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  1. Profile photo of KikiPeepers
    KikiPeepers Female 30-39
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    October 5, 2005 at 1:46 pm
    Link: World`s Greatest Skylines - The 15 best skylines in the world, according to some guy

    Hong Kong`s is neat!

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    _Snoopy_ Female 13-17
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    October 5, 2005 at 2:09 pm
    Some of them look like video game art...
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    grade4 Female 13-17
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    October 5, 2005 at 2:20 pm
    NY`s 4th! wOOt!
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    KikiPeepers Female 30-39
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    October 5, 2005 at 2:35 pm
    On 10/5/2005 2:09:39 PM _Snoopy_ wrote: Some of them look like video game art...

    I know, all those Asian ones are so neon and glitzy, it`s kind of cool

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    rolez Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 2:46 am
    they`re cool, especially the eastern ones. Where`s london on the list? You`d think it would be there somewhere, with the houses of parliment, big ben, the london eye and all the rest of it...
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2005 at 3:16 am
    Well until some bad human beings took these down, you could not convince me of a better skyline
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    sgdp Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 4:01 am
    I so agree with number 2. Chicago should have been number 1, though. :-D. Until you`ve been there, you will never appreciate how beautifl it is.
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    hottlava Female 30-39
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    October 6, 2005 at 8:25 am
    Although I now live in the boonies, I`m still a city girl at heart. I love those pics!
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    wild_monkeys Female 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 12:04 pm
    umm..... where is edinburgh. that is the best city ever
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    mintyboy3000 Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 12:21 pm
    not being rude wild_monkeys, Edinburgh is a lovely city, but is there a single tall building there??
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 12:58 pm
    theBSR : Could you stop posting your dumb, blinded US patriotism in evry post? I am sick and tired of you wanted to remind everyone everytime how the US is so much the best in the world! F*uck You!
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    ainur Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 1:31 pm
    I cant believe he wrote São Paulo as Sao Paolo
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    theartie Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2005 at 2:22 pm
    I agree Pielle...America is terrible. Just because we created 1)the computer 2)modern medicine 3)the automobile 4) the airplane 5)TV 6) the internets. Also America was the reason the allies won WWII. (BTW Germany did not attack us so why did we declare war on them and end up winning the war and ensuring that the British/French aren’t speaking German) America also gave ships, tanks, food to you British during WWII. Americans donate the most amount of money to other countries when they are in need. America donated the most money to the tsunami victims. We helped out in Kosovo, we gave Iraqi’s freedom to choose their own leaders, Granada, etc. So before you go bashing America make sure your facts are straight
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    whatup09 Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 2:28 pm
    uh....first post....
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    Rammstein221 Male 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 3:43 pm
    YAY AMERICA... (dubai looks better than new york any day though).
  16. Profile photo of wild_monkeys
    wild_monkeys Female 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 4:12 pm
    edinburgh has the castle. and princess street looks great from a distance. and there are the tower blocks in costorphine and burdiehouse. buildings dont have to be tall to be beautiful
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    wild_monkeys Female 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 4:12 pm
    oo. and there is the forth road and rail bridge. they are stunning
  18. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2005 at 4:20 pm
    Pielle go eat some smarties or something, you don`t like my post`s then don`t read em` ya hoser
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2005 at 4:26 pm
    Don`t be jealous my little neighbor(neighbour in Canadian) from the north
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    TokenBabe Female 30-39
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    October 6, 2005 at 5:24 pm
    I love the Toronto Skyline! I love driving along the QEW and looking out over Lake Ontario and on a clear day being able to see what seems like EVERY building, big and small. You people can argue back and forth all you like....I know how lucky I am to live in Canada. Yea, Toronto Skyline!
  21. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2005 at 6:29 pm
    There is nothing wrong with loving your skyline, thats what this whole post was about
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    jimbodahobo Male 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 7:13 pm
    been to chicago a few times pretty but not that amazing
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    mooseyfate Male 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 7:47 pm
    I smell a debate (NOTE: `debate` is used very loosley here) about how everyone`s country is the best!
    300 replies that have nothing to do with the post here we come!
  24. Profile photo of mooseyfate
    mooseyfate Male 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 7:47 pm
    loosely*
    so some idiot doesn`t call me a "drating retard"
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    Junimond Female 13-17
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    October 6, 2005 at 9:54 pm
    Out of those pictures... I like Chicago`s skyline best.
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    mjsmoose Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 10:02 pm
    On 10/6/2005 2:22:57 PM theartie wrote: I agree Pielle...America is terrible. Just because we created 1)the computer 2)modern medicine 3)the automobile 4) the airplane 5)TV 6) the internets...
    If you`re going to make an argument at least get your facts right, Germany declared war on us, your argument that we created modern medicine is really debateable, and Granada is a city in Spain, we kicked the Cubans out Grenada.
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    TheFezzik Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 10:31 pm
    I think San Francisco should be on the list. And also in response to "theartie" America didn`t invent the automobile. Karl Benz from Germany did that. And the internet shouldn`t be plural in your statement.
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    MidoriBug Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2005 at 10:36 pm
    I liked Tokyo Japan`s skyline the best out of those pictures.
  29. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2005 at 12:11 am
    Dont get me wrong here! That post wasnt anti-american, I strongly believe that the USA has brought a lot of good to this world. No other country has brought that much inovation and industrial output power to the world, has done as much for occidental quality of life. But dont forget that others did a lot also, namely Germany who alaways invested a lot of its efforts in developing science. As cited in NATURE (i think) the scientific discovery that most influenced our lives is the Haber-Bosch process (sythesis of aminia --- fertilizers) to which we owe minimal dependence on agriculture; developed by Germans during WWI. Anyways my points isnt in which coutry is the best, I is simply that I despise people who keep saying that thier country is the best in evry fecking subject, this people are blinded debat killers and are actulay killing democracy in thier way of saying that evrything that isnt what they say is wrong. My post was personaly against theBSR, who, not only in this tread
  30. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
    201 posts
    October 7, 2005 at 12:13 am
    is alaways bringing back 911 as an arguement for evrything, there is no way in talking with these people, they are obtus and I hate them.. f*uck you again theBSR, you are the people that makes this world a worst place by infringing the right of people to bear other opinions.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2005 at 12:14 am

