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    buddy Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 1:05 am
    Link: Bananas Mean God Exists - I must admit, they are pretty convenient for us humans.
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    Osprey39 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:35 am
    What a moron.
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    ozkr Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:35 am
    A banana is the atheist`s worst nightmare? Atheists are Christians worst nightmare! A banana is not evidence of the existence or inexistence of a God. Nothing is.
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:42 am
    An atheist isn`t so scary for anybody, really.
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    Fermented Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:46 am
    Well, I was thinking throughout the whole thing; can`t EVOLUTION explain this as well?

    If there is a God, I really doubt God made bananas so that they can be more convenient for us humans.

    Evolution seems to agree with this "convenience". Fruits were developed as a manner of transporting seeds (which some plants use). The earlier plants that began doing this were most likely using a sort of nut like encasing (birds crack these nuts open easily with their beaks). Later, as animals evolved, mammals came about, and some plants evolved a softer shell (like in the fruit we eat today). Through evolution in a sort of hit-and-miss mutation, combination, plants began to find their niches with certain species. What kind of mammal do you think the Banana bearing tree would have clicked with? Our ancestors, the primates.

    I have no disrespect for any sort of other religion at all (in fact, I respect other`s religion greatly), but, this is what I believe.

    -Fermented


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    DaSniper88 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:46 am
    Yeah..............bananas are shaped like that cause they grow in bunches and all fit nicely next each other, and some fruits have spikes and thorns guess god doesnt want us to eat those. I dont know how any modern society can belive in a magical being who created everything, havent we at all advanced as a species, all our acomplishments are worth nothing if we still can attribute them to "god," if you actualy study history and look at human nature you can see why we would have a need for a god and how they come and go, religion causes nothing but confilict and death, just beacuse we cant explain something doesnt mean god did it, we still have alot to learn about the universe.
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:54 am
    Of course! I forgot we aren`t supposed to eat any fruit besides bananas.
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    Aphecks Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:55 am
    "Also when they are duct taped and lubed they fit conveniently into places such as your..."

    I could not contain myself after 0:54. I`m laughing right now... Ahh good stuff.

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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:03 am
    Did you know communist ideals, which is secular, has caused 60 million deaths through Stalin and Mao alone? Between religion and communism, I know which I`d prefer.

    Just throwing some truth in the hype.

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    DaSniper88 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:13 am
    What about facism, imperialism.... ect. I dont see how that proves anything lots of people have died from lots of causes and we have moved beyond most of them, China is the last country with any weight in the world and it is moving away from communism. And our only choices are religion and communism? cold war is over btw. And logic and reasoning is hype while believing something that has no evidence or credability isnt?
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    Deman Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:20 am
    Lol SpoonFork, your arguement is silly. Not all atheists are communists and not all communists are atheists.
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:26 am
    But they are all secular.
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:31 am
    The logic being that if we`re going to take the worst of religious thought and religious people and wars to prove the evils of religion, then why not apply that to secularist ideals?
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    DaSniper88 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:34 am
    sec•u•lar Pronunciation Key (sky-lr) adj.
    1. Worldly rather than spiritual.
    2. Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body: secular music.
    3. Relating to or advocating secularism.
    4. Not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a religious order.

    sec•u•lar•ism noun
    1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
    2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education

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    Osprey39 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:42 am
    SpoonFork, your sense of causality is all screwed up. If you`re going to make the argument that secularism causes wars or can cause wars for that matter, then you have to give examples where secularism was the actual cause and not a circumstance. Stalin and Mao did not kill millions of people because they were atheists; they did it for their own political agenda.

    And also, what does that have to do with this link?

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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:43 am
    Apply that same logic to religious people. Agendas.
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    cheeseboy Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:43 am
    coincidence? i think so!
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:47 am
    yeah but the religious guys use that religion as an excuse.
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:52 am
    Key words being "use" and "excuse"

    Bush is killing in the name of Democracy. So Democracy must go.

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    Spazmoto Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:56 am
    What an utterly retarded argument. Ever consider, just perhaps, that we open and hold a banana that way because we`re (semi) intelligent beings?

    Are we the only thing that eats bananas? Bugs and bats and dogs and raccoons will all eat bananas too ya know, but I guess the banana was "designed" just for humans to eat.

    My worst nightmare? Morons like this and the people who believe what they say.

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    ohgoodness Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:57 am
    "God" didn`t design Bananas specifically for humans. If he did, why didn`t he put them everywhere humans are instead of just in tropical places where arguably there is less a population of humans?

    Besides, he doesn`t even exist anyways. :P

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    kneph Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:58 am
    o_o.....
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    kneph Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:59 am
    I love it how the guy is just sitting there nodding and smiling, probably thinking about how much of a crack job that other guy is
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    smcnic10 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:59 am
    Bananas were made just for us, just like everything else in the world. Arrogance and egocentrism.

    And come on now, bananas? I`ve seen some silly creationist arguments, but those boys are reeeeaaaalllly reachin`.

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    DaSniper88 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:01 am
    I didnt say religion kills people so it must go, I said religion has no basis, proof, and is against logic and common sense and we havent learnt from our past mistakes. Bush led a pre-emptive strike to protect usa and now its changed to being for helping the iraqis, whatever the reason hes not killing for democracy. Im Atheist and if I kill a man who is about to murder my family, im not killing for Atheism, im killing to save them, nothing to do with religon. Your logic has more holes than swiss cheese.
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    kneph Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:07 am
    I love it how the guy is just sitting there nodding and smiling, probably thinking about how much of a crack job that other guy is
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    gambit37 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:16 am
    Ah Kirk Cameron, another washed up child actor trying to get back into the limelight.
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    DragonSageX Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:13 am
    Okay, I signed up at this place just to ask a question; This guy says "Notice, it has a point at the top for ease of entry". Now, I`m sorry, but where is this guy going to put that banana that it has to have "ease of entry"? Yeah, he says it`s the perfect shape for the human mouth...but come on, you know I know what he`s thinking ;-)...technically he could be describing a penis ;-) and with that, I`ll probably be banned from the site forever. It was a fun 5 minutes guys. Latez.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:31 am
    Religion has cased the death of more people than any other "group." Heres an example just off the top of my head, the Holocaust? Hitler not only SAID it was for god, but had the catholic church`s (the pope himself at the time) full blessing.
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    notapervert Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:36 am
    w00t!! an argument caused by bananas !
    If bananas are causing us to argue, and god made bananas, and god exist, THEN HE MUST BE EVIL !! lolz just joking
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    wolfio Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:55 am
    conincedence?? I THINK NOT!!

    its soo true bananas are fudgecing ace and fit in ya hand very well! i know this becuase i was once a banana and i met god wen he was makin me!

    oh and if u didnt get it that was a piss take on all u people hu claim they know everything and anything bout every subject there is...ur people disapoint me!

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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:16 am
    SpoonFork.....religion has been the death of the most humans, period.
    if not counting natural disasters and diseases.

    ps, religion has existed loooong before recorded time. communism has only been around lately, and it isnt growing so much right now. but religion is.

    religion is poison.

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    Ragin2340 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:25 am
    i just cant think of that as a banana after the other submission tiday.
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    Wubba D Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 8:33 am
    SpoonFork is misguided, DaSniper 88 is spot on. Also, if this `god` fellow is sooo awesome, then why did he put bananas way up in the trees of a limited area, instead of chest height all around the globe. God is either non-existent, or too stupid to worry about anyway.
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    doZer_roZZ Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:06 am
    "Ah Kirk Cameron, another washed up child actor trying to get back into the limelight."-gambit37

    Well actually if he was trying to "get back into the limelight" he would be doing a bigger show than his religion show that comes on at like midnight. I love his show actually. He is trying to share the good word is all. Now this banana thing Im not exactly into I think its kind of a silly reasoning but whatever...

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    Rich_in_VA Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:26 am
    News flash! This isn`t meant to be taken seriously! It`s something called levity!!
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:26 am
    Evolution *does* explain this phenomenon, if one would call it that. Personally I feel it`s a coincidence of nature. Lots of animals eat bananas that don`t hold the banana as we do as a prerequisite to eating it.

    Ajikan, is that to say you consider old age a disease or natural disaster? I`m willing to bet more people in world history have died of old age more than of anything else.

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    radar2434 Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:27 am
    has any noticed that spoon fork has stopped posting sine he started loosing the argue ment
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    radar2434 Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:28 am
    since even not sine
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    MrEman Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:32 am
    wow some of you appear to be taking this a bit too seriously. side note - i used to be an atheist but with undeniable proof such as this i have seen the error of my ways. no way can this be coincidence as some of you have claimed... praise the lord. amen.
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    deaf_woman Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:38 am
    un-freaking-believable!
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    phroedoux Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:57 am
    "If there is a God, I really doubt God made bananas so that they can be more convenient for us humans."
    No no, see, God made bananas convenient for monkeys, which later BECAME humans.
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    Fermented Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 10:25 am
    ^I really hope you are kidding^

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    Xerasia Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 10:33 am
    uh, no, this doesn`t prove god exists. it proves MORONS exist.
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    hatemelater Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 10:38 am
    Excuse me, I must have forgotten that bashing Christians is the "cool" thing these days.

    Seriously, people. Being a Christian and being religious are two completely different subjects. Most agnostics are oblivious to that.

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    ryan14 Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 10:49 am
    i can use that in my RE lesson, my teacher thinks he knows it all
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    moogle_bob Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 11:32 am
    religion isnt poison. its the interpretations of it that cause problems. for example, could anyone really say that buddhism is poison? and jesus goes on about `love thy neighbour` which basically means everybody. who cares if some religous guy goes on a late-night show and uses a banana as an example of god`s existance? the banana is also an example of evolution. it jsut depends on what u believe. even if u do believe in god, u mit well think the man is talking rubbish.
    anyway, its meant to be lighthearted fun.
    and my r.e. teacher thinks he knows everything as well, ryan14. if u want soemthing good to use in ur r.e. lesson, look up `the flying spaghetti monster`. its classic stuff :p
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 11:35 am
    -Excuse me, I must have forgotten that bashing Christians is the "cool" thing these days.

    Seriously, people. Being a Christian and being religious are two completely different subjects. Most agnostics are oblivious to that.-

    Agnostics don`t have a definate side as far as religion goes. I think you mean atheist. And no, it`s not the `cool thing to do` but most atheists in america are only exposed to catholicism when they decide it`s not logical (I`m not trying to say that`s wrong, but it`s true) AND its always catholics/christians that try and f*ck with them for being atheist. So it comes as a habit to only mess with that religion.

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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 11:35 am
    And isn`t being a christian without being religious kind of...wasting your time?
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    Yaos Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 11:54 am
    He is correct, it was inteligently designed. Humans bred this type of banana for sale. They can not reproduce without the help of people.
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    timak Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 1:05 pm
    I am not naive enough to be religious. All arguments from religious people in defense of their religion is just as ridiculous as this guy in the video.

    I really have no problem with religion and religious people as long as they leave me alone about it. But when they start intruding on my life in any way or try to push religion on me I get annoyed and sometimes hostile.

    They have an invisible being that sees all and knows all that they talk to all the time, and base their entire lives on trying to please this being... sounds more like something they should be talking to a psychologist about and possibly taking medication to prevent...

    Religion started as a way to keep people in check by telling them you get punished after you die for doing bad things, and you get rewarded after you die for doing good things… So in a way religion can be a good thing for the masses of people that buy into it. But stay out of my face with it.

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    childofbodom Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 1:06 pm
    I KNEW IT
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    MrBrightside Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 1:37 pm
    Yep, proves God exists alright. If you live in a country that is able to grow bannanas in it`s climate. Then they`re not so convenient. And God won`t exist.
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    YouPlonker Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:12 pm
    What an idiot.
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    d_russello Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:14 pm
    This has completely pissed me off. I really love bananas, so I would appreciate it if you could find another fruit or vegatable to start a religious/political debate about. When i cut up a fresh banana and put it in a nice bowl of cereal or mix it in with some yogurt I do not want to be thinking about this conversation :)

    Besides I think you have all missed the point, bananas taste good so who cares why or where they came from. They are here for us to eat and thats all that matters :P

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    hatemelater Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:26 pm
    True, B-Hazard, there there is a difference between agnosticism and athiesm. Athiests just don`t believe, but agnostics are searching for the truth.

