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106 Responses to The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism

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    amyjoy Female 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 2:33 pm
    Link: The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - A flash movie of the similarities between a fascist state and the current state of America. Mostly for the liberals, etc

    Sometimes this site is a little extreme but I liked this because I am a flaming liberal.

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    buddy Male 30-39
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    February 1, 2005 at 8:44 pm
    They are reaching for a lot of these, they take one example and make it out to seem universal.
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    ping1919 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 8:57 pm
    LOL, some of the points are true, some are a stretch, and some are dumb. Who is this professor anyways.....Dr. Huessin? LOL
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    nondescript0 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 9:31 pm
    oh please.
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    MadMaverick Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 9:32 pm
    Liberals are so f@#%ing retarded. idiots. i thank god that Bush is in charge and not some damn jackass.
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    toledo Male 13-17
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    February 1, 2005 at 9:52 pm
    That was completely insane. Everything on there was either a stretch or just plain paranoia. I did like the screw the French sign though...
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 10:01 pm
    "Mostly for the liberals..."

    almost every political post on this site is.

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    Musteval Male 13-17
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    February 1, 2005 at 10:02 pm
    I lol`d.
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    toledo Male 13-17
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    February 1, 2005 at 10:17 pm
    That was completely insane. Everything on there was either a stretch or just plain paranoia. I did like the screw the French sign though...
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    DellSucks Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 10:23 pm
    When they say 911 instead of 9/11 or Sept. 11, that`s a warning sign of ignorance for me.
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    nondescript0 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 11:09 pm
    i completely agree with hobyandy. it`s pretty annoying when you have liberal propaganda interspersed with the cool sites posted on i-a-b
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    Nneri Female 13-17
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    February 1, 2005 at 11:24 pm
    okay...more politics...*sighs* Guess I shouldn`t have signed up for life on this earth if I wanted any part of it...lol
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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 1, 2005 at 11:32 pm
    "do you disagree?"
    yes, i do disagree you little drat. i really wish this whole "divided nation" stuff would stop. we even had kids wearing black on inauguration day to protest bush. although i don`t back bush 100%, slamming him left and right isn`t making "a stronger america". i`m glad to see i`m not the only one who feels this way.
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    stellamaris Female 40-49
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    February 2, 2005 at 12:01 am
    Yep.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 12:06 am
    The man is right. But seriously has an annoying voice. And the degree to which these aspects are being pursued isn`t as high as a full blown fascist state. But yeah, it should worry us that we`ve been holding people indefinitely without trial. There`s no excuse for that. That`s not how a free country operates. It should worry us that reporters keep coming forward saying they were paid by the administration to give favorable coverage of administration policys. I mean, that right their should make us poo our pants. How do we know if we`re getting any real information if reporters are literally being bribed. Literally.

    I mean, look at us here in this conversation.

    "Who is this professor anyways.....Dr. Huessin?"

    So his ideas alone make him like a mass murder. Ok. So yeah. I really wish this whole divided nation stuff would stop too. So stop dividing America.

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    cpux Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 2:12 am
    Why do you hate America?

    (If you`re feeling offended by that question, remember that it`s said all the time on conservative radio and Fox News)

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    GASPITSHIM Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 7:49 am
    bush is a real drat up and should be shot then burnt twice drat him
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    Jiriki Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 7:51 am
    I thought that it was funny, and though some of them were stretched, I`ve thought many of those things myself.

    As a political tool, though, it`s a bit silly, because I`ve never heard those "14 traits of facism" before, so it`s likely that he just found 14 traits of the Bush administration, and renamed them.

    That said, Bush is a scary motherdrater.

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    gcxj220 Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:14 am
    Bush is an idiot, but we all knew that...
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    Uelorn Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:15 am
    It is right that we argue about politics, we are trying to decide the future of our people. Ignorant fools who complain that politcal discussion is `divisive` or `weakening`, how can exercising my right to free speech and taking an interest in the affairs of state weaken my nation? It can only strengthen it as I take up my share of responsiblity. Worse still are those apparently incapable of adult political debate simply referring to liberals as `idiots` or `unamerican` instead of engaging in rationale debate. If your so right and your opponent wrong then simply refute their arguments.

    You know I thought the enlightenment was supposed to of already happened?

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    Rich_in_VA Male 40-49
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:33 am
    Extremely funny! All of these are wildly exaggerated, and many are self-refuting, or just false on the face of it. I especially liked showing pictures of the `Abu Grab` prison at the same time he was talking about our `tolerance` of torture. Um, well, these people are being punished -- which sort of shows, well, the exact opposite of what he`s saying!
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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 9:06 am
    God, (sorry is that an offensive word for the American *coughs*religiousinfested*coughs*right*??) - in America it seems your either a Michael Moore Shagging Liberal or George Bush Mass going repressed homosexual. Get a little objective or listen/watch/read some European media. The movie was humourous - nothing else. If you have had an emotional reaction to it then you`ve done nothing more than to prove what the world thinks of a huge proportion of the american people (liberal or conservative).
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    _andread_ Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 9:54 am
    This can be described in nothing more than two words:
    Very true...
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    _andread_ Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 9:59 am
    I gave it a 4. Those guys are just dumb with their "screw the french" signs, well, NEWSFLASH who gave you the Statue of Liberty?
    Don`t take me wrong, I`m not anti-american.
    (BTW I`m not French, but that doesn`t mean I go and make other countries look bad, everyone knows Portugal rocks :P)
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    cll214 Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 10:51 am
    If your not from the usa, then shutup. oh boy, the french gave us the statue of liberty!!!..who gives a poo, we gave them their freedom more than once.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 11:43 am
    So that`s not scapegoating at all!!

