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    buddy Male 30-39
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    December 6, 2004 at 11:02 pm
    Link: United Church of Christ Ad - The commercial by United Church of Christ that was banned by the networks.

    I don`t get all the controversy.

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    Osprey39 Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2004 at 11:08 pm
    Why was it banned?
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2004 at 11:36 pm
    Get ready to be pissed off.

    The explanation from CBS reads as follows:

    "Because this commercial touches on the exclusion of gay couples and other minority groups by other individuals and organizations, and the fact the Executive Branch has recently proposed a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, this spot is unacceptable for broadcast on the networks."

    And yes, you’re right. Nothing in the ad actually portrays gay marriage. But there is the portrayal of two men walking up to the church door together. Oh god no! And, they’re banning it because something the president might do??? Is this America?

    Yeah! There’s totally like this whole liberal media thing and stuff. Really there is. Don’t ask me for proof or anything.

    In a related story:

    . . . um. . . f*ck. . .

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    hd42slt Female 18-29
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    December 6, 2004 at 11:41 pm
    Wow. That was banned? Amazing.
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    cahalla Female 18-29
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    December 6, 2004 at 11:52 pm
    wow im soooo shocked. i cant believe these are freaking band.
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    Malletman Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2004 at 11:58 pm
    That`s actually a well-done commercial... Most church commercials are just plain sh*tty. :-P
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    LolaGabanna Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 12:16 am
    Why should that have been banned? I mean, I read Ragdrazi`s post, and that is just ridiculous! I can`t stand the media in this country. They think its their job to parent their audience, rather than inform/entertain them.
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 12:48 am
    i don`t get it it was a well done pice just couse two guys are holding hands so drating what
    marriage as a union between a man and a woman bull poo if i`m in love with a guy and i want to marry him everyone that thinks its wrong can just blow me
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    tiggergal Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 1:36 am
    no way that should have been banned...i didn`t hear it cuz my speakers r screwy, but i still did not see a reason that commercial should have been banned...if anything it`s shinning light on things we all need to think more about.
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 2:09 am
    Very well done commercial.But if they felt it was because of that 1/100dreth of a second shot of those to gay looking guys, is enoughf to ban it ,good for them.

    Jesus dint turn people away ????

    ummm oookkkk,whats with the table turning in the temple then.Im pretty sure those merchants in the temple were pretty turned away.oh well, im gonna cut this rant before it goes further :)

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    SarahColleen Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 3:26 am
    i like it
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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 5:16 am
    marriage is one of those "to each his own" business. I dont understand why the president decided just because he thinks gay marriage is wrong, it should be outlawed and abolished. It`s not his business, not his place to decide that.

    Tip1633, that is such a funny comment, but so true!

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    someone? Male 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 7:20 am
    how the f*ck are we supposed to infer that those people are gay? so now two men can`t walk together in a commercial
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    SuperMcCgirl Female 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 8:33 am
    Ugh it should not have been banned.

    But it probably is getting more airtime on the internet now that it is banned.

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    Shikikan Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 9:31 am
    well I don`t agree at all with the banning, this was quite a well done commercial, but just to adress your comment skywisejf, the merchants in the temple were basically people who ripped of the common person by charging them for forgiveness, and basically had no real belief in God, but were there to make money. So basically he was just reasonably ticked off.
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    Diereinnod Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 10:23 am
    Wow I see absolutely nothing wrong with this AD. Stupid Media.
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    Cindy75 Female 30-39
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    December 7, 2004 at 10:35 am
    You have GOT to be kidding me!!! THAT was banned! That is probably the stupidest thing I have heard of. So, lets make a commercial about happy, white families with mommy, daddy, brother, and sister skipping down the street on their way to church. And remember kids, brother and sister were conceived AFTER mommy and daddy were married...for several years. How absolutely ridiculous! Censorship sucks balls.
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    Rich_in_VA Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2004 at 10:59 am
    I think the ad is based on a false premise. No church I have ever been associated with turned anyone away. I`ve never heard of it happening before either. I`m not saying it doesn`t happen, but I think this denomination is getting on a high horse for no good reason. To suggest it`s a common thing is just not true.

    Also, the president isn`t the only one who thinks gay marriage should be outlawed. Several states passed amendments defining marriage as only between a man and woman in the last election.

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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2004 at 11:13 am
    I saw it on TV last night. Apparently the ban has been lifted by some networks.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2004 at 11:18 am
    Also: Rich, yes some churches do turn people away. I haven`t been, but I`ve known it to happen.

    In reference to someone?, yeah I guess I couldn`t walk into church with my dad. Not only would it make us gay, it would be incest too. Man we`d go straight to hell on the spot.

