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89 Responses to Charlie Sheen talks out about Sept 11 Conspiracies

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    look215 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2006 at 8:33 pm
    Link: Charlie Sheen talks out about Sept 11 Conspiracies - From a recent episode of CNN Showbiz Tonight
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    Jamaljones Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:33 am
    charlie sheen shoad meate mai frein charlie brown
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    tourettes Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:39 am
    Wow, just wow.
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    Dragonlord Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:46 am
    I HAVE read the evidence, I HAVE looked at both sides carefully, and I have to say that this Sheen guy, as well as all of the others, are indeed wack-jobs. I dislike Bush and all of his flunkies, but I have a hard time believing what`s being said here. Government official with inside info could have done much more damage that what happened... what DID happen was careful planning around a few unknowns, and it shows.
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    gcxj220 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 3:04 am
    Something tells me the post number for this will be mighty high before all is said and done (but mainly just said).
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    lolakitty72 Female 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 3:36 am
    I try to not look to celebrities (especially the drunk ones) for news and information...but he is quite easy on the eye.
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 5:16 am
    welp. They`ll be gone in about a month or two and the government will insist they never even existed, so no worries.
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    SammyFrank Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 6:02 am
    charlie sheen drinks and screws lots of woman.. Hep C can really screw you up.. As for A. J. Hammer - wtf kind of name is that??!?! LOL!! A. J. Hammer.. LAY OF THE COCAINE!!..
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    McTommyD Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 8:35 am
    This isn`t the most mainstream that the conspiracy theory has got. There was a series in Britain called "conspiracy theories" with a one hour special on 9/11.
    Most of the people I know in the UK think it`s a conspiracy, and have done for a while.
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    superdud94 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2006 at 8:59 am
    i think thes could all be true but there is only one problem...WHY?????????? it does not make any sense if they had a reason i would so go for it so yah.
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    Osprey39 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:14 am
    This guy could be a bit more credible if he stopped saying "New World Order" every few seconds. Also, the interviewer seems kind of dumb. I can believe that there was some level of covering up (mostly of the government`s failures), but I don`t believe that the government actually carried out the attacks. Although of course 9/11 was an enormous political boon for Bush.
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    snottydyck Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:18 am
    once again the hollywood people surpass all others with the quality of their dope. what an idiot!
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    Jake-BackMT Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:31 am
    why exactly is it Charlie Sheen is the face of what would be the greatest conspiracy theory our country has ever known? i`ve seen many more credible people talking about this.
    i hate bush, he sent us to war over 9/11, which was a bull response. but i just can`t believe our own govt would do this to ourselves. should anything major be revealed in the coming months, even if it`s just a few govt coverups. the lynch mobs had better be out after this administration.
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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:31 am
    um... broken link?
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    kitten_soup Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:33 am
    This is what passes for journalism these days? Someone named "Hammer" interviewing a washed-up actor amidst swirly, superfluous graphics, for voicing a conspiracy theory that nutjobs on the internet have been circulating since October of 2001? W...TF.
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    Laguna044 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 10:08 am
    I watched this already on CNN. It was interesting, and scary to know the US wanted to attack American cities and blame it on communists back in the day. And why is the Administration so secretive about it, Im not saying they did the attacks, but they know something that we don`t.
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    Hydrotaoist Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 10:17 am
    Before yall open ur mouths about whack jobs look at building 7. It had maybe 1 floor on fire never got hit by a plane and callapsed just like a planned demolition. Im not saying Bush did it cuz i dont know. I do know one thing for fact and thats building 7 went down from demolitions. So the other probly did too.

    Lets also add the fact that a steel building has NEVER IN THE HISTORY of mankind has fell due to fie

