intellect" without any real facts to sway one way or the other.

The Fireman`s proof is that he can`t believe that the government would do this.

P & T`s argument for a lot of it is that it is indecent to the families of victims, but this really has nothing to do with what happened, only how it affected the people that it happened to.

Ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem.

No facts no facts no facts.

WTF?

I heard these guys did a pooty show called Bullpoo, and now I have first-hand experience.

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Male 6
Enohead, your cutting sarcasm is top notch. Keep going.
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Male 44
yeah these dumbasses that say " but look at in relation to building size" no idiots u look at the ground WHERE ARE THE WINGS AND TAIL. let me guess must have been dwarfed so severly by building we cant see them. ppl are so afraid to admit they are wrong its sad. its like ppl dont wanna think anymore.
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Male 1,586
jaables, if someone you know gets murdered, I`ll be convinced that YOU did it and made it look like someone else did.
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Male 6
The theories actually began as soon as 9/11 happened, as would be requisite with any investigation into something of this nature. I think you meant to say that the video (with supposed evidence of the plane hitting the pentagon) took a long time, nealry 5 years.
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Male 44
F is for fighting
R is for red, ancestors blood in battle they shed
E we elect them
E we eject them in the land of the free and the home of the brave
D is for dying
O your overture
M is for money and we all know what that cures.
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Male 66
Wow, that was sooo convincing. If a plane did truly hit the Pentagon, why the drat did it take them so long to release the video? Also, the quality was horrible. Even with that quality, that sure didn`t look like an air plane to me.
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Male 713
It took a long ass time for us to think of a bullpoo theory like this. What waste of thought
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Male 6
I`ve never seen this many compelling arguments in my life. Case closed if you ask me. I`ve been converted. Amen! Now I`ll know not to ask questions if someone I know gets murdered. "Oh, he`s/she`s dead...well take care. Thanks officer! Keep up the good work!" I wouldn`t want to sully his/her memory due to my own incredulity.
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Female 184
You think this`ll quash the conspiracy theories? No way. Nothing will quash the conspiracy theories.
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Male 1,586
Yeah, and all it takes is a bunch of money for all these people to be okay with the fact that they were responsible for the deaths of thousands of people.
Riiiiight....
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Male 578
It`s funny you should say that because even if there was a conspiracy, I don`t think our government would be smart enough to pull it off. Hell, Bill Clinton couldn`t even keep a blowjob secret.
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Male 1,586
White does not equal silver and red...
What if it`s going 400 mph in the picture, and the picture is crap quality because it`s a security camera, and the sun reflecting off the metal surface of the plane is causing pixel bleed because it`s a crap security camera?
Or, mostly because if the public was going to be deceived by someone, that someone might make sure that you could see the red, white, and blue markings on a purported American Airlines plane.

"We had this great plan, but we overlooked the paintjob in our doctored photos... D`oh!"

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Male 359
PHOTOSHOPED!!
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Male 164
Charlie Sheen is full of it, too.
Watch the pentagon video.

TELL ME you see a silver plane, not a white plane.

Whether you believe the government did it, NATO did it, Islamic Extremists did it, or it was an act of god, you can`t honestly tell me the WHITE plane that they show if the OFFICIAL video looks like an American Airlines 757 (Again, pictured here: http://www.williamdemarest.com/images/Am...

White does not equal silver/red

Something isn`t being told to the public.

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Male 1,586
Oh, sorry. I`ll get my facts from Charlie Sheen instead.
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Male 164
If you get your facts from two holywood entertainers, you need to have your head examined.

He lost all credibility when he started calling everyone an non-nice individual and saying "push someone down a flight of stairs if they`re carrying this book."

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Male 164
http://www.williamdemarest.com/images/Am...

Does that look like the thing that hit the pentagon to you?