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    amyjoy Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 11:20 am
    "No church I have ever been associated with turned anyone away." True, except one church did take away someones reverendship for coming out. The president should not be allowed to touch the constitution.Also, there are actual churches out there who support gay rights and do not want a constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage. As far as the commercial, I actually think its a good thing, as long as they practice what they preach.
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    Rich_in_VA Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2004 at 11:54 am
    I`d be interested to know what churches turned your friends away. What denominations and cities? To my understanding, that is a very un-Christian thing to do.
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 12:20 pm
    Wow allot of comments to adress here.

    ok first.Estilo panama:For my own growing knoledge of the worlds religions,im wondering if your post,is the official standpoint of the mormons.

    Second,shikikan,what you said about the merchants is true,but i dint feel like going into such detail.They were turned away either way.:D

    third,diereinod, Nice naruto pic.

    Rich in va, good point.

    well thats it for me ,im off to look at some naruto epis now.:D

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    dallegre Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 1:42 pm
    Arrgh! Jesus wasn`t condemning the people at the temple, he was condemning what they were doing. The new testament is full of examples of people doing thing that displease God, but Jesus is there so they can be forgiven for what they do. One doesn`t have to allow and agree with something in order to forgive it.
    It seems like people go brain dead when they try to interpret the bible. I don`t think there is any other document in the course of human history that has been taken out of context so many times by so many people and their agendas.
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 2:03 pm
    lol,so true so true
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    kedgar Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 2:06 pm
    They should go back in the closet... why is it that all of a sudden this is such a big deal? They never could get married before... why do they think that they should be able to marry now? I`m sick and tired of this big influx of gay people lately!
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    so1337 Female 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 2:13 pm
    THat`s drating ridiculous. It was a perfectly okay commercial.
    kathaclysm-Marrige is a religious act seeing as how they bring God into it. The government has no right to have that kind of a control over people.

    George Bush making a change to the constitution to ban gay marrige would be drating unconstitutional! What about the equal rights for everyone ammendment? I think gay couples count as an everyone.
    Liberty and justice for all? I wish.

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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 3:36 pm
    love is blind you pick not who you fall in love with
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 3:36 pm
    love is faith
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 3:38 pm
    think you EstiloPanama but it`s T J P 1633
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    LittleBlack1 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 3:56 pm
    I see a lot of people jumping on a "Bush hates gays" bandwagon here, and it`s kind of disturbing. The point of the matter is that it was hypocritical for CBS to ban this commercial for the reasons that they did.
    I am one of the few people posting here who feels that marriage is an act between a man and a woman, and a religious ceremony as well, even though it has certain leg/governmental ramifications.
    Perhaps I`m a bit of a hypocrite myself here, but when it comes to someone`s sexual preference I have to ask myself, "Why does it even matter? Why would I care?"
    If a man falls in love with another man, or a woman with a woman, WHO CARES? It isn`t indicative of anything other than that they are gay. Big deal.
    I may disagree with gay marriage, but I`m not so caught up in self-righteous, religious, disillusionment that I would condemn someone because of the lifestyle they choose to lead. Live and let live.
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 4:14 pm
    Skywizejf: So. . . Let me get this straight. How “gay” a person looks should be grounds for banning? You’re not only saying that we should have censorship of gays on TV, but that we should have censorship of “gay looking” people on TV?

    Rich_in_VA: This church is openly accepting of homosexuals in its congregation, meaning that if a gay couple kisses between praise and worship songs, no one’s raising an eye brow. Now I don’t know about you, but I’ve never been inside a church were that was the case. This is a church that doesn’t preach that being gay is evil, and therefore does not exclude them as nearly every other church in the land does. Some do that physically, by kicking people out, some do it spiritually, by excluding the openly gay from fellowship, or even singling them out of the congregation for ridicule. This church is saying that it does neither.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    December 7, 2004 at 4:18 pm
    Kathaclysm: Um. . . UPN pushes the envelope quite a bit with some of their racier shows. But, I mean, this ad was “squeaky clean.” Just because they have a “prerogative” to let the president dictate the terms of their censorship of ideas doesn’t in any way make it right. I mean, the government could even exclude black people if it wanted to. Oh and it did, until black people fought for that right. . . Just because the government has the “right” to discriminate, doesn’t make that right either. As for churches. . . well you’re right. If a church doesn’t like gay couples, they don’t have to let them in. If it doesn’t like Asians, it could just kick them out. If it doesn’t like people with brown hair and brown eyes. . . Um. . . well, yeah. . . that’s perfectly fine. As a private organization a church can be evil as it wants to be. Now if it wanted to do something right. . .
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 4:18 pm
    Kedgar: Hate to break it too you there, big guy, but gay marriage isn’t new. We weren’t the first culture to do this. But you wanted to know what’s happened. Why this issue keeps on popping up, making you feel all. . . icky inside. Well, see, our culture has just started to act like gay people are. . . get this. . . human beings who deserve the same rights human beings have. I know, this is all quite shocking for you people who still see them as this faceless cloud of utter evil. But human beings fall in love. And because they fall in love, they deserve the rights that entails.