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    Mo0k Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 10:28 am
    What about this house of spoons I just made? They just melted..
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    bobbyo Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 10:45 am
    one of Bush`s former top cabinet members, Ronald Reagan`s cheif economic advisor, who invented Reaganomics, physics professors from major universities, have all come out saying their is a coverup but do they get attention? No. But some actor quasi celebrity says something and everyone perks up. sad. http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 11:18 am
    It is sad, but you know what, if it works to get the attention of people in this country GOOD. Superdud94 do you know realize all they`re getting from this, COMPLETE POWER. If there is a big enough threat they can even dely elections and Bush can stay in power for longer. The government is getting a rediculous amount of power they`re not supposed to have and their exuse is they`re protecting us (we`re just the same in security as before 9/11 believe me my mom works at JFK airport in NYC.) It`s rediculous. I wish people wouldn`t like HAHAAHAH, WHAT A WACK JOB and watch this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=... in its entirety.
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 11:18 am
    do you not realize*
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    buddy Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 11:50 am
    I think the government could silence a lot of criticism if they would release the tapes showing the plane hitting the pentagon. I don`t understand why they have not done this (such as security video from 7-11 across the street, other security cam footage they confiscated).
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    ciaran036 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 12:22 pm
    I strongly with these guys in the video. The evidence of these allegations is overwhelming its just that people are too blind to see the truth!
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    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 12:26 pm
    I am sorry, but the crazy 9/11 conspiracy theories lost credibility with me a looooong time ago. First the theorists were saying that Bush knew about the attacks and did not stop them, then they moved on to saying that Bush himself may have orchestrated the attacks, now they say that Bush somehow managed to plant enough explosives *secretly* in some or all of those buildings to knock them down. That`s crazy! Let`s just think about logistics for a second here. Do you know how much work goes into the demolition of those buildings when experts do the work?? And people are trying to say that they managed to hide explosives somewhere in the building(s) that could cause just the right amount of explosive force to not look to much like explosives but still have enough strength to knock down the building(s). Has anyone even ever done anything like that before? Are government must be amazing demolitionists. Best I have ever heard of.
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 1:37 pm
    ^ Just a thought, but: I have a feeling the government of the most powerful country in the world just MAY have their hands on some other methods of blowing stuff up other than what construction guys do for $13.50 an hour. Again, just a thought.
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 1:38 pm
    -i think thes could all be true but there is only one problem...WHY?????????? it does not make any sense if they had a reason i would so go for it so yah.-

    cause then bush could go on t.v. and say "we gonna get us some terrrorrists" and everyone would cheer for him and think he`s a badass. THEN he can go to iraq and get sadam for trying to kill his dad, all the while having an excuse to take over some oil. He wouldn`t have been able to start a `war on terror` if there was no `terror` in the first place.

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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 1:59 pm
    Ok kids, first thing.
    Charlie Sheen`s past is immaterial. Done.
    Second thing, check the facts. Cross check them. You DO NOT know as much as you think you do.
    This would not be the first time a government has put its people in harms way, by omission or design, to spur them on to war. Pearl Harbor. The USS Maine. There is precedent.
    If you are to believe the 911 Commision, Spet 11 was an uncanny day of firsts. It was the first time the debris of a crashing airliner was vaporized on impact(Pentagon). It was the first(and second! Oh, and THIRD!) time a steel and concrete high rise collapsed due to fire.
    Eye witness acounts do not add up. The photos and video do not add up. The sheer physics do not add up.
    You have been lied to. You should be pissed.

    " It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government. "
    - Thomas Paine

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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:18 pm
    The fact that some asshat like Charlie Sheen is the one speaking out about it being a conspiracy is a conspiracy in itself.
    See, the government knew that people were starting to get wise to the 9/11 conspiracy, so they took this dumb fartknocker and had him speak up about it, knowing full well that nobody would put any credibility in what he was saying.
    Reverse psychology. Brilliant!
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:31 pm
    ^Ouch, thats a crazy thought, but not one I would put out of my head. Geez.
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    Osprey39 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:42 pm
    On a side note, Charlie Sheen was great in his two minutes in Ferris Bueller`s Day Off.
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:46 pm
    -The fact that some asshat like Charlie Sheen is the one speaking out about it being a conspiracy is a conspiracy in itself.
    See, the government knew that people were starting to get wise to the 9/11 conspiracy, so they took this dumb fartknocker and had him speak up about it, knowing full well that nobody would put any credibility in what he was saying.
    Reverse psychology. Brilliant!-

    lol

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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 2:48 pm
    Once again, I`m going to ask, can someone post a link on here that works? I want to see it and all it does is go to a white screen...
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    smelzbelz Female 13-17
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    March 29, 2006 at 3:06 pm
    wouldnt the force of impact, which would weaken the building, cause the collapse, not the fire?
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    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 3:27 pm
    B-Hazard
    Your argument makes no logical sense. Just what MAY they have that could explain the explosions working so perfectly and would also explain the fact that nobody would notice the explosives. I would say that based on the video evidence and the on-site testimonies, the evidence is by far more indicative of my argument.