    No, it`s not wasting your time to be a Christian without being religious. I`m a Christian, but I don`t affiliate myself with any denomination or go to church. I believe what I do out of free will. I don`t like everything that goes on in church. I don`t agree with their interpretations. Therefore, I don`t fit in with any one religion.

    For starters, I don`t celebrate Easter. Most Christians do. I`m not a big fan of Christmas either. I do agree that RELIGION is bad for people. Being too religious often makes one lose sight of what they are going after in the first place.

    I`m proud to claim to be a Christian, but I wouldn`t want to be lumped with the ignorant "prayer warriors."

    I make fun of them just as much as the next guy.

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    heartagram86 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:42 pm
    Religion is over discussed. Just because we are advanced doesn`t mean there is no God. If people want to believe a dandilion they picked last week is God drating let them. Stop shoving your opinions down other peoples throats and let people choose for themselves whether they think God is real or not. Don`t sway their dammed positions.
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    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    April 28, 2006 at 2:58 pm
    Don`t you just love these 17-year-olds who think they`ve got the world all figured out?

    Don`t you just love their arrogance?

    Listen, children: when you lose a parent, when you lose a child, when a friend commits suicide, when the unexplainable happens, when you wake up one morning, dead to everything other than your own reflection--this is the kind of thing that leads to faith.

    Faith has NOTHING to do with religion. It has everything to do with doctrine.

    Grow up. When you`ve had a few years experience under your belt, then maybe you can decide that you don`t believe in God. Right now, you`re just an adolescent who needs some attention.

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    palm Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:04 pm
    HEY KIRK CAMERON, MY JUNK HAS 5 Ridges and is shaped for ease of entry into your human mouth. Religion makes you stupid and close minded, and leads to war.
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    satenya101 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:11 pm
    Well.. I really cant be bothered to look through everyone little pieces of arguement on this whole arguement... but.. I really dont think that bananananananananas were made for humans... Im not religious.. at all... And.. I dont believe there is a god.. so.. Ya kno! :-) But.. realli thou... Bananas... evidence of God? What a load of rubbish! sowwi to all those who believe it... but.. seriously.. peas.. they are NOT ideal for the human hand... `oooh! we`re not ment to EAT those` APPLES! Nope! Cant eat them either.. havent got that ideal groove... ummm... CARROTS! thats getting close... but... No... We must LIVE on Banananananas... I DONT think so! That is like eating HUMANS! (Bananas have nearly the same chromosome number or something as humans... i dunno.. i kno something is close anyway.. just wanted to throw it in..) So anyway... all of you religious crazay ppl (im not saying relgious ppl are crazy... not all of them) i realli dont think that banananas were created and adapted by god
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    satenya101 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:11 pm
    BTW : I know that i made bananas realli long.. it was on purpose.. :-D I couldn`t be btoherd to type it right.. and i know i cant spell.... :-D

    **rant over**

    Satenya.

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    tacuvo Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:14 pm
    ha,ha, god.
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    tacuvo Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:16 pm
    well, if you handle the tip of my banana, this one WILL, spray you in the face.
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:25 pm
    "religion has been the death of the most humans"

    Communism has. 60 million through Stalin and Mao alone. Communist regimes. Secular ideoligists.

    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART...


    And if anybody wants to pull out of theis ass again how these people just used communism to gain power, be sure to apply that logic to people who use religion, and you`ll still not find one religious cause that resulted in nearly as much death.

    I`ve heard of religious intolerance, but secular intolerance is a lot worse by far.

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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:45 pm
    If the wonderfully perfect banana is proof of God`s existence, then what about cancer? Wasps? Ulcers? Idiots? Serial-killers?
    Sorry pal, your effing banana doesn`t make up for all of that.
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    Trizz Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 3:46 pm
    i knew that <_<
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:01 pm
    As far as I`M concerned, there`s no question as to the existance of God....

    But I sure as hell wouldn`t use a banana to argue my convictions.

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    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:07 pm
    How do people get into their heads that God doesn`t exist?

    Atheism is the height of arrogance. How can someone actually believe that the world exists just for them? Sad, really.

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    satenya101 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:18 pm
    And... How do people get into their heads that Relgion is right, and everyone must be religious, and anyone who isn`t relgious is WRONG and should be damned down to hell... THAT is sad. Again: Im not relgious. I never will be relgious. I dont believe in god, and no-one will ever MAKE me believe in god.
    Obviously this isn`t about me personally.. but.. Still... Atheisism is a sign of DIFFERENT THINKING not arrogance... thinking that it is arrogance is arrogance in itself. Just because YOU are religious... doesn`t mean everyone else has to be.

    The End.

    Satenya.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:35 pm
    bigoldjeffry you are the arrogant and ignorant one. Atheism simply dosnt acknowlage "God". Atheists dont belive the world exists just for us. We just think that we evolved through a series of events.
    Big bang, formations of planets, life and evolution. I dont think any atheist thinks what your inferring. We just happened and we are not the end.
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    Nezaru Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:44 pm
    Alright, first of all, this was meant to be lighthearted.

    Second of all, I`m so freaking sick of people bashing Christians.
    There`s no reason to only bash Christians.
    NONE.
    I can GUARENTEE none of you atheists have ever been discriminated against.
    You`re just a bunch of bigots.

    Third, Christianity is against religiousness, and for spiritualaity. Church is for learning and worshipping, not complicated man made rituals.
    And for the guy who calls him self a Christian but says he doesn`t go to church or celebrate easter or anything, you`re worse then the little kids whining about discrimination that never happened.
    Being a lukewarm Christian like that gives nothing except showing that you`re afraid to believe in something.

    If you believe in something, believe in it.
    Don`t be afraid to believe in it.
    Don`t be afraid of what others will say.
    Coexist with one another.
    Don`t judge.

    No. This wasn`t done in hate.
    I`m just hoping to speak some sense.

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    Nezaru Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:47 pm
    And I hate spelling bananas. I always put too many "na"s in it.

    Bananana? That`s not right...

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    satenya101 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:50 pm
    I wouldn`t say im an atheist... but.. im not religous... im just someone most people would wanna burn.. bc i wouldn`t say what i believe in is religious.. more... spirtual. AND... Christians have bashed my believes SOOOOOOO many times before.. I have NO problem with christians... NONE what so ever.. one of my best friends is a christian... But.. christians who proclaim that they are right, and everything else that anyone else wants to believe is wrong... is annoying... That is my only issue.

    Satenya.

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    rcaleyb Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 4:59 pm
    Oh come on guys, lighten up. This is supposed to be FUNNY. Well, okay, that guy didn`t make it to be funny, but that`s why it`s here. Did anyone notice that he says bananas are ... "just the right shape for the human mouth"? Yeah. Just laugh, and forget the whole religion argument. I`m a Christian, but I`m not going to rest my faith on some stupid banana. And most logical people wouldn`t, I think most of us can agree on that.

    Just the right shape for the human mouth. COME ONNNN. LAUUUGH.

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    DragonCake Female 13-17
    403 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 5:03 pm
    so animals shouldn`t eat them? the other guy is sitting there nodding, how can people eat this up? lol i love this, its going in my favorites. what if God designed bananas for monkies, i mean, they have hands and mouths too.
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    waltos Male 18-29
    98 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 5:12 pm
    Okay everyone, let`s all stop having a go at each other, join up, then start having a go at creationists. That`s what this argument was about. The atheists were inspecific, and the christians mistakenly took it as an insult towards them. Sure, if you believe in the creationist movement, complain, but how many people do anymore? The Big Bang theory is almost proved now, and evolution has been proved. I have nothing against those with a religion, even though I myself can`t believe, but what annoys me (and many christians I know) are the people who have taken the creation of everything by God too seriously. So that`s the end of my rant, and that was at the people who have posted here, not the video. Now lighten up and laugh at the goddam bananas.
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    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 5:25 pm
    Atheism = absolute faith in Empircal senses

    Empirical senses = from the self

    Thus, Atheism = arrogant worship of self.

    Deal, friends. That`s logic.

    What`s wrong with Creationism? Can`t I believe that God divinely moved evolution with His hand?

    Can you prove that belief wrong?

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    Mandolin_ Female 18-29
    32 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 5:35 pm
    Obviously people haven`t being exposed to the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion yet.

    It essentially points out that to ridicule religion in favour of another is silly.

    If you ridicule Christianity in favour of Atheism, that`s silly. If you ridicule Atheism in favour of Taoism, that`s silly.

    Let people believe what the want. Your logic may not coincide with other`s logic. There is one universal truth, however, and that is that each person needs to believe in something (be in in God, a higher divinity, or themselves) in order to satiate the gap in their life that can only be filled with faith in what they believe.

    With that said and out of the way, hahaha. Bananas.

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    satenya101 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:42 pm
    "Atheism = absolute faith in Empircal senses

    Empirical senses = from the self

    Thus, Atheism = arrogant worship of self."

    WHAT!?!?!?!? What the hell u going on about now?
    Just because your a christian weirdo.. who doesn`t understand atheism... just figure out.. that christian isnt the ONLY religion or belief in this entire world okay? Atheists just dont believe in god... so.. get over it.. u weirdo.

    **not syaing all christians are weirdos... as i said b4.. i like most christians.. just not the odd ones** :-)

    P.S. Im not an atheist. :-)

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    smcnic10 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:44 pm
    bigoldjeffry: "Deal,friends. That`s logic."

    No, that`s a big steaming pile of manure. Atheism is nothing more than a disbelief in the existence of a God or gods. It isn`t an "absolute faith" in or "worship" of self. You`re assuming that all atheists subscribe to some sort of empirical worldview, when one has very little to do with the other. While scientific method and findings may lead someone into atheism, and many athiests base their disbelief on science, that doesn`t make the two concepts irrevocably linked.

    Also, I don`t think many here have a problem with the idea of Creationism as you`re putting it, theistic evolution and whatnot. It`s more the funtamentalists that claim the Earth is 6000 years old and every "kind" was created out of thin air and put here for the pleasure of humans that get under my skin.

  81. Profile photo of Enohead
    Enohead Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2006 at 5:49 pm
    bigoldjeffry, you can believe whatever you want. I would not ridicule your belief in God. I respect your beliefs completely. I personally don`t believe in Creationism. I consider myself a humanist - I strive to be a moral person without the promise of reward, or the threat of punishment, in an afterlife. I prefer to make the most of the existence that I know is true (life on earth). You can have virtue without religion.
    That`s not to say that I think people who believe in God are wrong. As long as people don`t do crappy things to each other in the name of God, I`m all for religion. I just don`t believe in a Creator.
  82. Profile photo of S2S2
    S2S2 Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:11 pm
    "Banana and the hand are made perfectly one for the other"
    "notice how it has a point at the top for ease of entry"
    "Just the right shape for the human mouth"
    HOW CAN YOU ALL SIT THERE AND TALK ABOUT IT SERIOUSLY??? I mean really!
  83. Profile photo of S2S2
    S2S2 Female 13-17
    50 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 6:17 pm
    You all sit there saying "you`re stupid!" "no you`re stupid!" "I hate you!" "Oh yeah? well i hate God!!!"

    dude. its a fu.ckin banana. like a fruit. so you are all getting all worked up over a banana. You are all about to say "NO! i`m getting worked up about what that one chick/dude said!!!" and the only reason that chick/dude said it is because of a video...of 2 guys...with their bananas...


    seriously, this makes me loose faith in the human race...