    Littleblack1: And yet the hypocritical reasons they banned it have everything to do with the president’s anti-gay agenda, and the place our culture is at right now because of it.

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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 4:19 pm
    how did the p[resident get involved in this? it was CBS`s decision. not his.

    secondly- and this may be a little off subject...i have NEVER seen ANY religious ad on CBS- or for that, any other national broadcasting company- before. Is it a new thing for churches to have advertising on national TV, or was this for something local?

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    Piglet Female 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 4:25 pm
    Well, I suppose since it`s an ad for a church, and the church believes that "man shalt not lie with man" they thought it would be wrong to be conveying the message that it`s OK.... or something.

    Over here it is really politically correct... There was a story in the papers a while ago about this booklet thing that showed a little girl who was white on the front cover. But then the manufacturers had to kind of airbrush it so she was black... I don`t know why.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 4:42 pm
    It’s like this see. The only reason CBS is giving for banning this ad is that Bush wants to outlaw gay marriage. Now CBS doesn’t actually care about anything but staying in business, right? So they know if they give the appearance of opposing the President’s will, they`ll lose viewer ship. That`s the connection. It`s not the ad. The ad`s "squeaky clean." It wouldn’t loose them viewer ship for a second. It`s the President. And it’s the place this President has taken our country.
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    EStimpert Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 4:57 pm
    I feel stupid, I dont really get the point of it.
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 5:03 pm
    Ragdrazi, when did i say how a person looks is grounds for banning?.please quote me.
    Second.Im not,at this point, willing to discuss my beliefs about gay marriage.Its pointless,
    in the end some people dont mind gay people and/or there marriage,and most other people do.

    P.s
    You know,i bet Mr.bush would never have noticed that ad,but now because it was band,i bet someone in his administration will bring it up.

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    MidniteWalkr Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 5:27 pm
    One of the few church commercials I`ll actually bother giving thought to. If they pratice what they preach, that`s awesome.

    As to why it was banned, it`s just another example of the fact the press has to be careful not to piss off the government or else they risk losing backing, and such. After all, if you own a corporation that`s looking to advertise, would you want to put it on a channel that the government hates? Most wouldn`t for fear of themselves in turn recieving governmental cold shoulder...so much for freedom of press.

    Someone mentioned seeing it on TV...I think some networks are allowing it, but they`re not basic networks, they`re cable, which the government seems to hate no matter what anyway, lol.

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    LittleBlack1 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 6:31 pm
    I posted my opinions on this site probably three hours ago, and already there have been 20-some odd other people to do the same. I`m really impressed with the overall maturity and open-mindedness of the people who come here to state their political opinions. But anyway...
    In response to Ragrazi:
    I think that saying the president has an "anti-gay" agenda is a bit harsh. What almost every individual I speak to on this issue fails to understand is that the president could be the most homophobic man walking the face of the earth, and that will not matter one way or the other whether this country decides if gays should be allowed to marry.
    It`s called checks and balances. The president has *proposed* an amendment to the constitution. Wether or not it will put into place must be decided by all 50 states. If gay marriage is banned or instituted it will have been the voice of AMERICA that spoke, not the president.
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    Yacks007 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 6:34 pm
    not to sound like an anti-semitist but it`s not the government that gets a fit over this but it`s the jews at the fcc that have a problem with this.

    the jews don`t believe that Jesus was the real Messiah. the jews believe that the messiah has yet to come.

    all in all the jews hate Jesus and that my friends is why the fcc will not allow network tv to show a Christian church advertisement

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    itouchmyself Female 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 6:38 pm
    yeah, i definitely see no point in banning it, and i think that gay people should have the same rights as everyone else...i mean why not? i`d write more but it`s late and i`m tired so that`ll do for now.
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 6:49 pm
    LOL to the person who posted before me,i feel like you do sometimes :D.

    To:LittleBlack1,I concur to the part of your post dealing with the maturity on this site.

    To:Yacks007,um,There are a whole lot of church commercials on tv,and i mean a crap load.
    Even my own religion has one out,wich i think is strange but ohwell.
    The "jews"(as you say) controll over allot of things,died with the jewish comedy era and seinfeld,in my opinion.