  32. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2005 at 12:15 am
    I was bearing my opinion and your telling me I can`t in essence, so who sir is infringing on who sir?
  33. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
    201 posts
    October 7, 2005 at 12:15 am
    Nothing is as black and white as this text in this background...
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2005 at 12:27 am
    http://images.southparkstudios.com/media...
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    shockrifying Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2005 at 6:52 am
    oh my god!!!get over it guys, get your heads outa your asses!!!your both complete idiots!bsr stop imposing you patriotism on everyone,huge pictures are incrediably annoying and pielle stop being so arguing so agressively!!
  36. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
    201 posts
    October 7, 2005 at 11:02 am
    I know I am agressive... but try living in Canada, and you will see that asses like theBSR are really present here and are imposing thier way of life by force... they are literaly having a significant influence on my living and that is why I hate them... keep you fu*king american politics in your country (BTW that is what the whole world is asking for) you dont own the truth!
  37. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
    992 posts
    October 7, 2005 at 4:54 pm
    Yes my people are replacing Smarties with M&m`s and Timmothy Horton`s with Starbuck`s as we speak. Oh and we buried Jimmy Hoffa under the Falls. *Twilight Zone Music gets louder*
  38. Profile photo of Lou Two
    Lou Two Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2005 at 5:20 pm
    Dubai looks awesome
  39. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2005 at 5:23 pm
    I am more talking about our Marijuana decriminalisation law that didnt pass because Bush posed his ``veto`` that is total ingerence in forein affairs!! I am not talking about cultural and economic invasion...FY
  40. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2005 at 1:08 am
    Sorry our negative influence prevented kids from doing illegal drugs legally. We are animals, I`m so sorry
  41. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2005 at 2:06 pm
    You see thats exactly what I was saying.. you think your vision is the best and that it should apply to us... you dont have ANY consideration for other peoples oppinions, even from abroad and applying abroad... mind your own buisness,would you?
  42. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2005 at 2:08 pm
    You are seriously a pain in the world`s ass!!
  43. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2005 at 3:28 pm
    Are you any different? Where is your consideration for my opinions? I believe you started with the Lance "Drug_head" Armstrong comment. That was a real "considerate" comment
  44. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2005 at 3:32 pm
    I think its incredibly hypocritical that you call someone a "drug-head" but are upset because you didn`t get your drug of choice legalized. Call me crazy
  45. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2005 at 7:02 pm
    The thing with consideration is that I condider your full right of audodetermination in your country, and I respect that. I also respect your liberty of opinion, its just that I dont consider "USA is the best, and STFU cuz we got 911" an opinion. I know about that, evry body knows about that and there is no need to repeat it evry other comment. About Lance Armstrong : you brought him as a model, an example of US glory and supremacy over other countries... Even if drugs were legal I wouldnt like a leader, model to be known to be on drugs, I dont think drugs are good. I just wanted to show that your shining star wasnt that shiny after all. About my opinion on drugs : you got me all wrong, exactly like those who got our government to back off on marijuana legislation. I dont think people should do drugs or should be encourage to, I just think that someone who gets caught with 1g of pot shoudlt get a criminal record. Thats exaclty what that legislation was about :
  46. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 9, 2005 at 7:08 pm
    people who were caught with less then 15 g of pot whould get a fine, for possesion, but no criminal record, people who got caught with more would still get a criminal record. That was the main point of this law, removing the absurde from a law that wasnt applied by police most of the time. Most Polititians admit to have smoked pot, 70% of the populaiton has admited of smoking pot. But still this gives some poeple criminal records and that is totaly absurd! BTW, some states in the US have already decriminalized marijuana. But when we wanted to pass the law, the US federal goverment said it was against it and we never heard of it again... Thats why I hate blinded conservatism, they dont look at the other factors, only thier opinion counts and they impose it to others if there are strong enought... I jsut cant think that is alright, it is totaly anti-democratic.
  47. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2005 at 8:29 pm
    Your confusing rumor with fact with Lance Armstrong. You want to believe it to be true because you hate the fact that he is the best and coincidentally is American. He is a role model and that does not get taken away because some French non-nice individual is jealous that an American is winning his country`s race. And you say you don`t encourage drug use but the slightest amount of tolerance encourages greatly. It is the stepping stone to the next stage of drug use. For most hardcore drug users that`s where it began, with "its just a little pot". Generally in life if you give an inch, they try to take a mile. This is especially true with druggies. Zero tolerance is the best way, in my opinion to combat drug use.
  48. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 9, 2005 at 8:48 pm
    The post your referring to was about skylines, I was just stating that our skyline was missing a major part of what made it so beautiful. That happened because of 9/11. When did I say STFU cause we got 9/11? Your the one who attacked my patriotism in the world flags post. I`m not going to not be patriotic to please anyone. I love my country, I think it is the greatest and I would NEVER say different. If your not patriotic about your country that`s your problem. If you don`t like my opinion move on, ignore me, learn to deal with your emotions.
  49. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 10, 2005 at 4:05 pm
    Well, what you call a "rumor" is actualy scientific evidence, the scientific evidence hasnt been coroborated by another lab so it isnt clear enough for procecution but it is scientific evidence. Anyways, ask any specialist of cyclism, he will tell you that what Lance Armstrong is doing is impossible without EPO, and they will tell you exactly when did Lance started to take the substance. Cyclism is plaged with drug taking and EVRY one of the top cyclist is druged, no human being could have done what they did without drugs. Still Lance Armstrong is the best cyclist since a LONG time, and he is still better thant the others who also take drugs. But the whole world of sports is plagued with drugs and we should be carfull with our models. Thats all... You still dont get it with Mariajuana legistaltion dont you? I disagree strongly with your opinion and I dont think our opinions are reconcilabliable... but that is NOT the point. You can think whatever you want about the dr
  50. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 10, 2005 at 4:10 pm
    drug war and its consequences, but keep it for your local politics... your opinion shoudnt have any weight in Canadian politics, it is anti-democratic, would you like canada having something to say in US legislation, i guess not... respect what canadians, in canada think. About your patriotism : Any opinion repeated to many times is an anyance for other as it becomes propaganda, aspeacialy when you multi-post a lot of pictures, this is just disrespectfull for others, and anoying, please restrict to a decent respectfull space when you post on your patritism, anything else is considered VERY arogant.
  51. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2005 at 1:43 am
    Stop whining like a little girl already, move on jeeze.

