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Date: 08/24/05 02:11 AM

98 Responses to 9/11 Explained: It was “Opposite Day“

  1. Profile photo of buddy
    buddy Male 30-39
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    August 23, 2005 at 11:52 pm
    Link: 9/11 Explained: It was ``Opposite Day`` - Inconsistencies in Official 9-11 Story Resolved.

    Inconsistencies in Official 9-11 Story Resolved.

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    chestertheje Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:14 am
    too many words, I dont care THAT much.
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    sleep4never Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:17 am
    wtf....
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    cnlbell Female 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:26 am
    That was stupid on the part of the person who made up that stuff. Why? Why make light of something so tragic. Everything and everyone was under the influence of "opposite day" thats why thousands died. Just plain stupid!
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    Santos_Demin Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:39 am
    No, no, no WRONG. You get an F.
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    mookie427 Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:52 am
    why make up something like that when thousands of people lost their lives, he is just trying to make an explanation for stuff he can`t explain......
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    mookie427 Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 3:12 am
    oh i forgot to add that the reason the pentagons hole was so small was that it hit the ground first and the wings broke off the plane as it went into the building
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    artistchick7 Female 18-29
    963 posts
    August 24, 2005 at 4:15 am
    That was f*cked up. :-(
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    benjbenj Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 4:25 am
    What a lame attempt to be ironic.
  10. Profile photo of lmfao
    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 4:36 am
    You all completely missed the point.

    The guy isn`t making light of the people who died. He`s making light of people`s determined ignorance of the massive holes in the official story of what happened on 9/11. You people are such mindless sheep it`s hilarious.

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    Osprey39 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 4:59 am
    Such horrible satire. The author could have done so much more with this. I say leave the satire to The Onion.
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    Tiggerbob Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 5:18 am
    Baaaa
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    BladeofKeyZ Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 5:49 am
    lmfao is correct. Probably becuase he`s European.
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    BladeofKeyZ Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 5:55 am
    Akward satire but it has a point. The Daily Show would do something like this if it wansn`t for the fact that Millions at americans are still pissed. Too bad there`s no one clear person to be pissed to. I hope they`d hurry up and find bin laden aka notorious mass murderer/terrorist.
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    csto1 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 6:04 am
    The people in the planes that hit the towers; how did they send text messages from such a high altititude and height of plane? Me and me friends couldnt get signal on our phones, not crap ones either.
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    benjbenj Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 6:34 am
    Hi Imfao,

    The problem is that the author is trying to be ironic while pointing out the massive holes in the official story. As he`s not good at irony at all he produces just a rather poor article.

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    Mikk3420 Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 6:42 am
    I Still Can`t Believe It Happened On My Birthday :(
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 6:48 am
    benjbenj, thanks for giving your opinion on the article, which is unfortunately completely irrelevant to the point I made.

    Whether the article is well written or not (and an article like this simply won`t be funny because the subject matter is not easy to swallow), it raises a good point on how ignorant Americans are determined to be in light of the glaring inconsistencies they`re faced with.

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    Ruzz5000 Male 60-69
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    August 24, 2005 at 7:40 am
    load of crap

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    N1kk1 Female 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 7:56 am
    i dnt understand
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 8:24 am
    ...ahh yes. The "ignorant Americans."

    Not like those "enlightened" Europeans, eh lmfao (Bush did it. No, wait. The Jews did it).