    Additionally, for all of you out there that are thinking that a steel building has never fallen due to fire, lets also remember the fact that a steel building, that has been standing for who knows how many years, has never had a 747 full of gas smash into it before. How do we know what the effect is gonna be?? If the plane exploded on contact, due to all of it`s gas, wouldn`t that be a large enough explosion to weaken the structure and additionally disintegrate the plane?

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    Tidbit Female 70 & Over
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    March 29, 2006 at 4:12 pm
    I mean comon people, THINK ABOUT IT.

    bush was OBIOUSLY desperate to get re-elected right? and what better way then to seem patriotic about it????? what better way to get re-elected than by making your citizens believe that they HAD to re-elect you because if they didn`t, then they would be at risk?

    dosn`t it seem slightly weird how fast bush was to go into the war? wouldn`t the PRESIDENT of all people think before he acted? so i mean comon, stop being so closed-minded about this and THINK.

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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 4:29 pm
    roller, anything is possible, as the monkeys on the launchpad up my butt will attest. But lets review the on-site testimony and video footage. Many witness in and around the towers reported hearing MULTIPLE explosion in the buildings. Video AND audio footage document multiple bursts and smoke plumes as the towers came down.

    The steel in the WTC is tested for 2000 degress F for over an hour. Jet fuel, under those conditions, burns at around 1500, and in this case, for only around 10 minutes. Secondary debris fires burn much much cooler. True, steel does lose a great deal of its strength when heated, but it is also a superb conductor, and would disperse so much heat across the structure that very little of it would get anywhere near 1500. The Twin Towers, like all skyscrapers, are extremely overengineered, designed to sustain several times their own weight.

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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 4:32 pm
    Add to the, both towers fell at literally free-fall speeds. The cooler, harder steel and concret below impact provided NO resistance to the falling towers. The only way that could happen to a structure of that strength and fortitude, is if they were somehow undermined or damaged.

    RESEARCH THE FACTS. Read the counterarguments. Weight it all in your mind. Here is a good site for some basic armchair info about 9/11
    http://911research.wtc7.net/

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    Q80 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2006 at 5:04 pm
    JamalJones you rock!!! Btw what he said was this, dont click spoiler if u wanna think he speaks complete crap!charlie sheen shoad meate mai frein charlie brown = Charlie Sheen should meet my friend Charlie Brown!! I LOVE YOU JAMALJONES!!!! U LANGUAGE INVENTER U!!
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 5:19 pm
    Do you realize you are getting your conspiracy theories from "Showbiz Tonight"?...and MaHaBone, thank you for exposing your sheer stubborn ignorance to the world..if you are going to provide "evidence", at least provide credible evidence...this is the same type of site that you see when you research "Moon landing conspiracies"...your faux-engineering skills make me sick.
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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 5:53 pm
    Hm. It must be a job requirement in Hollywood to be a frickin retard.
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    kitten_soup Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 6:14 pm
    MaHaBone, two issues I will address:

    1- The steel structure of each of the Twin Towers was actually surprisingly precarious. Upon hindsight, engineers have agreed on some of its (easily-prevented) shortcomings. Essentially, the builders favored light-weight design over durability, and so effectively UNDER-engineered it. They were afraid that if it was fortified too much, the sheer weight would pull it down. The elevator shafts were just about the only internal steel structure, with most of the weight resting on the outer walls of the building. When this "shell" was breached by the aircraft, the building`s entire structure crumbled. Picture, if you will, a Jenga tower.

    2- The heat could not have reached a temperature sufficient to compromize the steel girders, and multiple explosions were seen after the initial impact. These are easily attributed to the wiring and heating systems within the building, as well as to all the electrical equipment in the offices.

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    kitten_soup Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 6:19 pm
    There are plenty of explodable things in an office building, and they are affected at far less than 1500 degrees. It`s like throwing a match onto the top of a pile of firecrackers; the ones on the bottom never came in contact with the match, but they`re sure as hell going to explode. It`s also entirely probable that not all of the plane`s engines exploded on impact, and only after burning for a few minutes did they finally succumb.
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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 6:30 pm
    Re: Jenga Towers. You know, I`ve played that game a thousand times, but I have never ever seen a Jenga tower drop straight down. They topple, like a tree falling over, because some parts of the tower are stronger than others, creating lateral path of least resistance. It would seem the WTC`s path of least resistance was straight down, through thousands of tons of steel and concrete.