  52. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2005 at 1:47 am

  53. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 11, 2005 at 10:02 am
    Alright, you are just a dumb drat with no real thniking behind your opinions... when treatened, you virutaly use brute force to get out of it (huge invading pictures). Why would you continue this discussion if in the end your argument would be to tell me that I am a girly or whatever... like evry republican has already insulted democrats with this.. you are totaly unimaginative. You hide your stupidity behind US glory, you think you are great because you are part of it, but taken individualy, you are a big drating looser!
  54. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2005 at 12:55 pm
    First off if your going to have an intelligent conversation, be legible. Secondly, you were toast in this argument a week ago. Brute force is posting large pictures? lol you have some conspiracy issues my illegible Canadian friend.
  55. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2005 at 1:05 pm
    This is a "fun" website, you are allowed to post whatever you want. The pictures I post are all within anything allowed on this site, nothing obscene. If you find it obscene, that`s your problem. I suggest you stop going online here if these things go to your head.
  56. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 11, 2005 at 1:14 pm
    Sory for the legibility but english is not my first language, nor that I use it every day. Do you know more than three words in any foreing language? What do you mean I was toast? I just stopped reading the other thread after posting in it.. anyways, if you want to know, I dont identify myself to Ben Johnson, no more that I think that what he should be excused for what he did. And btw tell me who invented terrorism? I know the Irish were terrorists long before the arabs... Anyways, people thinking like you have been a great part in the death of more then 100000 Iraqis ans I think you should be blamed for that... remember when Powell went to the UN with his fake proofs of WMD? For supporting the war? I am sure you were in the first line supporting this kind of thing... Posting what you post is not just "fun" it has a lot of implications and reminessence of an unlawfull war causing the death of to many people...
  57. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2005 at 6:53 pm
    Actually I speak fluent Greek, but anyway......Fake claims of wmd`s? The UN said he had em`, BJ Clinton said he had em`, hell even Saddam said he had em`! You weren`t so concerned about the hundred`s of thousands of mass murdered Iraqi`s that Saddam and Sons took care of. You do know Saddam had gassed his own people right? You do know that Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran right? So instead of concentrating on the small fact that no weapons were found, how about concentrating on the fact that he could of prevented the LEGAL war simply by allowing inspectors check out his facilities. No, you want to spout off the same lie the liberals have been spouting for years. Bush lied, Iraq was a sovereign nation and (my favorite) the War is for oil! That`s why we are paying $3 a gallon for gas. Anything else you want squashed?
  58. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 11, 2005 at 9:44 pm
    Your bullsh*it isnt hard enough to squash anything... I know all of what you talk about, I know that Saddam, like evry dictator is a magalomaniac and that he gassed his own people and that he did a lot of awfull things... there is no excuse for all those things but I am pretty sure that the Iraqis prefered Saddam to what they have now. Before, they didnt have freedom of speach, they coudnt talk about politics but despite of that were relatively decent living normal lives, had a good health and education system (before the embargo). Now it is total chaos, thugs and milicias control a significant portion of the country, the coalition military have caused the death of more then 26500 people (iraqbodycount) and there are terrorist attaks everry day killing thousands of people... heck, last month, onb a bridge 1000 people died because of a false alarm, 1000 people!! half of 911! In one non-event! I am sory but this is worst then gassing! This country is in chaos and
  59. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 11, 2005 at 9:52 pm
    people are affraid all the time, I am sory but chaos and constant fear is MUCH worst then a despotic dictator, a country needs law and order even if it is oppresing! You tell me it was the terorist fault, I tell you you should have known better, you should have known you didnt have the power to control Iraq after topling the Saddam. So what is next for Iraqis? They cant get along to form a constitution... They are going straight to the Islamic republic my friend, that or total chaos. Democracy is earned not imposed... some places just arnt ready... You tell me what you prefer, total chaos, constant fear or a despotic regime that lest you live if you dont speak against him?
  60. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2005 at 3:03 am
    Constant fear? You don`t think they were in constant fear? lol Your serious about that? And if they felt they were better off with him, why did they celebrate him being ousted? Why did most of the country welcome us in? Why is Saddam going to be executed by a tribunal of his own people?
    You can repeat the Michael Moore BS all you want, but it doesn`t make it true. I can keep defusing every loaded post you put up if you would like, its quick, easy and fun!
    So please, anything else you want to learn about? Post a lie and ill teach you the truth
  61. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2005 at 3:07 am
    And by the way close to 3000 people died on 9/11 not 2000. Before the war there were Hundreds of Thousands of people dying at the hands of Saddam and his lovely Sons. So if you think they are better off, OK, whatever you say, I along with any rational sane person would disagree.
  62. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2005 at 6:56 am
    How the hell do you impose freedom? lol
    US: "Hey there Mr Iraqi citizen, you are free now, you are no longer under that dictatorship"
    Iraqi: "No Mr American, you can`t force me to not have things forced upon me!"