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Male 46
"no one`s an expert on anything here"
That`s all you needed to say.
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Male 46
The security cameras are probably to catch the cars going in and so wouldn`t need to be a higher frame rate. Either that or they were planted there specially for when they fired the missile, so they could take the evidence away and doctor it over 5 or so years to make it look like a plane... you decide.
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Male 6
Here come the sheep...baaaaaaaah...it only takes a minute to smell the crap that surrounds 9/11. Let the blind lead the blind...no one`s an expert on anything here, but why is there no eveidence to support or refute damn near everything from that eventful day? All we have to go on is some lose testimony and a grainy video that comes out several years later to debunk the fact that the gov`t might have a hand in this. Is that enough? Doubtful. Does it seem suspicious, though, when the President`s Brother (Marvin Bush) was in charge of security for the WTC and his contract conveniently expired that day? Yes. Does it seem suspicious when building 7 of the WTC (located two blocks away from the towers) mysteriously catches fire and is subsequently demolished (demolitions take months to prepare) that same day, thus paving the way for Larry Silverstein (owner of the WTC complex) to be awarded insurance payments of more $7 billion? Yes. But what do I know? I just like tinfoil!
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Male 1,586
[quote]On 5/17/2006 3:23:44 PM greatghandi wrote: WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THERE BE A SECURITY CAMERA WITH THAT FRAME-RATE??? I`d expect the Pentagon to have better-than-normal security cameras.[/quote]

Well, not to ignore you expertise on what the Pentagon should or shouldn`t have, but the one frame per second IS better than convenience store security cameras.
It`s just not good enough to capture a 400 mile-per-hour jet. And why should it be?

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Male 578

Now this is obviously fake, but if the government REALLY wanted us to believe what happened, could they have not released something similar to this. I`m just putting it out there.

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Male 46
Yeah all 2 of them were exactly (or thereabouts) in sync. I`ll be damned if thats a coincidence.
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Male 12
<i>WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THERE BE A SECURITY CAMERA WITH THAT FRAME-RATE???</i>

I`d expect the Pentagon to have better-than-normal security cameras.

But whats with the frame rates in all of the cameras being in sync?

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Male 46
Yeah they took 5 years to doctor the tapes... photoshopped.
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Male 610
you cant honestly expect these tapes to be actual proof of anything after having been held for such a long period of time. i just assume they were doctored. end of story.
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Male 46
Why would `the government` fire a missile into the pentagon anyway... Ahh because you said so of course.
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Male 1,586
Common sense physics lesson for you all:
Pentagon = huge, solid; build to sit on the ground and be strong.
Jet = lightweight, flexible; built to go up in the air and fly real fast.

Now, which do you think would have less damage to it in an impact of the two?
It`s really not surpising at all that there weren`t large, recognizable pieces of plane left after the impact.

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Male 4
Also, I know a person who worked in the pentagon on the wing that was destroyed and heard nothing about the incidents until the explosion...luckily he was in a meeting on the other side
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Male 213
That video squashes what exactly? I am not a conspiracy nut, but that just proves something hit the building. I was expecting to see a good shot of the plane.
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Male 4
Just wanted to add...that I`ve been to Washington DC and the Pentagon is fricken huge and stands out and I don`t think anybody could get away with sending a missile into it considering how open the area is around it and its sourounded by highways...
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Male 995
Must have been an awesome pilot to crash a small plane like that at that altitude.... funny thing, perspective indeed
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Female 10
i watched the Loose Change 9/11 thing and i don`t think that this video that took them what..5 or so yrs 2 release proves anything. It could be doctored. I am all for the consiracy theory after seeing hard evidence for it. There is nowhere in the hole on the side of the pentagon for the wings of the plane?! so where would they be. Also they found no debris at the site apart from one or 2 pieces, so would this plane really just disentergrate into nothing when it hit the building?

If u watch the videos of the twin towers you can see bombs going off at intervals down the building! Also only 3 skyscraper buildings have EVER been knocked down by `fire damadge`..The 2 towers and a nearby building the same day. So why was that? it must have had some help..

Im with the theorys

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[quote]On 5/17/2006 2:33:26 PM Vindicate wrote: All I`m gonna say is that there`s an extremely convenient frame rate so it`s impossible to easily discern what caused the explosion. As someone else said - this video proves that the Pentagon was damaged and that there was an explosion. Nothing more, nothing less. So far as I saw, there was some cylindrical white thing on the right hand side and then there was an explosion. Convincing evidence? Hardly. Would definitely like to see the vids from the Citgo and hotel.[/quote]

Yeah - it`s "convenient" that a security camera isn`t set up for a frame-rate that would sufficiently capture clear images of a commercial jet going approximately 400 miles per hour.
WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THERE BE A SECURITY CAMERA WITH THAT FRAME-RATE???
Jesus, you people.

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Male 46
I think God must have caused the flash, hes probably on the payroll too, you`d best convert. Ever thought about Islam? Dumb drats.
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Male 1,039
Like amigaholic said the building would dwarf the plane and from that distance just to be seen on camera it would have to be huge.

You have to realize the perspective here peeps.