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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 6:58 pm
    Im just gonna throw this out there,but
    what if all this has very little to do with the gay thing,and more to some cbs chairmans disgust at how the C.o.C (church of christ) put themselves on a (as Rich in va said.) high horse.
    And put down there personal religion somehow ?

    P.s

    I bet this discusion goes to page 4.

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    ShaggyR Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 7:22 pm
    I find it amazing that people get so worked up about 2 of the studpidest things in the world.

    1. Church.
    2. Homos wanting to get married.

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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 7:53 pm
    to skywise: i bet it goes to page 6

    this may be a little off subject, but i was just watching the news (ABC-world news tonight- if anybody wants to look up the story)...and there was a story about how certain communities are `banning christmas` in public. the mayor of denver tried to have a sign reading "merry christmas" taken down til there was public outcry- because non-christians might be offended. also, at a school x-mas play (-i`ll admit i don`t remember where this was-) children singing were forced to replace the words of "we wish you a merry christmas!" with "we wish you a swingin` holiday!"

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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 8:14 pm
    lol.no its on subject because what you just posted shows this Pc/Traditional pull that has either,gone on for a long time and i just noticed it myself,or something that has started to boil recently.I still dont have a logical explanation for all these stands for religous things in some places, and tear downs in other places.

    A possible Temporary solution for allot of crap thats happening is an international-once a year,pot smoking day or get laid day,so that everyone can just chill and ferget all the crap for a whyle.Lol

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    sweetpeas Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 8:17 pm
    In response to dallegre (and I`m sure this will get people`s panties in a wad), try the misinterpretations of the Qur`an used by various organizations that tell people that if they die killing the "enemy" (even if taking out innocent bystanders in the process) they will go to paradise, no questions asked. Not something that would be endorsed by any freethinking follower of the Pillars of Islam. I <i>will</i> give you that the Bible has been misinterpreted innumerable times (Take the crusades, for instance), but it isn`t even close to having the monopoly on misinterpretation, especially in the religion category.
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 8:31 pm
    Very intuitive sweetpeas,i never looked at it that way.
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    Nneri Female 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 9:37 pm
    I don`t know whether to be digusted or amused.
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    sweetpeas Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 9:52 pm
    Both, Nneri, both.
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    sweetpeachy1 Female 30-39
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    December 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm
    its not banned here it aired lastnight 12/07/04
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    fishfry916 Female 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 10:58 pm
    The thing that really confuses me is how the have no problem showing those Viagra ads, but everyone freaks out over this. I mean, in this ad things were implied. In the Viagra, the spokespeople are yelling at us about things we really don`t want to know, if you know what I mean.
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    pigster Female 13-17
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    December 7, 2004 at 11:14 pm
    Right... And why did they take that off? homosexual`s being rejected aye? Well if you actually watch the whole ad, it says that Jesus does not turn anyone down... So what r they getting at exactly? It was a very valid point to portray... It shows and encourages people to go to church as they will not be turned away and they will `unite` Grrrr... whenever it comes to the bible, every tiny little detail has to be observed. I think theat they so should put it back on tv!
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2004 at 11:29 pm
    that made very little sense
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    talleysgrrl Female 30-39
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    December 8, 2004 at 12:14 am
    Wow...I live in OK and this commercial was on the air for a while. I can`t believe they banned it....Wouldn`t Jesus accept everyone?
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    talleysgrrl Female 30-39
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    December 8, 2004 at 12:28 am
    There`s so many opinions on this subject...I jusy wanted to say that I agree with Kathaclysm...marriage is a legal contract and weddings are ceremonies. Hence the dread I had at my own wedding. My husband and I felt it was more for our families than for us...we sorta felt paraded around like those accordian monkeys... ;-/
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 12:32 am
    IF he accepted everyone Hitler or helter skelter guy, would be able to get in.
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    sweetpeas Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 2:39 pm
    Technically skywisejf, those people were capable of redemption in the eyes of God. However, as is usually the case in trully evil people, they are too arrogant to even assume a power higher than themselves, much less be remorseful about their transgressions. So while it is true that Jesus would not have turned them away had they turned to him, it is highly unlikely that they, or people like them would have turned to him in the first place. It also possible that God (we`re working in the Christian world here, don`t chew my head off) could have pulled an Old Testament on people like that and hardened their hearts against seeking redemption. (Not quite what God did to Ramses, but the essence is the same.)
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    EstiloPanama Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 3:56 pm
    oh well!o:-)
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 6:05 pm
    “Ragdrazi, when did i say how a person looks is grounds for banning?.please quote me.”