    . . . la-de-la-de-la. If not for the French intervention in the Revolutionary War. . . there wouldn`t be a USA. . .

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    surveyaholic Female 13-17
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    February 2, 2005 at 11:58 am
    drat liberalism
    We need more DECENT websites given to this site, not liberal poo.

    Oh, but if we`re gonna compare our nations to dictatorships sign the UK up to Communism:
    (1) Leader supports ID cards
    (2) Leader claims to care about the poor and comes from a traditional party that do, however he does not actually like the poor.
    (3) You cannot do what you want
    (4) Children are taken away and indoctrinated into state idealism
    (5) In times of war he clings to a (according to this website anyway) Fascist, a little like Hitler and Stalin.
    (6) His party colour is red (pretty obv)
    OK, I can`t think of anymore but let`s start being anti-Labour/Democrat. I`m drating fed up of the liberal poo.

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    jinexile Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 12:10 pm
    The 14 chracteristics of Facism is not something this guy made up.

    Lawrence Britt, a political scientist apperantly did.

    Some of the points may be a stretch but some of them are bang on with what`s going on in America today.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 2, 2005 at 12:52 pm
    My two (possibly four) more cents.

    1. Nationalism - Our level of nationalist is much higher then most other nations in the developed world. But then again, it has always been that way.
    2. Distain for human rights – We do not distain human rights, it remains our guiding principle. However, we feel that it is ok to suspend human rights in cases. And we have tended not to get outraged when human rights are suspended without a proven just cause. And, sadly, the administration is currently looking to rewrite our definition of torture so that what happened in Abu Ghraib would be legal.
    3. Scapegoating – We scapegoated the French. We scapegoated the UN. We scapegoated a lot of people. But in the end, I don’t think this was a whole cultural wide thing. There are many who supported the war who did not feel the French should have been bombed first.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 12:53 pm
    5. Military Supremacy – In an actual fascist state, the military is supreme in day to day life. Here it is funded higher then all other programs, even when threats from other nations are low. We outspend our richest enemies by 10 to 1. But again, we always have.
    6. Sexism – The case can be made. But this has always been the case.
    7. Control of Media – The number of reporters who have come forward is three. In an actual fascist state, they would have been shot for doing this. But it should alarm us that I’m having to say “The number of reporters who have come forward is three.”
    8. Security – The US has always been overly concerned with security as evidenced by our incredible military spending.
    9. Religion and Government – Bush has a proven track record of using fundamentalist christen rhetoric in government. Religion has, however, long been a part of our government. Not always, despite what right wing people believe.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 12:59 pm
    10. Corporate Power Protected – It is, but always has.
    11. Labor Power Suppressed – There has not been, in resent memory, a more anti-labor president. Amongst other things, he has given tax breaks to companies which ship jobs to lower paying over-seas workers.
    12. Suppression of Free Expression and Art – Free Expression is an easy case to make, both from our government and from our culture. For instance: "Who is this professor anyways.....Dr. Huessin?" Art, isn’t quite as easy a case to make. The FCC has recently begun to make tighter restrictions on television however.
    13. Limitless power of police – Our police power is essentially limitless right now. You can be arrested without charge and detained indefinitely should they so desire. That is a simple fact. However, it would appear, -appear- that this unchecked power has not yet been misused. And currently the constitutionality of this is under heavy fire.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 1:02 pm
    14. Rampant cronyism and corruption – Anyone who is familiar with how the Iraq War has gone can attest to this being true. But the word rampant implies that it is at all levels of government. Our VP is still on the payroll of Halliburton and every year they are cutting him another million dollar check. However, beyond that, the case for the word rampant at all levels of government, is hard to make.
    15. Sham elections – 2000 was a sham. That’s just truth. If the laws of Florida with regards to recounts had been followed to the letter, Gore would have one. It’s simple fact. 2004. . . it’s hard to say. The new touch screen voting machines are famously easy to tamper with, and if anyone, (anyone with a palm pilot) wanted to, they could alter the course of history.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    February 2, 2005 at 1:05 pm
    In a true fascist state, challenges to these points result in death. So it’s clearly not a true fascist state. However, when you total everything up, you end up with a picture of very serious problem which seems to currently be in a low grade form. But without much effort, it could easily get a lot worse.
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    louhand Male 13-17
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    February 2, 2005 at 1:08 pm
    Looks like the republican plan to undermine the nation`s education system, except for the rich who can afford good schools, has worked. Because all you ignorant blind loyalists who call people who question what`s going on hater`s of America are obviously poorly educated and stupid.
    The ones who really hate what America is based on are those currently in power. They are elitists who only believe in power for the rich and hate giving equal rights and votes to all Americans. They despise the Consitution, The Geneva Convention, and regulation of industry (do you like factories dumping toxic chemicals in your water?) and Arms limits and are dismantling 200 years of progress.
    We have lost America as it was meant to be and are slipping into something much worse than Hitler`s third reich ever was. You just wait and see.
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    kathaclysm Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 2:19 pm
    It happens slowly... where do YOU draw the line?