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Male 46
Also,if it wasnt flight 77 hitting the pentagon what happened to flight 77 and all the people aboard? Where did they go? Where could a 757 have crashed or been shot down and nobody saw anything?
Not that i believe everything the govt. tells us but I never hear any of the conspiracy believers explain what they think happend to the airplane and passengers.
I does make me wonder that the pentagon maybe the most protected place on earth does not have some kind of video system that would have taped this event better than that.
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Male 1,039
I wish people would stop and use those things called "brains". I`m not saying it is or isn`t a conspiracy.

BUT from where this camera is located to the point of impact is 200-225 yards away people!!

Now lets stop and think...OK

A cruise missle would look like a needle from that far away...if you could even see it for that matter. Not to mention it would be traveling so fast the camera wouldn`t even pick it up.

Now I`m sure I could see the object entering the screen in this shot and if you put something that size over 200 yards away it`s gonna be pretty darn big when you walked up to it.

Just my 2 cents. People seem to think this shot is from like 50 yards away or something????!!!!

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Female 28
Can someone tell me why there was a bright flash of light after the plane hit in the 2nd video? What was that? And also why does the person in the white van get out after pulling up and doesn`t seem to notice.. like he never walked back to look, hell i`d be freakin` out.. !!
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Female 511
All I`m gonna say is that there`s an extremely convenient frame rate so it`s impossible to easily discern what caused the explosion. As someone else said - this video proves that the Pentagon was damaged and that there was an explosion. Nothing more, nothing less. So far as I saw, there was some cylindrical white thing on the right hand side and then there was an explosion. Convincing evidence? Hardly. Would definitely like to see the vids from the Citgo and hotel.
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Male 46
This video wont settle anything its pretty useless.
As for lack of wreckage,I saw a 737 nosedive into the ground in 1991 in Colorado.After the crash there was really nothing left of the plane.
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Male 40
"This looks nothing like every other time a commercial jet has hit the Pentagon. Oh, wait - a commercial jet has never hit the Pentagon before. I guess I have nothing to compare it to. But I will act like I do."

<---Agrees!

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Male 46
Of course this video just proves how deep the consiparacy goes... The goverment is smart enough to trick most of us machines but not the select few internet conspiracy theorists and your vast knowledge of high school physics, strange no real physicists have come forward... they must be on the payroll.
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Male 1,586
I`m confused - Is Bush a moron, or is he a mastermind? Some people seem to think both.

Secondly, it amuses me that people will believe something that 10% plausible and call people who believe something that`s 90% plausible "cows" and "machines"

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Male 578
You would think flying two planes into the WTC would be enough to gain public support for those things, right? I guess they just blew up the Pentagon for kicks.
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Male 133
Just watch loose change 2nd edition on google video. It really changed my perspective on this issue. I`ll just stand by what this film has to say.
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Male 1,265
"And can anyone tell me WHY the government would fake the crashing of a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon?"

Let`s see:

public support of: Afghanistan, Iraq, Patriot Act, Iran, etc.

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Male 54
Cruise Missile + Pentagon = This video

Utter BS - Where`s the frickin plane? Wreckage?? Bueller???

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Male 2,958
Damn interesting video, 6strings.

What I`ve gathered so far is cops don`t like cameras and I should probably stop mooning the fuji film blimp that flies over my house every so often.

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Male 737
This is crazy. I`m intrigued by this now. It just facinates me how every story that the government and "experts" came up with got smashed to pieces by physics, common sense and mixed eye-witnesses.

I`m still watching the first google video link now, and it`s really damn cool!

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Male 5
I think that VONLINE asked a good question. Why would the government fake such an attack? I will also ask a couple of questions.
1.Has this ever happened before?
2.Who stands to gain?
I think that this documentary does a pretty good job at trying to answer these questions.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
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Female 168
gay doens`t prove poo
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Male 2,958
oh, and like I said, that circle in my first picture needs to be ignored. When it`s paused on that frame it looks like the wing of the craft. But I went back after I posted and saw that it`s actually a building in the background.
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Male 2,958
-Okay. I don`t agree with or believe everything the government tells me. I`m looking at B-Hazard`s picture and I`ll tell you what I see. I see blurry colors at an undistinguishable distance with a circle around it. No offense to B-hazard.-

no problem. I understand it`s not the best footage, and like I said, that`s just what I see. It`s up for different translation.