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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 8:36 am
    Very amateurish attempt at a strawman argument, manorrd. Try harder next time.
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    BladeofKeyZ Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 8:54 am
    Just like Jadakiss once said, "why did Bush knock down the towers? Ruff Riders!"
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    ainur Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 9:42 am
    Lots of theories.
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    SuperSoph Female 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 10:13 am
    ...can`t..read...past...first...sentance...
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    dani_chick Female 18-29
    290 posts
    August 24, 2005 at 10:17 am
    As tragic as it was, I really can`t give a damn about this stuff. Instead of uniting a world to morn a lost, it makes us all agaisnt each other, which was the point of the people who did this.
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    1880 Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 10:53 am
    I love how 30 year olds who live in their parents basement have so much more insight than the rest of us. It`s a good thing we have theorists to keep us from beliving those idiots like "mainstream" scientists who completely smash conspiracy theories with their powers of basic logic and advanced degrees, the writer of this opened my eyes to the real truth.
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    sindy420 Female 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 10:58 am
    I`m with lmfao on this. There are far too many inconsistencies with 9-11. I`m not here to try and change anyones minds, but perhaps you may want to take some time and do some reading at www.911truth.com . Also be sure to read about Operation NORTHWOODS at http://www.public-action.com/911/abcnort...
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    PeanutBetter Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 11:22 am
    Too long/didn`t read.
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    BladeofKeyZ Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 11:25 am
    Oh my God the Patriots. They Sent You. No! FoXDie! Get Away!
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    look215 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 12:25 pm
    i was just curious wouldnt Washington DC be the definition of "Big brother" and have every single inch of the covered with video cameras and spy gear, ( ok spy gear might be taking it a bit far but hey who knows) , just what I was wondering is we constantly saw the twin towers being hit , but was there not one clip of the pentagon being hit ( or it could have just been the canadian media? I dunno) .
    But now about the article I LOVE this line
    "That’s all tin-hat stuff. It might not always seem like it, but our government truly has our best interests at heart, loves us and is only trying to do what’s best.” Sure the american government loves its people , then why is it that the country still keeps going backwards instead of forwards, just for an example look at the HUGE debt that americans will be left with after GWB leaves office, really looking at the stats it has all the trademarks of another depresion , one economic slip and everythin
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    TabooPoison Female 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 1:00 pm
    Mikk3420: I Still Can`t Believe It Happened On My Birthday :(

    Oh, poor you. Yeah, the terrorists decided that they wanted to do it on your birthday just to spite you. It was my birthday too and I don`t go around acting like a victim. Nearly 3,000 people DIED. Nobody gives a crap that it was your birthday.

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    jagger04 Male 50-59
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    August 24, 2005 at 1:23 pm
    look215... there was one security film i saw that showed the pentagon... but other than that, the only reason we saw the plane hit the towers is because there was another plane that hit before it... almost no one caught that except one tourist who didnt even know he taped it... have you ever been to DC? it isnt filled with spies and FBI agents looking for trouble with their video camera in hand... yes there are inconsistencies, but if they got everything perfect, it will kinda look like the gov`t knew all about what went down... it isnt like CSI can come in there and investigate and say "the plane was traveling at exactly 400mph when it was hit, other explosions downstairs ulimatley made them fall, and wait this person seemed to have died of food poisoning"NO government is that perfect so lmfao dont act like the americans dont know what they are doing.look at england,when they were hit by terrorists they shot an unarmed civilian because he looked like a terrorist Europeisntpe
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    jagger04 Male 50-59
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    August 24, 2005 at 1:24 pm
    eurpoe isnt perfect either
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    tallguy19 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 1:51 pm
    Are you frickin kidding me? Did you not watch this with your Own Eyes? The jet, a Boeing 767, which is around 160feet long, with a payload of about 400,000 lbs, hit the tower at nearly 400mph. That one heck of a lot of force!! It weakened the core as well as the outside supports, which distributed the weight the the corners of the building. -Explosions at the base- hmm... what? caused by the planes, ...sure, by Bush, No you frickin idiot. And the part about "I don`t care if before or after 9/11, you try to get 20 buddies on 4 different jets with those types of materials, it wouldn`t happen.` Security was really bad before 9/11..it`s improving now. The movie Airplane mocks our airport security in the 80`s... I remember a friend who was coming back from Japan, he had a toy AK-47 without a red tip so it looked real. He carried it on with no problem. And peek into the confiscated items bin next time, you`ll see everything that got through before 9/11.The theory is just another antiBu
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    tallguy19 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 1:52 pm
    The theory is just anthor anti-Bush ploy.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 1:56 pm
    lmfao, thanks for giving your opinion on my rhetorical techniques, which is unfortunately completely irrelevant to the point I made.

