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I led the discussion for the "social issues" class at the UCC church where I`m a member. Many participants had very similar feelings (M&F 40+).
It`ll be interesting to see where the gay marriage thing goes in the months & years ahead.
Some of the comments from our discussion group centered on the whole idea of the media and their "aversion" to anything religous oriented. Realize that the UCC is only about 1.2MM members in the US, so CBS can "pi**-off" these potential customers and not worry too much.
As far as the basis for the "ad", I`m pretty confident that the UCC Faith will be looked positively by people from many walks of life, hopefully they`ll see what I saw as a former catholic...an open and accepting Christian Faith. My wife & I are raising our kids to be tolerant & non-judgemental, this is where the UCC comes from.
here`s my view for the two cents it`s worth:
the commercial should`ve airedgay marrage should be bannedgay unions should be granted the same rights as marriagesi know it`s a "word" issue, I believe marriage is religous, I think unions are political/legal. marriage is a legal union, gays should have the same right, just don`t call it marriage, that term is sacred to me meaning a man and a woman, but to each his/her own, all citizens of this country should be granted equal rights reguardless of sexual prefrence.
It`s not banned.
Kathaclysm.Your post about me, is what i hear almost everyday.From most people i meet:):(
You know i used to also believe that we shouldent be warry of out islamic neibors.But the more i learn from the quaran.The more i am warry of my islamic neihbour.Im not a perinoind nut just because im more alert around someone of that faith.
Oh yeah and my sarcasm thing,relates to the dean scream,just remove that comment from your memory if it botheres you.I judged deam on his glare,He would scare the crap out of me if i was a terrorist.Using a canadien as an example of the gloss loving u.s is not stratigicly tactful.
But your right about whats more importante.
respectfully yours - Skywisejf
My BBB (Bigest Beef with Bush)
Is that he totaly messed up what clinton was doing.I mean his way worked why mess with it.Clinton saw a crap load of growth in his years,and a crap load of monica(BAM!)
Ragdrazi,Are we talking about the same jesus here ?Not only did you say "Attempt" and "Faught" but your vesion sounds like ghandi.Jesus was/is an active force.Fighting would go against his teachings of neutrality.Again.Jesus was beyond anti-establishment,besides condeming those who said they represented god.
You are right thought.Jesus did improve the lives of those around him,and continues today ,By The fufiled promise of a ransom sacrifice.Why you say?Because it gives them hope that there will one day be
Ragdrazi,Are we talking about the same jesus here ?Not only did you say "Attempt" but your vesion sounds like ghandi.Jesus was/is an active force.And ,you were probaly using the word "faught" symbolicly,because he did not fight.That would go against his teachings of neutrality.You are right thought.Jesus did improve the lives of those around him and those underneath him today,By fufiling the promise of a ransom sacrifice.Again.Jesus was beyond anti-establishment,besides condeming those who said they repre
Just because they look at the heads on tv,saying ohhh bush is this bush is that.Dosent mean they accept it all.They can see what america needs."Oh bush is spending millions on this and that whyle helping his rich buddy`s,or under his admin we have lost 3 trillion jobs <-sarcasm.and the french dont like that we think differently then the rest of the world.The point is,this is the only man in this 2 party system that i think will stop (kill,eliminate)People who have no value for life and would kill me in an instant.Oh and you know what else.He says we have something in common,and that he will uphold the values of our founding fathers.Hes got my vote."Now take that and reverse allot of it,and you have kerry.
Ragdrazi,theres allot of left wing news too, you know,there not all G.O.P whipped.<-sarcasmInfact many people voted for bush beacause of the (as they call them) Left wing pricks.
True, there is large proof of voter suppresion.But not of tampering,this year.Wich was my point.The suppression we saw had minimal effect on the turn out.
Again,please note that im not a total bushiac<-sarcasm.I just think more people would be visiting i-am-bored.com if kerry was elected.At least with bush there isent as much b-s (flip-flopping) as with kerry.
Why would i look to forein news reports,for info on america,when i can look at american tv.See this is where the democrats underestimated the avera
If you had the knowledge he had.You would know that ,that type of government(The romans/Hebrews at the time)Would not last forever,there was no need to be anti-gov.But that is ,how it was perceived by jewish leaders back then,a destructioon of there control.”
It was more then that. Jesus fought to improve the lives of those around him. This meant he had to go directly head to head with the religious establishment. It wasn’t completely passive. Jesus attempted to be an active force for social change.
“With the amount of tampering needed,Someone would have noticed and reported it,this is not a communist country.Espescialy when theres no proof.”