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    upendy Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:21 pm
    i don`t like bananas, theyre gross anyway.
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    TokenBabe Female 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:34 pm
    don`t bananas fit the hand of gorillas, too? Last time I checked, primates have opposable thumbs. If anything, this guy is helping Darwin out! Woo hoo!
  86. Profile photo of Aphecks
    Aphecks Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:35 pm
    Smcnic10 hit it right on the head. If you were to find a religion (so to speak) that was worship of self then you would be looking at Satanism, not Atheism.
  87. Profile photo of Kodak
    Kodak Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:40 pm
    Atheism = absolute faith in Empircal senses

    Empirical senses = from the self

    Thus, Atheism = arrogant worship of self.

    Deal, friends. That`s logic.

    What`s wrong with Creationism? Can`t I believe that God divinely moved evolution with His hand?

    OK nobody said you can`t believe that but the Atheism thing is BS, I don`t believe in god, but i don`t worship myself I just don`t believe that one guy created everything you see around you, especially when theres enough scientific evidence to prove you wrong but you can beleive what you want to but try and push your views on others just like how i`m not going to try and push my views on you...just had to get my voice out....

    haha kirk Cameron and i thought we never see you ever again...lol...|-X

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    inkybod Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:41 pm
    There is no one right way to live. Click here to find the truth.
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    AVDPhoenix Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:43 pm
    So we`re supoused to eat only bananas???? Or then how would you explain other stuff we eat and that has no similarity of fit with the Human hands and mouth! Like Pineaples or watermelons! This guy is a morron! and all the fanatic christians are annoying morrons!
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    PixieGal06 Female 18-29
    54 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 6:53 pm
    Wow...u all are so ignorant...trust me in the future,soon or a lil later,all of you will have ur answers about God.Take my word for that ;)
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2006 at 6:56 pm
    ^^ That`s right. When we die, we will all have our (ur?) answers about God. But YOU don`t know what that is for a fact, and neither does anyone else.
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    inkybod Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:04 pm
    I think that people tend to argue about this stuff because they confuse "knowledge" with "belief." Knowledge requires proof. I can say that I believe that the sun will be green tomorrow -- I can`t say that I know the sun will be green. Though it would be cool.
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    Taurus01979 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:29 pm
    Bananas = proof we are descended from apes that ate them first and fit their hands just the same! Hahahaha!

    After watching this video...
    * I can no longer go into our kitchen, the nightmares might get me
    * I must have missed the memo that fruit was supposed to trouble us
    * Nothing else fits my hand, I`ll starve!
    * Thanks to creepy innuendo, now I`ll think even weirder of bananas now


    bigoldjeffry:
    "Atheism is the height of arrogance. How can someone actually believe that the world exists just for them? Sad, really."

    Actually I would take that as more of a Christian`s belief...deity made the world for you, being the top creature it created in it`s own image and all...self-centered arrogant beliefs if you ask me!

    WE on the other hand look more at the fact that we happen to be here by some means and are not necessarily the highest beings here and have to share this planet!

  94. Profile photo of Salkraps
    Salkraps Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:34 pm
    Heres how i see it:

    If you want someone to respect your views,
    respect theirs.
    If you want to voice your opinion, let others voice theirs, don`t get mad at them for having veiws, you do too.

    I respect everyone as long as they do the same.

    It`s nothing to argue about unless you`re just an idiot.

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    iwillpokeu Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:37 pm
    an atheist isint scary unless they have a weapon..then again anyone is scary with a weapon
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    iwillpokeu Female 13-17
    272 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 7:40 pm
    DaSniper88
    Friday, April 28, 2006 4:01:42 AM
    I didnt say religion kills people so it must go, I said religion has no basis, proof, and is against logic and common sense and we havent learnt from our past mistakes. Bush led a pre-emptive strike to protect usa and now its changed to being for helping the iraqis, whatever the reason hes not killing for democracy. Im Atheist and if I kill a man who is about to murder my family, im not killing for Atheism, im killing to save them, nothing to do with religon. Your logic has more holes than swiss cheese.
    All I gott say to that is mm...cheese
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    Almighty77 Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:43 pm
    I think this guy has been pressured to take drugs
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    Lord_Savior Male 18-29
    177 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 7:44 pm
    This comment is for a person that posted awhile back. The most people on average in any war have been killed in holy wars. The most people have been killed in the name of god. BUT NO, not most of the people die because of religion
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    Lord_Savior Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 7:48 pm
    Ajikan, P.S. Religion is not poison. And if everyone saw that youd have more enemies then a Hong Kong phone book had cheese. The reason for religion in the first place was because man had no explanation for why they were here. And they were alone. A god/gods someone higher then them, to guide them, greatly helped them. Example, A religion in the chinese culture (forgot the name) has no god, BUT they do WORSHIP there ancestors as OLDER, WISER, people to GUIDE THEM through life. Sound like anyone you were talking about. GOD!
  100. Profile photo of Maelstrom_x
    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
    1883 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 7:54 pm
    The problem is, there is no fact on how the Earth was created. Religion is based on faith, Evolution is based on a scientific theory that tries to explain the origins of the Earth through currently known scientific facts.

    Faith can be misplaced. You can say "well the Bible says..." but then you have to ask: what if the person who wrote the Bible is wrong? Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all completely different yet stem from fairly similar origins. Christianity is in itself a myriad of different religions. If Christianity is the correct religion, why does everyone disagree?

    As for Evolution, it is a theory that is taught as fact. In reality, there is no "proof" of evolution. It is a theory spawned from scientific knowledge. Who knows? Ten years from now we could find evidence that disproves certain parts of the theory.

  101. Profile photo of Maelstrom_x
    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
    1883 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 7:59 pm
    There are scientific facts that tend to back Christian beliefs as well. Of course, Evolution actually creates more questions than it answers as well. If a small speck of matter and energy exploded, creating the universe and its contents, then where did the speck of matter and energy come from? Another question is, how can Earth have beaten the odds thus far and support life to this day? Billions of years without being struck by a huge asteroid? Another question would be, why is the level of intelligence that humans have so much greater than any other species alive? And most of all, if Evolution is true because it is backed by scientific facts (which don`t actually PROVE evolution, but only says it *may* be possible), then what if I come up with some really lame idea that scientific facts can sound supportive of?

    All in all, just like religion, your belief of how the Earth was made still relies on faith. Creationism remains just as plausible as Evolution

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    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
    706 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 8:24 pm
    Personally, I`m agnostic. I neither believe nor disbelieve in God.
    And no, agnostics are not "searching for the truth"
    I don`t care what that douche said before.
    Everyone in here can argue until their face (or fingers) are blue (and probably will) but OMG shut up. Have your faith (or non faith) and quit trying to prove you`re right. Like whoever said before, we`ll all know when we die so just wait and if you`re right, you can gloat in whatever kind of stupid afterlife we go to.
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    yuly Female 18-29
    670 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 8:31 pm
    poor guy
    hehe
  104. Profile photo of Rammstein221
    Rammstein221 Male 13-17
    407 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 8:37 pm
    "As for Evolution, it is a theory that is taught as fact. In reality, there is no "proof" of evolution. It is a theory spawned from scientific knowledge. Who knows? Ten years from now we could find evidence that disproves certain parts of the theory."

    Have you honestly ever set foot in a science class room? If you have i`d like to kick your teacher in the throat. A theory isn`t some sort of educated guess. A theory is based on real proof and commonly observed facts. There is plenty of proof for evolution and I suggest you talk to someone that could enlighten you on the subject. You seem to know nothing of the theory of evolution, as you mix the theory of the big bang and it up quite well. Life isn`t some fluke of chance, from the beginning of the planet life was inevitable, maybe not as we have it now, but we had the right chemicals it just took some time.
    If you came up with an idea that is so throughly proved (no matter what you think) by scientific facts as

  105. Profile photo of ChickenMan
    ChickenMan Male 13-17
    250 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 8:38 pm
    On 4/28/2006 3:20:09 AM Deman wrote: Lol SpoonFork, your arguement is silly. Not all atheists are communists and not all communists are atheists.

    And not all wars are started by religion.

    The conversation between these two has, so far, nothing to do with atheists...

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    Rammstein221 Male 13-17
    407 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 8:39 pm
    ... I`d shoot my self in the balls then laugh. You ignorant types seem to be the most caught up in creationism. I`m not saying you shouldn`t believe in what you believe in, but don`t try and poo about the other side of the argument unless you know what the hell you`re talking about.
  107. Profile photo of dre5922
    dre5922 Male 18-29
    259 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 8:54 pm
    "Are we the only thing that eats bananas? Bugs and bats and dogs and raccoons will all eat bananas too ya know, but I guess the banana was "designed" just for humans to eat."

    I`ve never seen a dog eat a banana...
    You considering they eat meat and all.

  108. Profile photo of chasetrussel
    chasetrussel Male 13-17
    81 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 9:14 pm
    What`s so religious about a banana? Oh I can think of a lot of nonreligious things the banana represents! Well, I can only think of one, but whatever. Wink! Wink!
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    ShaylaCherry Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2006 at 9:41 pm
    That`s just funny.
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    rosie51391 Female 13-17
    223 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 9:52 pm
    if God wanted to make it even easier for humans why do they prefer jungles and less human inhabited areas? plus i dont like bananas
  111. Profile photo of bionicRod
    bionicRod Male 30-39
    1014 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 10:08 pm
    Sorry, I`m not gonna read all these posts so if someone already said this I`m sorry....It`s guys like this that CREATE aetheists. If God were to come down he`d bitch-slap this dude.
  112. Profile photo of Enohead
    Enohead Male 40-49
    1587 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 10:25 pm
    My intelligent, if somewhat abrasive, friend bigoldjeffry says evolution = theory. Which is true. But why would you choose to believe something that`s less plausible, with less evidence to support it?
    I do not buy the argument that you shouldn`t believe evolution simply because it`s a theory. Because this argument is put forth by people who want you to believe something that has even less evidence to support it than the theory of evolution.
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    FriedEgg Female 40-49
    11 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 10:47 pm
    Jeffry, are the meds working today, or did the moderators tell you to clean up your act? Funny that a few days ago it was all about telling kids what you do to their mothers, and today it`s arguing for religion? Does your God tell you to hunt children? You under-18 folks need to watch out for this guy.
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    FriedEgg Female 40-49
    11 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 10:52 pm
    The biggest fans of bananas I`ve ever seen are butterflies. The wrapping is hell for them. I think they evolved their glorious wings to con us humans into peeling bananas for them.
  115. Profile photo of demontoast
    demontoast Female 18-29
    22 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 11:00 pm
    You know what? I`m not going to argue about religion, but I think this is a little bit egocentric. To assume that, because there are natural items which exist which happen to fit our hands and mouths perfectly, that this means they were designed for us and that it is proof of God...

    Well, in that case, God designed it for monkeys, as opposed to humans. But of course, people also think Jesus was white and that the Bible was written in English. *shrugs*

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    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    April 28, 2006 at 11:00 pm
    Angry yet? :-)
  117. Profile photo of h0ax_d3m0n
    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 11:12 pm
    and so the post wars begin *holy sh*t* :o
  118. Profile photo of h0ax_d3m0n
    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 11:13 pm
    so is that why god created the penis to look like a banana? maybe god is a women after all...
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 11:14 pm
    answer me this tho...if god exists why strike down 3 or 4 kids with lightning while they are praying...he sounds like my kind of guy.
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2006 at 11:17 pm
    oooooo yay yay yay they added wiccan to religions :D
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    FriedEgg Female 40-49
    11 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 11:32 pm
    Hoax, we have a rather large Wiccan church here in the deep South US where I live. The state I live in requires a church to "cover" a child that`s being homeschooled -- you can`t just decide to keep your kid home and educate him right without the blessing of a church -- and the Wiccan church provides cover for anyone who asks. It annoys a lot of people (hehehe)....
  122. Profile photo of brutalnz
    brutalnz Male 30-39
    1386 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 11:32 pm
    If religion is something that alot of people don`t seem to care about, why do so many people get wound up about it and shout until thier voice is heard? (don`t answer, just think)
  123. Profile photo of ImTakingOver
    ImTakingOver Male 18-29
    388 posts
    April 28, 2006 at 11:40 pm
    wat an idiot. god doesnt even exist
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    Fabbyfubz Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:04 am
    Or maybe the banana fits because evolution gave us opposable thumbs.
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:06 am
    wow friedegg id like to see it, plus if i need some cove ri know where to go.
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    Taurus01979 Female 18-29
    52 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 12:12 am
    dre5922:
    "I`ve never seen a dog eat a banana...
    You considering they eat meat and all."