    Aso for the other explosions, WTC plant employees have said they can`t think of a SINGLE THING that would explode like that, that far from impact. NY building laws are very strict about what kind of explosive fluids can be used in a structure like that.

    It also doesn`t explain why explosions were seen 30, 40, even 50 floors lower (remember heat RISES) than the point of impact. Did all that fuel trickle down the stairs and elevators people were using, miraculously avoiding ignition, to pool in a lower floor and await the inevitable explosion?

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    Roob Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:02 pm
    What`s with the constant overwhelming music
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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:07 pm
    BTW- Kitten Soup, do you care to site any of your sources, specificlly about the Towers being underdesigned?
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    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:18 pm
    Let me begin by replying to Tidbit:

    Pres. Bush was not the only one screaming to go to war. The pretty much the entire Congress voted to go to war without a second thought. Besides, that is an opinion the Pres. Bush was desperate to get re-elected. Plus, if Pres. Bush was just using the war to get himself re-elected and win oil then, first, why are we still in Iraq after he has still been elected since he would be getting so much less crud from the media if he pulled out, and, second, where is all the oil at?

    Next, in response to MahaBone:

    My point comes in two parts. First, I believe that although the fire may have had an impact, I am guessing that the strong impact of the planes and their large explosions would be more then enough to weaken the buildings to the point where fire or future explosions could cause it to collapse. Secondly, nobody has every crashed a 747 into a building like that before so we have no idea what the effects would exactly be. We can just guess.

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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:21 pm
    You can cite as many theories as you want, but until I see some proof (not hearsay) and a motive, I`m not buying into this government conspiracy crap for even an instant.
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    B-Hazard Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:28 pm
    -B-Hazard
    Your argument makes no logical sense.-

    You said this:

    "Do you know how much work goes into the demolition of those buildings when experts do the work?? And people are trying to say that they managed to hide explosives somewhere in the building(s) that could cause just the right amount of explosive force to not look to much like explosives but still have enough strength to knock down the building(s). Has anyone even ever done anything like that before? Are government must be amazing demolitionists. Best I have ever heard of."

    All I said is I have a hunch that the government probably has some demoltions that neither you or the rest of the world are aware of. Unless you know every peice of arsenal they have?

    You`re assuming that the US Government couldn`t blow up a building in a specific fasion just because the demolitionists that work for a living can`t. That`s just a moronic comparison.

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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:31 pm
    roller 03 is right about the president not being the only one wanting to go to war. I have seen dozens of clips and hundreds of quotes from Democrats and Republicans saying America needed to disarm Saddam and stop his weapons programs as soon as possible. In fact, Hillary Clinton in particular had some of the most enflamed rhetoric about how Saddam needed to be stopped. If you want to point the finger at the president or Republicans in general, you`re also going to have to point to the previous administration, which was equally adamant (if not more so) about the threat Saddam posed.

    As for the government conspiracy crap, how do you conspiracy theorists explain the well-established fact that Al-Qaeda terrorists flew the planes? If the WTC towers had bombs, then did the White House have bombs, too? What about the Pentagon? Why would the government bomb the White House and the Pentagon? Like I said, I NEED A MOTIVE!!!

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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:33 pm
    By the way, you guys know Canada has a lot more oil than Iraq does, right?
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    mjsmoose Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:35 pm
    Charlie Sheen is a stupid f*cking c*nt, just like his dad.
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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:48 pm
    Well, it`s an engineers job to do a little more than guess. With the Tower`s impressive size, an aircraft stiking the buidling was a definate consideration. The largest aircraft at the time of the WTC`s design was the 707, which is only slightly smaller than the 757s that hit them on 9/11. Also 707s have a higher travel speed, and would actually impact with more momentum. The Towers were designed to withstand a direct impact from one of these planes, and some theorized it could withstand two direct imapcts to a single tower.