    Hmmm, that`s a hard sell my friend

  63. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2005 at 9:40 am
    Defusing...? You just brought here what you belive was true, there isnt a single verified fact (exept form the fact that about 3000 died on 911) in what you tell me. I am not very better but hey dont talk to me about defusing! You can reapeate your conservative BS all you want, but it doesn`t make it true. Celebrated when he was ousted? Who told you that, CNN? Ah yes, I remember seeing a group af ten people holding a US flag... and anyways even if it was 10000 it woudnt be a serious servey of the population, I tell you what : the celebration was a setup. Wouhou I defused you!! Welcomed you in? In what fecking planet do you live? It took you more than a full year to get a decent control of the country, you got whole cities that were a complete warzone and you tell me they are welcoming you in? And I forget to talk about the DAILY SUICIDE BOMBINGS AIMING US MILIRARY. A tribunal of his own people? Make me laugh... there is no "people of Iraq at the moment" not in a positio
  64. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2005 at 9:48 am
    position to decide anything anyways... The people who decide at the momment are pobably the worst Saddam hatters ever, and anyways, I think you confuse a lot of things, I didnt say that Saddam was nice, nor that I say that his people liked him, what I say is that stability (whatever stability) is better then Chaos... The is a difference between random and organised violence! One of them is easier to get protection from! Ok last lesson : maybe your leaders got you to confuse those words but "Freedom" and "Democracy" are totaly not the same thing. You dont seem to understand democracy very well. In a democracy, the "people" are supposed to decide for thier own faith. Well to that to be possible you need some strict social organisation so it dosnt fall into Chaos. You need thinkers of all alegiences that can speak openly and be read by evry one in order to get to the most important thing : The public debate!
  65. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 12, 2005 at 9:54 am
    Important issued in a democracy need to be discussed on the public place, using the media like newspapers or television. There must be a clash of opinions, im witch the people can participate and finaly make a serious decision about what they want for thier future. If you dont have that basis of thinking for your future, you cant have democracy and that exactly what is happeneing in Iraq, the people dont have the nessesary mechanisms at the momment for or proper democracy so they ask God what to do --- Islamic republic, that is straight were they are going. Ok probably not cause the US wont let it but you will have total chaos instead. Well, I think I have totaly oblitareted you with the might of my arguments! I will now go squash another conservative ignorant! Since you are flabergasted by the knowledge I have infused into you and that you cant even move or speak anymore by the time you have assimilated everything!
  66. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2005 at 9:54 pm
    Actually you are boring me with your mantra. CNN? Do you think I would ever watch CNN? What kind of conservative do you take me for? You lost me about fifteen words into your psycho babble, but the gist of it is you know what my country and the Iraqi people want. As far as the suicide bombings, that is Al-Qaeda my friend, not Iraqi citizens like you tried to portray it. You know the group responsible for 9/11 that has nothing to do with Iraq? Well is it not amazing that Iraq, the country that had nothing to do with Terrorism, is where all these terrorist attacks are occurring? And you say that those greetings were staged? Kinda like how the flag burnings they do are staged? But thanks for trying to infuse me with your vast knowledge. Its quite the privilege for me to be graced with your presence
  67. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2005 at 9:59 pm
    free·dom
    n.
    The condition of being free of restraints.
    Liberty of the person from slavery, detention, or oppression.
    Political independence.
    Exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action; civil liberty: freedom of assembly.
    Exemption from an unpleasant or onerous condition: freedom from want.
    The capacity to exercise choice; free will: We have the freedom to do as we please all afternoon.
    Ease or facility of movement: loose sports clothing, giving the wearer freedom.
    Frankness or boldness; lack of modesty or reserve: the new freedom in movies and novels.

