Face Transplant Recipient Out in Public

Submitted by: buddy 11 years ago in
http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,17967407%5E950,00.html

Yes, there is a picture.
There are 84 comments:
Female 673
Twist_13, you are being a jerk. I think if someone really needed it, I wouldn`t be completely opposed to someone using my face (as long as I`m dead first and all that) but I do understand what Overmann`s saying. And I don`t think it`s a good enough reason to not have face transplants at all if the parties are all willing, but he`s not saying that, he`s just saying why he, himself, is uncomfortable with it. And it`s a valid reason, and true. It has nothing to do with vanity as he`s already mentioned, and it has even less to do with twins which is completely off the topic.
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Female 120
What is the big deal? She has someone`s face(Which probably doesn`t look like the original)and she tried to kill herself. Well, better close the suicide ward- wouldn`t want anyone to live...Didn`t anyone consider the fact that maybe her life sucked? She was a druggie and wanted to die. How can we judge her? Are you perfect? Should we let all drug addicts die? It`s quite sad...actually. Yes, she caused it herself in many ways but all of the stupid crap that hurts all of us is caused by ourselves,too. Should we all be cold about eachother`s plites?

Just seems to me that no one has the right to say if she deserved it or not. It`s done...someone lives while someone died. Why get into hysterics about it?

And WTF does her smoking have to do with anything? Are smokers less deserving? Hell, if my face had been eaten off by my dog- I wouldn`t just be smoking cigarretes...I`d be chiefing.

And that`s simply my opinion.

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Female 141
hmm...the whole wearing sum1 else`s face reminds me of that texas chainsaw movie...creepy
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Male 2,600
Sure, that`s why this lady is getting all the attention right now. But what you`re missing is that it`s someone elses` face (whether that person is deceased or not) meaning this recipient is usurping a portion of that person`s identity, at least physically.
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Female 32
BLAH! "I come for the wuggas, but stay for the jiggy juggas... Puh."
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Female 32
Sometimes I wonder why my life is so pathetic that I have to stoop down to going on this website almost every hour. Then I wonder why I actually read these crazy articles. But most of all, I wonder why I read the comments, following the articles and games and weird stuff...? I mean, it is amusing but it`s all the same every single time. It gets quite boring after a while, but for some reason, you can`t stop reading till the very last freakin` comment. I really need to get a life.
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Male 2,600
I was waiting for one of you to bring up identical twins. My response is that identical twins are unique in their own right in that (can you guess?) they share their physical appearance. That`s what sets them apart (at least physically) from everyone else. My uniqueness is my appearance (face) is shared by no one else. A twins` uniqueness is that they share their appearance with one other. I hope I explained that simply enough and further hope that you`ll stop misinterpreting my opinion as vanity.

Edit: Are you suggesting we kill people because of their uniqueness, Twist_13? (Because, believe it or not, twins are unique.)

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Female 531
That`s amazing. Really and truly amazing.
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Male 64
Well Overmann, we best start killing identical twins as well too. Would not one of those sneaky bastards out there looking like someone else.
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Female 102
personally, i wud be soooooo creeped out by having some poor dead persons face and it dosnt really help that the nice chap in person was a suicide victem....
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Male 226
Wow. I was pretty sure that after the procedure they said she wanted to remain anonymous . . . I`m surprised she changed her mind.
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Male 2,600
Twist_13, perhaps you misunderstood. When you think about it, the face is the most distinguishing physical characteristic about any average person. With it, you can recognize anyone for who they are at a glance. That is why it is important it remains unique to each individual. This has nothing to do with vanity.
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Female 369
she still fugly dammn! poor lady no wonder she went back to chain smoking , her face isnt hers, her face is the face of a woman who fudgeing killed herself how depressing! she probably has nightmarers about that chick
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Female 673
It`s not about who DESERVES it more. If we start judging on "Who deserves it and who doesn`t" ... means we`ll start making judgements on who we will save and who we will let die based on how nice a person they are rather than who needs the treatment more, or the quickest. It`s not a decision we should be allowed to make. We help who we can, and we don`t deny treatment to someone just because they are depressed.
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Male 64
[quote]On 1/31/2006 3:06:11 PM Overmann wrote: To me, my face is the most physical personal thing about me, and I wouldn`t want anyone using it as a part of their identity... My argument is exclusive to the `face`, the most unique and personal possession anyone is born with.[/quote]

That has to be one of the most vain things I have ever heard in my life. If your "face" is the most unique thing that you have, you as sorely missing out on life and the ability we have. Sheep to the slaughter...

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Male 64
Guess every one with transplanted organs best return those as well, wouldnt wantAVDPhoenix to think they werent "right".

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Female 15,763
AVDphoenix, what do you mean it`s "not right"?
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Male 31
yeah id tap that...right off the face of the earth

ooooooooooo dayum!