I`ll save my definite judgement for when the government releases the rest of the tapes. But for as long as they`ve had magic, the cure for aids, and the roswell aliens kept away from us too, I think that may take a while.

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Male 578
And you avoided my question by asking me a question. I`m not the one trying to debunk the truth, you are.
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Male 49
After 9/11 I believed the news reports relatively blindly. I`ve seen several of these conspiracy theories since and now I`m not sure. By no means does this video prove that a 757 hit the pentagon. To me it seems way too thin to be a passenger plane. But at what distance are we? If nothing else, these videos make me think about it yet again.
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Male 2,510
Yes this will eliminate all those theorys, Even tho these video have been out since the start, this is what they showed us when it 1st hit, it didnt explain why the building around it which had cameras pointed toward where the plane hit were all off on the day of the crash or the lack of wreckage why is it when we ask for proof of a comercial airliner hitting the pentagon we get 1 frame of white that could have been anything and the same old piece of blue and red metal. Then about 300 different storys from crack pots.
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Male 578
"they could have easily intercepted whatever it was without hassle, if they wanted to."

I`m amazed at how you know this stuff.

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Male 578
Okay. I don`t agree with or believe everything the government tells me. I`m looking at B-Hazard`s picture and I`ll tell you what I see. I see blurry colors at an undistinguishable distance with a circle around it. No offense to B-hazard.
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Male 44
yeah its obvioulsy not a 757 and im not sayin OUR government is invovled but some fishy poo is definetly going on here. i like the instance in the video about the non-existance wings that should have broke off too. and how instead of trying to catch the ones responsible our government makes it thier top prioriety to get all the surrounding videotapes first. pretty drated up, and dont bother saying theyre collecting evidence. thats weak.
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Male 1,083
Most television networks showed a crappy version of these videos but I have to save I`m convinced. I`m still concerned why they didnt release all the tapes, thats my only concern.
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Male 2,958
I agree with you both vonline. that`s why I prefer to stay away from the `destruction` part of the whole debate. I can`t base any of my arguments on anything besides what I can see.

but what I can see I described in the posts just above. and that the area around the crash (where the wings should have hit) is relatively untouched and there`s no wreckage left like there should be from the wings breaking off (like they should have if they left no damage)

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Male 329
Vonline - `And can anyone tell me WHY the government would fake the crashing of a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon?`

also i think a better question is `why would the american gov. allow something to crash into the pentagon in the first place?` they could have easily intercepted whatever it was without hassle, if they wanted to. unless it was a missile of some sort then maybe not... however im not saying it was a missile.

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Male 329
Vonline. no offense, but ive read many of your posts over the last few weeks and have failed to agree with anything you say. before responding please look at the pic provided by B-Hazard and then ask yourself this question... `Why am I so ready to accept whatever the Gov. says without question?` - this is really troubling me.

and to answer your question. i or others here do not claim to be experts. i guess you can call it common sense, or perhaps having an IQ higher than a piece of beef jerky.

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Male 578
To echo what Eno said, I didn`t realize so many people were experts on Boeing 757s crashing into Pentagons.

And can anyone tell me WHY the government would fake the crashing of a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon?

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Male 2,958
ignore the circle in the first picture. I thought that was the wing of the craft but I went back and saw it`s a building in the distance.
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Male 2,958
ok


It seems obvious (to me anyway) that those aren`t the same craft.


The craft in the footage seems to begin to taper off about half way through the craft. A B757 doesn`t begin to taper until the body reaches the tail wing, which is completely non existant in the footage.

That`s the way I`m seeing things, anyway.

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Male 54
I`m still not seeing something, and don`t say it`s because of a "fish-eye lens". What I still don`t see are some of the other confiscated videos. VA transportation, the hotel, and the privately owned video from the Citgo station... where are these? The FBI says that there is no hotel video from the Sheraton, yet one was taken, and they say that Citgo didn`t record the impact. I`d still like to see it. This IS what the Judicial Watch requested, right? I like Judicial Watch.. I just think their people are payed a whole lot.. their treasurer/secretary gets like.. $200,000 a year.. for 40 hours a week! I`d SO put in 8 hour days for that :-) My verdict? I`m American, I want MORE video. I don`t care if it doesn`t show direct impact, I wanna see this plane and maybe see what else is in the skies just before and after.
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Female 26
[quote] C`mon now; put the tin-foil hats away and accept that it wasn`t a conspiracy, there was no missile, no fighter jet, no bomb; it was a Boeing 757 passenger jet full of fuel (weighing around 200,000lbs) hitting the wall at over 350 miles p[/quote]

That`s right everyone, turn a deaf ear and close your eyes. Because the government would never lie to us; O no.