    Bear in mind, no building EVER in the course of human history has collapsed by bomb, earthquake, weather, structural failure, or any other conceivable misfortune or combination of misfortunes, EVER. The ONLY way any building has ever collapsed in such a manner was by controlled demolition. Period. And on 9-11, it happened not TWICE, but 3 TIMES.

    You think I`m wrong?

    Prove it.

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    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:53 pm
    B-Hazard,
    You are implying that the government has some type of amazing item which is unknown to most people that they somehow managed to use on the WTC`s and, at the same time, attempted to cover up that fact. I am saying that that is completely illogical. How come they have never used it before, and why wouldn`t they just blow up the WTC`s the easy way (tnt in a closet or something) and then just blame it on whoever. Wouldn`t that work just as well and be a heck of a lot easier to cover up and do?
  54. Profile photo of MaHaBone
    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:58 pm
    Sigh, I`m going to hate myself for diving into this can of worms, but...
    Ok, motive.
    You`ve the world`s largest military and industrial superpower, with human history`s greatest army. And no one to fight. Billions of dollars in military budgets, and nothing to justify it. You need an enemy. You justify your budgets and unite your people under a single ideology. You can tax your citizens more, to help pay for all your new weapons and military actions, and they will gladly thank you for it.

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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 7:59 pm
    Of course, you don`t have to listen to me. Take it from famed Nazi butthole Herman Goerring-
    "Of course the people don`t want war. But after all, it`s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it`s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it`s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 8:48 pm
    This guy could be a bit more credible if he stopped saying "New World Order" every few seconds....

    errr he said it once...

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    look215 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:16 pm
    Sorry that I didnt add to my thread earlier, but really this whole phiasco is reminding me alot of 1984, think about it there are the upper echelons of the world that go on living knowing all is not right in the world, there are the decision makers, and then there are the Proles who could change the system completly just purely by numbers but wont because of thier ignorance and apathy.
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    mjsmoose Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:20 pm
    MaHaBone and look215 you are just as big of a C*nt as Sheen, and the other F*ckers who need an even bigger conspiracy than there already was on 9/11.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:21 pm
    I am pretty sure no one here is credible enough to disprove what was said by Sheen, so shut the f*ck up.
    There have been buildings that have had fires spread across them in 13+ floors, for 6 or more hours and did not fall, and were made shortly after or before the WTCs. The fire spread across the WTC in only 4 floors I believe, and only for about an hour before falling down PERFECTLY. Even if they government played no hand in this, it certainly knew about it. I still am a firm believer that our government (as many in the past have before) are using this as a tactic to wage war and preemptive strikes to satisfy our oil lust. This is a bunch of crap, and 50 years later we`ll all know, you`ll also find out that pearl harbor was a bunch of sh*t too. All of a sudden we put all of our ships under repair, and other crap ships into port and sent the rest out to sea, then bam we get bombed. Now why did we do that? You figure it out.
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    look215 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:24 pm
    Again sry for the double post , but I also wanted to add again its all for oil and the economy. I`ve been reading from a magazine " New citizen" or something like that , a brit mag. That has mentioned frequently how Iraq, and now Iran wants to base the exchange of oil into Euro`s, basically that would cause a huge blow for the american currency market. I think its perfect reasoning behind the whole war on terror, thats the reason why there is the talks going on about Iran having nuclear materials, not because they are of any threat or outsteping thier boundaries , they have actually set higher inspection regulations than what is expected of them just to gain trust. Its just another made up threat that is going to end up in war and how sad it is that that todays journalists are just eating it up.
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    nofalling Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:33 pm
    Ok, I`m confused. What is all this talk about Bush? Doesn`t he need the Senate and House to approve war? Were all the members of Congress in on it too??
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    mjsmoose Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:37 pm
    On 3/29/2006 9:21:47 PM SPrinkZ wrote: I am pretty sure no one here is credible enough to disprove what was said by Sheen, so shut the f*ck up. (spoiler)
    There have been quite a few studies to disprove your theory you stupid f*cking assbag.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 9:49 pm
    i have known it was a coverup since the start.
    never trust the american goverment!
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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
    354 posts
    March 29, 2006 at 10:18 pm
    THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY. Your hatred of the president is the sole driving force behind your belief in such a stupid theory.

    If this is supposed to be a conspiracy that benefits Bush, what exactly has Bush gained from all this? His popularity is way down, U.S. soldiers are dying, and the deficit is jacked way up. As far as I can tell, we haven`t taken any oil from Iraq. Our prices are still increasing.