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Male 1,521
Terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!! It`s so weird and creepy! Crazy scientists, I find it wrong all this Frankenstein busines! It`s just not right to walk arond with somebody elses face! Poor woman! I do not understand how come her bloody dog ate her face!!!!! Isn`t that just fcng Crazy??????
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Male 1,550
i wish i had another face
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Female 165
While I`m impressed by the medical feat, I`m more curious about the dog. WTF Fido?! That`s gratitude for you!
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Male 1,066
whoa wtf...
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Male 378
thats a bit boring init?
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Female 1,403
Dulaps.
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Male 28
... interesting
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Male 2,600
Well they can`t cut sections of your personality off and stitch them to someone else, now can they? As far as physical identity goes, that`s a different story.
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Male 730
^i concur. if your indentity is based around your physical appearence you couldnt be much to talk to. and anyway, i would want my stunning good looks to live as long as possible. it would be my contribution to the good of humanity. im SO DAMN SEXY...not really.
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Male 2,600
I`m sorry you think so, Targo. I think you`re trying to find some deeper meaning in my comments and came to a false conclusion.
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Female 280
Something isn`t right.....They don`t tell who donated anything......I wouldn`t think they would know who the donor was?????
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Female 5
I wouldn`t be able to live with that face knowing that part of the face I now have is from a girl who commited suicide. Just looking at that bit of face creeps me out so bad.
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Male 2,600
neetfreek, I doubt they would even consider transplanting my face to someone else`s head that didn`t have a similar bone structure. I`m sure you can imagine what a large face folded onto a small head would look like, or vice versa.
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Female 223
It`s not that she dosn`t deserve medical care because of her being a smoker, but she has a new face, you`d think she`d be a little less numb about it. she seems to be ungreatful and obliviant (sp?).

This is without a doubt an amazing medical breakthrough. but I too think they should have found someone a little more in need. akthough now they experimented it on her and if it had gone wrong, at least it wouldn`t hurt some poor burn victim.

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Female 36
I want a before/after shot. That must be a werid feeling, having someone else`s face.
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Female 328
a bit loose, although a great medical accomplishment
and just because she doesn`t live a perfect life, she doesn`t deserve to be able to wake up in the morning with a normal face? if that`s the case then I don`t know anyone who would deserve it...
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Female 21
What does the smoking thing have to do with anything?

Should smokers be denied all medical care now?

As for the circumstances which placed her in the situation: Are those who attempt suicide and survive not allowed a second chance at life?

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Male 1,808
new mouth basicly.
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Female 879
It would freak me out to have someones face on , like the Devil`s Rejects....
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Female 119
a face has a bone structure behind it. I hardley think that your face on someone else would look like you...
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Male 2,600
Some may not think alike, but I just don`t envision there will ever exist a face transplant form authorizing the individual use of someone`s nose, lips, eyebrows, etc. with a checkbox. Meaning... if I were to sign up as an organ donor, and authorize my face being used for face transplantation, there`s nothing to prevent a doctor from using my whole face. To me, my face is the most physical personal thing about me, and I wouldn`t want anyone using it as a part of their identity. Damn that sentence sounds weird. Where will science go next?

I`m not talking about skin being exempt from transplantation - this is already prevalent in practice. My argument is exclusive to the `face`, the most unique and personal possession anyone is born with.

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Female 216
I had a friend who got mauled in the face by her pet dalmatian. It just went crazy one day. It really messed her up, too. Broke her nose. She healed and looks fine now, though. I can`t imagine how horrible it would be to have your entire lower face ripped off by a dog. Ugh. I hope she at least couldn`t feel it.

Too bad she had to start smoking again.

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Male 586
Well, alrighty, then!
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Female 158
No before?


Suckage

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Female 1,784
eww... its liek the movie Face Off with John Travolta and Nick Cage
gross imagion were those lips have been. so wrong
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Male 390
did anyone think about how long she had no face? (well, i mean a face that was realy badly torn up from the dog attack) poor woman :-(
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Male 64
God forbid any of you nay sayers ever need medical help...
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Male 237
Circumstances aside, as someone from the medical profession, I find this amazing. This is most definitely a HUGE step for prosthetic surgery and rehabilitation. Props to the surgeons, well done Frenchy!