You are just like the rest of the machines in this country, shut up and keep staring at the pretty picture the government has painted.

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Female 1,463
night watch great shout!!
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Male 2,958
-"Too small to be a commercial airliner"? The Pentagon is taller than most airline hangars, and is very broad to boot. Any aircraft would look like a r/c plane from most viewpoints.
...
Plus, the video camera recording these images was using a fish-eye lens, giving a distorted sense of scale.-

ok. so the first clip isn`t suitable to prove anything by your reasoning.
but if we compare the image of what seems to be the entire craft in the second clip to a 757:

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Female 316
mrgein: this probably seems really shallow amidts all of this debate, but I loved the soundtrack from memoryhole
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Female 400
Yeah its completely ridiculous. Even if they broke off, where and how did they? There is no trace of wings, god who ever was doing this must`ve been like...poo, I forgot how planes have wings, durrrrr. I`m not saying I know who did this I`m not even saying I think it was the government it just needs to be further investigated and released to America cause people like me aren`t taking the bullpoo.
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Male 105
Couldn`t agree more, well said MrEman.
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Male 2,958
The wing damage is the the main thing that gets to me...seems like if it was a commericial airliner the wings just broke off on impact, but there was no wreckage found at all.
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Male 329
oh, and well saod jaables.
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Male 2,958
-Better yet...
Do you even know how to spell anarchy?-

well he does now.

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Male 329
this all makes me sick. what is worse is the people who stand up for the american gov and believe what they say without question. what i find most disturbing is how the towers themselves collapsed (explosive charges from inside) but people still come up with BS like, `its just disrespectful to the dead to talk debate what really happened`... if you ask me, and i realise half of you aint asking, then i think its disrespectful to accept the BS that the american gov spews out. its disrespectful to the dead to stop trying to find the truth. the US gov thinks that after 5 years most ppl will just forget about it. sadly this is true, and that is what sickens me the most.

please dont think im only bashing the American gov. i have no love nor trust for my own either.

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Female 316
Ragin2340: That is a parking lot gate arm.
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Female 400
It`s new it`s just from a different angle and thus not really convincing anyone that it was a plane who saw the old one. And amigaholic, I thought planes had wings, no? No damage whatsoever to the windows or area right next to the hole in this http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Sep2001/010914-F-8006R-002.jpg

It looks like it went all the way through so it really just all disintergrated!? Also what you said about how big the damage was can`t be proven in the photo since the building was collapsing right there.

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Female 33
This isn`t new. I saw it YEARS ago on a conspiracy website.
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Male 44
www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php
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Male 44
WWHOOOOAAA somethings drated up here thats not even the same clip i saw on the news its a completely different angle. HMMMMM
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Male 44
correct b-hazard i saw this clip about a year or two ago in a clip about the pentagon "conspiracy" the entire film was quite convincing in some areas. it was on a website called freedom something. anyway that was obviously NOT a boeing 757 more like a fighter jet or something i mean look in porportion with the toll both and other stationary objects. its quite obviuos.
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Male 6
I don`t see why this still is something we shouldn`t question. It`s absurd to suggest that questioning the validity of what we`re told is the "truth" is somehow disrespectful to those who died. I find it hilarious that the general retort offered up by those who "believe" that there is no conspiracy is to simply dismiss persons, such as me, as belonging to some ecentric sect that parades around, as one person called it, wearing "tin-foil hats." Am I not to question the actions taken by Lisa Beamer (widow of Todd Beamer of Flight 93, who supposedly coined "Let`s Roll") after 9/11? She copywrote the phrase via her lawyer and then sold the phrase to the US Gov`t to put on planes in Afghanistan. Doesn`t this raise an eyebrow? Am I not to question the fact that several engineers declared the collapse of the towers due to structural failure a complete impossibility given steel`s melting point is far higher than any heat that would have been prodcu
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Male 1,586
This looks nothing like every other time a commercial jet has hit the Pentagon. Oh, wait - a commercial jet has never hit the Pentagon before. I guess I have nothing to compare it to. But I will act like I do.
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Male 63
ACDC, please tell me how you are connected to the internet. Are you truly an anarchist? Did you build your own house out of items you didn`t buy at a store? Do you grow your own food? Do you make your own clothes?