    When you gleefully point out how "ignorant" Americans are, you`re really only exposing your own bigotry and (ironically) ignorance. This is in light of the fact that the article that supports your "point" is written by Americans.

    There is ignorance and bigotry all over the world I guess. Enlightened Europe is no exception

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    Mikk3420 Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 1:58 pm
    TabooPoison, drat You. What If I Had Family In There???
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    tallguy19 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:00 pm
    I`ve had enough of this bull-crap. All this is saying is that `America wants to trick the public by getting a forign cast to act out our evil desires, so we can justify killing someone that poses a threat to us even though the really don`t since they never did these acts, and so America is just looking for some people to kill.`
    I hope you can find help...you think that America as presented in Mainstram media is just a Big Trick. Yu must be kidding me.. but nope this is your sorry exuse for demorilizing America and our trusts. I must remember to not clickk on these worthless threads anymore, sure you speak your will, but when you desire to misconstrue un-deniable facts and events that occured before your own Eyes .......... about the Payne Stewart jet mention.. We did scramble jets to the commercial flight if you remember. And did you forget that every single thing in flight over in and around American was on the ground in less than 1 hour ?
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    tallguy19 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:10 pm
    If you`re talkin to me, manorrd... If you`d check out my `War on Iraq` journal you can see that in there, as well as here, I accept whatever legitimacy is present in such argurments, while speaking my mind, although quite harshly at times. Also check my newest question.
    Yeah well what am I thinkin.. how could it be terrorism.. Bush would waste billions of dollars to build up an empire, create fake terrorists tapes, make 9/11, etc.. Wow were did I go wrong in thinking that some countries actually do hate us? Wow I never knew, gee.. (that`s sarcasm, ha).
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:24 pm
    b u l l s h i t.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 2:25 pm
    tallguy19. I was not refering to you, but to a previous posting of lmfao`s
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    JpKllA Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 3:32 pm
    I`m extremely positive that no plane hit the Pentagon for sure. Most likely an accident that was very very ill-timed.

    The media and government sucks. They should all go to hell. Tell us the damn truth.

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    look215 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 3:32 pm
    jagger04 I just thought that with Washington DC being such an important site that there would be a bit more survialence ( yeah bad spelling) to make sure no body assainated any political figures. Guess I was wrong
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 24, 2005 at 3:37 pm
    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.ht...

    Read it.

    Being critical minded is healthy.
    Being paranoid and buying every conspiracy theory that plops its smelly way onto the `net is not healthy.

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
    790 posts
    August 24, 2005 at 4:15 pm
    Jeez.
    Im assuming the author meant this to be sarcastic and tongue in cheek. I also assume the families who lost loved ones that day dont see the "humor" in it.
    Theres alot of emotion associated with all this, as is evident by the comments so far. I do agree that there are some things that dont make sense. But, I also know that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
    I totally agree with Enohead on this. Its ok ask questions. It great to listen to both sides. But, in the end you have to think for yourself and make your own decisions about it.
    The main fact is, many many people died. They are gone forever, and no amount of conspiracy theories or "proof" or whatever will bring them back. I say, lets stop arguing about this, and agree to let the wounds heal and move on.
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    dog_or_man Male 30-39
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    August 24, 2005 at 7:09 pm
    The great tragedy of this guy`s "opposite day" sarcasm is that it masks the *real* conspiracy of 9/11 -- namely, that the Bush Administration took a national mood of bipartisanship and togetherness, and used it to give us a trumped-up vendetta in Iraq and a cross-burning racist on the Federal Bench.
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    stikfas Male 13-17
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    August 24, 2005 at 7:24 pm
    that guys a jerk.
  49. Profile photo of jagger04
    jagger04 Male 50-59
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    August 24, 2005 at 7:27 pm
    look215... DC isnt that important, it is just soe of teh builings there... if oyu go there and look around, it is bassically like any other city... most of the people there are tourists... the only time it is filled with govt people is when the president is going through or when someone is flying through restricted airspace... i remember one time, streets were closed down for 5 blocks because bill clinton was going through... it is just stupid up there when the president is there
  50. Profile photo of psychoman364
    psychoman364 Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 9:23 pm
    Whoever wrote that was an idiot. If you STILL think there was a conspiracy by the gov`t on 9/11, then you need some common sense.
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 9:32 pm
    this article may fall in the misc. category...but the comments for it fall in the funny category. so much ignorance from so many sides...all acting like they were there interviewing the terrorists, the victims, the president, the man that wrote this article, and some random hollywood celebrity at once. we don`t care what you know unless you have had some formal education on the stuff and can prove it (which you can`t). so don`t bother flashing your big `political science/computer engineering dual major with a minor in flipping burgers from boston community technical and trade school`.... it ain`t workin`.
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    Indigo_M Male 18-29
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    August 24, 2005 at 10:05 pm
    lmfao needs a real news source. Hey lmfao, do you happen to be French? If so, that would explain your ignorant attitude. France has released every terrorist it has ever detained and it is constantly trying to stop the U.S. from protecting itself.
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:33 am
    manorrd: I don`t believe you genuinely think I was saying every single American is ignorant - You don`t seem stupid enough to make such a ridiculous assumption - but there is a tremendous amount of ignorance in America.