-dunc

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Male 82
i for one rea that as transportation for some reason and thought we`d see a face in a cooler...crap.
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Male 1,083
Damn sciencefiction meets reality. Face off is actually real now . And plus I think she looks awesome for just less than a year of recuperation.
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Female 119
No one is perfect. Maybe she had a lot of problems and tried to commit suicide but that doesn`t mean she`s a bad person.
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Male 1
Really Interesting Article. Very brave woman. Sounds auful(attack). 50 surgeons, wow!
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Female 231
You guys should seriously go into bioethics. I find it fascinating how a group of trained people with knowledge about medical ethics and with full information about a patient`s situation can agonize over an ethical dilemma like who`s worthy of receiving a transplant....while you can just jump to the answer after reading an article from the Sunday Times. It`s an amazing skill, really.
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Male 536
when i go for a walk i never get this much fuss or debate...
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Female 406
another reason i hate dogs...
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Female 335
^ the lady that has already recieved the transplant recieved the deceased persons lips and nose, there will be a day where they use the entire face and except for the overall face shape, they could look a lot like the donor..

thats the french for you i guess, ignorant! at least the american is deserving.. just a thought, dont majority of french smoke?

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Male 577
It wouldn`t make her look like the dead person, no matter how much of the old face they used. The skin would be new skin, but the old bone structure, so it would look like a third, different person.

And I agree that she was not the most deserving candidate. I saw something on Discovery Health though, that said there are two teams of doctors attempting face transplants. Obviously the French team got there first, but the American team is still working and the candidate they`ve chosen is a woman who was burned fleeing a building at 9/11.

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Male 53
My abnormal psychotic powers of foretelling the future tell me that this face transplant will end up as just a face plant somewhere having to do with concrete...and a jackhammer.
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Female 335
^ yeh its basically a skin graft, they could however add face to the donor form.. if your taking someones nose or lips theres no problems, i think itd b freaky if they used it to make you look exactly like the deceased person
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Female 39
"Face transplantation should be illegal. It raises too many ethical questions, in my book. And yes, in this case, she did not deserve the new "face"."

Why should it be illegal? If a person who dies is an organ donor, and skin is an organ (yes, it is) why should that be exempt?
What ethical questions does it raise?
I don`t think this should be illegal, by any stretch of the imagination, but there should be a rigorous screening before candidates are chosen.

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Female 335
^ thats exactly what shes doing
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Female 504
it just horrible shes basically wearing a dead persons face.....ick
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Male 2,600
Face transplantation should be illegal. It raises too many ethical questions, in my book. And yes, in this case, she did not deserve the new "face".
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Female 335
its got nothing to do with depression, the fact shes not grateful, she smokes and had a drug overdose is enough reason.. a burns victim would have been more deserving
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Female 189
I`m not sure I agree with the opinion that because she was suicidal she doesn`t deserve a face. Sure she may have wanted to kill herself, but with the other infomation in this it sounds like she may have had depression. I`m not saying just because she may have had depression she deserves it more than other people, just that she may have had problems, and people shouldn`t look down their noses at people just because they have depression or whatever.
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Female 588
that`s an amazing piece of medical work.
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Male 407
Why`d they waste a real face? Couldn`t they have given her the "Michael Jackson"? You know with all the plastic and junk.
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Female 215
Maybe it`s because of that, the first real one was performed on her? But that reason is not very ethical.
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Male 206
^^^ True dat, true dat
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Female 335
isnt there someone more deserving out there, like a burns victim... shes suicidal, a druggie, a smoker and seems very ungrateful
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Female 57
Happy slapping got banned at my old school after someone ended up in hospital. I think that the woman deserves a face, but should not get a second chance at it if she f**ks that one up. I thought it was gonna be a gross pic. I was so disappointed- I had even positioned my mouth so it wa sprotected from the bad germs. :-?
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Male 5
she`s not even fully recovered, and already chain smoking. I honestly HOPE her body rejects the face.
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Female 192
That`s messed up. So`s the happy-slapping article I read from the bottom of the page, but this is just wierd.
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Male 221
There is something deeply disturbing about it. Also, if her body rejects the new face, what are they going to do then? It doesn`t bear thinking about.
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Female 54
Well maybe the dog didn`t eat her face... but still scary if i ever take a drug over dose the dog is well and truely gonna be locked outside...
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Female 54
Very interesting article tho did remind me a little of Hannibal the canibal the part about the dog eating her face.......gross!!!!
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Female 982
^I do.
50 surgeons! Wow.
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Female 103
does anybody else find "the donated face of suicide Maryline Saint-Aubert" to be more than a little disturbing?
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Male 38
Yeah, she looks alot better than I expected.
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Male 278
i was expecting the picture to be of her ripped up face
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Female 2,244
What a creepy woman.
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Female 2,144
It Does Look Kinda Loose.
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Male 133
Lovely...
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Female 1,972
The woman`s story is interesting...but I am troubled by the fact that she is back to chain smoking again while still in hospital, and the possibility going back on drugs seems likely. I fear we will be getting less than positive news about the face tranplant lady in the near future if she fails to get a grip on the negativity/inactivity within and embrace life.
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Male 2,567
.............
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Male 10,115
Link: Face Transplant Recipient Out in Public [Rate Link] - Yes, there is a picture.
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