    Think. The terrorists also flew a plane into the Pentagon, and one was aimed at the White House. Conspiracy theorists claim the WTC towers were bombed when the planes hit. So, logic dictates that the White House and the Pentagon had bombs planted in them, as well.

    This leads me to wonder why the U.S. government would bomb itself and cost itself billions of dollars and thousands of lives in a war that provides it no benefit other than to eradicate terrorism. You guys watch too many movies.

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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2006 at 10:27 pm
    I wasn`t around during the Roswell incident, the JFK assasination, or the first moon landing, but I am quite sure there is neither sufficient proof nor motive for the U.S. government to stage the 9/11/2001 attack.

    MaHaBone, your insinuation that America framed the Islamofascist terrorists and your theory of a motive for the conspiracy are completely irrational. Turn on any news channel and you will see Muslim terrorists killing innocent people. Do you really think they are innocent of the 9/11 attack? Besides, it makes no sense for the U.S. to create a war it doesn`t need. War costs lives and money, which America always needs. Why waste those things when it doens`t need to?

    Please, if you`re going to buy into another stupid government conspiracy theory, at least ask yourself if the whole thing makes sense before you embarrass yourself.

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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 10:35 pm
    Bush & Cheney were both safely far away from the White House on 9-11. Blowing up the building would not have hurt them. But it would be political gold.

    Indigo, you`re confusing the war in Iraq with the War on Terror. Think about where the US was right after 9-11. Bush`s popularity was soaring at a career high. The entire nation, even the most reticent about war, were in favor of invading Afganistan to destroy Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. The US had the support and blessing of virtually every nation on the Earth.
    And then, Iraq, which did a pretty quick job of wiping out Bush`s popularity, international support, the national budget, and most of all, thousands of lives based on bogus intelligence.

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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2006 at 10:42 pm
    "...at least ask yourself if the whole thing makes sense before you embarrass yourself."

    Well, lets make a hypothosis-
    1. Fabricate or facilitate an enemy attack on American soil. Check.
    2. Said attack unifies the American people for War against said enemy (see Pearl Harbor, USS Maine) Check.
    3. Spend billions (on mutaully beneficial corporate interests)to execute the war, even into deficit spending. Check.
    4. Profit. Its been a good few years for Haliburton, hasn`t it? Check.
    5. Leave office before said deifict spending bankrupts the nation. Pending.

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    LittleDog Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 12:02 am
    The goverment is playing the blame game to get out of trouble.

    What good is a goverment if the people know that it lies?

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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 12:30 am
    "I am pretty sure no one here is credible enough to disprove what was said by Sheen, so shut the f*ck up."

    Are you calling Charlie Sheen acredible source of information?!?!

    `nuff said.

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    Surrysounds Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 1:24 am
    Hollywood has gotten to his head. What a fool.
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2006 at 8:31 am
    Once again, HOBYandy rocks.
    Took the words right out of my mouth, brother.
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    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 1:52 pm
    "You`ve the world`s largest military and industrial superpower, with human history`s greatest army. And no one to fight. Billions of dollars in military budgets, and nothing to justify it. You need an enemy. You justify your budgets and unite your people under a single ideology. You can tax your citizens more, to help pay for all your new weapons and military actions, and they will gladly thank you for it."

    1. We already have many enemies and troops are deployed all around the world. If we really needed some type of war for budget then how come the offense into Iraq took only a few days. Why not make the war last a while so they can keep getting more money.
    2. People are far from united and the White House has done a horrible job at preventing that. Everyone understands that concept.
    3. President Bush is the main sponser and the one who passed those tax cuts a few years back that so many liberals were against. He is the one fighting to make them permanent as well.

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    roller_03 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 1:54 pm
    And btw,
    Why should I listen to what any "Nazi butthole" has to say. Not only are they a Nazi, but they lost as well. America beat them.
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    mjsmoose Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 3:38 pm
    No matter how much some of you argue, you`re still stupid f*cking c*nts for believing this conspiracy theory sh*t.
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    fk Male 70 & Over
    953 posts
    March 30, 2006 at 4:30 pm
    mjsmoose...get back on your six-pack medication already. you`ll feel better. (that aside, I can`t believe he hasn`t gotten banned yet.)
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    mjsmoose Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 4:49 pm
    On 3/30/2006 4:30:39 PM fk wrote: mjsmoose...get back on your six-pack medication already. you`ll feel better. (that aside, I can`t believe he hasn`t gotten banned yet.)