    Ours will eat it, have heard of others that will, and technically they are generally omnivores unlike cats.

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    bdiddy307 Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:16 am
    That made me laugh.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:34 am
    I`d like to add in my two cents on agnosticism, as there seems to be a prevailing misconception about it. I consider myself agnostic, which is to say I don`t believe the existence of God can be proven and that personal knowledge of God is attained solely through faith, or the individual`s belief. No one tells one God exists; it is up to one to decide for themselves.

    Agnosticism is definitely not the search for truth as far as religion is concerned, because agnostics believe the existence of God cannot be proven and that there is no evidence to be thought of as proof.

    Finally, agnostics are different from athiests in that agnostics do not necessarily deny the existence of God, only that his existence is unprovable. Therefore, agnostics can also belong to a religion or have faith, whereas athiests do not. (Although it can be argued that athiests belong to a lack of faith, which can be considered a faith itself.)

  129. Profile photo of palm
    palm Male 30-39
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    April 29, 2006 at 1:34 am
    Just realized I Have an "OM" symbol as my pic, and i was dissing religion, well religion in the conventional sense, not the personal sense, you know...
  130. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 2:03 am
    Why do you people write huge paragraphs about stuff that no one will bother to read? Post your point.
    God exists, atheists suck.
  131. Profile photo of cryndigo
    cryndigo Female 30-39
    143 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 2:05 am
    Yeah. Well. I guess I have to convert now, don`t I?
  132. Profile photo of cannibal151
    cannibal151 Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 2:29 am
    well i dont have to worry about any of this...im agnostic ^.^
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    cannibal151 Male 18-29
    1551 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 2:30 am
    and RyanF701, f*ck ur "GOD"
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 29, 2006 at 2:39 am
    "And not all wars are started by religion.

    The conversation between these two has, so far, nothing to do with atheists..."

    Well, not on my end, at least. I said secularism, not atheism (though an atheism is secular), has caused more death than any religion, but people still single out religious ideals as the most deadly. Facts plainly paint a different reality than the fantasy these people are living in. If somebody`s going to put down religious people for living in a fantasy land and having beliefs based on "lies" and faulty reasoning, they should at least not be guilty of the same faults.

  135. Profile photo of b3ach_bum
    b3ach_bum Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 3:03 am
    Neither creation nor evolution are proven. And although your Biology teacher might think otherwise, they are both technically faiths.

    It comes as no suprise that there is so much debate over creationism or the validity of Darwin`s THEORY. Who`d want to identify themselves as a Christian, when today`s average bible-thumping Joe is an arrogant hypocrite?

    No one wants to hear that they are going to be judged or condemned by God. It`s easier to say "He doesn`t exist." That`s why so many people posted on this topic, with the mentality: "Screw God. He`s not real. I`d rather believe we came from a rock that turned into monkeys that other than a certain President developed into the modern-day human."

    I`ve never heard an atheist convicingly explain to me whether the chicken came before the egg, or vice versa. Yeah you don`t have to believe in God, but that doesn`t mean he`s not real or that He doesn`t believe in you.
    I am not related to a rock.

  136. Profile photo of b3ach_bum
    b3ach_bum Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 3:05 am
    Atheists, on the other hand...
  137. Profile photo of SilGen
    SilGen Male 13-17
    51 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 3:14 am
    Hmm, but say that God meant for the banana to curve AWAY from the face and we`ve been holding it backwards all along?
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    mashimaro_1 Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 6:00 am
    lol, they royal family eats their bananas but cutting them open with a knife and fork
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    squoggle Female 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 8:27 am
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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    EisforPANTS Male 13-17
    615 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 8:41 am
    Let`s all just be tolerant of one another! None of this "God Sucks! Bhudda Blows! Atheism Is Gay!" crap I see here! Everyone is going to believe what they want and there is not much to be done about that.

    A big problems with religions and beliefs today, with my main example being Christianity here, is that religious (or spiritual...whichever you prefer) people are WAY TOO JUDGEMENTAL! Christianity teaches us to love our fellow man, and I`m sure other religions teach that as well!

    Let`s all just hug and make nice or some peace-y crap like that!

  141. Profile photo of knox124
    knox124 Male 13-17
    23 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 8:46 am
    AHHH THE BANANA!!!!..oh wait just a dream...
    seriously though what tool were in the world could he have come up with something as stupid as that? banana`s mean god exist`s? bullpoo id rather take mt chance`s believing in the story book that was found in urns....
  142. Profile photo of Ongooshk
    Ongooshk Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 9:00 am
    The guy sitting next to him looked like he wanted to piss his pants laughing.
  143. Profile photo of FLIPZ
    FLIPZ Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 9:19 am
    Man, hell with this Banana and Atheism BS. Nothing fits in your hand like placenta on a stick, can anyone direct me to a religion that supports that?
  144. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:14 am
    Ok then b3ach_bum, humor me. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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    metter Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:42 am
    duhhh the chegg

    thats a mixture tween both :P

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    teamsonic Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:44 am
    omg that was the dumbest poo i ever did heard.
  147. Profile photo of Enohead
    Enohead Male 40-49
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:46 am
    I just don`t understand how someone can say that evolution doesn`t make sense, but that a Creator does.
    "The universe just didn`t happen on its own. But God did."
    huh...?
  148. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:54 am
    Now, a cucumber you can just wash off and eat. Same with an apple or a pear or carrot and even some squashes. You don`t even have to wash them if you don`t want to! You can stick any of these lovely edibles up your butt as well, but I wouldn`t suggest that unless you`re an old pro--novices should probably start with a carrot or finger (notice its shape!).

    Each of these objects fit nicely in the hand (or butt), are curved like our hand while gripping and each convieniently faces your mouth (or butt) when holding them.

    Therefore, I can clearly conclude that god likes to feed us, and, he likes us to place food in our butts. Logic.

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    17945 Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 11:11 am
    MMMMM....I love bananas!
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    heyzeus9 Female 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 11:23 am
    uuuuum..... did anyone else find that... desturbing. i think he was having a little too much fun with the banana.
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    ProzakJunkie Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 11:56 am
    At one point it sounded like he was describing a penis......
  152. Profile photo of dumbblonde92
    dumbblonde92 Female 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:00 pm
    OK. That was pretty stupid. I mean, I`m sure there are better arguments for religeon than BANANAS.

    Personally, I think there must be some kind of god out there, or at least some kind of force that made the difference between ther being nothing and there being something. If that makes any sense.

    I don`t however, believe in organized religeon because it seems to be based too much on ceremonies and traditions. I think if god wanted me to go to church, he (or she) would have given me a revelation, or something. And if he hated aetheists, he could just smite them.

    The fact that there is no solid proof for god proves to me that he just wants us to believe what we want to believe--bananas or no bananas. There is no proof in arguing science against religeon, because they are two completely different things--although that doesn`t mean you can`t believe in them both.

    Anyway, at the risk of sounding morbid, I`m sure we`ll all find out when we die.

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    sporka Female 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:01 pm
    That was, erm... stupid.

    Did anyone else catch the part about how the bannana and the hand were made for each other? I might just have a dirty mind, but it made me giggle to think what else might be amde to fit right in the hand...

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    dumbblonde92 Female 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:01 pm
    argh! my photo didn`t show up! can you guys see it? maybe it`s just my crappy computer...
  155. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 29, 2006 at 12:27 pm
    ^^sorry, dumbblonde92, it`s a trick the site plays on blondes. You`ll have to dye your hair to get around this treachery. :-)

    either that or go back into your profile and re-load your pic. ;-)

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    bang_ Female 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 1:08 pm
    ^Are you one of those adults that hasn`t psychologically grown up? I mean, the whole "fruit fitting into butt" thing )-|... you`re weird.

    But in relation to this subject, scoffing at someone automatically because they don`t agree with your belief(s) is low.

  157. Profile photo of Ajikan
    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 1:10 pm
    Overmann.

    "Ajikan, is that to say you consider old age a disease or natural disaster? I`m willing to bet more people in world history have died of old age more than of anything else."


    ok, you gott me there...i didnt count old age.
    or maybe a more religius manner of saying it would be, god has been the no1 killer

  158. Profile photo of bang_
    bang_ Female 13-17
    276 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 1:10 pm
    "Respectable religion that has been horribly desecrated by self-righteous hypocrits. Each denomination adds and removes things from the Bible as they see fit."

    ^2nd definition of Christianity in Urban Dictionary. I happen to agree.

  159. Profile photo of Ajikan
    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 1:19 pm
    omg, i red a bitt more of whats going on here, so many are against me on what i think.


    my reply to all =

    bah! i dont have time to wright it all, so ill just walk away, as if i need anyones aproval of my beleaf...one thing, i worship myself and no "god"
    and religus conflicts has been around for as long as there has been humans. so id say there are more blood on the religions hands.
    but ok all religions have not hurt anyone, just as many communist theorys(branches) have not hurt anyone.

  160. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 1:33 pm
    Atheisms `evil`: None

    Religions `evil`: They generated, racism, holy wars which took the lives of children (in the childrens crusade). Used God as justification for slavery, etc.

    Atheists do not all cohere to eachother, despite the fact they believe in NO God, they don`t all believe in eachother, you may it sound like they make a choice and they made a church of atheists. It`s not how it works, view them as seperate from one another, not as a union as in all dogmas. Thanks, have a nice day.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 1:34 pm
    Make it sound*
  162. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2275 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 1:34 pm
    "The last Christian died on the cross."
  163. Profile photo of Kisato
    Kisato Female 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 2:34 pm
    That.. was the dumbest thing ever.... I think he just lowered my IQ...
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    GypsyCassie Female 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 4:50 pm
    Wow Sprinkz, I like that, short and sweet....anyways, bananas? Is that what they have demoted themselves too? I am not particularly religous, but how about some other, beautiful miracle instead of something I can pick up at tops. This seemed to me like a commercial for God, if there is a God, does he really need advertising??
  165. Profile photo of Trucast
    Trucast Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 5:01 pm
    Yuh... and if god had wanted us to fly, he would move the airports close to the cities.
  166. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    April 29, 2006 at 5:02 pm
    "Wright it all?"

    There`s an argument for atheism.

  167. Profile photo of aidious
    aidious Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 5:07 pm
    I think we all know God doesn`t exist.
  168. Profile photo of shizzaster
    shizzaster Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 5:09 pm
    i knew this would start a religion war.
    let me state my opionion. god exists.
    but this retard is just proving evolution. maybe humans were made to adapt to bananas down in the jungles, kind of like how most kids my age use their thumbs more than any other finger, whereas 30 years ago it was all about index fingers. know why? video games.
  169. Profile photo of shizzaster
    shizzaster Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 5:13 pm
    here`s some proof for the arguement of spoon fork which i don`t agree with.
    true communism has yet to be pracisted, the stuff we all saw in russia, china isn`t real communism. communism has no religion. well the orginal version doesn`t have communism. ahhh world history, godamn i never remember the important things, i can tell you when michealangelo was born but not all about communism.
    point being, all true communists don`t have a religion, not atheist, ugh i cant even remember the words for someone with no religion.
  170. Profile photo of EVAN12456
    EVAN12456 Male 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 6:10 pm
    shizzaster i feel EXACTLY as u do
  171. Profile photo of perigee
    perigee Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 6:27 pm
    SpoonFork: "Communism has. 60 million through Stalin and Mao alone. Communist regimes. Secular ideoligists."