    First they came for the Jews
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for the Communists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left
    to speak out for me.
    -Pastor Martin Niemöller

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    _andread_ Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 2:29 pm
    "If your not from the usa, then shutup. oh boy, the french gave us the statue of liberty!!!..who gives a poo, we gave them their freedom more than once."-Why, I thought the US was the home of the free, well guess what SO ARE MORE THAN 200 OTHER COUNTRIES. You gave them freedom my ass, you entered both WW`s when the Germans were already weakened so Russian, French, Portuguese and so on troops did almost all the work and you dropped by to give the final touch.
    ^Listen to louhand says, JESUS he was the only critic that said something worthwhile so far.
    On other news: BEST VIDEO ON KONTRABAND EVER!!!
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    kathaclysm Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 3:15 pm
    The way it seems...America`s all about the ME... If I`m upstream from you, I get to do what I want with the water, f-you and your cattle. Anyone who cares about the future, or their own well being, must be anti American....

    "Humanity`s about to take it in the ass in a vast, cataclysmic, geosocioeconomic-political sense." http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/end/

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    cll214 Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 3:22 pm
    oh my god andread, you need to read more books, USA didn`t just fight a few battles during WWII and defeat the germans, trust me the germans were not weakened when USA intervened, they were still very strong. oh well, I am not going to get upset at some europe boy talking down on what my grandfathers did in WWII. Everyone is allowed to their own opinions.
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    Zooks Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 3:47 pm
    "Those guys are just dumb with their "screw the french" signs, well, NEWSFLASH who gave you the Statue of Liberty?"

    Who saved them from Germany.. Twice?

    Second of all, the one that said "support of your country is facism" made me laugh.

    And no, Germany wasn`t weak in the WWs. They had Russia retreating past their own borders, and Britain was getting the crap bombed out of it. That was WWII alone. We bailed out Britain, and then organized D-Day. As for Russia, winter came. `nuff said

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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 4:21 pm
    lol i like how fast they went over point 5,rampant sexism.

    ITs sad that I-AM-B is turning into slashDot,were every geek that post, has to out-do the last geeks ego trip.

    Anyways,Nice push for portugal _andread_ !!!

    Power to zooks, and lonhand,best post in this topic :D

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 4:27 pm
    I don`t think this whole thing should be a military tit-for-tat. Supporting your country is not fascism, supporting it until it becomes a belief system, supporting it until you believe its ways are supreme above all others is. But no, military speaking, the US was a drating piece of sh*t for ignoring the problem until it directly effected us. But once we got involved we did play a very significant role. The problem is Zooks, cll214, that did not make the US into some kind of unchallengeable entity. If I saved you from a burning building, would that give me the right to shoot your dog in the head?

    (P.S. Don`t ever use "`nuff said" ever. I will find you and force you to eat a dictionary page by page if you do.)

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    Zooks Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 4:47 pm
    Stop trying to take away my freedom of speech to say, "`nuff said," liberal! Right. Anyways..

    I never said we were an unchallengeable entity. I said we aren`t facist. Bush will be out in four years.

    And, if you had saved me from a burning building, I would thank you. No, I wouldn`t let you shoot my dog in the head - unless my dog happened to be commiting genocide, and was a dictator in another country.

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    1337_p5yc0 Male 13-17
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    February 2, 2005 at 4:51 pm
    The Russians have a succesfull plan wich is a real plan. They draw the enemy as far in Siberia as they can and let them freeze and die. Worked on Hitler and Napoleon. France never expected the Nazis to enter through Belgium. England was getting bombed but guess what so was Germany. Facism is a extreme form of Conservatism, Communism is an extreme form of Liberalism.
    And another thing it were the French who stoped Cornwallis from retreating in the American Revolution, so all you ignorant Americans owe your freedom to the French navy and all the French owe the U.S. for the inspiration of Revolution. Read a book and learn.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 5:11 pm
    “Stop trying to take away my freedom of speech to say, ‘`nuff said,’ liberal!”

    It’s got nothing to do with politics. I killed Derek Frigo. http://www.enuffznuff.com/

    “I never said we were an unchallengeable entity.”

    “If your not from the usa, then shutup.” You didn’t say it, but you’re dick head little buddy did.

    “No, I wouldn`t let you shoot my dog in the head - unless my dog happened to be commiting genocide, and was a dictator in another country.”

    No, drater, the dog we shot in the head is the international standard of law. You may have good intentions or not, but you can`t shoot that dog in the head. And Saddam wasn’t committing genocide, but was maintaining a repressive regime which used murder as a tool for keeping generations of people in line.

    And for the last drating time, if our national vision for the world is so dra

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 5:11 pm
    king great, if we didn’t like Saddam’s murders, then why did we arm him and support him while he was doing them?
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 5:13 pm
    Drater. I like that.
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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 5:23 pm
    lol, i love the way some of the americans are all "Who saved the Europeans ass in WW1/WW2" with little reflection on the fact that most Americans are the dissendents of Europeans.

    I sincerely hope the states breaks up in my lifetime or at least it becomes law (subject to corporate benefit) to provide some objective media or teach kids in school how to form opinions that aren`t polarised and deeply ingrained in nationalistic bollocks.

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    Zooks Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 5:29 pm
    If you prove a whiney liberal wrong, they`ll call those that support you dick heads. Great job, Ragdrazi.

    And, 1337, you just restated everything I said, except you threw two things in.
    1.) Frech didn`t expect Germany to go thru Belgium
    Response: Doesn`t change the fact that we saved them.. twice.

    2. Germany was getting bombed too
    Response: no where near as much as Britain before the US entered the war.

    Yes, France helped us in the American Revolution. Then they made us pay them for it later in war debts.

    I don`t believe we requested a dime from France after either of the WWs.

