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Then again, I haven`t even tried them `cause I`m such a wuss. I`m so clumsy. I`d probably possess everyone in the world because I`d be all like: "Uhh, like, spirit dudes! I want you to get over here, yO. I got this new band to show you, it`s awesome, man."
-666TH LAYER OF HELL`D!!!-
i can`t even understand how you could believe in this!
Most, if not all, of these spells seem to me to be pretty fake. Then again, I`m not an occultist, or a Wiccan. Nor do I claim to be an expert on this, since I`ve only done a tiny amount of research...but I thought the purpose of practicing magic was less to gain what you want, and more to simply influence everything on the whole for the better. So why would you need a weight loss spell, or a love spell?
Not to say they don`t exist - they probably do. I just don`t see the point.
He`s actualy my friend`s boyfriend`s best friend. Nver met the guy in person, nor do I wish to. The boyfriend and his friend give me the creeps. That`s part of the reson I never did that spell. I just can`t trust them.
Anyway, point being... Do it if you want to, just know what yor doing and be willing to face the consequences first.
Also: most actual Wiccans are just as annoyed as you people seem to be by the people who are Wiccan just because they think it`s cool or rebellious or something. Some of us actually took time to consider Wicca and other religions before deciding on a spiritual path that was right for us.
Long comment short (too late, I know), take the time to learn about a religion before you dismiss it and all its followers as stupid or pathetic.
Otherwise, deal with the fact that your "Make Susie Love Me" spells aren`t going to work any time soon.
And corpse, don`t worry about it. No matter what you do, there will always be someone out there who disagrees. ^^
One time a friend of mine was trying to prove me that spirits exists... Then I said that he could only prove me if he had evidences... Then he said he did not needed evidences to prove it, just the millions of people believing togheter and the feeling of it prooved itself.
Then, i asked him if he believes that im the Mayor of our city, he told me if I showed him some documents telling it he would believe...
Then, i proved my point with style and grace (lol)
You know people.... The hard thing to prove that ghosts and stuff do not exists is the fact that they were never proved existing...
Evidence... its all we need...
Colective-sense does not makes one thing real.Or we would have the earth as the center of the universe.
Lets talk evidence :)
They`re both silly fairytale beliefs based on the assumption that there`s one or more big, magical men in the sky.
I know some people around school who are wiccan and as far as I can gather, it`s mostly a religion about appreciating nature and keeping up your good energy, not riding around on broomsticks or casting spells.
Interesting site; definitely sparked a lot of discussion.
Well:1. Where the heck did you learn how to do stuff? Hogwarts?
2. How many "magic related deaths" do you hear about?
I believe in an otherworld of some sort, but it`s damn arrogant to bother the spirits there in order to help you get your 7th grade sweetie back or make money instead of actually trying to do those things yourself.
By the way, not all wiccans are dianic... Diana was a Roman goddess anyway, not a celtic one.
Now, excuse me while I go perform the "Wish" spell and wish that some people had common sense.
Cmmon, even if i believed in spirits, im sure they would have better things to do....
My parents have mediums and such come around to our house alot, and they have done sice before i was even born. Nothing bad has ever happened at my house ... yeah people have died and such but thats natural you cant go blaming a 92 year old dying on the mediums coming round!! So all that bull on something bad will happen to you if you do anything like this is crap. S hit happens get over it its life!! And all the storys you hear of people ending up in mental assylums after practicing whitch craft is poo. The only reason they are in there is that they get so damn scared about something happening that they send themselves insane because of people like smigbaafum telling them crappy storys of how people die when they do stuff like that.....so quite frankly i would say your the greater evil rather than some `demons`
i apologise for any spelling mistakes.
As for you, ragdrazi, quoting practically every sentence smigbaafm says and then saying why it`s wrong, and vice versa...you`re just wasting your time. You two will never understand each other`s point of views!
“and Radgdrazi, because you won`t even acceppt what i belive in a hypothetical sense to see my point of view,”
You don’t have point of view, because what you look at isn’t reality. You have to be looking at something real before you can have a view on it. I can’t accept a hypothetical view of something that isn’t true. I have some pride in myself.
“(i may bealive in god but i respect all relgions)”
Good for you. We need more like you. Now if only you would spell out the word “question” at the end of your sentences. Go ahead. It’ll make you seem like an intellectual.
I have no idea what you are talking about here. You can`t be saying one of those “quite a few more steps” is killing people. Serously, what the f*cking hell are you saying.
“and even still, the bad stuff may take a while to come”
Yes. Like when they take you to Lilith Fair and you see a really cute girl but then you realize, to your horror. . . she`s a LESBIAN!! A LESBIAN!!!
“and wicca is too the fastest GROWING, though small it gets the most followers over time”
Not according to the article I read a couple of months ago. Sorry to shoot your fear of the creeping horrors in the leg, but the fastest GROWING religion is "Other." See, I read newspapers so I know these things. But, you ca
And spells often fail. Religious always explain why the mystical forces do not always grant requests. At least Wiccans feel they have only themselves to blame if their prayers fail, where as if yours doesn’t, it’s because it didn’t fit into some plan you’ll never know about.
“and i know Tolkein was a catholic, but i do knowpeople against that stuff”
And so those people are stupid.
Mean bullpoo answer: Yeah, maybe she’ll cast a spell to help you with your spelling and grammar. </strongbad>
Seriously though, would you be asking these questions if you walked into a Jew’s house and saw her menorah? Actually though, there is danger. Yes, if you stay at her house too long she might summon forth the constabulary forces, men dressed all in blue who will wisk you from the premises. Fear the order of restraining.