    The right to unrestricted use; full access: was given the freedom of their research facilities.
    The right of enjoying all of the privileges of membership or citizenship: the freedom of the city.
    A right or the power to engage in certain actions without control or interference:

  68. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2005 at 10:01 pm
    de·moc·ra·cy (Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
    A political or social unit that has such a government.
    The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
    Majority rule.
    The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.
  69. Profile photo of theBSR
    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 12, 2005 at 10:05 pm
    Someone who lives in a Socialist country is going to have a hard time telling Someone who lives in the best Democracy ever formed about Democracy
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 1:39 pm
    You tell me its Al-Qaeda who are doing the suicide bombings... But please tell me what exactly is Al-Qaeda? Is it an international terrorist organisation governed by Osama Bin Laden from his hidden cave? With many ressources and everything? I tell you maybe it was before september 11th.. but now, the US have confirmed that they have pretty much destroyed the core of what it was before. A lot of analyst are now saying that "Al-Qaeda" is the generic name given by the anti-US muslim terrorists around the world. Evry time one of those cells perpetrates a terrorist act, they call themselfs Al-Qaeda to stimulate the fear of the internationall terrorist organisation, but it dosnt exist anymore... Only resides the local cells who act independently. What are you telling me about Iraq? That Al-Qaeda came to Iraq after the US invesion? Thats BS! Al-Qaeda is the affiliation that the terrorist resistance in Iraq took to give themselvs importance.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 1:43 pm
    There are attaks everyday! Do you really think this is from an external imported organisation? No this is from the people of Iraq, that coudnt import that many suicide bombers in the country. I dont tell you that all, or even most of the people of Iraq are terrorists, just that Al-Qaeda in Iraq is nothing more then an extremist resistants. And be carfull with the word "Terrorism" when it is targeting Military, it is resistance, not terrorism, terrosism specificaly target civilians (like in 911).
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 1:48 pm
    Why are you giving the definitions of freedom and democracy? To contradict yourself? You see they are two seperate things right? I talked to you about freedom and you answered me about democracy, I just wanted to point out that this didnt make any sence. Now by your definition, the people of Iraq are certainly not free! They dont have the capacity to exercise choice, they dont have the freedom to wander around as they will, and they are certainly not in a democracy yet!
    Now tell me? I dont understand how Socialism opposes democracy? Does democracy has to be capitalist? Only right wing is democratic? I can tell you about a lot of undemocratic capitalist regimes and a lot of democratic socialist regimes, heck, aobut half of europe are democratic socialist regimes! I gess the people can decide that they want to be socialist!
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 2:01 pm
    So you are the best Democracy ever... well explain me why less then 50% of the people even bother to go voting? What a great democracy. You tell me you are in a system were the power is to the people and the people dont go and exercise this power, not very democratic. And then, you got Bipartism! Only two choices! That is democratic? I am sory but a true democracy resides in the plurality of choices. And then you got your great elector system which also reduces the importance of the votes to zero in certain areas. Tell me what is the power of a Democrat in Texas or a Republican in california during a presidential election? You democratic system is certainly good, but it has major flaws! Expressed by the participation of your people and the fact that you only have two parties! And please I really want to know why socialism in Canada is not democratic???
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 13, 2005 at 3:24 pm
    Democracy is the most free form of government there is. If socialism is free, why are your taxes so high, why can`t you own a gun, why can`t you just walk into a hospital and get the operation you need? I could go on, but unlike you I don`t need 14 paragraphs to answer one. And you ask why 50% of people don`t vote if we are the best form of democracy? Because they don`t have to, that`s called freedom. I recall Iraq had a hundred percent turn out the year before the war and oddly enough a hundred percent of the people voted for Saddam. Oh yeah, that`s likely! )-|
    And a little lesson for you, we are a form of Democracy, we are a Democratic-Republic a near perfect blend of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. And you ask what the power of A Dem in Texas or a Rep in California is? Well I hate to tell you but I am a Rep in NY so I think I understand this better than most people. The BSR stands for Blue State Republican.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 13, 2005 at 3:25 pm
    Our country is a Union of Statehood`s, hence the United States of America. The system allows smaller States(i.e. Rhode Island) to have more weight in comparison to a larger State(i.e. New York). The electoral votes each state has is based on the representatives it has in the House and the Senate. The reason we don`t have a National vote is because it really opens up the possibility for corruption in a per state basis. For Instance, in California they lean heavily Liberal. What if the people they had running decided to through in a few extra hundred thousand votes? Well that would make people in Alabama or any other States votes insignificant. The importance of each Local and State Government plays a huge roll in our National elections. Most people point to 2000 as an example of why this system is outdated, I see it different, I see it as the perfect example of why it does work. Can you Imagine the civil unrest as each county in the country had to be recounted over and over?
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 13, 2005 at 3:30 pm
    Because of the system we have it was isolated to one State, and within that just a few counties. If it was a national vote each Candidate would have hand picked counties all over the country to their liking to recount.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 13, 2005 at 4:00 pm
    Oh now that I`m already on a rant, About Al-Qaida in Iraq. Do you know who Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is?
    You know the Terrorist leading all the terrorist attacks in Iraq? Well he is the Al-Qaida leader in Iraq......are you deaf, dumb and blind or are you just pretending that is not the truth so you can separate the War on Terrorism and Iraq? Al-Qaida, which translated into English means "the Base" is a network of terror groups around the globe. It is not a single group, if you didn`t understand that, now you know. Are there Iraqis involved in the Terrorism going on there? Yes, they are the Bathists that were in cahoots with Saddam and lost all their power when he did. They are fighting for their lives right now because they will be tried and rightfully hung if they are around when things settle down. Oh and in case you missed it, they are voting on their Constitution this weekend. Let me guess, your going to discount that as an act for the camera`s or something?
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 13, 2005 at 4:17 pm
    And lastly about Socialism being a Democracy....you do know the Nazi`s were Socialist right?
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 4:25 pm