See. . . this is a country where the proof of these things does not get play on the media. People notice and report them, but because our media is what it is, it gives them little air time. What you’re seeing with this commercial is exactly what happens with news stories. If you want to know what’s happening in America. . . more and more you have to read the foreign press.
“In conclusion,I know the mood of this forum is anti-bush, but i Do not care.”
That’s good. But maybe you should figure out more why it is that you are not anti-Bush before attempting to speak about it. Figuring out if people have a point in being anti-Bush, by looking at their evidence for instance, might be a good place to start.
How so? The US media often consciously goes out of its way to avoid stories, and in this case, even commercials that are critical of the president. This isn’t the first time this has happened at all. For instance, they’ve admitted to being duped by the White House into believing the justifications for this war without critically investigating the evidence. And yet the evidence that the claims were false was plentiful at the time.
“To suggest is okay,but to believe that there was vote tampering is stupid.”
Even though there is extensive proof that there were a great deal of voter tampering in Florida in 2000. Even though there was a large amount of evidence
I don’t know if I exactly agree with that. Hate and fear do breed opportunities to control, but at the same time hate and fear has to be carefully cultivated.
“i used to believie all this anti bush stuff.You know,how bush is gonna bring hell on earth and hes the worst-thing since country-music,but to tell you the truth,Hes the best choice from any of the dipsticks lately,”
Can you explain exactly what makes him the best choice? Is it because any of his actual policies? Or is it just a feeling?
Oh and someone said before that jesus was anti-establishment,I tell you,that he was beyond that.
If you had the knowledge he had.You would know that ,that type of government(The romans/Hebrews at the time)Would not last forever,there was no need to be anti-gov.But that is ,how it was perceived by jewish leaders back then,a destructioon of there control.
But to tell you the truth,Hes the best choice from any of the dipsticks lately,cept maybe howard dean."And where gonna take them all the way to washington dc,YEEEAAAHHHHHHHRRRRGGHHHHH !!!!!!"
If everyone believed all this relentless butt kissing(as you say)/and/or put downs of the president he would either not be in office right now or -would- be the best thing since country music.The U.S people voted for bush because they could see thru all the crap,and thats a releif,because if you believed allot of the media,youd think U.Sians were Apes.To suggest is okay,but to believe that there was vote tampering is stupid.Espescialy when theres no proof.With the amount of tampering needed,Someone would have noticed and reported it,this is not a communist country.
In conclusion,I know the mood of this forum is anti-bush, but i
I meant good for them as in,"Whatever floats your boat,dosent mean i agree with you." or "good for you"
not,"thats good -of- them"
You do have a point that,personal feelings and the business world dont often mix,but isent bush`s stand on marriage a personal belief,and isent he in the business of poli-ticks?
It shouldn`t be banned, imho.
It just shows how crazy this world is getting these days. Next they won`t allow restruant commercials, because the food isn`t wearing clothing.
Rofl, who knows what the imbeciles will do.
Then he would be the dumbest CEO in all the history of capitalism. You don’t let what you feel get in the way of the bottom line. . .
“2. Homos wanting to get married.”
Homos? Wait. . . what are homos? Homo. . . sapiens? Because that’s what we’re talking about here. Homosapiens. . .
He’s proposing an amendment to the constitution, therefore he has an anti-gay political agenda. I’m sorry, it’s just truth.
“Wether or not it will put into place must be decided by all 50 states. If gay marriage is banned or instituted it will have been the voice of AMERICA that spoke, not the president.”
First of all, for an amendment to be accepted into the constitution it needs only a ¾ths majority of states. As states have already moved to allow it, this will mean that they will be forced to repeal the rights they have given. Number 2, you yourself recognize how hypocritical it was of CBS to outlaw this ad, and yet, when you talk about the US outlawing the freedom marriage for an entire group of people, you go all hazy “AMERICA” on me. And yet the two things are utterly utterly connected.
Ok. “But if they felt it was because of that 1/100dreth of a second shot of those to gay looking guys, is enoughf to ban it ,good for them.”
“You know,i bet Mr.bush would never have noticed that ad,but now because it was band,i bet someone in his administration will bring it up.”
It’s hard to say. The FCC’s been acting progressively more militant lately, ever since the Janet Jackson teat offensive they’ve been going banning mad. “And hey Ragdrazi:I didn`t say it was right of them to not air the ad, I just said it was their perogative,”
Ok. We all knew it was their prerogative, because they went ahead and did it. So. . . then. . .yeah. . . What were you saying?