Or...
Did you buy your "anarchy" shoelaces at Hot Topic?
Did your concepts of "anarchy" come from old Sum 41 videos?
Do you even know what devistating effects anarchy would have on our nation?

Better yet...
Do you even know how to spell anarchy?

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Male 168
nope can`t spot a plane hitting the pentagon!
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Male 312
Also, nobody has explained lack of wreckage.

Again, BS.

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Male 312
I call BS.
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Male 5
Looks more like a global hawk than a commercial airliner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-4_Global...
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Male 92
I thought a little on it, explosion size - they can be bigger then you think.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
For those of you who are wondering about that. . .
But It still doesn`t look like it would match up to the WTC crash.
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Male 318
NO, there is only one solution, KILL EVERYBODY WITH POWER, NO LEADERS, ONLY ANARCHI, YES THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITH NO GREDDY, POWERFUL AND EVIL MEN (AND WOMEN)
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Female 1,972
^^AMEN!
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Male 49
*per hour.

It was a tragedy, and carrying on these debates over conspiracy theories and shadowy governments simply insults the memories of those who died.

They died for no reason that we can comprehend, and no reason any terrorist could feasibly justify - let them rest in peace and with dignity.

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Male 49
Oh for God`s sake

Does anyone know how big the Pentagon actually is?

"Too small to be a commercial airliner"? The Pentagon is taller than most airline hangars, and is very broad to boot. Any aircraft would look like a r/c plane from most viewpoints.

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Sep2001/010914-F-8006R-002.jpg

That photo should give you some idea of the damage caused.

The Pentagon is 77ft high and each side is 440 ft long. The tail of a Boeing 757 reaches 44 ft from the ground. This is why the aircraft appears to be so small. The demolished segment of the Pentagon is the right size considering the mass that hit it.

Plus, the video camera recording these images was using a fish-eye lens, giving a distorted sense of scale.

C`mon now; put the tin-foil hats away and accept that it wasn`t a conspiracy, there was no missile, no fighter jet, no bomb; it was a Boeing 757 passenger jet full of fuel (weighing around 200,000lbs) hitting the wall at over 350 miles p

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Male 1,115
Same with lolakitty. does help to broaden some horizens but still makes people wonder. BTW, what was that pole that came out of the ground in video 2?
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Female 660
sick..
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Female 1,211
meh. all i know is that lolakitty is right....it was bad, and i cant be bothered to find out the exact truth.
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Female 1,972
Conspiracy, schmonspiracy...it was bad, people died...does it matter with whom the conspiriacy lies? They`re all bastards
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Male 608
I can not say if 911 was engineered by this so called "shadow govt." or not but there are certainly a lot of very strange anomalies that pertain to the whole tragedy. The original photos supposedly prove that the original hole left by the alleged plane was only 16 Ft. in diameter before the structural collapse. The truth is out there...

http://911inplanesite.com/911synopsis.ht...

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Male 208
Correct Hazard. I`ve studied the video extensively, and I think we can rule out that it was neither a bird, nor Superman. The theory behind a baseball from a group of children has yet to be disproven unfortunately.
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Male 2,958
...it proves something hit the building.
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Male 7
don`t prove nothing
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Male 1
There`s a documentary called 9/11: Loose Change that goes into this, you can watch it online on google videos.
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Male 820
pfft, skip the first 1:20 of it if ur impatient like me
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Male 1,866
like some "consipracy theories" say, that looks like no plane, but a missle...

look close, at the explosion, and pause it when its coming....

oh and if u can get ur hands on a 2 part series... ahh the name escapes me, it pretty much has some good evidence supporting it was a missle and not a plane that hit...

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Male 2,958
I mean. I don`t know exactly what kind of plane crashed into the building. So it may have been one of those smaller private planes. Anyone know if it was?

I could have swore it was a commercial arliner and the plane you can see in the second clip looks a lot like a crop duster or something.

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Male 2
Looks like this won`t stop the conspiracies. But atleast it ought to broaden some people`s perspective.
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Male 2,958
I still find it convenient that it`s only a tiny peice of the plane for 1 frame.

I`m not saying `this is fake` but:

the peice you see in the first clip looks a bit small to be the nose of a commericial airliner.

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Male 2
Yeah I guess it does. For a second there you can see the nose of the plane and then a blinding flash... That was some crazy piloting.
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Male 10,115
Link: Pentagon 9/11 Videos Released [Rate Link] - I guess this will quash some of the conspiracy theories.
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