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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:02 pm
    Zooks: Yes, France helped us in the American Revolution. Then they made us pay them for it later in war debts.


    errrmmmm.... Britain later cancelled the debts of those it helped out after the war. The US however didn`t. Infact only next year will Britain have paid off all its US war debts. Of course this oney is nothing compared to the $Trillions deficit the Bush administration has left you with.

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    Zooks Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:17 pm
    There`s a major difference between france and Britain. For instance - now this might surprise you, so make sure you`re sitting down - they`re two different countries! I do believe we should have canceled the debt that Britain owed us along time ago. However, Britain "owes" America 3.75 billion, and has been given 60 years to pay it. (It`s due in 2006.)

    To quote a website:
    "The American government was loaded with some $25 million of war debts and close to bankruptcy. The French government wouldn’t extend any more credit and was concerned to have existing loans repaid. Those loans were renegotiated at a higher rate of interest. "

    Now, factor in inflation and all that good stuff, and yeah.

    So, in other words, France was demanding we pay their war debts back DURRING the war! Well, atleast it`s people were.

    Anyone have any clue if Britain paid the 3.75 billion yet? If not, I think 2006 will roll around and it won`t even be mentioned by the Bush Adminis

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    Zooks Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:20 pm
    If you`re looking for what I was using for some info, here:
    http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Field...

    Also, I mis-understood something. The LAST part of the debt from britain is 3.75 billion (thought that sounded a bit low.) Anyone know what the accumulated war debt was that they owed America?

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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:25 pm
    Anyone who cares about the future, or their own well being, must be anti American....

    i really, sincerely hope this was a joke or sarcasm, or it`s the most infuriating, treason-filled statement i have ever read on this site. whether you are a liberal, a moderate or a conservative, if you are anti-american, you have no right to be here. you are a traitor. become an ex-patriot if you feel that strongly. i`m sick of all these choleric, closeminded liberals using every kind of slam they can to make all conservatives look like bible-thumping 1950`s-hearkening gun toters! you scream for tolerance, but you have no tolerance with conservatives. the phrase "anti-american" should make all US citizens` toes curl and blood boil. if you are anti-american, you will do anything to try and destroy this country. i suggest you rethink your choice of words, or validate me on my theory of liberals being closeminded by absolutely slamming my post. my bet is most will opt for the latte

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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:28 pm
    lol, my bet is you will opt for the LATTER, not the latte. forgot about that 1000 character limit when i was in rant mode, there :-)
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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:30 pm
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    Zooks Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:43 pm
    Broken link :(
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:50 pm
    “If you prove a whiney liberal wrong, they`ll call those that support you dick heads. Great job, Ragdrazi.“

    You haven’t proven a god damn single thing here. “If your not from the usa, then shutup.” is a dick headed thing to say, and that’s the truth of that.

    “if you are anti-american, you have no right to be here. you are a traitor.”

    Two things. You have to define anti-American. If we define it as being opposed to American foreign and domestic policy, then you are not a traitor, you are an important part of the checks and balances in this country, and I would have to agree that, as far as I have seen “anyone who cares about the future, or their own well being, must be anti American” in that since. However, if what you are against are basic American freedoms, the ideals of justice, then yeah, I guess that’s a traitor. But then again, such a person wouldn’t really give a rats as about the future would the

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:52 pm
    they. So obviously that’s not the sense in which she meant it.

    “i`m sick of all these choleric, closeminded liberals using every kind of slam they can”

    You need to understand that every slam has a fact behind it. However you feel about the slams is your own problem. That you and your kind will not deal in facts is mine.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 6:55 pm
    “In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn`t like… I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House`s displeasure…
    The aide said that guys like me were `’in what we call the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ‘That`s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We`re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you`re studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we`ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that`s how things will sort out. We`re history`s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’”
    ~New York Times Magazine, 10 17 04
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    its.vintage Female 13-17
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:01 pm
    Ok i don`t like liberal or conservative proganda, sure my daily michael moore is fun but that was a bit.... Anyway though i think it was pretty good, a little scary and overall it kicked conservative corporate ass. I`m constantly sad when i see my civil rights being taken away by things like the patriot act and when i see torture and no one getting punished (Alberto Gonzales)who was high up on the food chain and then getting promoted. I`m sick of republicans and ann coulter.

    compassionate conservatives can kiss my ass

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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:15 pm
    boy, rag. my kind? way to jump to conclusions. and overdramatize things. and your whole melodramatic shmiel on what anti-american is is totally missing my point. anti american means you are AGAINST america. take anti, then american, and look it up in a dictionary. you wish to see the downfall of america.

    people who don`t agree with the way things are being done and want to work and make it change are not anti american.

    you, and all the other michael moore bloated "freethinkers" really need to work on not only finding problems within the system, but lucid solutions to fix them.

    "your kind"- way to wave that closemindedness right out in the air. comapassionate conservatives CAN kiss your ass, because it`s so wide from sitting around and WHINING all the time and never doing anything, and is apparently where most of your ideals come from but, as conservatives are-well-conservative, i`m sure they`d really rather not.

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    gcxj220 Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:21 pm
    I hate you all, so...
    suck on THIS!
    eat POO!
    DRAT you!
    kiss MY ass!
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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:27 pm
    that`s right, i went there! and rag, you are more than welcome to take some more quotes and total skew them. :-D
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:41 pm
    Where was that statement melodramatic again? "That you and your kind will not deal in facts is mine." Now that was melodramatic.
    The problem is, your kind, and yes, your kind, has very often defined anti-Americanism as standing in opposition to American policies. You guys need to do some kind of pow wow on that one to figure out your group think.