    Surely this can be related to the number of people around during the times of holy war and Communism. I`m lead to believe that the Soviet Union had a rather large population, whilst the Inquisition wouldn`t have killed quite as many people simply because there weren`t so many to kill. I am pretty certain, what with the vehemence with which the world was christianised all those years ago, that those meanies would`ve continued killing until there were no more heathens left, had physical practicality allowed for it. Good job it didn`t.

  172. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    April 29, 2006 at 9:12 pm
    You want to read about true communism?

    Try George Orwell`s *The Road to Wigan Pier.* This is a book that will SHOW YOU why people of all creeds & colors reject communism.

  173. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    April 29, 2006 at 9:12 pm
    Foolish talk about the Inquisition.

    Perigee, put down your can of Red Bull, stop updating your MySpace account, and do some reading, son.

  174. Profile photo of shizzaster
    shizzaster Male 13-17
    1866 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 9:54 pm
    yeh i think the Manifesto might also help. lol. the Communist Manifesto of course....
    hm, i doubt they have that book u suggested at any library i know of... i`ll check it out... thanks.
  175. Profile photo of PrKitty
    PrKitty Female 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:05 pm
    wow... that is all i have to say...
  176. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:21 pm
    "Surely this can be related to the number of people around during the times of holy war and Communism. I`m lead to believe that the Soviet Union had a rather large population, whilst the Inquisition wouldn`t have killed quite as many people simply because there weren`t so many to kill. I am pretty certain, what with the vehemence with which the world was christianised all those years ago, that those meanies would`ve continued killing until there were no more heathens left, had physical practicality allowed for it. Good job it didn`t."

    Are you serious?

    If they could have, they would have? And this with no proof? That`s the argument?

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    Rock_On37 Female 13-17
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:33 pm
    "Easy Entry for the mouth =O"
  178. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:48 pm
    The proof is by percentage, do the math...
  179. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:48 pm
    "here`s some proof for the arguement of spoon fork which i don`t agree with.
    true communism has yet to be pracisted, the stuff we all saw in russia, china isn`t real communism."

    Well, then, true religion has never been practiced.

  180. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 29, 2006 at 10:49 pm
    "The proof is by percentage, do the math..."

    And this somehow proves that they would have? So math makes us psychic?

  181. Profile photo of disciple99
    disciple99 Male 13-17
    127 posts
    April 29, 2006 at 11:19 pm
    alright guys...
    im new on this site,although i have gone here before. first of all, i am a christian and i have a few things to say.
    First, mocking people because o religion is wrong. also, this crap about Christianity being even less supported than the evolution theory is completely wrong. Look around you and think. To say that everything on earth, all life and the universe just "happened" is completely illogical. Also, this clip was ment to be humorous, not to insult any one group or spur a religious war. Settle down people, and just have fun. And stop with the perverted references to the banana.
  182. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2006 at 11:44 pm
    disciple99, allow me to be the first to welcome you to IAB and this argument. Now, to your post...

    "First, mocking people because o religion is wrong."

    Tell that to the fundamentalist minister at a local church in my town who said Buddhism was wicked. Mocking people simply because they are different is wrong, but that doesn`t stop most people, including those of faith.

    "To say that everything on earth, all life and the universe just "happened" is completely illogical."

    Kind of throws Creation and spontaeneous generation out the window, doesn`t it? Science has been implying for years that life was a gradual, tedious process.

    "Also, this clip was ment to be humorous..."

    Actually, I`m fairly sure the guy making the argument for the banana believed himself 100%. It`s the fundamentalists such as these that turn secularists off to religion.

  183. Profile photo of disciple99
    disciple99 Male 13-17
    127 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 12:20 am
    Overmann- by saying that everything in the universe just happens in no way throws out creationism or christianity because we believe God designed all these things personally and fit it to work out. can you really look at all things, microscopic and macroscopic, and see how perfectly they align and then say that it all happened by accident; that something exploded and life formed? God had to have worked out these things.

    "Science has been implying for years that life was a gradual, tedious process."

    Sure it has, but that doesn`t justify the belief that everything just turned out perfect so that we can live, with everything we need to survive put out their for us.
    Lastly, the minister that says Buddhism is wicked should be respectful of other people. Just because you disagree with someting someone else believes in, you should not openly condemn them for it; rather, you should work peacefully to discuss your beliefs and come to a common ground where you both respect one a

  184. Profile photo of disciple99
    disciple99 Male 13-17
    127 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 12:25 am
    nother. Also, you shouldn`t make generalizations of a large group due to some peoples` actions. Unfortunately, "lukwarm" christians, or hypocritical ones who preach to love others but then condemn them hurt the message of christianity and influence negative stereotypes.

    (if all this sounds kind of jumbled, its because its late and I can`t think straight after 10:00.)

  185. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 1:26 am
    "by saying that everything in the universe just happens in no way throws out creationism or christianity because we believe God designed all these things personally and fit it to work out."

    Creation implies the spontaneous generation of something from nothing. While the creation process itself can be gradual, ultimately when matter is created, it appears in space (the capacity of room) instantly, whether in completed form or not. So yes, it just "happens". God may have sat upon a workbench for millenia and designed every imaginable (unimaginable, even) aspect of existence, yet when it came into being through creation, it was spontaneous. That`s simply the definition of creationism.

    Note: By that token, humans cannot create anything.

  186. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 1:26 am
    "Science has been implying for years that life was a gradual, tedious process."

    "Sure it has, but that doesn`t justify the belief that everything just turned out perfect so that we can live, with everything we need to survive put out their for us."

    It most certainly is justified when one adopts the view that life is a by-product of the perfect condition of the universe. In short, we are living because the environment was supportive of life. And if the conditions were not perfect, which they may not have been for trillions of years or more before us, we wouldn`t be around to debate it. The rain falls not for the corn; rather, the corn grows in response to the rain.

  187. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2006 at 1:26 am
    When someone says, "I can prove X, Y and Z" and they then produce a set of circumstances that allow for actual repeatable indisputable observations to take place again and again, we can believe the results because we can reproduce the circumstances ourselves, or, we can perform the tests and our results will verify/dispute the original observation. A truth will eventually be reached in this manner.

    When we say things like "...can you really look at all things, microscopic and macroscopic...and say that it all happened by accident..." or "God exists because it says so in the Bible" or "see this banana..." then we are not proving anything. What we are doing is presenting an opinion.

    There`s a significant and real difference. And arguing opinion versus observable, repeatable fact is pure folly. Evolution is not proven, but the age of the Earth is. The existence of dinosaurs is. Argue opinion all you want, be my guest, but don`t try to sell

  188. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2006 at 1:28 am
    ...it as anything but your opinion.
  189. Profile photo of smcnic10
    smcnic10 Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 1:47 am
    "And if the conditions were not perfect, which they may not have been for trillions of years or more before us, we wouldn`t be around to debate it."

    Well said Overmann.

    My mind really boggles when creationism is touted as somehow more "logical" than scientific theories on the origin of life and evolution. Logic and religion are pretty mutually exclusive in my opinion.

  190. Profile photo of LBlues
    LBlues Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 4:14 am
    Dance puppets dance

    Im sorry but reading this nonsense I must say a majority of you are all tools.

  191. Profile photo of burnteffigy
    burnteffigy Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 4:37 am
    Haha, the other day I watched the whole half hour video that this comes from. It was hilarious and full of mind-numbingly bad logic. My favorite part was where Kirk Cameron says that the purpose of windshield wipers is to smear bugs on the windshield.

    It`s apparently an entire series of videos, this one being about converting atheists.

    Here`s a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...

  192. Profile photo of Mo0k
    Mo0k Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 8:06 am
    Please, take this really seriously.
  193. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 12:38 pm
    You guys are idiots. I`m going to tell you all why, creationism is just as intelligent as saying everything was spontaneously created.

    Plus, if God created everything with a perfect design, why is the world so imperfect, why do things go extinct, why do we have platypuses? They have no idea what the f*ck they are.

    Also, don`t even tell me that you think it`s logical for some all powerful being to come into existence...from non-exsistence, some how be able to be everywhere at once, be all powerful, and create the universe, and not expect me to laugh when you call that `logic`. That`s not logical, nor is the big bang, but we know the unvierse began at the size of a singularity and the energy it threw off from it created the universe, or so they think.

    With that said, have a nice day, and drop the fundamentalist christian trash. I would never align myself with you idiots, I`m making my own church.

  194. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 12:38 pm
    universe*
  195. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 12:45 pm
    big jeff wrote -Don`t you just love these 17-year-olds who think they`ve got the world all figured out?

    Don`t you just love their arrogance?

    Listen, children: when you lose a parent, when you lose a child, when a friend commits suicide, when the unexplainable happens, when you wake up one morning, dead to everything other than your own reflection--this is the kind of thing that leads to faith.

    Faith has NOTHING to do with religion. It has everything to do with doctrine.

    Grow up. When you`ve had a few years experience under your belt, then maybe you can decide that you don`t believe in God. Right now, you`re just an adolescent who needs some attention.-

    cheer up, people are allowed to express their own opinions, they dont necessarily think they`ve got the world sussed, so leave off yer?

  196. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 12:47 pm
    oh yer, and on the clip... you really could use that arguement with anything, but theres a similar theory that states that a watch is like the universe, and because the watch has a maker, so must the universe... aka god.. a load of bull really
  197. Profile photo of Goldfishgal
    Goldfishgal Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 12:54 pm
    YOu guys are over reacting........I think this was meant to be funny....
  198. Profile photo of EisforPANTS
    EisforPANTS Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2006 at 1:39 pm
    "Plus, if God created everything with a perfect design, why is the world so imperfect, why do things go extinct, why do we have platypuses?"

    Even though I really don`t want to get involved in this, I`m gunna comment on that.

    The answer is in the book of Genesis. Everything was PERFECT until the first sin was committed. As punishment for this disobedience, God took away the perfection. Everything could now die, childbirth is now painful, etc.

    I admit, this does sound a little weird, but it`s my belief and I`m sticking to it.

    If you don`t believe it, then that`s fine. Believe whatever you want, and don`t let anyone stop you. We are here to set our own paths.

    As much as I would love for everyone to accept Christianity, I know it`s never gonna happen. And I`m ok with that!

    As long as I know for myself that God is my savior, then all is well with me!

  199. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 1:48 pm
    How is living forever perfect? Explain perfection to me, especially considering that you have no idea what true perfection is, since it`s SUBJECTIVE!

    There is no good, there is no EVIL, only faith.

  200. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 2:03 pm
    EisforPants speaks words of wisdom!!
  201. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 2:11 pm
    No he speaks words of subjective nonsensical rubbish.
  202. Profile photo of disciple99
    disciple99 Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2006 at 3:09 pm
    sprinkz, let me clear everything up for you. The world is imperfect because WE MADE IT THAT WAY! There is violence and death in the world BECAUSE OF US! We brought it upon ourselves from the moment we began to sin. CAUSE AND EFFECT! If i steal something and get in trouble, blaming God for my own imperfection is stupid, because it was MY fault. And imperfection is not God`s fault because he gave us free wills. The condition of ourselves and the world depends on how we excercise our God-given free will.
  203. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 3:11 pm
    the only good thing about religion is the guide for life it sets u, i dont mean the whole god pleasing bit, but things like "thou shalt not kill", however humans naturally have these desires, unless mentally ill, so religion isnt realy needed. and u cant not be religious and a christian, check the dictionary, however u dont need to be part of a religion, confusing but hey. oh and i speak as an ex-christian and a 16 year old who has spent many a time researching, discussing and argueing many cases about it, and im still happy to say that god either doesnt exist, or is pure evil, same thing realy
  204. Profile photo of LaChica
    LaChica Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 3:31 pm
    im not a communist!!!!!!!
    im not atheist im agnostic
  205. Profile photo of smcnic10
    smcnic10 Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 3:37 pm
    "The world is imperfect because WE MADE IT THAT WAY! There is violence and death in the world BECAUSE OF US! We brought it upon ourselves from the moment we began to sin."