    Did you know that the twin towers were the first skyscrapers to "collapse due to fire" EVER? And there have been far, far worse fires in skyscrapers than the ones that supposedly caused the WTC towers to fall perfectly symmetrically into their own footprints in the exact manner that a controlled demolition falls.

    Do you consider it likely that after no skyscraper ever collapsed due to fire that two could collapse on the same day, and WTC7 nearby could collapse HOURS LATER even though it hadn`t been hit by a plane?

    The question America needs to be asking their government is "Why was the World Trade Center demolished?", but the fact is the idiots can`t accept it, the smart people are embarrassed and the really intelligent people get shouted down

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:35 am
    The only way to test that is to fly a fully-fueled airplane into a 118 story (or however tall they were) building and see what happens.
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:43 am
    Yeah and then watch and see if any nearby buildings magically collapse in the exact manner of a controlled demolition several hours later, like WTC7 did.
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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
    790 posts
    August 25, 2005 at 12:47 am
    Did you see the last comment I posted? No one will ever agree on what happened. But, lots of people did die. I think we all agree on that. Honestly, I think the issue should be dropped. Continuing to pick at it only reopens the wound.
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:53 am
    Of course I saw the last comment you posted. I was responding to it! LOL

    And of course you want the issue to be dropped as it`s blatantly obvious that the buildings were demolished, and as an American you are extremely embarrassed and would rather the issue would just go away.

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:56 am
    No, silly, on the previous page. I typed a LONG comment.
    I dont necessarily want the issue to go away because Im embarrassed about the issue. Ive read quite a bit about it on both sides. Theres some sketchy information, yes.
    Id prefer you get to know me better before lumping me with your idea of what an "American" is, though.
  59. Profile photo of lmfao
    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 1:03 am
    Oh ok, sorry. I just read the post you mentioned, and I disagree that the issue should be forgotten about because people died. In fact, it should be investigated more thoroughly because people died.

    And don`t get me wrong. Americans are among the biggest-hearted and friendliest people in the world, but the populace on the whole seems to have been very easily led as far as The War On Terror is concerned (although this does seem to be changing, with Bush`s approval rating now at an all time low and Americans opposing the war in Iraq now being the majority)

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 1:07 am
    Ok, maybe not forgotten about. But, not trivialised like it was in this article. I do have alot of questions about it myself. But, good luck trying to find a non-biased source on the net.
    It just seems like such a dead horse. Why keep beating it? What does anyone hope to achieve? Its not like one day the US government will hang its head in shame and admit to the conspiracy (if there is one).
  61. Profile photo of lmfao
    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 1:38 am
    So you`re saying there`s nothing you can do about it so ya might as well just forget about it.

    LOL. Great attitude.

    I agree to a certain extent though. The national shame and embarrassment that would be caused if an independent investigation revealed the truth about the demolition of the towers would damage America`s global reputation irreparably (not that it can get much worse than it already is), so it`s in the American people`s best interests to just keep quiet and be good sheeplike citizens.