    "because it`s so wide from sitting around and WHINING all the time and never doing anything, and is apparently where most of your ideals come from"

    "`...the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’"

    Same statement.
    The problem is that when ever liberals come up with lucid solutions, they instantly aquire disparaging labels. "Communist" "Politically Correct." It doesn`t matter how much good they will do, they always get pooed upon. I`ve been spat on in the streets tryi

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:42 pm
    ng people I have a solution. Doesn’t matter. Is that melodramatic. Maybe I should show you the pictures.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:43 pm
    Where have my use of quotes been skewed. Explain to me where I have misrepresented you`re ideas. Please. If I`m wrong I want to know.
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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 8:54 pm
    OK, rag. You`re not one of THEM. my hackles were all up because of the amount of "bush is a real drat up and should be shot then burnt twice drat him"esque statements that have been put up here. Yes, I concede, "supporting it until it becomes a belief system, supporting it until you believe its ways are supreme above all others" is wrong. however a lot of these liberals (which, by the way fall into one of three categories: college student, unemployed or well off enough to follow the liberalism trend) have been brainwashed by things such as the link to make them hate bush, right or wrong and take the side of the oppressed, right or wrong.
    "my kind" is not the bush-awed conservatism. i hate just as much being branded like that and my ideas automatically being brushed off and/or screamed at by these diehard demmes. i`m sure i hate it just as much as you hate being called "communist", "politically correct" or traitor. the idea-
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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 2, 2005 at 9:00 pm
    -the main idea- i was trying to stress before i picked up a handful of mud and started slinging out of frustration is, that the phrase "anti-american" should be as taboo as the word "I am a racist!". but directors like moore and these millionare liberal actors are making "anti-american" a cool thing to be. we hate bush, we are ashamed to be americans. that`s not the attitude "you people" need. that phrase should not be thrown around and admired. now, as for quotes being "skewed" i have just been reading all of your posts and they tend to jump around a lot and include a lot of "drating" and "drater" whether or not i think someone`s opinion is right or wrong shouldn`t get in the way of a good debate. anti americanism and liberal closemindedness, constantly will.
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    Bullzeye Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 12:04 am
    its.vintage
    Female, 13-17, Eastern US
    --------------------------
    A juvenile female from the East Coast...gee, there`s a shock.

    I was merely amused at her childish ignorance when I read the bit about her "daily Michael Moore", or "kicking conservative corporate ass.".

    When she started in on the bit about "torture and no one getting punished (Alberto Gonzales)who was high up on the food chain and then getting promoted.", she crossed the line into my domain.

    I spent nearly 2 years of my life bearing witness to the results of Saddam Hussein`s torture machine. I`ve seen things that they wouldn`t dare show in the media, for fear of exposing what the REAL definition of torture is. Stuff that I`m still dealing with to this day.

    And yes, I have seen Abu G first hand, amongst other places. And it has only reinforced what I say to you now: You cheapen the word torture and those who have suffered it when you compare a man`s intestines being pulled o

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    Bullzeye Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 12:05 am
    out with a hook in front of his family for the crime of speaking out against the Baath party to hardened criminals being made to wear orange jumpsuits, stand on one leg and listen to Megadeth.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    leenukuh Female 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 5:17 am
    i just want to say this because it`s been bothering me...most europeans are still thankfull for the fact that the us helped us out during the 2 ww`s for the simple fact that we hear about it from our grandparents and we learn about it in school (nearly every school year i`ve had to learn about it) i know what i`m going to say now is perhaps a bit cheap...Thanks to american soldiers my greatgrandmother survived the 2 ww`s(and i`m here today) but when she heared about the us invading iraq she was scared and hoped they wouldn`t do it. why? because she knows what war is like. She is still thankfull for what america did back then but doesn`t agree with what they`re doing now. it`s like agdrazi said it`s not because i saved you from a building on fire that i can shoot your dog when i want to. So we haven`t forgotten we just have a different opinion at the moment about certain things and i belive that`s still something people can do?
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    leenukuh Female 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 5:22 am
    *ragdrazi*
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    cll214 Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 8:21 am
    hey wow, the first european that has made a good point, thank you leenukuh. And thank you Zooks. Ragdrazi, all I was saying when I made the quote, "if your not from the USA, then shutup" meant that it seems like the first people to complain about Bush and U.S. politics are not even from America. Two things people need to realize, 1. If you are live in the U.S., stop complaining and thank god you have what you have, it could be a lot worse somewhere else. 2. POLITICS WILL ALWAYS BE CORRUPT, NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED AND NO MATTER WHAT THEY PROMISE, ITS THE WAY OF THE WORLD, get use to it, they only want one thing - power. I apologize to anyone I have offended with my comment. I am very passionate about WWII(buff), but the French piss me off.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 1:35 pm
    Um. Flovebunny. . . Bush is a real drat up and should be shot then burnt twice drat him.
    I’m sorry. But the guy hasn’t risen to the level of a person who I would declare an adequate human being.

    “liberals (which, by the way fall into one of three categories: college student, unemployed”

    Yeah. This is generally a movement of educated poor people.

    “or well off enough to follow the liberalism trend)”

    What trend? You guys got more votes this time then you did last time. These 14 points keep getting more and more aggressively pursued. You guys are the trend.

    “have been brainwashed by things such as the link to make them hate bush, right or wrong and take the side of the oppressed, right or wrong.”