    I`m curious, and will readily admit to not knowing everything there is to know about the Bible and various religious dogmas. So I figure this is as good a place to ask as any. About the whole perfection before sin issue...is all the imperfection in the world really attributed to a single sin made by humans back at the beginning of time? Or is it more of the "we keep sinning, keeps the imperfection running" variety?

    And jeez, to think of all the natural disasters, death, etc. in the world that has nothing to do with humans. If we`re responsible for that, sorry world. My hamster is likely to die in a year or two, guess he should be pretty pissed at me.

    One more question, are humans the only ones that sin? My dog`s gotten into the garbage a few times, definitely not commendable behavior

  206. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 3:41 pm
    just to say that humans are perfect, there the smartest animal on the earth, they create things, they question things, they live in groups, no other animal has shown signs of doing this, its just that people who believe in god make humans imperfect. so realy atheism is the belief in oneself, not something else.
  207. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 3:44 pm
    and smcnic animals cant sin as in the bible it says they have no souls so cannot "tarnish" (may be the wrong word" their soul, as it doesnt exist. hope that helps
  208. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 3:47 pm
    and on the subject of the video, bananas are ripe when they are green, not yellow, we eat them at the wrong time, just some random knowledge for u
  209. Profile photo of disciple99
    disciple99 Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2006 at 4:33 pm
    smcnic, i`m saying that what happens to people is usually because of cause and effect, not if you sin than a hurrican is going to come and kill people type thing. What i`m saying is that when we sin we must accept the consequences of our actions rather than blaming God for it.

    Natural disasters are just that- disasters. I dont know why God letsthem happen, but trust me, it isn`t just to kill or hurt, because God loves us- no matter how corny that may sound.

  210. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 4:36 pm
    "and on the subject of the video, bananas are ripe when they are green, not yellow, we eat them at the wrong time, just some random knowledge for u"

    nooo u fool!! theyre ripe when they go past the yellow stage lol, when they go all sweet and brown!

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    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 4:53 pm
    then y do the people who grow them, and many animals, eat them when they are green, not yellow?? im not critisising, just asking, but for now i stick by myself in the fact that we eat them over ripe, if u prove me worng ill happily admit it
  212. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 4:56 pm
    i go against my last statement, we were both right, kinda:
    "The familiar yellow banana sold in the U.S. is usually the Cavendish variety. In specialty stores, urban supermarkets, and in Latin neighborhoods, you can sometimes find more exotic varieties that offer different tastes and textures. These include manzano (also called apple or finger bananas), which are finger-size and turn black when ripe; Saba and Brazilian, which are straight, medium-size, and somewhat tart; and red bananas, which are very sweet and turn purplish red as they ripen.

    Plantains (platanos), which look like large, green bananas, are often seen in Latin markets. These starchy fruits are usually cooked and eaten as a vegetable. "

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    Goldfishgal Female 18-29
    426 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 5:48 pm
    EisforPANTS

    You are my hero <3

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    bookaholic22 Female 70 & Over
    111 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 6:23 pm
    They could have done the Shroud of Turin, but noooo, let`s talk about the banana...

    That`s pretty funny.

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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 6:25 pm
    lol^
  216. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2960 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 6:36 pm
    The reality of the issue is, almost every item of proof for creationism and evolutionism can be turnded around to prove/disprove the other.

    "It doesn`t make sense that everything came from nothing"
    can be
    "The god you think exists IS everything and apparently came from nothing"

    both sides are just as il/logical as the other and the truth is no one`s gonna know until they breath their last breath.

    And just out of curiosity...a perfect world would be without sin wouldn`t it? Kinda weird how the world`s supposed to be imperfect now because of a sin that shouldn`t really have been possible in the first place. And if sin was possible, it`s not really a perfect world...

  217. Profile photo of LBlues
    LBlues Male 18-29
    713 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 7:01 pm
    is it me or do both creationism and evolution seem illogical in their own ways, and logical in their own ways.

    Face it evolutionist people, the chances of you changing the mind of a creation believer are slim and none, so you are wasting your time.


    It possible that the human mind cannot comprehend all knowledge. So this all quite futile

  218. Profile photo of Mo0k
    Mo0k Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 7:23 pm
    And then God said, "Let there be much strife amongst the people`s of the time-wasting porthole of IAB." And there was.

    Mo0k 3:16.

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    dragonrice Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2006 at 7:55 pm
    God is fake and he likes poo :-D
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    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
    706 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 8:18 pm
    "No one wants to hear that they are going to be judged or condemned by God. It`s easier to say "He doesn`t exist." That`s why so many people posted on this topic, with the mentality: "Screw God. He`s not real. I`d rather believe we came from a rock that turned into monkeys that other than a certain President developed into the modern-day human."
    I am not related to a rock."

    You don`t want to believe that we`re spawned from rock, but you have NO problem believing that some random all powerful thing just floated out of nowhere, whipped up a universe for no logical reason other than he was floating around in darkness, and that`s why you`re here?
    Ummmmmmm... kay.

  221. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 9:49 pm
    Excuse me, SPrinkZ, but the Big Bang theory actually *is* logical. Look at the various scientific facts pointing to a very large explosion 13.7 billion years ago. The extrapolation in tracing back these steps is very logical and scientific, and the Big Bang theory is completely different from Creationism when you consider that scientists are daring to say there was existence before the Big Bang.
  222. Profile photo of LBlues
    LBlues Male 18-29
    713 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 11:23 pm
    are you kidding me? A random explosion is suchhhhhhhh bullpoo. Let me make up a theory and you can all believe it:

    "There was a twister of cheerios and they fused to make what you see today-believe me-its all evident despite earth being really really old :D)"

    OH AND ITS LOGIKLE!

  223. Profile photo of night_watch
    night_watch Male 18-29
    208 posts
    April 30, 2006 at 11:42 pm
    PRAISE JESUS!!!! NOW I TRULY SEE THE LIGHT!!! IT IS YELLOW!!!!
  224. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2960 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 12:12 am
    -are you kidding me? A random explosion is suchhhhhhhh bullpoo. Let me make up a theory and you can all believe it:

    "There was a twister of cheerios and they fused to make what you see today-believe me-its all evident despite earth being really really old :D)"

    OH AND ITS LOGIKLE!-

    Twister`s are a result of some sort of atmosphere and cheerios wouldn`t exist without people so...no it`s not.

  225. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2960 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 12:13 am
    And assuming you believe in god, what do you think he came from?
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    burnteffigy Female 18-29
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    May 1, 2006 at 12:19 am
    On 4/30/2006 12:54:53 PM Goldfishgal wrote: YOu guys are over reacting........I think this was meant to be funny....
    Sadly, it wasn`t.
  227. Profile photo of smcnic10
    smcnic10 Female 18-29
    46 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 4:55 am
    "And then God said, "Let there be much strife amongst the people`s of the time-wasting porthole of IAB." And there was." Awesome.

    In the interest of a little more time-wasting, I`m going to share one of my favorite quotes from the late Mitch Hedberg:

    "At a stoplight, green means go, yellow means slow down, and red means stop. For a banana it`s the complete opposite. Green means hold on, yellow means go right ahead, and red means, dude, where the f*ck did you get that banana at?"

  228. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    May 1, 2006 at 8:54 am
    B-Hazard,

    That question is a classic contradiction in terms. If we assume God is infinite, then He has no beginning.

    If he has no beginning, then he has no maker.

  229. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 8:58 am
    SPrinkZ said, foolishly:

    "How is living forever perfect? Explain perfection to me, especially considering that you have no idea what true perfection is, since it`s SUBJECTIVE!
    There is no good, there is no EVIL, only faith."

    There is no good or evil? Well, I`m glad that Hitler was such a normal guy, as well as that piece of garbage Bin Laden. What about that trash Dahmer? Is he okay, too?

    There is not good and evil: the ultimate adolescent fantasy.

  230. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2006 at 9:22 am
    Immortality *is* perfection, SPrinkZ. Read John Keats` Ode on a Grecian Urn and hopefully the point he makes of mutability will become clear to you.

    LBlues, what do you know of the evidence of the Big Bang? What steps do you think scientists took that lead them to conclude a very large explosion must have happened between 10 and 15 billion years ago? Let me ask you this: why is our universe`s expansion accelerating? And no one ever said the explosion was random; everything must have a cause, especially in terms of science.

  231. Profile photo of bobbyo
    bobbyo Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2006 at 11:40 am
    he`s reaching there....
  232. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2960 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 1:45 pm
    -B-Hazard,

    That question is a classic contradiction in terms. If we assume God is infinite, then He has no beginning.

    If he has no beginning, then he has no maker.-

    You got me there. I guess that`s where the convenient "we can`t comprehend god" argument comes in.

  233. Profile photo of roller_03
    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2006 at 2:17 pm
    We can`t even comprehend ourselves or each other. How could we comprehend God?
  234. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2006 at 3:09 pm
    ever hear of profiling?
  235. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 3:55 pm
    "Convenient?"

    How precisely is this supposed "we can`t comprehend god" supposed to be "convenient?"

    Enlighten me, please, if you will, with your vast knowledge of apologetics and theology, to the nature of the "we cant` comprehend god argument." Now, from whom do you pull this one? Bertrand Russell? Descartes? Thomas Mann? Richard Dawkins? Stephen Jay Gould?

    Or merely from your stunted adolescent mindset?

    Enlighten me, please: I wait in suspense.

  236. Profile photo of B-Hazard
    B-Hazard Male 18-29
    2960 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 4:44 pm
    Every atheist says the idea of god doesn`t make sense. Every christian says that`s because humans can`t comprehend him.
  237. Profile photo of roller_03
    roller_03 Male 18-29
    40 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 4:53 pm
    "ever hear of profiling"

    By comprehend, I was under the impression that you were implying that we could understand all that was possible about a subject. Anyone could "comprehend" a person if they just learn a bit about an individuals personality and history if that is all that comprehension means; simply understanding a part of a whole. Who is to say that you could not do the same thing with God then? If God created everything, then wouldn`t learning about everything teach us to "comprehend" God?

    In my opinion, comprehension involves a complete understanding of each and every facet of what you are attempting to understand. That being the case, how could we ever say that we comprehend ourselves, each other, or God?

  238. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2006 at 6:29 pm
    haha everybody thinks their clever on here! if u wana rant, then write a paper on it or sumthing!
  239. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 6:44 pm
    Moose, son, the grown-ups are talking.

    Go watch SpongeBob and drink a Red Bull. Mom will call when dinner is ready.

  240. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 6:45 pm
    B-Hazard,

    Are you arrogant enough to believe that your idea of "making sense" is universal?

  241. Profile photo of LBlues
    LBlues Male 18-29
    713 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 9:23 pm
    "Twister`s are a result of some sort of atmosphere and cheerios wouldn`t exist without people so...no it`s not."

    oh, thank god. I was about to submit it to a few science textbooks thanky ou so much!1. SO CLEARLY I shall think up a new LOJIKAL beginning theory


    One lonely atom named adam was tripping on acid-and things got a little too real. THUS WE EXIST.

  242. Profile photo of bang_
    bang_ Female 13-17
    276 posts
    May 1, 2006 at 10:30 pm
    Bigoldjeffry,

    Are you humble enough to realize what a jerk you`re being?

  243. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
    132 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 4:27 am
    "Moose, son, the grown-ups are talking.

    Go watch SpongeBob and drink a Red Bull. Mom will call when dinner is ready."

    I`ll have you know that Spongebob is an incredibly underated program with much wit and humour.. ... and my masive consumtion of Red Bull is infact because I need the sugar... ... u gona leave us normal people alone now or are ya gonna live the rest of ur worthless life insulting people u`ll never meet anyway?

  244. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 9:02 am
    Moose,

    Son, you`re not listening. That`s a sign of low intelligence. Now, hush, boy. The grown-ups are talking.