    I guess "by the people and for the people" looked good on paper, but the people obviously just don`t care enough to make it a reality.

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    jld208 Male 18-29
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    August 25, 2005 at 1:42 am
    You can`t simply blame the towers collapse on one factor; many things contribute to a catastrophic failure.
    Things to consider before adopting a "demolition theory":
    The force of the impact of the plane and it`s effect on the WTC`s unique exoskeleton design,
    the length of the burn time (the intensity of the heat is not the only factor), and the additional weight of a fully loaded airplane and it`s effect on an already weakened structure.

    The main error these conspiracy theorists make is comparing the WTC to conventional structures. lmfao makes the point that no skyscaper has ever collapsed due to fire, but the WTC was not a conventional skyscraper. It was built to maximize internal space, with little or no internal supporting steel.

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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 1:54 am
    As you well know, the WTC towers were designed and built to withstand the impact of a passenger aircraft, but the telling point about your post is that you conveniently sidestep the fact that WTC7 collapsed SEVERAL HOURS LATER (in the exact manner that a controlled demolition collapses - check the link below) even though it hadn`t been hit by a plane.

    Be sure to check the bottom of this page to see how buildings fall when not the subject of a controlled demolition: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.h...

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    jsatan Male 18-29
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    August 25, 2005 at 6:53 am
    lmfao, Top man you hit the nail on the head.
    Its the same old tho, point fingers and everyone looks.
  65. Profile photo of Cindy75
    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 8:02 am
    On 8/25/2005 1:38:15 AM lmfao wrote: I agree to a certain extent though. The national shame and embarrassment that would be caused if an independent investigation revealed the truth about the demolition of the towers would damage America`s global reputation irreparably
    Im not sure that it would do too much damage. Luckily, no one has a very high opinion of the US as it is. My guess is they would just shake their heads and say "typical Yanks".
    But, I asked you a question: What are you hoping to gain by going on and on about this? It will change nothing.
  66. Profile photo of lmfao
    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 8:33 am
    I`m not hoping to gain anything. Why would I be hoping to gain something?

    As for your assertion that "it will change nothing", you`re right - my posts on a random internet forum are highly unlikely to bring about justice in the Western world, but again, I disagree that being ignorant is the way to approach any issue.

    I also find it very interesting that although you don`t appear to disagree with the points I`ve made, you seem determined for me to stop posting. If all you can bring to the discussion is to tell me I`m wasting my time (ummm... isn`t that what this site is for?) I could just as easily ask what you`re hoping to gain.

  67. Profile photo of Cindy75
    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 8:39 am
    Its a public forum. You can post as much as you want.
    I neither agree nor disagree with you. I am simply asking you questions. If you want to know honestly, I dont really know what the truth is about the whole matter. Theres so much on either side, that Im choosing to keep middle ground.
    As I said before, Ive read alot about this from both sides. The conspiracy side certainly has more "proof". But (Im repeating myself here again) sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Nothing always has to be clear-cut and black and white all the time. Sometimes there are things that cannot be easily explained.
    If it ever turned up that there WAS a government hand in this, I would be so very dissappointed in them...but not surprised.
  68. Profile photo of Enohead
    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2005 at 9:19 am
    Um.
    I suppose Roosevelt staged Pearl Harbor, too.
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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
    790 posts
    August 25, 2005 at 9:24 am
    :-O I KNEW it!


    ;-)
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2005 at 9:37 am
    Seriously - the reason the conspiracy side has more "proof" is because none of the conspiracy theories are investigated in a truly scientific manner. The theorists begin with the conclusion they want (Bush/the government orchestrated the whole thing), and then work backward, manipulating the "facts" to support their claim.
    That`s just not how it`s done.
  71. Profile photo of Cindy75
    Cindy75 Female 30-39
    790 posts
    August 25, 2005 at 9:44 am
    Yes, I know. And really, facts can be manipulated to support whatever youre trying to prove. Which is why I dont chose to take a side on this. Its just not worth it to me.
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    HeyLookAtHer Female 13-17
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    August 25, 2005 at 10:43 am
    too much words with more than one syl-ab-les
  73. Profile photo of lmfao
    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 11:05 am
    enohead - It sounds like you have it all figured out.