    It’s not being brainwashed to be convinced by fact. It’s not being brainwashed to follow the course of current events and find fault. And what do you mean “take the side of the oppressed, right or wrong

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 1:36 pm
    ”? That’s what we should always do.

    "’my kind’ is not the bush-awed conservatism.”

    I’ve seen you act Bush-Awed more then once on these boards. I think the problem is that modern conservatism has been led so far down the fundamentalist path, it doesn’t know what’s normal anymore.

    “the phrase ‘anti-american’ should be as taboo as the word ‘I am a racist!’. but directors like moore and these millionare liberal actors are making ‘anti-american’ a cool thing to be.”

    How many times does Michael Moore have to say he loves his country before you people will listen to him. How many times do you people have to call my people “anti-American” before you realize we have a valid point to make? We did not brand ourselves with that phrase. But there are many who will wear it, because they feel that this system is so f’ed up it is in need of destruction and replacement w

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 1:37 pm
    with one which will remain true those core American values from which we’ve continuously strayed.

    “we hate bush, we are ashamed to be americans. that`s not the attitude ‘you people’ need.”

    I read this in a book once, and it is very true. Conservatives love America like a five year old loves mommy. In their eyes mommy can do no wrong, and if anyone says anything bad about mommy, they go into a snit. Liberals love America like an adult. Understanding that there are things about it which are wrong. That is it flawed. That there are things that need changing. To be ashamed of American actions, is not to be ashamed of core American values.

    “liberal closemindedness”

    The problem with tolerance and open mindedness is that it is impossible to be tolerant of intolerance, open minded to close mindedness.


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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 1:38 pm
    “You should be ashamed of yourself.”

    No. You should be ashamed of yourself. So the real definition of torture is only what Saddam Hussein has done? Ok. Then how about I break into your house, strip you down, force you to masturbate, cover you with feces, and rape your children. Because that’s the sh*t you’re defending right now. That’s what happened at “Abu G.” “Hardened criminal” children were raped.

    http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/w...
    http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/w...
    Nothin` wrong with that sh*t huh?

    You’re a soldier. You’re supposed to defend our core American values. But you drating use Saddam as your moral yard stick? Anything less then pulling out intestines cheapens the definition of

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 1:39 pm
    of torture? You are a piece of human sh*t, and I don’t want people like you defending me on the front line. You cheapen everything America stands for.

    “Ragdrazi, all I was saying when I made the quote, ‘if your not from the USA, then shutup’ meant that it seems like the first people to complain about Bush and U.S. politics are not even from America.”

    So the drat what.

    “Two things people need to realize, 1. If you are live in the U.S., stop complaining and thank god you have what you have, it could be a lot worse somewhere else.”

    was not the attitude our founding fathers wanted us to take with regards to government.

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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 3:13 pm
    i cant think of a country i would want to live in less than the united states in terms of how its people think. what do most of these contributors do for the "American way" apart from shout about stuff that pertains no logic.....??? I feel deeply sorry for every unfortunate soul that had no choice in being born in the US.
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    amyjoy Female 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 4:52 pm
    I love America, I am anti-Bush. I knew you guys needed a taste of the generals forum in here. :D

    This is my fav comment:
    "Liberals are so f@#%ing retarded. idiots. i thank god that Bush is in charge and not some damn jackass."
    Bwahahahaha! Very intellegent *sarcasm*. Love the irony.
    That flash movie was a little drastic, but had some good points. Thats my own true opinion.

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    1337_p5yc0 Male 13-17
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    February 3, 2005 at 5:21 pm
    ragdrazi: king great, if we didn’t like Saddam’s murders, then why did we arm him and support him while he was doing them? ragdrazi, if you would pick a history book and read it, no looking at pictures only, you would find that Iraq was in a war with good ol` Iran. At this Iran Ayatollah Ali took over Iran and since Iraq are both Islamic nations but the majoritys are members of different sects. So it was either Ali who later kidnaped the U.S. embasedors or this random guy who appeared. And Ali was deeply anti-america, like your Osama who was also U.S. backed when U.S.S.R. was occupieng Afghanistan.
    And I also love what my liberal pals say: "OMG BUSH WON!!! I AM GOING TO CANADA AND PROTEST AND GET MY VOICE HEARD!"
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 6:14 pm
    Well, you got some facts wrong out of your supposedly pictureless history book there. Iraq was a secular nation, and Saddam was not a random guy that appeared, we backed the Bath Party from the very beginning. But, hey! You made my point much better then I could. As apposed to dealing with our own problems in the region, we decided to support a dictator we knew murdered his own people, with arms that we knew were going to be used to kill his own people, and when the people tried to rise up against him, we helped put down the rebellion. I mean, like you said, this is eventually the same story with OBL, and the Afghan Warlords who paved the way for the Taliban. But hey, if you`re find with a foreign policy that has created and established hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths and international Muslim fundamentalist terrorism that`s cool. I know I couldn`t be comfortable with that much blood on my hands.
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    Yacks007 Male 18-29
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    February 3, 2005 at 8:26 pm
    I`ll i have to say is that bush has done more for this country than John Ferry could ever do. Kerry, oh excuse me. FERRY wouldn`t have had the balls to stand up to the U.N. like Bush did. If Ferry knew he had a shot st Ohio, he wouldn`t have conceded now would he.
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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2005 at 7:11 am
    "FERRY wouldn`t have had the balls to stand up to the U.N. like Bush did."

    yes... because going against world opinion in an arrogant and childlike manner really makes a country...!!