“right there you said mad....”
Intellectually mad. Replace mad with negative for same effect.
Hell, I`ll be happy with just one. Any volunteers?
and wicca is too the fastest GROWING, though small it gets the most followers over time
and Radgdrazi, because you won`t even acceppt what i belive in a hypothetical sense to see my point of view, there`s no doubt you will just say its all made up and stupid anyway. i won`t even argue if you can`t do thatand please, spare me the stupid remark
now Diania and celtics and stuff is a whole other story, sorry if i made any genreralization like that.
because you do not belive in either christianity or wicca at all, of coarse you would claim there is no power
now a prayer is a request, which means you will not always get it,not that you will use power, instead, we never use the power, God does that
and i know Tolkein was a catholic, but i do knowpeople against that stuff(it wasnt directed at you in particular Ragdrazi)
yes getting rid of all arms is a dumb idea that wont work, but when the Bible talks about not killing at all, it was kinda at a time when there were so few peop
That difference is then only in you`re head, because it`s not in your posts.
"did you know that the fastest growing religion today is wicca?"
No. The fastest growing religion today is "Other," those who do not even check Atheist in the polls.
"tolerance has become out of control."
Damn that out of control tolerance. If only we had more intolerance. More war, more vilence. Look some things need to be opposed. Wicca isn`t one of them. It`s just a silly religion.
"there IS harm in trying!!!"
There`s harm in looking like a dumbass when they tell you to put on the pyramid hat. . .
What is that book. . . um. . . the Book of Psalms. . . What is that thing. . . that they do in chirch. . . sing together. . . It`s all about who has the real power to portray the other one as evil and scary.
Did it come from Paris Hilton?
“and yes we should try more to fix the world`s problems, but why do you think people use supernatural power to try to fix them? cuz they`re too lazy to do it themselves, and its becoming todays culture, i mean what does miss america wish for? world peace”
Christans try to use just as much supernatural power to fix things. Occasionally they put the force of arms behind that, and that’s when things get really scary.
You ever actually see this stuff in action? You ever actually been to a séance? Let me explain to you. You will walk away laughing. The only power it has, is that which is in their heads. And yours sadly.
“is the stuff that throws a person`s faith off.”
I’m sorry. Do you feel challenged.
“and i realize that D&D, magic the gathering lord of the rings, final fantasy, harry potter, etc. are just stories and games, but alot of people take the content offensively.”
Dude! J.R.R. Tolken was a devout Christian writing about what is essentially the triumph of the Christian god over the Christian Satan! He was friends with C.S. Lewis who’s fantasy “The Chronicles of Narna” are about the power of the Christian faith! What a tiny world it must be to be offended at fantasy art that uplifts your o
Ahh, you’re wrong. Their just involved in stupid stuff.
“a request for something, rather than using power to get what you want.”
To request is to use some amount of power.
“but it leads us down a good path to salvation, rather than taking us off it”
Down the yellowbrick road to happy town, not the dark scary path to scary scary land. Yes, we’ve heard it before.
Where did I say that I said you were mad?
“i was trying to explain something and give advice,”
“you seem to make more assumptions than you claim i do.”
Ok. . . Where.
“and what do you think wicca and other witchcraft is? whose power do you think they try to get power from? SATAN you moron!”
Nope. The worship the Goddess Diana which was worshiped in the Celtic highlands before the intervention of Christianity and therefore SATAN into the area. Or at least they claim to. The problem is so few fragments of the religion they claim to support still exist, and they fill it in with like bullpoo Eastern philosophy.
“and i have nothing against jews, they don`t call demons either, they know the consequences.”
Wiccans don’t call demons. Only stupid high school students who have watched too much Buffy do that.
(hope thats proper grammar)
Where? How? Each uses their will to call forth a power to inact in their lives and the lives of those around them. Where`s the difference? The difference seems to me to be in who`s got the the real power in society to say the other one is evil and scary.
(real power . . . money. That’s some scarier crap then “Godess hear my plead, / Make me the weight I want to heed, / This size is to big for me, / A size (size you want to be) I want to be, /So Mote It Be” for damn sure.)
Yeah, sorry for jumping down you`re throat, but this is the year of our lord two-thousand and five. I`m seriously tired of the witch hunting and magical powers already. Its time we all started to try to work a spell over the actual huge problems in this world, and maybe had a little faith in our ability to make them better.
Only magic i need is good music.(Classic Rock)
I used to be like you, back when I was an idiot Christian. And then I saw these super magical rituals and stuff, and I realized that it`s the most ridiculous stuff imaginable. But hey, what are you getting mad at them for? How are you`re prayers any different from a "spell"? I know you believe it comes from you`re god. But what about a Jews prayer? Would you demonize that? Wiccans (that would be witches) are the among the peaceful kindest most beautiful people I have ever met. Just because they believe that burning leaves is going to call up some sprit that`s going to fix all the problems in their life doesn`t make them evil. Hell, you guys call up a sprit yourselves. Only your’s is supposed to be "Holy."
Or you could just play D&D.
I`ll leave the spells to Final Fantasy and such.
I try to have respect for pretty much every spiritual belief, but the Llewellyn spellbooks and such are such a travesty to metaphysical thought in general I really can`t help but scoff.
Another way to condition spirits is to use candles. I believe that if they burn high and thin, that means the spirit is good, but if the flame is short and stubby, the spirit is evil. I still highly do not recommend doing these things, as even a spell that is intended to have good things spawn from it, can very easily turn sour.
Plus, some of these are so wrong it`s not funny.
The fellow is nuts.