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  1. Profile photo of buddy
    buddy Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:07 am
    Link: Disney Self-Plagiarism - Disney copying itself? Interesting screen shots (but text is in Russian).
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    ibigfire Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:17 am
    Interesting...
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:17 am
    eh, it happens. cartoons do it all the time to save on creative thinking for one, and cost to redo a strip. saves time and money...
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    Jello_eater Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:18 am
    some of that is way past coincidence, pretty sad people have the time to find this stuff, and i have the time to look at it
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:20 am
    yeah...not so much plagiarizing as much as wanting to save time.
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:20 am
    still pretty interesting, though.

    Wish I could read what it said because I didn`t understand some of the pictures

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    SarahColleen Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:27 am
    so they use character sketch templates- saves them time and money on ciracells back in the olden days of animation.

    still pretty cool.

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    BakaNeko728 Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 3:30 am
    well they`re all classics... so what if they used doubles lol. we haven`t noticed them till now anyways lol.
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    Forseti Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 3:49 am
    On 4/27/2006 2:20:36 AM B-Hazard wrote: still pretty interesting, though. Wish I could read what it said because I didn`t understand some of the picturesWhich ones? I`ll try to explain.
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    cheeseboy Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 4:03 am
    wow they r like all exactly the same except 4 the one with the 2 coloured elephants.... didnt really understand that
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    cruxshadows Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 4:19 am
    Hm, Very Interesting.
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    brutalnz Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2006 at 4:53 am
    probably more interesting if it was in english, jungle book/pooh stuff was right on
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    Forseti Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 5:15 am
    On 4/27/2006 4:03:25 AM cheeseboy wrote: wow they r like all exactly the same except 4 the one with the 2 coloured elephants.... didnt really understand thatThey just mean that those two elephants weren`t drawn seprately, but cut and pasted.
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    fk Male 70 & Over
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    April 27, 2006 at 5:22 am
    What`s with this "plagiarism" BS? But yes, it`s obvious that Disney re-uses work (those screen caps are good, and undeniable).
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    Forseti Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 5:50 am
    On 4/27/2006 5:22:54 AM fk wrote: What`s with this "plagiarism" BS? Because that`s the official term for such re-usal )-|
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    UKJess86 Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 7:08 am
    yeah plagiarism is using another`s work and passing it off as your own... this is not technically the same since it`s all under the `Disney` name and they probably do credit the right animators/artists etc. and most of that was just coincidence and similar movements/positions cause it`s like the disney equivalent of stage school (`surprise`/`laughing` etc expression/action).. and yeh it`s just to save time so they use similar backgrounds.. I thought this was gonna be about all the subtle stuff.. like nemo being in Monster`s Inc in toy form. as for the dalmations, if you had to draw a few lines of similar looking dogs wouldn`t u just do one and copy/paste?
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    Ragin2340 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 7:24 am
    Yup, recycle animation cycles and use it in other shows, not a new technique but still nice to know where they are at.
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    ajr2006 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 7:56 am
    yeah, its not plagiarism, its just the animators getting lazy.
    Interesting stuff though.
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    Kersplash Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 8:00 am
    As for the first two screenshots with the seven dwarfs, I believe that the second one is from one of Disney`s war-time shorts designed to sell war-bonds. These shorts were quickly and cheaply produced - they run no more than 1-2 minutes in length and are comprised almost entirely of recycled material from previous Disney shorts and the then only Disney feature-length animated movie Snow White. The short in question here is a complete lift of the scene from Snow White where the dwarfs walk home from the mine, only with altered backgrounds and a few new details to instead show the dwarfs walking to town to buy war bonds. Just an interesting piece of trivia on that.
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    Cindy_ Female 30-39
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    April 27, 2006 at 8:16 am
    Someone already said it, but this is not the definition of plagiarism. It`s no different then me using an old essay paper in another class. It`s still mine, no matter WHERE I use it.
    Yes, it`s lazy, but reusing the cells would cut down costs and such. I see nothing wrong with it.
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2006 at 8:39 am
    Disney studios fired all of their animators, then released Chicken Little as their new masterpiece, that is their crime.
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    jennwisner Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 9:40 am
    "It`s no different then me using an old essay paper in another class."