    Ok. “But if they felt it was because of that 1/100dreth of a second shot of those to gay looking guys, is enoughf to ban it ,good for them.”

    “You know,i bet Mr.bush would never have noticed that ad,but now because it was band,i bet someone in his administration will bring it up.”

    It’s hard to say. The FCC’s been acting progressively more militant lately, ever since the Janet Jackson teat offensive they’ve been going banning mad.

    “And hey Ragdrazi:
    I didn`t say it was right of them to not air the ad, I just said it was their perogative,”

    Ok. We all knew it was their prerogative, because they went ahead and did it. So. . . then. . .yeah. . . What were you saying?

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 6:08 pm
    “In response to Ragrazi:
    I think that saying the president has an "anti-gay" agenda is a bit harsh.”

    He’s proposing an amendment to the constitution, therefore he has an anti-gay political agenda. I’m sorry, it’s just truth.

    “Wether or not it will put into place must be decided by all 50 states. If gay marriage is banned or instituted it will have been the voice of AMERICA that spoke, not the president.”

    First of all, for an amendment to be accepted into the constitution it needs only a ¾ths majority of states. As states have already moved to allow it, this will mean that they will be forced to repeal the rights they have given. Number 2, you yourself recognize how hypocritical it was of CBS to outlaw this ad, and yet, when you talk about the US outlawing the freedom marriage for an entire group of people, you go all hazy “AMERICA” on me. And yet the two things are utterly utterly connected.

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 6:08 pm
    “what if all this has very little to do with the gay thing,and more to some cbs chairmans disgust at how the C.o.C (church of christ) put themselves on a (as Rich in va said.) high horse.
    And put down there personal religion somehow ?”

    Then he would be the dumbest CEO in all the history of capitalism. You don’t let what you feel get in the way of the bottom line. . .

    “2. Homos wanting to get married.”

    Homos? Wait. . . what are homos? Homo. . . sapiens? Because that’s what we’re talking about here. Homosapiens. . .

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    rubored Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 6:28 pm
    I do not see why this was banned. Yes, it had two guys holding hands. It only showed it for half of a second. It was just stating that Jesus didn`t turn anyone away, and that they wouldn`t either. I don`t think they meant any offense by it either, but the damn tv people have to find offense in every little thing shown on TV. I haven`t seen that commercial before now myself, and I still do not really see anything offensive about it.

    It shouldn`t be banned, imho.

    It just shows how crazy this world is getting these days. Next they won`t allow restruant commercials, because the food isn`t wearing clothing.

    Rofl, who knows what the imbeciles will do.

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    peppyprep Female 13-17
    476 posts
    December 8, 2004 at 6:51 pm
    i liked it, and it let every one in right? so why ban it?
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    sweetpeas Female 18-29
    52 posts
    December 8, 2004 at 7:51 pm
    rubored, I like it. They`ll call it the "Nude Food Act."
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    Ihave5asses Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2004 at 8:14 pm
    It was banned because the truth is more feared than lies.
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    endorphin Female 13-17
    1 post
    December 8, 2004 at 8:22 pm
    Okay I am gay. I don`t think this is offensive. Yeah to guys coming up to the bouncers. But then you see two women when they say they allow evryone in putting their arms over eachother.
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 8, 2004 at 9:06 pm
    Ragdrazi,my statement can be read 2 ways,the way you read it , or the way i meant it.

    I meant good for them as in,"Whatever floats your boat,dosent mean i agree with you." or "good for you"

    not,"thats good -of- them"

    You do have a point that,personal feelings and the business world dont often mix,but isent bush`s stand on marriage a personal belief,and isent he in the business of poli-ticks?

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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 1:46 am
    I don`t think you understand. A president is a product. It`s like. . . New George W. Bush! With faster shinier hatred of gays action! Vote for him today!
  72. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 1:14 pm
    i used to believie all this anti bush stuff.
    You know,how bush is gonna bring hell on earth and hes the worst-thing since country-music.

    But to tell you the truth,Hes the best choice from any of the dipsticks lately,cept maybe howard dean.
    "And where gonna take them all the way to washington dc,YEEEAAAHHHHHHHRRRRGGHHHHH !!!!!!"

    If everyone believed all this relentless butt kissing(as you say)/and/or put downs of the president he would either not be in office right now or -would- be the best thing since country music.The U.S people voted for bush because they could see thru all the crap,and thats a releif,because if you believed allot of the media,youd think U.Sians were Apes.
    To suggest is okay,but to believe that there was vote tampering is stupid.
    Espescialy when theres no proof.
    With the amount of tampering needed,Someone would have noticed and reported it,this is not a communist country.

    In conclusion,I know the mood of this forum is anti-bush, but i

  73. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 1:20 pm
    Do not care.

