War

Submitted by: stikfas 12 years ago in Entertainment

A short flash movie about war.
There are 45 comments:
Male 2
yeah, its norwegian nice song actually.... war is not good, bush shoud be shot and iraq war shoud be ended NOW
norge er best
america suger
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Male 6
thewoz there`s no such thing as a "honorable war"
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Female 338
It`s called symbolism, Bushies. No, thewoz, soldiers aren`t robots. But war is robotic. Inhuman. A matter of power hunger disguised as a cause. Yes, war can get things done. And yes, sometimes drastic measures must be taken. Is war still a "noble cause" when innocent civilians die at our hands becuase we are so focused on wiping out our enemy? It is "patriotic" for our loved ones to go die alone overseas because they were forced to go follow a cause. War promotes hatred, and hatred is what holds our world back. Hatred is the very thing we think we`re holding back, and yet it`s the very thing we`re pushing forward. The point of this video is the war often has no point. It has a body count, and it has an outcome. But is power worth the lives of so many? And is it worth the grief of their loved ones? What it comes down to it, war is mass murder. Did you catch the Holocaust and Hitler references? That`s what they`re trying to say- that is what war can be,
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Male 820
nice song
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Female 1
For all of you wondering about the song:
It`s in norwegian and it`s from the band Kaizers Orchestra (my favourite band.. check them out)
Lyric translation:
"Father I must ask forgiveness. It`s my fault that Tony`s packed in a car cover. I`ve broken Monsieur Clavier`s regulations. You know I can`t take care of him. I plead to you. Help, Father help me. I`m standing in boots of concrete, Father help me. I said russian roulette`s not a good idea. But he felt fine so he forced me along. I watched him spin the cylinder. He put the barrel betwin his teeth. I`ll pray for you my son. Cos by him you`ve not yet been judged. Cos nobody can say no to the amount Monsieur Clavier gave. And only Father Martin knows what`s behind a hallelujah."
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Male 19
I like that song. And BTW cheeseispunk I doubt the song is spanish. It does not sound Spanish to me.
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Female 325
People think the Iraq war first only because it`s the most prominent current war. It`s plastered all over the news.

If I say "celebrity scandal" today, people will probably think of Tom Cruise, but if I said it a year ago, or a year from now, you`d be thinking of whatever celebrity scandal was current and being plastered on the news everywhere.

Are we even at war with Afghanistan? I`m sure most people think it`s just an occupation. It`s never on the news at all. And I`m sure most people on this website didn`t live thru WWII, it`s ancient history to them.

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Male 411
Don`t matter. The movie still lead some people to make that assumption. It`s like Nixon`s Vietnam speech, http://www.nixonlibrary.org/Research_Cen... . If you remove the refrences to vietnam, one could think he was talking about the Iraq war, but you would never think he was talking about WWII or The first gulf war.

In other words, the creator of this film painted war as a bad thing so some thought of Iraq first (rather then say Afghanistan) meaning somewhere inside they feel Iraq war = bad.

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Male 2,519
Either the flash failed miserably or maybe I just misunderstood its agenda.
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Male 285
Thanks thewoz
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Female 168
*their --I hate typos
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Female 168
I`ve already seen this, but I really like the song and it brings up a great point. And about not all politicians being "evil" um, no one ever said that they were, so stop acting like it. Besides, I think almost all politcians are corrupt. The evidence is shown in their dealing with corporations like Enron and their lying to us. As I`m against war and I feel like our country and other often pit the civilians against other nations by creating the idea in theiur minds that we`re "good" and theur "evil", therefore we are justified in killing mass amounts of people and they aren`t, I think that`s bull. Killing people is killing people, whatever the reason.
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Female 325
Woz already admitted it`s not about the Iraq war.

So Palfas you loose. Next time, read all the comments before contributing your own.

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Male 411
thewoz: You loose for assuming this flash was about the Iraq war. No where in the movie did they say it was, so you must have recognized some similarities your self there by proving the authors point about war.
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Male 332
`An honourable war`!! WTF?!
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Female 325
It`s just a fact that the men/women in the military are being trained to kill. That`s what war is all about. And the less thought they put into it, the better killing machines they are. They are trained to react, not to think. Those who start to think cause problems:

http://www.bendermandefense.org/

(if you can`t tell, I support Benderman)

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Male 19
You`re right, Churchill never started a war. Perhaps I misunderstood the movie then as I thought I saw two leaders (different flags in the background?) with that "angry" look on there face.
As for me falling for propaganda- you backed that up with a generic statement about a mysterious group "they" that wants me to think honorably about the war in Iraq... I assume that "they" would mean the Bush administration to which the my answer would be, Duh! But I`m not a puppet to the Bush administration so I have come to my own conclusion that it is an honorable war. BTW- we have concluded that this movie isn`t even about the Iraq war... So your point is moot.
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Male 49
thewoz, i think the only person who fallen for propaganda here is you.