    I`m not sure where you`re going to school, but resubmitting your own work in a different class is punishable with the same consequences as plagerism (in the sense of using someone else`s work) where I go to school.

    And I think it should be.

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    Cindy_ Female 30-39
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    April 27, 2006 at 9:46 am
    Jenn, take the stick out of your ass. I was using it as an example. Not the best example, but it`s using one`s own work in another instance. That`s what I was getting at. And I`m hoping that others were smart enough to see that`s what I was saying, and NOT condoning reusing essay papers.
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    bellarina Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 9:48 am
    its the same thing with some of disney music...listen to the beginning of under the sea and i just can`t wait to be king...
    noticed that teh other day!
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    cappez Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 10:36 am
    Well I always thought all disney characters and animations are very similar, but that`s also their style.
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    BirkirHe Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 11:04 am
    Disney Songs are the greatest songs ever.
    Disney movies are very good or very bad, there`s no between.

    This is really creepy though

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    bionicRod Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2006 at 11:43 am
    Disney is an evil money grubbing huge corporation, but I do love some of their movies. Nothing wrong with what they did here, the big crime is the shameless whoring out of their own movies...Bambi 2? He grew up in the end of the first one for cryin` out loud! AAARRRGH! Okay I`ll chill out now lol.
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    2an2makes5 Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 12:00 pm
    lol yeh, some disney films rock
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    mintyboy3000 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 12:07 pm
    Heheh cheapskates...!
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    hamster-gal Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 1:02 pm
    DONT SKIT BAMBI 2 i luv bambi lol n yea so what if its the same. but now i hav 2 listen 2 unda da sea n cant w8 2 b king
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    hamster-gal Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 1:03 pm
    ok lestened 2 the strts n there not ezatly the same but they are similar
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    Jats Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 1:04 pm
    Neat
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    tambourine33 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:28 pm
    Have they ever re-used the pink elephants bit from Dumbo?
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    STARTSOMETIN Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:46 pm
    english version

    http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr?tt=url...

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    Trizz Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 2:48 pm
    wierd :S
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    Angelicsnnr Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 3:15 pm
    some of these make sence, other are from the same damn movie the color was restored thats it
  37. Profile photo of LPAkira
    LPAkira Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 3:20 pm
    Hand drawn animation takes ages, I see no fault in using templates for shots.
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    Forseti Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 4:00 pm
    On 4/27/2006 3:15:43 PM Angelicsnnr wrote: some of these make sence, other are from the same damn movie the color was restored thats itUmm, no, backgrounds and time of day are different.

    And looking at the people on this thread, you`d think "self-plagiarism" wasn`t even a real term, which it is, and which is exemplified by *some* of the examples on the website.

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    Cindy_ Female 30-39
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    April 27, 2006 at 4:08 pm

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    MidniteWalkr Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 5:08 pm
    "SELF-PLAGIARISM

    When plagiarism is conceptualized as theft, the notion of self-plagiarism may seem impossible. After all, one might ask: Is it possible to steal from oneself? As Hexam (1999) points out, it is possible to steal from oneself as when one engages in embezzlement or insurance fraud. In writing, self-plagiarism occurs when authors reuse their own previously written work or data in a ‘new’ written product without letting the reader know that this material has appeared elsewhere. According to Hexam, “… the essence of self-plagiarism is the author attempts to deceive the reader”. " - http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~roigm/plagiar...
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    Interesting? Yes. Self-plagiarism? Yeah, guess so. Understandable self-plagiarism? Yes. So does it really matter? No.

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    yuly Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 5:22 pm
    wow
    is like fred flinstone runing in front of the same house over and over
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    yuly Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 5:22 pm
    and over and over and over and over again
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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 6:04 pm
    "its the same thing with some of disney music...listen to the beginning of under the sea and i just can`t wait to be king...
    noticed that teh other day!"