    Oh and someone said before that jesus was anti-establishment,I tell you,that he was beyond that.

    If you had the knowledge he had.You would know that ,that type of government(The romans/Hebrews at the time)Would not last forever,there was no need to be anti-gov.
    But that is ,how it was perceived by jewish leaders back then,a destructioon of there control.

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    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 4:10 pm
    Lol,i made page 2 and 3
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    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 4:35 pm
    "’As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart`s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.’ — H. L. Mencken”

    I don’t know if I exactly agree with that. Hate and fear do breed opportunities to control, but at the same time hate and fear has to be carefully cultivated.

    “i used to believie all this anti bush stuff.
    You know,how bush is gonna bring hell on earth and hes the worst-thing since country-music,
    but to tell you the truth,Hes the best choice from any of the dipsticks lately,”

    Can you explain exactly what makes him the best choice? Is it because any of his actual policies? Or is it just a feeling?

  76. Profile photo of Ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 4:36 pm
    “If everyone believed all this relentless butt kissing/and/or put downs of the president he would not be in office right now.The U.S people voted for bush because they could see thru all the crap,and thats a releif,because if you believed allot of the u.s media,youd think U.Sians were Apes.”

    How so? The US media often consciously goes out of its way to avoid stories, and in this case, even commercials that are critical of the president. This isn’t the first time this has happened at all. For instance, they’ve admitted to being duped by the White House into believing the justifications for this war without critically investigating the evidence. And yet the evidence that the claims were false was plentiful at the time.

    “To suggest is okay,but to believe that there was vote tampering is stupid.”

    Even though there is extensive proof that there were a great deal of voter tampering in Florida in 2000. Even though there was a large amount of evidence

  77. Profile photo of Ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 4:38 pm
    of voter suppression in 2004.

    “With the amount of tampering needed,Someone would have noticed and reported it,this is not a communist country.
    Espescialy when theres no proof.”

    See. . . this is a country where the proof of these things does not get play on the media. People notice and report them, but because our media is what it is, it gives them little air time. What you’re seeing with this commercial is exactly what happens with news stories. If you want to know what’s happening in America. . . more and more you have to read the foreign press.

    “In conclusion,I know the mood of this forum is anti-bush, but i
    Do not care.”

    That’s good. But maybe you should figure out more why it is that you are not anti-Bush before attempting to speak about it. Figuring out if people have a point in being anti-Bush, by looking at their evidence for instance, might be a good place to start.

  78. Profile photo of Ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi Male 18-29
    490 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 4:38 pm
    “Oh and someone said before that jesus was anti-establishment,I tell you,that he was beyond that.

    If you had the knowledge he had.You would know that ,that type of government(The romans/Hebrews at the time)Would not last forever,there was no need to be anti-gov.
    But that is ,how it was perceived by jewish leaders back then,a destructioon of there control.”

    It was more then that. Jesus fought to improve the lives of those around him. This meant he had to go directly head to head with the religious establishment. It wasn’t completely passive. Jesus attempted to be an active force for social change.

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    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 5:36 pm
    Wow,so many things to address.
    First off.Please note that i use allot of sarcasm in my post,even thought it dosent come of well over the net.
    Second,I re-posted my comment about the u.s media,to just read media instead of u.s media.
    But its not there for some reason.
    Why i said youd think u.sians were apes,is mostly because of the stupidity jon stuart shows.
    MAybe thats not the best source,but thats all i can d/l off the net cause i dont have cable.

    True, there is large proof of voter suppresion.
    But not of tampering,this year.Wich was my point.The suppression we saw had minimal effect on the turn out.

    Again,please note that im not a total bushiac
    <-sarcasm.
    I just think more people would be visiting i-am-bored.com if kerry was elected.At least with bush there isent as much b-s (flip-flopping) as with kerry.

    Why would i look to forein news reports,for info on america,when i can look at american tv.See this is where the democrats underestimated the avera

  80. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 5:51 pm
    ge person.

    Just because they look at the heads on tv,saying ohhh bush is this bush is that.
    Dosent mean they accept it all.
    They can see what america needs.
    "Oh bush is spending millions on this and that whyle helping his rich buddy`s,or under his admin we have lost 3 trillion jobs <-sarcasm.
    and the french dont like that we think differently then the rest of the world.
    The point is,this is the only man in this 2 party system that i think will stop (kill,eliminate)
    People who have no value for life and would kill me in an instant.Oh and you know what else.He says we have something in common,and that he will uphold the values of our founding fathers.Hes got my vote."
    Now take that and reverse allot of it,and you have kerry.