Comparing the war in Iraq with WWII as an `honorable` war is exactly how they want you to think.

Churchill by the way never started a war. There`s world of difference between when your country is actually being attacked and in danger of being invaded by another hostile country, then the other way around.

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Female 380
I don`t speak Spanish.
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Male 19
Oh, and KnightmareOH, if you want to download it, open the Tools menubar in Firefox (if you`re not using Firefox, download it immediatly ;-) ) and select "Page Info". Go to the "Media" tab. Find the .swf file extension (it will be an Embed "Type"), and select save as.
Now I could just give you the link, but then you wouldn`t go out and download Firefox...
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Male 19
Wow, kathaclysm... Are you trying to tell me that our soldiers who are helping to rebuild that country right now by building and repairing schools, banks, community centers and who are also helping to spread clean water, sanitation and food to the deprived Iraqi citizens are "mindless killing machines"? With that statement you proved just how ignorant you are. I won’t even bother to debunk your other opinions, which make even less sense then you’re first.
And HOBYandy, I made the assumption that this was about the Iraq war. As we all know, assumptions can be wrong. Mine was. It doesn`t change the fact that the entire movie is a very one-sided, inaccurate OPINION of what war is.
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Male 285
Where could I download this?
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Male 3,060
actually...the creator`s homepage is www.mindistortion.org. and this was made prior to the war in iraq.
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Female 40
whoa....this is why i stay out of politics

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Female 325
Lets see... I liked the video, reminded me of a Dr. Seuss book thou:

"Now, the Star-Belly Sneetches / Had bellies with stars. / The Plain-Belly Sneetches / Had none upon thars."

For those of you who say this is "propaganda" I really just think it`s one person`s point of view... and I`ve thought about it, and I agree with them. So Woz:

1) Soldiers are mindless killing machines, or at least, that`s what any given government trains them to be.

2) Any leaders of war-faring nations do inevitably have some underlying, unstated motive.

Which leads me to Tex:

The war in Iraq isn`t about Oil as much as it was about the U.S. dollar. Saddam wanted to trade Oil in Euro`s instead of Dollars...as it is now, everyone trade`s oil in Dollars, and this keeps Dollars in high demand. So the U.S. really had to stop Saddam otherwise other countries would try to trade oil in Euro`s too, and then the Dollar would just become obviously worthless, instead of just quietly worthles

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Female 335
cool
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Male 1,132
what were they saying?
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Male 608
WAR! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR??? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! SAY IT AGAIN!!!
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Male 1,808
alright, who`s the idiot who dropped the rating!>-(
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Male 306
If it actually happed at this moment, we all r screwed and we would get WW3.
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Male 163
I think you guys make crap outta nothing.
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Male 129
you are right thewoz,one must think about the situation before talking,carefully considering the facts.all soldiers and political leaders are not evil but if we have to consider iraq war,it is prety obvious that this war is not a just one(one can ask that if that concept really exists).it`s about gaining a foothold in middle east and securing the precious oil sources.but if someday usa invades north korea,i`ll believe in usas cause.
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Female 63
how is anyone who believes sheer propaganda any better than the soldiers portrayed in the movie who just went along with everything? They couldn`t think for themselves either
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Female 63
wow thewoz, that was great. I couldn`t have said it better.
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Female 333
meh i like the music
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Male 19
Sooo... Those of you who think this movie is "So so true..." and "Very good. Its true" Apparently think the following (and I`m going to make the assumption that this movie, though "based" on a general idea of war, was influenced most by the creators idea of the Iraq war)-
1. All soldiers (including American and European soldiers, yishusing and JustMarc) are mindless idiots who will follow their leader’s evil, destructive plans without thinking for themselves.
2. Any leader in a war must be an evil lunatic bent on world domination (this would have to include the very evil likes of Winston Churchill, Ronald Regan, America`s founding fathers, and our current president, G.W. Bush).

Wow... I`m going to go out on a limb here and say that anyone who believes sheer propaganda like this really shouldn`t throw their opinions around so senselessly... They may make a fool of themselves.

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Male 238
No it isn`t true. Those videos only portray what you want to be true.
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Male 201
Both videos sucked
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Male 731
Very good. Its true.
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Male 332
So so true...
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Male 60
I didn`t understand a thing they said...
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Male 73
watch this one it freakin rocks http://www.flashplayer.com/music/menyazo...
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Male 80
nice post
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Male 78
Ahhh, now that discribes it perfectly. absoutly perfectly. good job
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Male 1,808
Link: War [Rate Link] - A short flash movie about war.
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