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first were "butting" in then we`re jumping in too late. make up ur mind. and even so, we were dontaing weapons to the cause. we had our own problems back then and we didnt need to add more to them. do u know WHY we were bombed??? for giving weapons and supplied to allied troops. dont breing this up. u dont know what ur talking about.
no, its not.
who is to say it wouldnt have happend eventually anyway dfor some other reason. these people that are doing these things are oppourtunists. they will kill for the most insignificant of reasons.as far as the secutrity situation goes....what are u speaking of? how can u make that worse? how can u make what was going on there any worse??
r u kidding?? r u out of u head with typhoid mary?? do u know the history of iraq? have u bothered to research the atrocities against humanity by the man that was in power there? where do u get of saying was it a fair target. ill tell u what... lets hang u up and slowly torture u years at a time. then tell me how much beauracratic bs u would like us to wait for before getting rid of ur tormentor. i dont understand why u people cant understand that saddam was a very nasty person that ruled his country in a very nasty way. not only that saddam had a clear and outspoken distate for americans. say it was ur country he hated with a passion. would u want him even possibly holding on to nukes he could point at ur people??
how dare u accuse us of being antisocial. thats just pure rubbish. we aide everyone we can without cause orselve undue political problems. thats unsubstatiated spectualtion on ur behalf and u should be ashamed to state something so obviously untrue.
we dont need anyones permission to defens our country. plain and simple. were the ones being accused of "butting" in so i only think if fair that u provide serious cases in which that was the case. pther wise ur just doing the same thins this other guy was doing. trying to make a point without backing it up. why shouldnd i use wtc as an example. its a might good one. is that the reason ur asking me not to? i mock the bbc because the concensus in the uk,great britian,england (ffs pick a name) is that americans r bad and ur news media reports to that effect.
True the US does give out aid to a whole host of countries, but this is balanced by unfair trade practices which don`t benefit LEDCs in the long run.
Please note that there is a difference between looking for an explanation for something and finding something to blame. The terrorists who carried out 9/11 or the 7/7 bombings had reasons for doing what they did. If you can tackle the reasons for terrorism, you will no longer have to tackle terrorism itself.
The issue of human rights in Iraq is separate. I support the regime change for this reason; but in the build up to war, this was not the reason cited by our leaders.
I do have to agree that arguing that the secruity was better before the is kind of stupid since they had no rights before but now theres havoc so it`s more of a lose-lose situation.
theBSR you have some valid points but you let your stars and stripes filled posts cloud the intellectual parts of it.
Iraq itself, may well have been a poor choice of target as by comparison to other regimes in the middle east, it was not so dominated by religious fundamentalism.
The invasion of Iraq has worsened the securtity situation. Iraq is now more unstable than ever and the ill will it has caused has led to the tragic situation where British citizens were able to carry out a terrorist bombing in London.
I put such trust in the UN, because it is the only body, which represents international opinion. The US is only interested in one thing... itself. I agree the UN is corrupt, but so too are the US, UK and other governments.
The international community understandably feels hostile towards America because of this disregard for the UN in its role as a forum for international cooperation.
It is quite telling then that Britain has been left to try and smooth over relations between the US and Old Europe, who were opposed to such hasty intervention. Bear in mind that had the US waited, it may well have been able to secure UN backing for action in Iraq.
As a question, why did the US go to war in Iraq?
On the contrary, the BBC is the only broadcasting body I can think of which is required by is charter and able by that way its run to provide fair, impartial and unbiased news.
I think mikallang hasa yet to show a case justifying America`s undoubted tendency to intervene in other country`s affairs. It is not satisfactory to mention the wtc as a sufficient reason everytime America involves itself in another country`s affairs.
I believe that the reason for foreign hostility towards America in Europe and the rest of the world, is because America seems unwilling to engage with the international community, but instead where it is unable to gain support, chooses to act unlaterally.
Anyway, I hope you all enjoy this remarkable debate, fraught with clearly some of the most intelligent, original, and convincing arguments I have ever seen. Lives, no, the world, will be changed, I am certain of it. I came here searching for a mere cure for my boredom and perhaps some witticisms regarding that cure, but lo and behold! I have stumbled upon something much more fulfilling!