    So how do you explain the fact that the Secret Service did zero to protect the President when they "learned" that "hijacked" planes were flying into buildings? Since it`s their JOB to protect the President, don`t you even find it slightly suspicious that they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect him, allowing him to sit for 20 minutes reading to schoolchildren, especially given the fact that the Presidents visit to the school was advertised in the media three days beforehand giving the "terrorists" his exact location to fly their planes into?

    If you can offer a better explanation than the obvious one - that they already knew he was not in danger because it was an inside job; or the official one (which can only possibly be meant as a bad joke) - that they didn`t want to scare the kids - I`d like to hear it.

    Be careful not to begin with the conclusion you want and then work backward. ;)

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 11:08 am
    On 8/25/2005 10:43:35 AM HeyLookAtHer wrote: too much words with more than one syl-ab-les
    Im glad you arent from the US.
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:05 pm
    It`s not really my duty to "explain" anything to you. You are the one who has the burden of proof, since you are the one making the claim that it was a big conspiracy.
    But I would like to know how in God`s green earth you could have that many people in on a conspiracy that huge, and not one person has come out to spill the beans.
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:17 pm
    OK, since you`ve gone from sounding like you know it all to sidestepping my question, I`ll conclude that you are actually the one with preconceived opinions and a determination to ignore anything that encroaches on them.

    Oh, and since you`ve kindly given me the burden of proof, I would say that the fact that the Secret Service blatantly ignored what would have immediately been perceived as an imminent threat to the President`s life serves as proof that they were in on the whole thing.

    When you have a better explanation for why the Secret Service ignored what they would have definitely perceived as an immediate threat to the President`s life, get back to me.

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:22 pm
    lmfao: Some questions for you

    1. Do you believe that planes flew into the towers?
    2. What would be the benefit of demolishing them?
    3. Do you believe that a plane flew into the Pentagon?
    -If not, what happened to the people on that flight, as they are all not here anymore?
    4. What would the government serve to gain by pulling this off?
    5. How can something so large scale happen without any leaks?

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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:26 pm
    Well, that`s pretty flimsy proof. Much, much flimsier than the proof that everyone was clamoring for about Saddam having WMD`s.

    How can you claim that the Secret Service "would have definitely percieved" a plane flying into a building in New York as a threat to the President`s life? You can make that connection now, four years later, but at the time...?
    He was miles and miles away. They didn`t know what was going on. And I think it`s a pretty fair assumption that they were tracking air traffic once they found out that planes were being hijacked, and were watching for any direct threat.

    Now, please answer my question about how nobody has stepped forward about this being a big conspiracy. Out of the thousands of people that it would take to orchestrate this, not one has said anything.
    Also, please tell me: why would Bush plan to do this, and how could he get so many people to play along?

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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:27 pm
    Bush: "Let`s demolish the World Trade Center and kill thousands of people."
    Everyone else: "Sounds good, chief."

    Give me a break.

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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:44 pm
    1. Yes, of course. Was that a trick question?
    2. The owner of the buildings received billions in insurance and the Enron files were destroyed in WTC7. Also, see answer 4.
    3. I reserve judgement on that. There are convincing arguments for and against the assertion that a plane flew into the Pentagon which can only be resolved by an independent inquiry (which will never happen). There are some interesting and plausible (unless you scoff at anything that wasn`t backed up on Fox News) theories regarding what happened to the passengers on this site: http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm
    4. Support for an illegal war for Iraq`s oil, and the creation of a constant source of fear with which to control the American population.
    5. I don`t know.
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:53 pm
    OK, enohead... You`ve made your decision to completely ignore anything that goes against your preconceived opinions, and I respect that.

    If you genuinely believe that the Secret Service would umm and aah over whether to remove the President from the building to safety IMMEDIATELY under such circumstances, then I respectfully congratulate you on being a special kind of ignorant.

    As for why Bush would do it, see above. And as for why so many people would play along? Who knows? Greed? Fear? When it comes down it, whether I can answer your question or not does not eliminate the huge holes in the official story of what happened on 9/11.