  245. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
    132 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 10:59 am
    ur repeating urself now, and thats a sign of being old and senile. and i was being sarcastic about the spongebob stuff, surely you not noticing that is a sign of, perhaps, your deteriating intelligence
  246. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 11:26 am
    bigoldjeffry i would like to point out that on most subject i can argue many people older than me, unless they are completely arrogant, to the groud, as can many people my age. plz do not insult my, or anyone else my age, inteligence. again i say i have studied the subject of god for many years, and am close to having perfect knowledge, i have yet to read every holy book
  247. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 12:35 pm
    Hey, sambofry:

    After much consideration and self-introspection, I have come to a conclusion after reading what you said.

    Here it is:

    SHUT UP. No one cares what a 16-year-old who`s never experienced life thinks about God. Shut your hole, son.

  248. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 12:36 pm
    And anybody who thinks that he is "close to perfect knowledge" has yet to learn ANYTHING.
  249. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2006 at 2:47 pm
    I disagree, bigoldjeffry. The point of philosophical thought, self-introspection (by the way, is there any other kind of introspection? Getting redundant there, jeffry) and the pursuit of truth is to learn that one knows nothing; we do not start out assuming we know nothing.
  250. Profile photo of Palfas
    Palfas Male 30-39
    411 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 3:05 pm
    ahhhhh hahahahahahhahahaha
  251. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 4:11 pm
    Wow, you`re shallower than I suspected.

    I see that you`re familiar with NONE of western or eastern philosophy & apologetics.

    How stupid. If you start assuming that you know everything, how can you learn?

    Back to Intro to Logic for you, son.

  252. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 4:50 pm
    look mate, just cause ure old dnt mean u know everything either, u dnt need to live to "expierience" god. and just cause im 16, or anyone else who is, doesnt mean i cant know nearly everything bout the subject. i have pretty much dedicated, apart from schoolwork, the last 6 years of my life to this subject and i have been through more expieriences then u can imagine. and i speak for all the young people here now, u cant put us down cause now adays the youth know a hell of alot more, and come up with some of the most original things, than many older people, this has been tried and tested with children at my school against adults who are far more intelligent, the adults that is, that u will ever be. so i say to u SHUT UP.
  253. Profile photo of ghulaak
    ghulaak Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2006 at 5:12 pm
    The truth is, anyone could study about God their entire life and not know nearly everything about Him.
  254. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 5:24 pm
    Well said, Ghulaak.

    sambofry, you`re just proving your own inexperience and immaturity with every sentence that you type.

    You know what happens to young people?

    .
    .
    Wait for it.
    .
    .

    They GET OLD.

  255. Profile photo of moOse123
    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2006 at 5:36 pm
    i think bigoldjeffry`s views are growing on me.. he`s quite witty actually! :-P still a bit mean tho
  256. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    May 2, 2006 at 5:51 pm
    Well, I may be mean--but my feet stink, too. Don`t you EVERY FORGET IT!!
  257. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    May 2, 2006 at 7:21 pm
    I am very aware of classic Western philosophy (I consider myself a Sophist), bigoldjeffry, but I am not convinced you do. Nothing you have said has given any indication you know much of philosophy, yourself. On the contrary, you know only how to berate (attempt to berate, really) other members by shunning their argument while providing no reason or an argument of your own. You, sir, should find a better outlet.
  258. Profile photo of Enohead
    Enohead Male 40-49
    1587 posts
    May 3, 2006 at 9:27 am
    sambofry -
    For crying out loud, take the time to type the extra TWO letters it takes to turn "u" into "you".
    You`re writing a post, not Instant Messaging.
    If you are in that much of a hurry to get your thoughts out, you should probably slow down and think about what you`re saying.
    One of the "original things" you youth have come up with is a butchered written language.
  259. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 3, 2006 at 12:45 pm
    You consider yourself a Sophist? So you`re aware, then, that Aristotle pretty much decimated any credible position that you have?

  260. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    May 3, 2006 at 1:53 pm
    That is an opinion, bigoldjeffry, and as such is subject to be worth only as much stock as one puts into it. And of course, the Greek philosophers constantly contradicted each other (but you should know that) and that these contradictions didn`t overturn previous philosophical principles, but rather served to add perspective.

    I consider myself Sophist, yes, but only in thought, in that I believe wordly knowledge is dictated by rhetoric and that true knowledge, as it is, does not exist. To put it narrowly, in the words of Gorgias: "Nothing exists. If anything exists, it is incomprehensible. If it is comprehensible, it is incommunicable."

  261. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
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    May 3, 2006 at 2:57 pm
    Wow. I see you spend a lot of time on Google.
  262. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    May 3, 2006 at 5:01 pm
    sorry enohead, im used to typing on msn, ill try to remember to type "you" instead of "u" as u asked nicely, normally i do, when typing that is. and bigoldjeffry please explain how i am proving my inexpierience with each sentece i type. and as a futher note im sorry i was a nonce, i dont know if thats spelt right, its just that i dont like it when adults critisise the intelligence of 16 year olds, knowing and being a smart one myself, and normally those people are incredible ignorrant. i usually win arguements through intelligence not random shouting. but as a not on this, i have seen both sides of the arguement, the god thing, and know an arful lot about the subject, i do not claim to know everything.

    p.s. no i do not like paragraphs

  263. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2006 at 5:02 pm
    before i forget search Feuerbach for my view on the whole god thing, its very interessting.
  264. Profile photo of roller_03
    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2006 at 5:04 pm
    Overmann,

    In your opinion, what is true knowledge?

  265. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 3, 2006 at 5:17 pm
    Don`t ask Overmann what "true knowledge" is.

    He doesn`t even know what "false knowledge" is.

  266. Profile photo of bigoldjeffry
    bigoldjeffry Male 70 & Over
    594 posts
    May 3, 2006 at 10:08 pm
    Oh, and Sambo, shut your mouth, son. You`re drawing flies.
  267. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    May 3, 2006 at 10:34 pm
    You still didn`t refute what I said, bigoldjeffry. Rather, you responded with what you would consider a witty one-liner and went your own way feeling better about yourself. Get in a debate with me, damn you, and stop beating around the bush.

    I assume you know what true and false knowledge is, bigoldjeffry? I guess not, seeing how "false knowledge" is an oxymoron.

    roller_03, I feel that true knowledge is an enlightened state of being; an understanding of everything achieved without bias or interpretation. It`s just there. I don`t believe this is possible, however, and therefore cannot exist, at least in existence as we know it, which is terribly narrowly defined.

  268. Profile photo of Kassarora
    Kassarora Female 18-29
    3 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 3:57 am
    Such a theory to God`s existance...and of all the edible fruits it has to be the banana right...If the banana was THE fruit then the story of Adam and Eve would be with bananas not apples. Apples arent exactly shaped so that we can shove it in our mouths as easy. As for the dynamics of the banana I dont mean to be rude but its shape and all is more designed perhaps as a sex toy before the mechanical ones were invented by us humans. In that case God provided us with a natural sex toy as another means to satisfy ourselves...theres a thought haha
  269. Profile photo of steelgohst
    steelgohst Male 70 & Over
    3 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 7:20 am
    hitchhikers guide says it best -

    "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
    "But," says Man, "the Banana is a dead giveaway isn`t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don`t. Q.E.D."
    "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn`t thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
    "Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

  270. Profile photo of Kassarora
    Kassarora Female 18-29
    3 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 7:58 am
    Coconuts must not have been meant for us humans therefore... :-P
  271. Profile photo of Lou Two
    Lou Two Male 18-29
    1033 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 8:02 am
    I`m sure someone`s already posted it but.

    God:I refuse to prove that I exist, for proof denies faith and without faith I`m nothing
    Man: But what about the babel fish? It`s a dead give-away. It prooves you exist and so therfore you don`t
    God: Oh dear I didn`t think of that *promptly disapears in a puff of logic*

  272. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 1:19 pm
    one: bigoldjeffry youu just proved to me what a twat youu are, i apologise for being a nonse, with i was, and you through it back in my face.

    two: overmann when you said
    "I feel that true knowledge is an enlightened state of being; an understanding of everything achieved without bias or interpretation."
    its correct except that, this is my opinion, you also need to have knowledge of all past present and future. otherwise i pretty much agree with you.

    on the subject of god, personally i feel that he is too perfect to exist. when you look for desirable traits in people, e.g. intelligence, strength, etc, people imagine the ultimate example of it, e.g. god. this has been repeated throughout history, in tribal times the gods may have been thought to be warriors or hunters for example.

  273. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 2:41 pm
    sambofry, I haven`t even considered time and have yet to factor it into my definition of true knowledge. However, I imagine time would be nonexistent or irrelevant to one who achieves true knowledge, simply because that person would have access to all information regardless if it has been forgotten or lost in our timespan. I`ve yet to really think about it, and you raise a good point.
  274. Profile photo of roller_03
    roller_03 Male 18-29
    40 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 3:07 pm
    Overmann,

    Why couldn`t worldly knowledge be true knowledge then? Since we can not comprehend true knowledge, how would we even know if it was or was not present? Aren`t you also basing your opinion of true knowledge on your bias and interpretation?

  275. Profile photo of roller_03
    roller_03 Male 18-29
    40 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 3:14 pm
    Also, for all of you out there who think that there is no such thing as God, I would just like to say that thinking that way might not be the best of decisions. I could debate all day and night about the evidence of God`s existance, my personal beliefs of why he exists, and even his purpose for our existance, but what it boils down to for me is one simple fact. If I am wrong then too bad, if you are wrong then where do think that will lead to? Should pride overcome prudence?
  276. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 3:18 pm
    the only way i can see to achieve true knowledge is to have access to a time machine and to be imortal, then you would have to watch time several thousands times over to see it from every perspective and then be able to read minds to see what everyone was thinking. this being close to impossible, though i do believe in an infinite amount of dimensions so and infinite amount of chances for this to happen, its doubtful that this will happen in our life time.
  277. Profile photo of sambofry
    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 4:28 pm
    i just found out im a anthropologist, just for anyone whose actually interessted
  278. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 4:37 pm
    roller_03:

    Concerning your first post, what do you mean by wordly knowledge? Do you mean miscellaneous information, such as the name of countries, the color of animals, etc.? If so, I would say that true knowledge may very well be wordly knowledge, but that our incapability of knowing anything would prevent us from knowing any different, and is therefore nonexistent (or incomprehensible) to us. And I am basing my definition of true knowledge on bias and interpretation, but only because I can`t do any different.

    sambofry, you are describing the visions of Edgar Cayce in which he claimed to see a room full of monitors depicting various historical and current events upon falling into a trance.

    Also, I can`t remember any specifics but I was told of this one girl who was drifting in and out of life, describing what she saw on the other side to her parents, who eagerly wrote it down.

  279. Profile photo of Overmann
    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 4:39 pm
    The record of it said that we appear exactly as we are, only in forms of energy and not as physical beings. It had also said that we can think about being anywhere in the world and immediately appear there, or think of the name of a person and be immediately beside them. This suggests an immediate access to other individuals and areas, which may or may not transcend the dimension of time. Very interesting stuff.
  280. Profile photo of disciple99
    disciple99 Male 13-17
    127 posts
    May 4, 2006 at 4:50 pm
    rollr_ 03
    nice point; for christians, whether the world was created by God (which it was) or by other means, it matters not. We have nothing to lose. But with atheists and others, if they are wrong they are, for lack of a better term, screwed.
    Jesus Rocks.
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    sambofry Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2006 at 4:53 pm
    overmann, thanks but that is actually amazing seeing as i just made that up. i will eventually think of something originol i just know it, nut thanks for giving me the name of it
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    sambofry Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2006 at 5:10 pm
    and disiple the bible says that if you worship god as a safety net, so to speak, you are going to hell, false worshiping or something like that
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2006 at 9:44 pm
    You raise an important reason for following any religion (though Christianity may be a better example), but I`ve often thought of this and decided that because the Bible says Man is imperfect, and because Christian teachings speak of benevolence and care (excluding, of course, how Christianity works in practice), I`ve decided God won`t strike me down for doubting his existence.