    Ragdrazi,theres allot of left wing news too, you know,there not all G.O.P whipped.<-sarcasm
    Infact many people voted for bush beacause of the (as they call them) Left wing pricks.

  81. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 6:20 pm
    Anyways his policies work.
    He says your With or against us.
    wich is exactly what the terrorist believe.
    This isent the idealistic u.n world.
    People are using religion as an excuse to kill again.An area the u.n can touch.Oh well


    My BBB (Bigest Beef with Bush)

    Is that he totaly messed up what clinton was doing.I mean his way worked why mess with it.
    Clinton saw a crap load of growth in his years,and a crap load of monica(BAM!)

    Ragdrazi,Are we talking about the same jesus here ?
    Not only did you say "Attempt" but your vesion sounds like ghandi.Jesus was/is an active force.
    And ,you were probaly using the word "faught" symbolicly,because he did not fight.
    That would go against his teachings of neutrality.
    You are right thought.Jesus did improve the lives of those around him and those underneath him today,By fufiling the promise of a ransom sacrifice.Again.Jesus was beyond anti-establishment,besides condeming those who said they repre

  82. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 6:30 pm
    Anyways his policies work.
    He says your With or against us.
    wich is exactly what the terrorist believe.
    This isent the idealistic u.n world.
    People are using religion as an excuse to kill again.An area the u.n can touch.Oh well

    My BBB (Bigest Beef with Bush)

    Is that he totaly messed up what clinton was doing.I mean his way worked why mess with it.
    Clinton saw a crap load of growth in his years,and a crap load of monica(BAM!)

    Ragdrazi,Are we talking about the same jesus here ?
    Not only did you say "Attempt" and "Faught" but your vesion sounds like ghandi.Jesus was/is an active force.
    Fighting would go against his teachings of neutrality.
    Again.Jesus was beyond anti-establishment,besides condeming those who said they represented god.

    You are right thought.Jesus did improve the lives of those around him,and continues today ,By The fufiled promise of a ransom sacrifice.
    Why you say?Because it gives them hope that there will one day be

  83. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 6:47 pm
    A government without all the crap we see today.

    Kathaclysm.Your post about me, is what i hear almost everyday.From most people i meet:):(

    You know i used to also believe that we shouldent be warry of out islamic neibors.But the more i learn from the quaran.The more i am warry of my islamic neihbour.Im not a perinoind nut just because im more alert around someone of that faith.

    Oh yeah and my sarcasm thing,relates to the dean scream,just remove that comment from your memory if it botheres you.I judged deam on his glare,He would scare the crap out of me if i was a terrorist.
    Using a canadien as an example of the gloss loving u.s is not stratigicly tactful.

    But your right about whats more importante.

    respectfully yours - Skywisejf

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    flovebunny Female 18-29
    406 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 9:57 pm
    as much as i believe that homosexuals should be entitled to legal unions with the exact same benefits as a heterosexual couple who is married, i have to take a stand with dubya and say that marriage is a union between a man and a woman. i`m not against homosexual unions at ALL though. they have every right to be recognized as much as a married couple does.
    however, the banning of this commercial pisses me off. so, it was banned because it`s something the president might do?! where the hell is our freedom of speech?
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
    3060 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 10:25 pm
    umm...guys....ok....i`d like to say something...please. i`m glad that your political beliefs are so strong, really...i disagree with most of your comments, but whatever....i`d just like to say that we left the subject of the film a good 2 pages ago. we are now on election politics. thank god the election is over- let`s not go back to it.
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
    3060 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 10:25 pm
    thanks.
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
    92 posts
    December 9, 2004 at 10:35 pm
    i didn`t vote that a55hole you call a president i vote for kerry and maybe if he was president we wouldn`t be in this Sh*t i know he wasn`t for gay to marry but i think he would have been a much better president!
    i am a bi AMRICAN and NOBODY is going to tell me how i can live my life but me and god and i fall in love with a man i should have that right to marry him if i want to. call me a fuge packer if you want to
  88. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
    440 posts
    December 10, 2004 at 1:46 am
    Thats an oximoron tjp1633.
    God does tell you, you shouldent fall in love with a man.
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 6:25 am
    you know what the fu*k i ment A55hole
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 6:27 am
    sky a little kid i shouldn`t of said that sorry |-(
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 9:25 am
    lol.
    yeah little kid.i mean,im still in diapers and all.
  92. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 9:25 am
    And no i dont know what you meant.
  93. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 11:10 am
    True,but i took for granted that tj was christian,so if he is,were talking about the same god.And i disagree that were off topic.Are political discussion has everything to do with this commercial.
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 6:34 pm
    i don`t beleave every thing in the bible it was worte and reworte by man;-)
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 6:35 pm
    it`s all about g-VS-e
    o:-) -VS- }-)
  96. Profile photo of skywisejf
    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2004 at 6:45 pm
    yeah but inspired by god.
  97. Profile photo of tjp1633
    tjp1633 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2004 at 6:40 pm
    they where inspired all right not saying it was all by god;-)
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    skywisejf Male 18-29
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    December 12, 2004 at 10:23 pm
    pfft.
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    tjp1633 Male 18-29
    92 posts
    December 14, 2004 at 1:50 pm
    ok even if it is a sin god said in the bible that if you beleave that jesus died for you sins your sins will beforgivin and you will go to heaven. well i beleave that
  100. Profile photo of someone?
    someone? Male 13-17
    1371 posts
    December 18, 2004 at 8:37 am
    I saw this commercial two days ago.