A possible Temporary solution for allot of crap thats happening is an international-once a year,pot smoking day or get laid day,so that everyone can just chill and ferget all the crap for a whyle.Lol
this may be a little off subject, but i was just watching the news (ABC-world news tonight- if anybody wants to look up the story)...and there was a story about how certain communities are `banning christmas` in public. the mayor of denver tried to have a sign reading "merry christmas" taken down til there was public outcry- because non-christians might be offended. also, at a school x-mas play (-i`ll admit i don`t remember where this was-) children singing were forced to replace the words of "we wish you a merry christmas!" with "we wish you a swingin` holiday!"
1. Church. 2. Homos wanting to get married.
I bet this discusion goes to page 4.
To:LittleBlack1,I concur to the part of your post dealing with the maturity on this site.
To:Yacks007,um,There are a whole lot of church commercials on tv,and i mean a crap load.Even my own religion has one out,wich i think is strange but ohwell.The "jews"(as you say) controll over allot of things,died with the jewish comedy era and seinfeld,in my opinion.
the jews don`t believe that Jesus was the real Messiah. the jews believe that the messiah has yet to come.
all in all the jews hate Jesus and that my friends is why the fcc will not allow network tv to show a Christian church advertisement
As to why it was banned, it`s just another example of the fact the press has to be careful not to piss off the government or else they risk losing backing, and such. After all, if you own a corporation that`s looking to advertise, would you want to put it on a channel that the government hates? Most wouldn`t for fear of themselves in turn recieving governmental cold shoulder...so much for freedom of press.
Someone mentioned seeing it on TV...I think some networks are allowing it, but they`re not basic networks, they`re cable, which the government seems to hate no matter what anyway, lol.
P.sYou know,i bet Mr.bush would never have noticed that ad,but now because it was band,i bet someone in his administration will bring it up.
Over here it is really politically correct... There was a story in the papers a while ago about this booklet thing that showed a little girl who was white on the front cover. But then the manufacturers had to kind of airbrush it so she was black... I don`t know why.
secondly- and this may be a little off subject...i have NEVER seen ANY religious ad on CBS- or for that, any other national broadcasting company- before. Is it a new thing for churches to have advertising on national TV, or was this for something local?
Littleblack1: And yet the hypocritical reasons they banned it have everything to do with the president’s anti-gay agenda, and the place our culture is at right now because of it.
Rich_in_VA: This church is openly accepting of homosexuals in its congregation, meaning that if a gay couple kisses between praise and worship songs, no one’s raising an eye brow. Now I don’t know about you, but I’ve never been inside a church were that was the case. This is a church that doesn’t preach that being gay is evil, and therefore does not exclude them as nearly every other church in the land does. Some do that physically, by kicking people out, some do it spiritually, by excluding the openly gay from fellowship, or even singling them out of the congregation for ridicule. This church is saying that it does neither.
George Bush making a change to the constitution to ban gay marrige would be drating unconstitutional! What about the equal rights for everyone ammendment? I think gay couples count as an everyone. Liberty and justice for all? I wish.
ok first.Estilo panama:For my own growing knoledge of the worlds religions,im wondering if your post,is the official standpoint of the mormons.
Second,shikikan,what you said about the merchants is true,but i dint feel like going into such detail.They were turned away either way.:D
third,diereinod, Nice naruto pic.
Rich in va, good point.
well thats it for me ,im off to look at some naruto epis now.:D
In reference to someone?, yeah I guess I couldn`t walk into church with my dad. Not only would it make us gay, it would be incest too. Man we`d go straight to hell on the spot.
Also, the president isn`t the only one who thinks gay marriage should be outlawed. Several states passed amendments defining marriage as only between a man and woman in the last election.
But it probably is getting more airtime on the internet now that it is banned.
Tip1633, that is such a funny comment, but so true!
Jesus dint turn people away ????
ummm oookkkk,whats with the table turning in the temple then.Im pretty sure those merchants in the temple were pretty turned away.oh well, im gonna cut this rant before it goes further :)
The explanation from CBS reads as follows:
"Because this commercial touches on the exclusion of gay couples and other minority groups by other individuals and organizations, and the fact the Executive Branch has recently proposed a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, this spot is unacceptable for broadcast on the [CBS and UPN] networks."
And yes, you’re right. Nothing in the ad actually portrays gay marriage. But there is the portrayal of two men walking up to the church door together. Oh god no! And, they’re banning it because something the president might do??? Is this America?
Yeah! There’s totally like this whole liberal media thing and stuff. Really there is. Don’t ask me for proof or anything.
In a related story:
. . . um. . . f*ck. . .
I don`t get all the controversy.