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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2005 at 12:53 pm
    Number 4 is ludicrous.
    We had the Russians for a constant source of fear, but we encouraged them to get rid of the Berlin Wall and become democratic. We should`ve just kept the Red Menace around.
    And that whole oil thing really paid off well, didn`t it? The price of oil`s at an all-time high. I guess the government wasn`t smart enough to see that coming, but they were smart enough able to pull off a hoax as big as 9/11.
    Did Spain`s government fake the train bombings in Madrid?

    You can believe anything you want. You can believe that they Royal Family are lizard-people from Mars, for all I care.
    I`m just saying that I don`t buy any of this conspiracy crap.

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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 25, 2005 at 1:01 pm
    No, they weren`t smart enough to pull off the hoax. If they`d been smart enough there wouldn`t be massive holes in the official story. For example, the Secret Service would have acted like a national emergency was occurring. Please try to keep up.

    "I`m just saying that I don`t buy any of this conspiracy crap."

    So anything that goes against the official story is "crap"? Shouldn`t you be running around in a woolly coat bleating in a field somewhere? Baaaaa!

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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 25, 2005 at 1:29 pm
    So anything that goes against your idea of a conspiracy is the "official story"?
    I`m insulted that you assume that I don`t have a mind of my own. I`ve read the ideas put forth by people who claim that it was a conspiracy. It just doesn`t hold water for me. That`s my conclusion, based on what I find to be plausible and what I don`t.
    But you resort to name-calling.
    Okay, you are the winner of this discussion.
    Congratulations.
    Baaaaa.
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    jld208 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2005 at 1:58 am
    WTC7 was built over two electrical substations. They stored 45,000 gallons of diesel fuel inside for emergencies regarding Mayor Giuliani`s emergency operations and the Secret Service.
    And it just so happens that steel loses 50% of it`s strength at just 1,200 degrees; and diesel burns at 1,800 degrees.
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2005 at 3:03 am
    Read the link I posted again (not that you read it the first time, or will even read it this time.)

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.h...

    Also I should point out AGAIN that no steel-based high-rise structure has ever collapsed due to fire in the history of the planet.

    For the building to collapse as it did (perfectly symmetrically) all four load bearing supports would have to fail at the EXACT same moment. So you`re telling me that exactly the same amount of heat was coincidentally applied over the base four corners of the building for the exact same period of time necessary to cause them to fail at the exact same moment, together? No, I credit you with more intelligence than that.

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    jld208 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2005 at 3:23 am
    So you assume that because I don`t agree with your conspiracy theory, I must not have read your compelling evidence, right?
    I`ve read it. It`s just not quite as convincing as you believe. But what can you expect from a website that also maintains Pearl Harbor wasn`t a surprise attack?
    Your theory is just that, a theory.
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2005 at 3:54 am
    So is yours. The question is, which theory is closest to what actually happened?

    Larry Silverstein (owner of the WTC complex) has publically stated that WTC7 was pulled (a widely used professional term for demolishing a building).

    http://thewebfairy.com/911/pullit/

    Apart from that, you failed to provide any kind of argument to explain why the building fell perfectly symmetrically. Do you really believe that something as chaotic and unpredictable as a fire would conveniently distribute the exact same amount of heat over the exact same time across four specific areas of the building (ie - the load bearing supports). Do you genuinely believe that`s how it happened?

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    jld208 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2005 at 4:10 am
    The term "pull" can also be interpreted as "evacuate". Silverstein has said he was not referring to a controlled demolition.
    FEMA`s official account:
    "An initial local failure at the lower floors (below Floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event), which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet (190 m²).
    Vertical progression of the initial local failure up to the east penthouse, as large floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse.
    Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of Floors 5 and 7, that were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, resulting in the disproportionate collapse of the entire structure."
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2005 at 4:33 am
    Silverstein said "...I said "We`ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

    Do you seriously, genuinely, honestly believe he was saying "We`ve had such a terrible loss of life. I think the smartest thing to do is evacuate the building"?