    It`s not banned.

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    olderwiser? Male 40-49
    4 posts
    January 15, 2005 at 11:47 pm
    This discussion lasted exactly 11 days!Some very interesting perspectives. Being that I`m a little older than most of you I like to say that at least there`s hope for the future. Keep the dialoge going! I teach an Adult Education class at a UCC Church and I`m pleased that most of you gave the concept of an "inclusive" religion at least a little thought...have an opinion is OK in life, having a "conviction" about something is even better!Take Care!
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    olderwiser? Male 40-49
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    January 15, 2005 at 11:51 pm
    hobyandy & skywise, I made it 5 lets see if you guys can coax it to 6 pages! Obviously I just found this site and I`m serious you all seem to have some good ideas, but is this all the mileage an issue like this can get...5 (er 4 pages and ME) I hope others join in the banter!
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    SillyRab8 Male 18-29
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    January 16, 2005 at 1:22 am
    well, in hopes that this will reach 6 I guess I`ll post....

    here`s my view for the two cents it`s worth:

    the commercial should`ve aired
    gay marrage should be banned
    gay unions should be granted the same rights as marriages
    i know it`s a "word" issue, I believe marriage is religous, I think unions are political/legal. marriage is a legal union, gays should have the same right, just don`t call it marriage, that term is sacred to me meaning a man and a woman, but to each his/her own, all citizens of this country should be granted equal rights reguardless of sexual prefrence.

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    olderwiser? Male 40-49
    4 posts
    January 16, 2005 at 8:18 pm
    SillyRab8...well thoughtout points! I agree 100% with what you`re saying.

    I led the discussion for the "social issues" class at the UCC church where I`m a member. Many participants had very similar feelings (M&F 40+).

    It`ll be interesting to see where the gay marriage thing goes in the months & years ahead.

    Some of the comments from our discussion group centered on the whole idea of the media and their "aversion" to anything religous oriented. Realize that the UCC is only about 1.2MM members in the US, so CBS can "pi**-off" these potential customers and not worry too much.

    As far as the basis for the "ad", I`m pretty confident that the UCC Faith will be looked positively by people from many walks of life, hopefully they`ll see what I saw as a former catholic...an open and accepting Christian Faith. My wife & I are raising our kids to be tolerant & non-judgemental, this is where the UCC comes from.

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    muggyloc Female 40-49
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    March 12, 2005 at 4:21 am
    I am a very open-minded person and i guess i always miss the gayness of people. We are all human beings created by God whom is a very forgiving power!We are all blessed to be his sons and daughters!
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    kmartkid Female 18-29
    45 posts
    October 12, 2005 at 2:03 am
    I have seen this before somewhere. Was it on tv? It makes no sense it was band. It never occured to me anyone in it was gay or anything. How dumb. I thought it was a good ad for a church to run. Very inclusive.
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    kmartkid Female 18-29
    45 posts
    October 12, 2005 at 2:08 am
    one more thing, "rich in va" said "I think the ad is based on a false premise. No church I have ever been associated with turned anyone away. I`ve never heard of it happening before either. I`m not saying it doesn`t happen, but I think this denomination is getting on a high horse for no good reason. To suggest it`s a common thing is just not true."
    While I doubt any church did what the ad showed, I think, no, I know (I am afterall in the Bible belt) some churches do turn people away in other ways. They impose certain morals on the congregation (for instance, homosexuals simply going to church, not trying to preach, just wanting to attend) and they do things like not talk to them, etc. till that person doesn`t return. So they turn them away in a more symbolic sense.
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    macjanette Female 13-17
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    June 22, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    my internets isn`t working or something
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    macjanette Female 13-17
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    June 22, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    ugh >:p
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    macjanette Female 13-17
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    June 22, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    kthnxbye

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