I`m out of here. Enjoy.
yeah give me more examples..cause so far uve cited none. al u have said is that we were meddling and then u rattled out a few countries. im sure ur just going with popular convention. so go in depth and tell me what specifically, sans specualtion, we have done that is meddling. and i can tell u right now. we didnt meddle in iraq. were saving a country. thats the us and everyone involved..... bored-am-i..ur rediculous...hiding..shame on u
And I`m sure that the other countries the US meddles in are sick of the US thinking it`s got them figured out...
know what..im done trying to communicate with u. u cant hold down an argument and u just barely make sense. have a nice life weakness.
And you wrote : another thing... have an intelligent conversation. dont resort to childish remarks." Well to this, again, it`s you calling me names and insulting my person instead of sticking to the subject. The log proves me right.And you remark to fuzz when U say : "r u really african living in america?? that was my question. get ur facts straight before making an a*ss out of urself." Shows three things -first a riddicolous concpiration-theory - that Fuzz is actually living in USA, thus beeing a liar. Two : Dictating the premises of the discussion in a totalitarian style, and , three, ending up in the conclution that Fuzz is a liar and making a total a^s^s of himself, the insult part of the message. So much for "inte
because unlike some we see having such a great country as a responsibility. believe it or not there are bad people in the world that torture and maim others just for sport. for some of us that doesnt sit well... i gues for someone like u its ok. so when someone like u decides to come along and lecture me on the finer points of being a human being, yes, i wil get angry. yes, i will insult u. no, i will not sit here and let u talk trash about my country, that has been so good to me, and u, and them, and them. understand that?
You live in a big, beautiful country, why don`t U just think : Hey, that`s awsome, this is a great place and I`m happy !" instead of going bananas when someone expresses a worry about your military power and agression.
I guess your not wery content, and thats too bad.
and this is what BSR said u dolt===>"Not to mention we house and let all the scum from around the World live hear with Diplomatic Immunity"
my fu8cking god u r a bigger idiot than u pervioulsy set out to be. in short..uve outdone urself.
And third : Both mikellang and theBSR calls me and Fuzz : asses, saying drat you, i couldn`t care less (about fuzz`s job as a social worker), and calling tha representatives in the UN for scum. :)We didn`t really call you guys anyhing. I guess if I met one of you face to face discussing this you would probably kill me if I said something you didn`t like to hear.
u must be mentally ill. when in god name have we ever said something to this effect. i do remember something along the lines of "hey we got hit..hard, you wanna help, thats fine, u dont, well f8uck u to. were gonna do what we gotta do"
u come here and insult us right off the bat and tell me to calm down. u need to change ur approach. and as for che im pretty sure ur thinking of fidel...che was shot dead by the bolivians.....and prior to becoming the revollutionary that he was, he was a doctor u putz.tell me why would such a man who leaves his home and good paying job to go and "spread brutal totalitarianism throughout Latin America" be remembered as a national hero? hmm clarify that. learn to communicate well with others before u decide to insult them. can u manage to socially work that one out....
- you asked me remember?
I don`t see any humor or insight from these guys, Fuzz, do you ? A danish guy once wrote :
"The one who sees humor as just humorAnd seriousness as just seriousness,Hasn`r really understood any of the twoat all."
Fun Fact : UN is the global wathdog on our planet, trying to stabelize warzones throug diplomacy, helping people in need, curing health etc. In 1995 US owed UN about 1 billion dollars after lagging behind on the contingents to kepp the organization running. Most other countries pay their support each year. On David Letterman a few weeks ago there was an interview with Ted Turner, the founder of CNN. He thaugt this debt to the UN was a discrase and has the last ten years payed of the whole thing. Now thats good thinking. In the book "Plan B" (he says) theres a price on solving most problems in the world. It adds up to about 5% og the annual military budget in USA. Now that`s a fun fact.
now if you will excuse me im off to cure aids, stop poverty and civil war.. and arrest rapists.
And as for mikallang that Che Guevara display pic makes all your patriotism ironically pointless. So please step back and help make your country a little less unjustifiably egotistical.
che sttod for the fair and decent treatment of human beings. so yes..i think thats "cool" :)
funny how u manage to change topics when uve been made to look like the ugly side of a donkey
Funny, though, you have Che Guevara as an icon to your name, probably because you thing he looks cool. Because America certainly went highwire on the communists once upon a time as well....
Since US sits on the largest arsenal of weapons ever in world history, don`t you understand that the rest of the world gets a bit uneasy ?
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