    I`m not the one who needs medication, its the people who feel the need to make everything into a massive conspiracy.

    You people disohonor the lives that were lost by coming up with stupid theories about massive coverups and government complicity.

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    roller_03 Male 18-29
    40 posts
    March 30, 2006 at 5:47 pm
    I agree, but those that believe the theories will most likely never see it that way. Many of them feel they are doing the nation and others a good service.
    Although, I do feel that it is completely within their right to speak there mind even if it is disrespectful.
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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
    31 posts
    March 30, 2006 at 6:18 pm
    Roller:
    Bush has been sweeping with the tax cuts, true. He`s also been spending money like its going out of style. I guess that`s Bushonomics 101; tax less, spend more, run away when the repo men show up.
    Mjsmoose:
    To blindly accept the word of a government, without questioning its intentions or integrity is not patriotism; it`s fascism.
    To me NOTHING is more disrespectful to those who lost their lives on 9-11 that to sit by idly and not demand the truth. If someone you cared about was senselessly murdered, wouldn`t you demand to know by whom, and why? To do any less would be betrayel.
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2006 at 9:10 pm
    ^^ You are assuming that those who don`t agree with the conspiracy theorists accept the word of the government without questioning its intentions or integrity?
    That`s bold, and narcissistic of you.
    Just because one disagrees with the conspiracy theory doesn`t mean that one hasn`t raised questions themselves.
    "Demanding the truth" does not necessarily HAVE to agree with your opinion of it.
    The truth is sometimes more simple and far less shady than the paranoid wish to believe.
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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
    31 posts
    March 30, 2006 at 9:24 pm
    You assume there is just one theory. As usual, there are plenty. The one thing they all do have in common is that they take all or part of the offical story of 9-11 as false.
    To believe that more than one individual in the government acted in concert to obscure or distort the events of 9-11 is to belive in a conspriracy, by definition.
    Believe or don`t believe my particular theories about 9-11. They are just the musings of one person, and I`ve invited anyone and everyone to shoot holes in them.
    What I don`t understand is how violently angry people get when others dare to question the word of the government.
    Governments lie to their people. All governments. It is the duty of the people to distill the truth, even if they can`t always agree on it.
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2006 at 10:25 pm
    I agree that no government is 100% truthful and/or altruistic. But neither is any government 100% evil.
    I have never gotten angry at anyone for questioning the word of the government. I`ve gotten angry at people painting me and others who don`t believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the U.S. government as gullible idiots and sheep.
    Coming up with plausible scenarios about why something happened the way it happened is NOT evidence. One could spend their entire life chasing the tail of logic around and around.
    Example: I`ve come to the conclusion that Bin Laden not only orchestrated the attacks, but he also made it look as if our government was somehow involved. Why? Well, any idiot knows that he wants nothing more than to have the citizens of the U.S. turn against their government. Therefore, he sowed the seeds of mistrust by making the attack look somehow like a conspiracy.
    But I do have to say that I admire your ability to have a discussion without resorting to flaming, MaH
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    Sabre200000 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2006 at 11:39 pm
    Here`s my argument. First I think some things were covered up, but not the actual attacks. I don`t even have to talk about the actual events to prove it...just look at this below.

    Why?

    1:Bin Laden is Real.

    2:Laden Recorded a Live Video of himself prior to the attack talking about it and praising his men.

    3.Laden names men associated with the attack in a video before the attack, this video is shown after the attacks are successful.

    4. These videos originate and show for the first time in the middle east from stations severely controlled by middleastern powers.

    5. How the he** do you explain that?????^

    enough said :)

    These conspiracy people are idiots..or maybe they think Bin Laden isn`t a real person?!