    But on the other hand if he cannot accept the doubts and inclinations of his own creations, then perhaps he isn`t a god worth worshipping. After all: I wouldn`t feel secure with myself worshipping (a form of overwhelming submission or adoration) an invisible, unresponsive, and discriminatory being.

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    jjcruiser13 Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2006 at 10:15 pm
    "sambofry, you`re just proving your own inexperience and immaturity with every sentence that you type.

    You know what happens to young people?

    .
    .
    Wait for it.
    .
    .

    They GET OLD."

    Not if they die first! ^.^

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    ghulaak Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2006 at 10:33 pm
    Man is definitely imperfect, we screw up all the time. God accepts and loves everyone, but, being a just God, He cannot accept sin. Therefore, He sent Jesus to die for our sins, in order to have a way for us to get to Him. Are doubts and inclinations sin? Not necessarily.

    As for God being invisible, unresponsive, and discriminatory; it is an inaccurate statement from my experiences.

    As for lukewarm Christianity, here is what James has to say about it:
    "What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don`t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone?" (James 2:14)
    "You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can`t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?"
    (James 2:19-20)

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 12:20 am
    I won`t debate faith except to say that religion is true and God "speaks" only to those who believe in him, and that God`s responsiveness is actually a self-materialized phenomenon on the part of religious people. This is, of course, my opinion, and is consequently why I don`t believe in prayer or God. Different experiences, different opinions, and I`m content with both of mine.
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    Nico_86 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 2:30 am
    umm... wouldnt all that just be proof for the atheists...seeing as evolution and all would be the reason that the banana is designed so conveniently for us humans/monkeys. Man, what a moron.

    Also, i thought this was gonna be something nasty...

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    Nico_86 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 2:37 am
    I just went back and read some of the posts and Overmann, I like your thoughts and I agree completly.

    ghulaak: What if someone says he has faith AND acts like he has faith, but truly in his heart he cant ever fully come to have blind faith, will he still be embraced by God? That is my situation, I wish and hope that there is something after life, but I can`t bring myself to believe such a thing as God (and the whole deal) because of my experiences and how I`ve been shaped. So...I`m agnostic, but very willing to go to a heaven if there is one =)

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    Nico_86 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 3:24 am
    I went back to an earlier page and read something that annoyed me:

    "Neither creation nor evolution are proven. And although your Biology teacher might think otherwise, they are both technically faiths."

    Evolution is not a faith. It is a theory, plain and simple. People don`t "follow" it. There are no strict rules to it by which people must run their lives. It is simply there, derived from factual observations. People use this knowledge to best run their lives. A simple example: it was observed, and derived from experiments that water at lower pressures, boils at lower temperatures. No one commits themselves to blindly believing "evolution," but say the time were to come where humanity must make a decision to save itself, if I were in charge, I would follow ... this is too hard to explain for me. 4get it.

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    Nico_86 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 3:25 am
    sorry, to explain my thoughts here would take...alot of words...

    sorry to have wasted the space and your time.

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    Malletman Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 3:34 am
    I feel rather dirty for immediately thinking of the phallic nature of the banana when he was describing the `perfection` of its shape and all.
  292. Profile photo of ghulaak
    ghulaak Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 10:22 am
    To Nico_86:
    "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God`s one and only Son. And the judgment is based on this fact: God`s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants."
    (John 3:16-21)
    There is also a note in my Bible that says:
    "When Jesus talks about unbelievers, he means those who reject or ignore him completely, not those who have momentary doubts."
    I h
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    ghulaak Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 10:23 am
    Apparently it did not in fact post 1000 characters, the last line says:

    I hope this helps with your question.

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    cannibal151 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 4:14 pm
    wow so many ppl writing big paragraphs...like anyone reads them...
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    disciple99 Male 13-17
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    May 5, 2006 at 4:59 pm
    yo, sambofry. im dont worship god as a safety net. I worship him as my lord and savior. Im just saying that being a christian has benefits, including not having to worry about tomorrow, pain or death, because we know we have a future with God.
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    disciple99 Male 13-17
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    May 5, 2006 at 5:04 pm
    and ghulaak, you rock. You have your priorities set on God, and for that I commend you. For me, its sometimes hard to get my point across in words, but you have effectively done this.
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    disciple99 Male 13-17
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    May 5, 2006 at 5:12 pm
    I cannot truly describe the joy that comes from knowing Christ, but I can say that, Overman, the reason that Christians hear god speak is because we listen. You cannot hear what you don`t listen for. Also God doesn`t speak directly, rather, through prayer and worship and asking God for direction , we feel the Holy Spirit telling us what to do. God leads us, and helps us through hard times, and it is this knowledge that influences my love and devotion for Christ.
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    disciple99 Male 13-17
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    May 5, 2006 at 5:12 pm
    Rom 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Rom 5:2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    Rom 5:3 More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance,
    Rom 5:4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope,
    Rom 5:5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God`s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
    Rom 5:6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
    Rom 5:7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person--though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die--
    Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
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    ghulaak Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 10:57 pm
    Glory be to God, not to me.
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    LBlues Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2006 at 10:59 pm
    EVERYONE KNOWS WE EVOLVED FROM CEREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111125!
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    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2006 at 1:43 am
    Overmann:

    My main point was that we are basing our opinions on worldly knowledge so anything that comes from that would be worldly knowledge. This being the case, how could you say that there is a level of knowledge that surpasses our higher knowledge unless you had a source of higher knowledge that was actually telling you so (such as God). I do not believe that it is acurate to say that God only talks to people that have a belief in Him. What about the Biblical story of Abraham? I don`t believe that people are going to always physically or manifestally hear his voice, but couldn`t God use other ways to speak to people besides just through words, since He is God? Specifically, that is what the Bible is for. It is His words and you can hear him speak whenever you open it.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2006 at 10:07 am
    disciple99, what you seem to be describing are self-fulling prophecies. When people believe (key word) that God is telling them things, which is to say that when people are made to believe through church preachings that God is telling them things, they`ll believe it because looking all throughout history, faith has been dominate over what later became known as scientific fact. Faith has a greater hold over people`s emotions - to the point where it affects them personally and they refuse to allow someone to contradict their beliefs.

    ghulaak, that Bible verse (a popular one, is it?) sounds horribly elitist. It can potentially implant in the minds of its readers a self-righteous viewpoint towards "lesser men," namely those who don`t worship God. Am I to be punished by God for not believing in him? And knowing this, would my overwhelming fear of death impede on my free will?

    God is not a just god. He`s a small man behind the curtain.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2006 at 10:30 am
    roller_03, I`m using a principle of opposites I`ve thought up as a tool for becoming more aware of the world and reality. Everything must have an opposite that says its opposite can exist. For example, you can`t have a spoon without its opposite defining what a spoon isn`t. This has led to me conclude that there must be an infinite amount of dimensions, together playing out every possibility so that ours can simply exist. One cannot do anything without some rule saying what is possible.

    After some thinking, I`ve concluded that wordly knowledge cannot be true knowledge because if it were, we`d know if it was true or not. That we question the nature of wordly knowledge says as much. To answer your question, I just used my principle of opposites to conclude that there must be a state of knowing everything that dictates, as an opposite, knowing nothing, which we do.

    Again, all of this is speculation because, obviously, we can`t know anything.

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    ghulaak Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2006 at 10:35 am
    You are correct Overmann that it can plant that view in people, in fact it has several times if you delve into the history books. However, that is merely a human failure, not the failure of the verse.
    "Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven."
    (Matthew 10:33)
    I am interested in hearing why you believe that God is not a just God.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2006 at 4:27 pm
    ghulaak, I wouldn`t consider it an inherent human flaw. Rather, I feel the 3:16 verse represents an unrealistic ideal that humans have set for themselves and that in practice, we continually fail to meet our own standards (or God`s standards, depending on what one thinks of the origin of the Bible). One of my big turn-offs to religion is how often times religious people will claim to belong to the perfect idealogy of their denomination, and yet upon scratching the gilded surface, one finds the cruel, unaccepting, hateful, and malevolent nature of the faithful.

    And I am sorry, but I will not elaborate on why I feel God is an unjust god. I`ve said as much about religion as I feel comfortable with saying without fueling the fire of a larger conflict.

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    sambofry Male 18-29
    48 posts
    May 6, 2006 at 4:43 pm
    i have a question for people on here, mainly christians.

    why doesnt god just strike satan down in all his godly glory, wouldnt that solve loads of problems??

    just wanna hear your thought on the subject

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    ghulaak Male 18-29
    8 posts
    May 6, 2006 at 6:12 pm
    In short answer to your question, He will.
    "Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
    (Revelation 20:10)
    However, when God does strike down Satan, judgment will come. I believe that God wants as many people to come to Him as possible before that happens, He is giving people time to turn from their sins.
    "For the Good News must first be preached to all nations."
    (Mark 13:10)
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    ghulaak Male 18-29
    8 posts
    May 6, 2006 at 6:28 pm
    I do not believe that John 3:16 in particular represents "unrealistic ideals"; however, I can see where the 10 Commandments may come across that way. But consider this:
    "For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are."
    (Romans 3:20)
    All that John 3:16 tells us to do is believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, which is far from an unrealistic ideal.
    I am not a big fan of denominations myself, but at this point in time I think that it would be worse without them.
    Lastly, I pray that I have not come across as cruel, unaccepting, hateful, or malevolent. If so, I definitely apologize for presenting the information in the incorrect manner.
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    buzzfish Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2006 at 7:02 pm
    Bananas are bananas beacuase humans used selective breeding techniques for years. They are not naturally that convenient. Bananas one in supermarket, or this video- are not even a spieces, they are sterile. I don`t even like Bananas, cool word though.
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    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    May 27, 2006 at 12:57 pm
    "One of the "original things" you youth have come up with is a butchered written language."

    language changes... get over it.. and while your at that, get over yourself

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    brutalnz Male 30-39
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    June 19, 2006 at 5:27 am
    A big question to the unbelievers out there: WHAT IF YOUR WRONG? that`s all
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    Custom_hobo Male 13-17
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    June 19, 2006 at 6:02 am
    Wow...thats completely amazing...
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    jimijim Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2006 at 11:16 am
    A few comments:
    -Since we`ve moved on from bananas, there`s a big difference between "unrealistic ideals" with "no proof" and "someone who lived and died and apparently rose from the dead and worked miracles and who claimed to be God" (my words). I have no right to force pure "ideals" onto someone, unrealistic or not. But if I tell you about a man called Jesus, who did the aforementioned, that is a statement that can be investigated, the evidence examined. If the evidence adds up, and you think that it`s true then: 1-It`s true for everyone, not a case of "I`ll believe what`s right for me." 2-Here`s a "source of higher knowledge": not just "human ideals", but Truth coming from one who is far above us-so we must change our ideas accordingly 3-This is serious stuff, we should at least tell others out of concern/love for them, so they won`t get "struck down" along with Satan and all others who thought they k
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    Zelda411 Female 18-29
    34 posts
    July 15, 2006 at 7:29 pm
    Well, this outrates the loituma thing by about 100 comments...........hehe Loituma is here: http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm... just incase you were wonderng :)
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    jhonmayer1 Male 18-29
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    July 23, 2006 at 2:25 pm
    ummm...ewww.........lol...they fit our mouths perfectly and have a tip for easy "penatration"...lol
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    DoughnutBoy Male 13-17
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    August 5, 2006 at 11:59 pm
    I laughed....alot XD
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    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    December 12, 2006 at 9:11 am
    LAST POST!!!!!!!!!! 11111ONEONEONEONEONELEVEN!!!
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    scar104 Male 13-17
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    February 26, 2007 at 6:54 pm
    Just another example of another person looking for some leadership in their sad lives. Bananas? What about apples?
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    Oceana Female 18-29
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    April 15, 2007 at 5:01 pm
    They even come with a biodegradable `wrapper`! Just like Oranges, apples, lemons and other fruits that God designed specifically for our use! HOW F`ING CONVENIENT!
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    moOse123 Male 18-29
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    June 4, 2007 at 8:28 am
    anyone got the time?

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