    I can`t believe you Yanks. You take sides and hate each other - your views are so different - but really they aren`t your views - they are the views of what you have been told by church/media (all funded by people with personal interests). America land of the free??? Yeah... whatever... morelike a Bi-Dictatorship.

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    cll214 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2005 at 11:25 am
    "America land of the free??? Yeah... whatever... morelike a Bi-Dictatorship." - drylimes

    It is the land of the free, thats why we can all have our own opinions and state them out loud, how is that a dictatorship???? I am not using force to get Ragdrazi to see my side of it.

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    cll214 Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2005 at 11:26 am
    First of all Ragdrazi, in regards to your comment at the top of the page about those prisoners. What that group of American soldiers did to those prisoners was not right at all, but it was a few bad eggs, not the whole American army. Also maybe If you would read a book you would realize that what happens to American soldiers as prisoners in ANY war is far worse than getting stripped down naked and beaten, not that it makes it right, but you can`t be one-sided like you are. If you are so anti-american then move somewhere else, we don`t need you man. Go live with the french and sit on your sofa and read STAR magazine with stories about Bat Boy and the teenage werewolf, since you seem to believe everything you read, you will fit right in. Anyway, everyone has a right to their own opinion. However, Ragdrazi, you read into everything way to much and just ramble on forever about it.
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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 4, 2005 at 2:43 pm
    "It is the land of the free, thats why we can all have our own opinions and state them out loud, how is that a dictatorship???? I am not using force to get Ragdrazi to see my side of it"

    You have two dominant political parties with little difference between them except implicit "ideologies". That to me is a Bi-Dictatorship.

    Sorry I haven`t read anything on these boards to suggest Americans really do have their own opinions. Your such a polarized nation who stands behind one of either two views on everything "I am a pro-war american and don`t try and tell me otherwise" OR "I hate my stupid f*cking government and their oil war"

    How about you stop bickering with each other and get together and start a campaign against North Korea.... North Korea, you know, that place where they have concentration camps and gas people and pretty much deny most human rights (oh wait, North Korea has no oil...)

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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2005 at 1:14 am
    You are nauseatingly persistant in chopping up my argument of the need for patriotism and the need for liberals and conservatives to stick together for a strong america and still maintain their intrinsic beliefs and act upon them instead of taking potshots at one another, Ragdrazi, instead of looking at my argument as a whole. And I sincerely sympathize with every one of you who`s had their posts up here dissected by wrist-slapping Rag, who puts people who aren`t liberal thinkers back in "their place". Intelligent debate has been replaced on IAB by one upping with the grand master Ragdrazi lording over us all. Sad thing is, I wouldn`t be suprised if this post gets chopped up like this
    " earnest statement of what i belief" <-fb
    drat drat drater, closeminded bush lover <-rag
    "requesting that this be kept to a debate" <-fb
    drat drat i have pictures of my liberal plight
    "i respect your opinion but will stay true to mine" &
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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2005 at 1:17 am
    "i respect your opinion but will stay true to mine" <-fb
    DRAT! I win because I had the last word!<-rag

    "Historically, the best way to convert liberals is to have them move out of their parents` home, get a job, and start paying taxes. But if that doesn`t work, you might actually have to argue
    i`m not even trying to convert here, but the quote felt like it fit.

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    GASPITSHIM Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2005 at 4:29 am
    i`m going to move to cuba communism 4 ever drat bush ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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    cll214 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2005 at 7:49 am
    "How about you stop bickering with each other and get together and start a campaign against North Korea.... North Korea, you know, that place where they have concentration camps and gas people and pretty much deny most human rights (oh wait, North Korea has no oil...)" - Drylimes

    Why don`t you and your european friends get together and start a campaign against them?? Why wait for the USA to do something about it??(oh wait, thats how it always is...)

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    drylimes Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 1:31 pm
    "Why don`t you and your european friends get together and start a campaign against them?? Why wait for the USA to do something about it??(oh wait, thats how it always is...)"

    Because America has the military muscle (which it seems unable to use properly Re: British Troops having to "retrain" American ones out in Iraq!) - if you want to achieve anything military in this world you HAVE to have America behind you.

    Even with the European economy growing (note all those selling of US Dollars by big banks to be replaced by Euros) its unlikely the governments will ever spend as much as the US on their military (I can imagine they will increase their welfare support and look after their needy a bit better... but thats already above and beyond what the Bush Administration does)...

    This is the worlds frustration - the biggest military might is controlled by a corrupt government elected by a innately thick nation.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 3:49 pm
    Wow. You dudes kept going didn’t you? Jesus. Well, I guess it warrants a response.

    “they are the views of what you have been told by church/media (all funded by people with personal interests).”

    I don’t think that’s true, and I also don’t think you’re exactly in a position to adequately make that statement. You don’t know what’s internally wrong with this country or how to make it right. I have not been influenced by any church or media, but I am part of a movement, and I will concede that the movement itself has influenced my thinking. But the movement is not driven by any personal interests, but a collective moral conscious.

    “but it was a few bad eggs, not the whole American army.”

    It was more then a few bad eggs. It was a systemic problem at both that prison camp and several before it. And that’s the truth. And I’m not lying when I say they are trying to rewrite or definition of terrorism s

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 3:50 pm
    so that what happened in “Abu G” would be acceptable.

    “not that it makes it right, but you can`t be one-sided like you are.”

    How am I one sided? That I want to apply what is supposed to be the American standard of decency to the actions of American soldiers? I condemn torture where ever I see it.