    Well, my friend, I think you still mix up the concept of democracy and freedom... In my country we have COLECTIVELY DECIDED that we wanted high taxes to pay for a big social net, we have collectively decided that we wanted to restrict gun ownership (contrary to what you say, it is quite easy to own a handgun in Canada if you take a course a pay for the permits) and we have collectively decided that we wanted everyone, not just the wealthy to have a right to a healh system. This was the vote of the mojority. I agree that we have limited freedoms in some fields but we have decided so colectively so we have higher freedom in other fields. You do know that in the US some areas are so poor that they would qualify for international aid? That there are 10 times more deaths by handgun in the US than in Canada? I live in downtown Montreal, there are 2 million people living on the Island and you know what, I can go anywear in my city at any time of day or night and nothing is going
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 4:32 pm
    to happen, I can walk 5 miles at 4 am in my city and nothing is going to happen, I can leave my door unlocked all night for a month and nothing will happen, how is that for freedom? I am not afraid of anything here, you know how many murders we have per year in Montreal? 50, and that includes Mobsters and conjugal murders.. that is not bad for a 2 million aglomaration right? I also know that wathever bad thing happens to me in life, that I will alaways be able to live decently and have access to health services (who are not that bad for wathever you have heard). I can also insure my belgings without having to cut in my health insurance. You know, I think overall, we have a better quality of life and are overall more free because we are not affraid and dont have to wory about so many things that you do (less stress) and all fo this is part of freedom. You can think watever you want but please dont try to tech me about democracy.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 4:39 pm
    I know your political system very well, and I think it is an example in many ways. The congress is very well tought of instutution which permits to represent states and population in the two rooms. It is a great system but it has major flaws, I noticed you didnt answer anything about Bipartism... I can also add that wenever you see the fact that 50% of the population dosnt participate in the democratic process as Freedom, I see it as a clear symptom that somthing isnt going right, lack of interest of the population can have catastrophic consequences in the long run. I know why you have the electoral college, you have shown the goods and i have shown the bads, but it is certainly not perfect!
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 4:48 pm
    I consider myself a well informed person, as there wasnt anythin that you told me that I didnt already know, I think you should stop shooting facts in my face because that is useless, you can discuss the interpretation as you will thow. And yes I know about Zarqawi, refered as the leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the fact is really little is know about this person and the organisation he represents in Iraq. I also dont want to belive one man is orchestring those dayly bombings in Iraq in so many diffrent cities, it takes a lot more then that. And you say it was only the Baathist that are orchestring the violence, I think it is true, but I also think it is not a marginal group but that they represent a lot of what the Sunni thinks and they represent 40% of the Muslims in Iraq, this is not marginal! And if you know about the constitution vote you must also know that the Shiite majority will be voting this constitution against the will of the Sunni minority?
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 4:57 pm
    BTW you can go and read the article in Wikipedia on Iraq insurgency, you will see that there is MUCH more to it then Al-Qaeda and Zarkawi. I am not dumb or blind, I am well informed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insur...
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 13, 2005 at 6:08 pm
    About your last non-argument, you do know how Sucky it is? You know that is a sophism? Nazi were socialist so socialists are Nazis? You do know Hitler was elected in a Democratic way? You also know Musolini was a capitalist? And so was Pinochet? That was Uber bull... come on you cvan do better, did you know that Hitler had a mustach? But Abraham Lincon had a beard, but no mustach! OMG they are complementary!!
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 2:04 am
    Mussolini(if that`s who you meant) was a Fascist. Hitler had a violent take over of power before he was elected, and once he was elected who was voting against him? Wow that sounds identical to who? Oh yeah Saddam Hussein and how he came to power! Weird huh? But it figures because your polluted Liberal Socialist mind has you actually defending Adolph Hitler! lol And much the same another great humanitarian, Saddam Hussein. But in your eyes they are ok, but Bush is a war criminal....yeah!
    Onto your argument about Bipartisan politics in my country. You do know there are more than 2 parties in my country right? In fact in we have a socialist, social workers, nazi, communist, liberal, libertarian, green, conservative, progressive, etc....I could go on but I think you get the point. In the 92`, 96, and 00` elections the 3rd parties had a major impact on the election. In general most people are Republican or Democrat, but to say we only have 2 parties is a fabrication.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 2:12 am
    Now another famous Liberal twist is calling Terrorist everything but what they are, they are not "rebels", they are not "freedom fighters", and they are not "Insurgents"! They are Terrorists, plain and simple. Calling them by any other name is justifying their actions(although you did justify Hitler) and means you condone their actions. And by the way the Sunnis represent 20 percent of the Muslims in Iraq, stop mixing your facts up. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051005/ap_o...
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 2:56 am
    Onto your opinion of quality of life in Canada as opposed to our so called "third world country", let me ask you this what country in the world has the highest immigration rate? yeah that`s right we do. Why may I ask you do people overwhelmingly choose our country over yours? I mean yours is so great, ours sucks, why do every 5 to 1 come here? That`s just legally, our alien friends from the south blow that stat even higher. Now again don`t get me wrong I happen to visit Canada often, I will be in Canada next weekend as a matter of fact, but I`m not going to stand back and allow any crackpot to call my kettle black. By the way 60.9 percent of eligible Canadian voters cast a vote in 2004`s federal elections as opposed to our 60.3 percent, again you skewed facts to favor your argument. Now with a population of 32,805,041 compared to a population of 295,734,134 that`s not very convincing on your end.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 10:31 am
    Ok now, lets get this REAL clear for you since you dont stop to use that conservative sophism that pushes you to point out that I support Hitler or Mussolini. Ok when I say "Hitler was elected domocraticly" I do know about the night of the long knives, I just want to point out some flaws in democracy, I am not legitimating Hitler. Hitler did some of the worst attrocites EVER. Also when I say that Mussolini is a capitalist I mean that his regime supported an economic system where free market and private and corporate ownership interests were predominant and that is exactly what capitalism is. Now I didnt use the term Fascist because it is a circulr definition, Mussolini invented Fascism, it was the name of his party, saying that he was a Fascist dosnt give any information, it is like saying Hitler was a Nazi! For your information Fascism, nowdays means : A despotic regime based on a capitalist economy.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 10:36 am
    Now, so you dont try to twist my words again I will say it very clearly :
    I condemn the actions of Hitler, he was one of the worst things that happen in history.