    Like the Fire Chief was gonna go "OMG! You`re so right! Why didn`t I think of that! All my years of training have failed me! Guys! We need to EVACUATE THE BUILDING!!"

    Of course not.

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
    790 posts
    August 26, 2005 at 7:54 am
    Lmfao, your arguments would seem so much more convincing if you didnt have that chip on your shoulder.
    Every article Ive seen written in support of the conspircay theories has had this sneering attitude behind it. Sarcasm, and snide remarks. If the information was reported more matter of factly, and less childlishly, more people might be willing to listen to what you and the others are saying.
    Its hard to take seriously someone who resorts to acting snotty.
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    fee1412 Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2005 at 8:00 am
    BladeofKeyZ
    wtf does it matter if theyre european?
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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2005 at 11:27 am
    Cindy, does the fact that an argument is given with a "sneering attitude" make that argument wrong?

    You should probably put more effort into deciding what`s factual and what`s not factual instead of treating discussions like popularity competitions.

    Perhaps the "sneering attitude" in the articles you mention comes from the fact that people are DISGUSTED at the way the American people are treated by their government. Do you think they should be overwhelmed with joy and write with the tone of someone who just discovered true love?

    As far as Im concerned, ignorance just irritates the hell out of me, and the last few people who have confronted my opinions (without actually attempting to counter them) have exhibited ignorance in spades.

    I was impressed yesterday by your profile - you say you`re only interested in the truth, and you never lie. I share that exact same ideal.

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
    790 posts
    August 26, 2005 at 11:38 am
    -It doesnt make your argument right or wrong. I didnt say that. I only said it makes you seem less credible.
    -Im not here for the popularity. Where did you come up with that?
    -I never said the tone should be that of love. I simply think it should be more matter-of-fact.
    -I didnt read this whole thread. I dont know what others have said to you up til the point that I arrived. But, those that have spoken since havent seemed too ignorant. They are just differing in opinion.

    And thank you. Truthfulness is very important to me. But, so is accepting the fact that not everyone thinks the same way that I do, and respecting the fact that they have different view of the world.

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    lmfao Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2005 at 11:45 am
    I can`t respect people who make a concerted effort to be ignorant. I dont think people who act in such a way have earned my respect.

    If you judge peoples credibility by the tone in which they deliver their argument I assume you probably miss out on a lot.

    It seems to me that you refuse jump off the fence as far as this particular discussion goes and instead choose to waste my time commentating on the way I write. I find this unfortunate as you`re obviously intelligent and could probably add a lot to the discussion.

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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
    790 posts
    August 26, 2005 at 11:51 am
    I am purposely on the fence. I have my opinions on this, but am keeping them to myself.
    Sorry if you feel Ive wasted your time. I was actually having fun. I`ll leave you be then. It was nice talking to you.
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    Enohead Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2005 at 6:12 pm
    "I can`t respect people who make a concerted effort to be ignorant"?
    Wow. Your narcissism astounds me.
    Look. The fact that you are calling everyone who doesn`t share the same beliefs as you "sheep", really speaks volumes about how much better you think you are than others. And all because you believe things that are harder to prove than what the majority of people believe.
    And you had the audacity to say that I think I know everything.
    Something occurred to me about our last go-round:
    Your "proof" that it was an inside job was that the Secret Service didn`t whisk away the President immediately. First of all, imagining what SHOULD have happened in a circumstance without precedent is not evidence.
    Secondly, I don`t think it`s very probable that out of all the people involved orchestrating this whole shebang, nobody figured out that it wouldn`t look like a national emergency if the Secret Service didn`t OVERreact, much less not react at all.
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    cantorthomas Male 30-39
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    October 20, 2005 at 8:59 am
    Wow, I`m impressed with IMFAO, he knows so much, I guess he sees himself in his "really intelligent" category, and that`s why he`s "getting shouted down". I`m surprised he hasn`t been taken out by the secret services - surely he knows too much. Surely the time will come when the rest of the world comes to it`s senses, realises The Truth, and thanks great pioneering, brave visionaries such as he, who are far too smart to be fooled, led like shepp, by THEM.

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