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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
    31 posts
    March 30, 2006 at 11:45 pm
    Thanks, Eno. Yes, it`s tough to keep from getting emotional when talking about this, but I am actually enjoying the back & forth on this thread! Re: Your theory. Is there some specific piece of information (or disinformation) that leads you to believe Bin Laden sowed the seeds of distrust, as you put it?
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    MaHaBone Male 30-39
    31 posts
    March 30, 2006 at 11:54 pm
    Sabre-
    If we are thinking of the same video, there are several discrepencies that lead many to believe that is not in fact Bin Laden. The Bin Laden in that tape-
    Is seen writing with his right hand (Bin Laden is left-handed)
    Is wearing a gold ring (forbidden by Islam)
    Looks a bit healthier and fleshier that Bin Laden usually looks.
    Also, there`s this quote-
    "The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every . I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons."

    - Osama bin Laden, days after 9/11/2001, from a statement to al Jazeera.

    Of course, its not only possible but probable that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda would put out contradictory information to create confusion. However, this man doesn`t seem quite that eager to claim credit. He also seems to have a Road Runner-like knack for evading capture, even when he comes out of hiding to check into

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    Enohead Male 40-49
    1587 posts
    March 31, 2006 at 8:44 am
    MaHa -
    Well, I don`t really believe my "theory" - I was merely pulling a scenario out of my ass and the supporting it with "reasons" why it would happen. Which is what I think a good portion of the conspiracy theories seem to be. I admit that there are anamolies as far as how things happened vs. how you`d expect them to happen (the pentagon, the towers, etc).
    But that happens every day. Someone who wasn`t wearing a seatbelt will walk away from a 50 mph car crash, while someone else who WAS wearing one will die in a 30 mph crash. Does this mean the auto industry is involved in a conspiracy? No. It merely means that there a thousands and thousands of intagibles when it comes to physics.
  86. Profile photo of MaHaBone
    MaHaBone Male 30-39
    31 posts
    March 31, 2006 at 12:20 pm
    So what you are basiclly talking about is circumstantial evidence, right? Even in a trial, enough circumstantial evidence can be damning. Lets make a short list-
    1. 3 hi-rises collapse spontaneously from fire, a first in human history.
    2. Even the cool, steel & concrete lower floors collapsing at FREEFALL speed.
    3. the black boxes don`t survive, but one of the terrorist`s passports does.
    4. Record numbers of put options on United and AA in the days before 9-11.
    5. Bomb sniffing dogs removed from the WTC 2 weeks before the attacks.
    6. The mass of eyewitness and news testimony of
    -multiple explosions ALL OVER the WTC, including the lobby and sublevels
    -the planes being non-commercial/cargo
    -a NYFD chief somehow weathering the "steel melting" fires on the 78th floor.
    -mediocre/poor hijack pilots performing virtually impossible maneuvers in 757s

    And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Go, research, read the anomalies. You talk about

  87. Profile photo of MaHaBone
    MaHaBone Male 30-39
    31 posts
    March 31, 2006 at 9:21 pm
    Sabre-
    If we are thinking of the same video, there are several discrepencies that lead many to believe that is not in fact Bin Laden. The Bin Laden in that tape-
    Is seen writing with his right hand (Bin Laden is left-handed)
    Is wearing a gold ring (forbidden by Islam)
    Looks a bit healthier and fleshier that Bin Laden usually looks.
    Also, there`s this quote-
    "The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every . I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons."

    - Osama bin Laden, days after 9/11/2001, from a statement to al Jazeera.

    Of course, its not only possible but probable that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda would put out contradictory information to create confusion. However, this man doesn`t seem quite that eager to claim credit. He also seems to have a Road Runner-like knack for evading capture, even when he comes out of hiding to check into

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    TruTexasGirl Female 18-29
    415 posts
    April 1, 2006 at 2:37 am
    charlie sheen is a whackjob
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    Hydrotaoist Male 18-29
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    April 1, 2006 at 5:12 am
    ALL of the naysayers have not answered what happend to builindg 7!!. MAYBE just maybe the two towers did callapse from the plane but building 7 WAS NOT HIT BY A PLANE. What dont you get about this? It had fire on one or two floors and just dropped out of the air. You may be able to argue that the two towers that got hit could of callapsed from the plane and fire. But building 7 was NOT HIT. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY A STEEL BUILDING CALLAPSES just from a fire on one or two floors?

    AS far as the other two towers go dont you think if a tower gets whacked by a MASSIVE plane on one side of the building it would TILT to the weakend side first? The top half fell STRAIT down on to the other part of the building.

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