    Looking at the sheet music (as I`ve played both songs) They are completely different notes...

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    sk8punk770 Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 6:05 pm
    thanks for the link STARTSOMETIN, that helped...
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    natakalt Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 6:10 pm
    Íåëèøíå îáðàòèòü âíèìàíèå, ÷òî, íåñìîòðÿ íà ïîëíóþ oh sorry, wrong lenguage :P

    I haven`t noticed that about disney movies

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    TheFormat Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 6:35 pm
    i think that reading that page translated into English was more entertaining than the pictures.

    "Want more examples of cloning? There is no problem!"

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    joolia Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 7:51 pm
    what`s wrong with editing something a little bit instead of redrawing the whole thing over again?
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    dramastace Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 7:58 pm
    Cindy: Regardless of whether or not there`s such a thing, it`s still really not appropriate to be rude to other members. She wasn`t suggesting that you had done the same thing, merely stating an opinion, and didn`t really deserve a derogatory comment.

    While yes, I absolutely did see that you were using it as an example and not condoning it, in the end, it`s really you that looks ignorant for treating others as if they were unintelligent.

    As for the under the sea/I can`t wait to be king person... I had to go "doo doo doo duh duh doo doo da da" in my head before I figured out they sound similar, but not the same. One was written by Elton John anyway, and the other wasn`t. That made me smile though.

    As for the link... I think some of them are being lazy, but others might be tributes, like the Winnie the Pooh ones. Who knows though.

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    Megan3445 Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 8:36 pm
    that`s pretty interesting
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    Lorah Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 9:17 pm
    I do find that all the Disney Princeses look very simuler
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    Jimbo1027 Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2006 at 10:21 pm
    guys if you want to TRANSLATE THE WEB PAGE GO TO http://babel.altavista.com/babelfish/tr AND ENTER THE URL CHOOSE RUSSIAN TO ENGLISH DON`T TRY GOOGLE CAUSE GOOGLE DOESN`T HAVE RUSSAIN TO ENGLISH ON BABEL FISH DOES
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    gregor_samsa Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2006 at 10:45 pm
    That`s bizarre, man!
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 12:59 am
    -guys if you want to TRANSLATE THE WEB PAGE GO TO http://babel.altavista.com/babelfish/tr AND ENTER THE URL CHOOSE RUSSIAN TO ENGLISH DON`T TRY GOOGLE CAUSE GOOGLE DOESN`T HAVE RUSSAIN TO ENGLISH ON BABEL FISH DOES-

    guy, somebody ALREADY POSTED THIS ON THE PAGE BEFORE THIS ONE.

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    Qallupilluq Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 1:17 am
    I noticed a similar scene in 101 Dalmations and The Aristocats. Can`t remember exactly where, but I noticed it a long time ago and it bugs the hell out of me.
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    melancholy87 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:18 pm
    hmmmmmmm
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    Banyan Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 11:10 am
    Whoever noticed that has WAY too much time on their hands.
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    Jake-BackMT Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 8:40 pm
    that`s cool. the jungle book/ pooh stuff is really interesting
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    ajr2006 Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2006 at 12:46 am
    Thus, are to the left located personnel from the "sword into kamne"(y9`e), and to the right - from "the books of dzhungley"(y9`").
    Oh, yeah. That helps alot, starsometin.
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    Nico_86 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2006 at 5:09 am
    It`s not being lazy, it`s being efficient and smart.

    And as for the whole "whether it`s ok to use your own previous works in later essays" subject that went on between CINDY and JEN: It IS allowed to reuse your own work in your papers so long as you properly cite it. And as for RE-submitting papers, it all depends on the criteria--for example, it is perfectly acceptable to submit very old essays when applying to a department (though some people may specify against this).

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    unintrasting Female 18-29
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    May 16, 2006 at 10:24 am
    I was able to see it when its in the movie itself, but when it came to comparing different movies I never thought of.
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    Jcheats Male 13-17
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    May 20, 2006 at 4:47 am
    Tru` dat man all they gotta do is redraw a little, it saves alot so lets just ignoreit.;-/

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