    I condemn Mussolini and his actions.

    I condemn Saddam and his actions.
    I condemn the gassing of Kurds.
    I condemn the war agains Iran who was openly and militarly supported by the US.

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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 10:47 am
    About Terrorists : Its all semantics but I think we should call things by there name. I dont think that Rebels or Insurgents, are nice theres, they are all "enemies" and this is NOT justifiying thier actions. I just think that someone who hooks up a bomb and goes in public place to blow thier selves up are Terrorists, people who do beheadings are Terrorists, heck anything who targets civilians are Terrorists, and there are many Terrorists in Iraq but there are also people who reject the imposed authority and think it is worth fighting for, those are insurgents, they shoot rockets at US soldiers or shoot with an AK-47, they do an act of COMBAT, not of TERROR. One must make the diffrence between attaking random civilians or attaking a military target of an occupying force! Putting them all in the same basket is reductionist and shows narowness of mind.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 10:55 am
    Last, some fact cheking. I got my 40% Sunni from wikipedia, maybe it was a bit inflated but now I think you will agree that the CIA Worldfact book is a reliable source in info?
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
    Muslim 97% (Shi`a 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%), Christian or other 3%
    Updated October 4th 2005, much closer to 40 then 20 right?

    Now for Imigration :

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html
    Canada
    Net migration rate:
    5.9 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2005 est.)

    US
    Net migration rate:
    3.31 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2005 est.)

    You do realize, that per person we have 78% more migrants then the US? You just cannot go over that!

    You are the richest country in the world, you just think that the poor should get along by themselves, and that if they cannot get out of thier poo by themselves its thier fault, evry man for themselvs, this, my fried does have the consequences I have talked about before.

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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:11 am
    Hitler did "some of" the worst atrocities ever? Tell me mr. mixed up facts, what was even close to what Hitler did? 6 million Jews wiped out simply because they were Jews. Started a war which wiped out 61,000,000 people world wide, when the population was around 2,300,000,000. That mean`s about 1/37 people died. "Some of", really poor choice of words.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:15 am
    We, in Canada, think that sharing the wealth will get un an overall better quality of life and has the advantages I have talked before. It is a choice, It have very less to do with other factors like imigration or anything. You cant expect to dont gave a social net and nothing will happen. It is a selfish choice and you must live whith it, dont try to go around it.

    About participation, I dont know were you got your 60% participation but here are the numbers I got
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.h...

    2004 : 55.1%
    2000 : 51.3%
    1996 : 49.1%

    And we must agree that the higher % of population voted in the 2004 because the stakes were higher. In canada, those stats were lower then usual but the fact is I dont have to defend canada beause I am not supporting the fact that Canada is the best democracy ever! you dont have anything to demolish!

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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:17 am
    And you are quoting the CIA fact book? lol Are you not the one who believes we went to war based on bad information from the CIA? But now you want use them to back up your point. Please you doubled their population to make your point valid, without doing so it didn`t make sense. Just like you tried to say we don`t express our right to vote like you Canadians do and the rate was .6 off of your national elections. You skew facts to your liking to give backbone to your weak arguments. Is wilkpedia your source of all information? You sure as hell quote them a lot.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:21 am
    There is a difference between voter eligible and of voting age, your using of voting age which is useless if they are not eligible to vote. I used voter eligible for the American and Canadian election`s.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:26 am
    You do realize that your immigration laws are way more relaxed, and we still receive 5 to 1 legal immigrants over you and god knows how many more illegal immigrants. Besides, truth be told, a large chunk of your immigrants use Canada as a way to get to the US when they can`t get here first. I know this from personal experience, half my Dads family did so from Greece
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:33 am
    Every person in the United States has just as much opportunity as the next person to make it, it is up to them to do something about it. Poor people in this country are given a whole lot. Free housing, welfare, food stamps, ...etc
    Maybe you like to have cookie cut people, a country where there is no diversity, but we like our diversity. By not allowing people to have high goals to strive for you keep them down.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:37 am
    I used the word some of the worst attrocties deliberatly because I dont want to grade Horror, horror is horror and there are all very much to be ashamed of, but if you want some competitiors for the holocaust, here is a short list of "horrendous events"

    - The extermiantion of about 20-50 million native americans by Spaniards and other conquistadors
    -The armenian genocide by the Turkish (Just because they were armenian!)
    -The Stalinian Era (5-10 million death in the Gulags)
    -Genocide in Rwanda.