    “Go live with the french and sit on your sofa and read STAR magazine with stories about Bat Boy and the teenage werewolf, since you seem to believe everything you read, you will fit right in.”

    I don’t even understand a word you’re trying to spew.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 3:54 pm
    “Your such a polarized nation who stands behind one of either two views on everything ‘I am a pro-war american and don`t try and tell me otherwise’ OR ‘I hate my stupid f*cking government and their oil war’”

    But can you deign that the wars are being fought for reasons that are not just?

    “(oh wait, North Korea has no oil...)”

    I guess not. So what you have is a situation in which people are supporting wars fought for unjust reasons, and that people like me have no choice but to try to shout over their irrational din just to try to stop the freight train before it crushes more people. That is America today.

    “You are nauseatingly persistant”

    Nauseatingly? Wow! That’s a new one for me. I’m sure you can handle it.

    “in chopping up my argument”

    You don’t have an argument. You have a delusion.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 3:54 pm
    “of the need for patriotism and the need for liberals and conservatives to stick together for a strong america and still maintain their intrinsic beliefs and act upon them instead of taking potshots at one another,”

    My intrinsic values tell me that the course of actions we are taking is wrong. The only way I can act upon them is to convince people that they are wrong through assuring fact after fact. And that places me in contradiction with conservatives right now, who don’t want to act on fact. They see themselves as “histories actors” not based in reality. They said it. I did not. Being nice doesn’t seem to work anymore. So I try to sound as much like a right wing jack-ass while I talk about these things because that seems to be the only way to be heard. Yes. I’ve argued with people for a very long time. I tried to do this nicely. But these are I nearly word for word attacks that have been handed to me by your side.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 3:57 pm
    The last ellection was lost by someone who tryed to do this nicely, and won by someone who did not try to do anything nicely. You tell me the score.

    “dissected by wrist-slapping Rag,”

    That’s quite the complement. The rest of your post falls into ridiculous caricature which is not bared out by either my posts or yours. I have gone to pains to be as nice to you as possible, and I do not desire the last word. I do however wish to always contradict that which is wrong. And I think you’re upset because you don’t have a point which hasn’t been contradicted by fact yet.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 3:58 pm

    "Historically, the best way to convert liberals is to have them move out of their parents` home, get a job, and start paying taxes. But if that doesn`t work, you might actually have to argue ”

    Historically, eh? Where’s the history book on that? I’d like to read it, but it seems like it would have too many pictures for me. But whatever. People like us have very hard lives at the bottoms of society and see the systems which cause it, and the pain in causes in those around us. And that’s why we fight. Poor = conservative isn’t true. I don’t have a home.

    “i`m going to move to cuba communism 4 ever drat bush ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha”

    The Cuban system is morally bankrupt as was the USSR. But then again neither of these systems are anything Marx would have declared communist.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 3:59 pm
    “if you want to achieve anything military in this world you HAVE to have America behind you.”

    Do you begin to see the problem? In America a verity of things have lead Americans to believe they have cultural, moral superiority over the intire world. But because they have not examined the situations which created these things, the situations which show America to be culturally and morally bankrupt itself, the carry on.

    The core American values of justice and tolerance are fine. Even the most “anti-American” would never claim to stand against them. I do not. But our inability to look beyond our boarders without bias has damned us over and over again to actions which no free nation should ever engage in.

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    jaida1964 Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 5:16 pm
    Don`t wanna be an American Idiot
    Don`t want a nation under the new mania
    And can you hear the sound of hysteria
    The subliminal mind-drat America...
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    flovebunny Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2005 at 7:01 pm
    this is hysterical. rag, i give up. i`m not even mad anymore. good for you for sticking to your beliefs, and good for me for doing the same. this has gone on for too long, and i am demurely tipping my hat (i swear, after rag`s seven postings in a row, and jaida`s "american idiot" lyrics right afterwards, it all just started seeming funny) and i`m glad you are compimented by being called "nauseating" )-|
    , but to each his own...
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2005 at 1:14 am
    Ah, whatever. Seven posts were due to the fact that you guys hadn`t given up this subject for several days while I was gone. You find it hysterical and yet you can`t take issue with anything factual there, so that`s fine. I`m nauseated by that, so I guess that makes us even.
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    cll214 Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2005 at 3:39 pm
    Rag, you can keeping talking all you want, the only one listening is yourself. I will admit that some of your points are very good, but others sound like they are right out of a book and I believe you really don`t know what your talking about sometimes, but who cares...moving on this subject is dead.....go ahead post 6 more 1000 letter blocks Rag!! just so you can get the last word.
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    dremassa66 Male 18-29
    72 posts
    February 19, 2005 at 10:14 pm
    I am i liberal, but i even admit who ever produced this was a little looney and must have been smoking da weed
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    jaida1964 Female 18-29
    238 posts
    February 20, 2005 at 7:45 pm
    I was too lazy to comment, so I let Green Day do it for me.

    One more thing:

    This land is your land, this land is my land. So stay on your own damn land!

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    Dweed Male 13-17
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    July 25, 2005 at 11:43 pm
    I`m liberal, and even so, this is stupid and one-sided. In fascism, there are no real elections period. In fascism, the dictator is there for as long as he wants as opposed to set terms for an American president. For "unfair elections", so what? In fascism, there are ALWAYS unfair elections or none at all, but in America, it`s just 2000 and that`s it (hopefully).
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    iamrobot13 Male 13-17
    148 posts
    July 5, 2007 at 6:27 pm
    Eeesh, its so true, thank god I live in canada.
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