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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:42 am
    What is wrong with me using the CIA worldfact book? It is not because I think that Bush lied about WMD (a lot say that the CIA warned bush about the possible non-existance of WMD) that I think that CIA is crap. I do think that the most reliable source of info for statistics on countries is the CIA world fack book and I am going to use it. I am sory but I do not understand why you contest those facts and preffer your yahoo crap? As I told before, a lot af greatness has came of the US, I would just like a little bit of nuancing and some admission of some faults.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:43 am
    That was over 26 years, not the 5-6 years Hitler had, given more time and power who knows how bad that would have been.
    Actually a KGB study put it at 36 million in 1989, later studies put that number between 54-57 million. Not that I`m anal about facts or anything, but go on.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:47 am
    About imigriation... I dont understand what you want to point out with your 5 to 1 ratio? The number of immigrants is totaly controled by our govenrments, its not about choosing.. it is about size heck, you get 5 times more but you are 10 times bigger! It would be imposiible for us to support as many immigrants as you do.. what are you trying to point out? And BTW the NET migration rate takes into account the people who get OUT of the country also, so the people comming to canada to go away after are counted int those numbers.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:48 am
    By the way I use the CIA fact book, it is using old pre-war data on most of it`s figures for Iraq, all except for population estimates. The current participation in government is 20percent Sunni, anything else you need to learn from me?
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:50 am
    Ok whats your point, Hitlers horror are worst because they happened faster, come on, those things do compare! But if you want to be pooty on speculative "facts" continue, I agree that I cheked this number (without any real incidence in the conversation) real fast, go on...
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:51 am
    I pointed that out to you, didn`t I? I know how immigration numbers are counted
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:55 am
    You did poit it out, but I dont agree that 5 times more people "chose" US over Canada, people just go where they can go...
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:55 am
    Ok then point me out to a good source on Iraq please?
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:57 am
    No Hitlers were way more heinous and fast. About 21,000,000 were murdered outside of warfare by his people in a six year period. Id say that makes it way worse.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:58 am
    Read the news
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 11:59 am
    How about Rwanda, were peole were murders with Machetes, that is not hedious.... Anyways, I think we cannot "grade" that kind of horror, you think we can, nothing else to add on this I think?
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 12:01 pm
    I think Rwanda was horrible, I just don`t see anything or anyone in History in the same category as Hitler and the Nazis
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 14, 2005 at 12:03 pm
    The only thing remotely close is Stalin, but like I said its hard to get to the level that Hitler sunk to.
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 12:04 pm
    Dont you think the way Native americans were extermination also pretty awfull?
  113. Profile photo of Pielle
    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2005 at 12:06 pm
    Anyways, the facts are there about Hitler and what he did, I am not the one to contest them, so we can agreee on those facts and let go over the interpretation...
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    rolez Female 18-29
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    October 17, 2005 at 11:56 am
    I think England is the best personally, and that`s from living in Canada, USA, Italy and Oz. So suck on that. :-X
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2005 at 1:48 pm
    Ok then, England is the best.. She said it...
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2005 at 10:37 pm
    How could I be so gullible :-?
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2005 at 10:45 am
    Have you seen the result of the vote on the constitution? Some places got 95 % participation will almost all YES, same for the sunni places were they got 95% NO. That remerbers you of anything? I guess those election stagers are still very active in Iraq! Heck the constitution made almost as well as Saddam did back then! Well, I guess we wont see democratic voting in Iraq before quite a while...
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2005 at 10:47 am
    Democracy is a long process that must take root in the people, you clearly see they dont believe enought in it yet... the will is not strong enough, the structures arnt there... Democracy cannot be imposed, it must be earned!
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2005 at 9:19 pm
    I see Sunnis who were against everything out voting for this constitution, I see Democracy before my own eyes. I`m not sure what you see
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2005 at 3:35 pm
    Explain to me how you see Democracy when it seems that a large part of the election was frauded?
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2005 at 8:07 pm
    They are auditing the election results. There is no bloodshed, no in fighting, they are Democratically combing it over to get kinks out. Now you know the liberal media was going to look for anything to take away from the process. Key word in your post was "seems".
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2005 at 11:04 pm
    Yes, obviously I will use the word "seems" as these are preliminary results in a country were pluriality of sources and freedom of press is not yet a established. Using another word would be intelectual fraud. But still.. seeing "Democracy before your own eyes" is pretty much inventing reality, as your percieved reality is not much more certain then mine.. I, at least can admit that my observations are not backed up by hard facts. Sure, there is no bloodshed, but what do you know about the climate there? I guess everyone is much preocupied by Saddam`s trial.
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    markb84 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2005 at 11:07 pm
    I really think Sydney should be ranked much higher, I honestly don`t see anything that special with Toronto`s, then again I live in the area, so I`m used to it.
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    markb84 Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2005 at 11:08 pm
    Toronto can`t compete with this: (Sydney)
    /photos/f_photo/C20259113747674f_photo.jpg
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    Pielle Male 18-29
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    October 20, 2005 at 10:39 am
    Yep, Toronto is pretty boring, you got my vote on this ;)
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    Surrysounds Male 18-29
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    October 20, 2005 at 11:25 am
    That is purely some irrelevant knobs` opinion. Sydney at 12th. Pfft.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2005 at 8:29 am
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9803257/
    Democracy

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